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EXCLUSIVE: NJ 9/11 SCANDAL WILL HEAT UP THURSDAY

Posted by Bruce Carroll at 8:29 pm - August 17, 2005.
Filed under: War On Terror

As you know, this blog has been closely following the growing scandal in New Jersey concerning the Democrat-controlled state government funnelling Homeland Security funds primarily to Democrat-controlled municipalities.

NJ Democrats Manipulated Post-9/11 Security – GayPatriot

Malkin Update on 9/11 Fund Scandal by NJ Democrats – GayPatriot

This evening, I can report exclusively that this scandal will result in impeachment proceedings against NJ State Attorney General Peter Harvey, perhaps as early as Thursday.

Sources in NJ tell GayPatriot that the AG will be accused of misappropriation of homeland security funds in a time of war. Recent news reports have revealed that Harvey’s office determined where the funding went.

Keep watching for more developments as NJ Democrats are revealed for the true anti-American partisans that they are.

-Bruce (GayPatriot) – gaypatriot2004@aol.com

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41 Comments

  1. Further proof that if you put a bag of shit in front of liberals, they’ll step in it.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — August 17, 2005 @ 9:00 pm - August 17, 2005

  2. Your trackback isn’t wokring or we’d have tracked back. But great work, and we’ve linked to your story.

    Comment by Mr. Snitch! — August 18, 2005 @ 5:05 am - August 18, 2005

  3. Not surprise by this Liberal practice, sounds much like Air America ripping-off $875,000 Gloria Boys and Girls Club in the Bronx.

    Comment by syn — August 18, 2005 @ 5:07 am - August 18, 2005

  4. Since I only moved here 1 1/2 years ago, I don’t know all the history so I’ll ask here: Has NJ always been this corrupt and this brazen? Why haven’t we heard more about it, if so? Is the media totally co-opted here? And why don’t voters make these pols answer for this?

    To me, it seems the slate of things the NJ Dems need to answer for is filling up fast. How can they win anything? Is the GOP just as bad?

    I left NYC to get away from institutionalized corruption only to find myself wallowing in the old-fashioned kind. And I’m beginning to regret it.

    Comment by spongeworthy — August 18, 2005 @ 5:26 am - August 18, 2005

  5. Wait…A New Jersey politician misdirected taxpayer money?! I can’t believe it. I simply WON’T believe it! Is there nothing sacred anymore?

    Comment by Tony S. — August 18, 2005 @ 5:55 am - August 18, 2005

  6. Spongeworthy, I lived in NJ for most of my life. Unfortunately, both political parties try hard to outdo the other party in being corrupt, while at the same time, hypocritically blame the other party for being corrupt.

    So now it appears that the Democrats (this time) are the cause of the corruption. But I have to wonder why the Republicans were asleep at the wheel here. This in no way excuses the Democrats, but it makes me wonder a couple of things. Why didn’t the Repbulicans follow up on the distribution of funds? Or worse yet, did the Republicans know this, and kept quiet, because they didn’t want their corruption uncovered?

    Comment by Pat — August 18, 2005 @ 6:05 am - August 18, 2005

  7. […] Let’s see how good Gay Patriot’s sources are. He reports: As you know, this blog has been closely following the growing scandal in New Jersey concerning the Democrat-controlled state government funnelling Homeland Security funds primarily to Democrat-controlled municipalities… […]

    Pingback by Daly Thoughts » News to Break in New Jersey? — August 18, 2005 @ 6:48 am - August 18, 2005

  8. Pat-

    My impression is that the Republicans were not keeping silent. It just took time for the story to become compelling —- remember that the Democratic governor resigned about a year ago. He was a ready-made scapegoat for anything like this (or perhaps not scapegoat — you have to be innocent for that…) and so the story didn’t heat up again until another year’s numbers (that couldn’t be blamed on McGreevey) were available.

    But way to blame the victim, there.

    Comment by Clint — August 18, 2005 @ 6:50 am - August 18, 2005

  9. Thank you for covering this story. Several of the NJ bloggers have been posting on this for a while, and it’s getting almost no attention.

    Comment by Fausta — August 18, 2005 @ 7:17 am - August 18, 2005

  10. From what I’m gathering around from other news sources, this is a story dead in the water. There’s a lot of implication and finger pointing, but not even the original news source quoted here on GayPatriot contained any particular compelling evidence of corruption – rather a lot spun numbers.

    I’m interested to see where this goes, if anywhere, but it’s definitely not like the Ohio Coingate scandal. Bob Taft is quickly fessing up to his transgressions on that one before it becomes a bigger scandal. The whole Republican party looks slimy in Ohio right now.

    Comment by Gay Cowboy Bob — August 18, 2005 @ 7:34 am - August 18, 2005

  11. Clint, the victim here are the residents of NJ. I don’t think I blamed them in my post above. If you’re implying that the victim here are the Republicans, give me a break. They have a responsibility to be accountable for these funds. If I’m not mistaken, one of GP’s links said these funds were distributed since 2002 and the numbers were similar then. What had to be more compelling with these statistics? If you don’t agree that Republicans should be accountable, fine? But, they are still not the victim here. Besides, the Republicans, as well as the Democrats, are no where near squeaky clean in NJ politics.

    Comment by Pat — August 18, 2005 @ 7:48 am - August 18, 2005

  12. Nothing in the NYT about it. Must be about democrats.

    Comment by Roger Rainey — August 18, 2005 @ 8:12 am - August 18, 2005

  13. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps areas controlled by Democrats such as Newark and other urban areas are more likely to be targets of terrorism?

    I also don’t suppose you think it’s scandalous that the Bush administration allocated a disproportionate amount of money to states that are at low risk for terrorism such as Wyoming in comparison, to say, New York.

    Comment by Laura — August 18, 2005 @ 8:18 am - August 18, 2005

  14. But of course that wouldn’t amount to the Bush administration and congressional Republicans being anti-American partisans, would it?

    Comment by Laura — August 18, 2005 @ 8:19 am - August 18, 2005

  15. I’d put it this way, Laura….GP has links, you don’t.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 18, 2005 @ 9:28 am - August 18, 2005

  16. Laura, that money comes from all of us in the US. The subject here is New Jersey, where Federal funds allocated for New Jersey were selectively dished out to preferred areas, it appears, based upon political cronyism and party loyalty.

    And your excuse doesn’t explain why Atlantic City got stiffed, does it?

    Comment by spongeworthy — August 18, 2005 @ 10:00 am - August 18, 2005

  17. Corruption in NJ is widespread, has been going on forever, and at times is downright brazen.

    NJpolitics is and has long been under the control of the Democratic party and, as one might expect, the Dems are the perpetrators and beneficiaries of a majority of the corruption that befits their majority status (and probably then some).

    But I have to second the point that Laura makes above. Without an analysis of how the money was spent and why it went where it did (the Homeland Security requirements), it is not immediately clear that the 90% (or whatever) that went to “democratically controlled” precincts is an indicator of corruption. The bulk of the public transportation facilities, ports, rail yards, highway interchanges, and other somewhat obvious targets are clearly located in “Dem” areas. There’s precious little “red country” in NJ and most is, by NJ standards, pretty “rural”.

    Comment by Knucklehead — August 18, 2005 @ 10:17 am - August 18, 2005

  18. Hey Sponge!

    Remember Bob Toricelli?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — August 18, 2005 @ 10:28 am - August 18, 2005

  19. Pat-

    The story is that the solidly Democratic state government politicized homeland security funding, sending money almost exclusively to districts which elect democratic legislators.

    Your response: “Why didn’t the Repbulicans follow up on the distribution of funds? Or worse yet, did the Republicans know this, and kept quiet, because they didn’t want their corruption uncovered?

    You now challenge me with: “If you don’t agree that Republicans should be accountable, fine?

    Whether or not you accept that the point of pork-barrel politics is primarily for the benefit of the legislators themselves, as opposed to for the benefit of their constituents (who is hurt is just the flip side of this) — that’s a side-track from the main point.

    You see a (potential) scandal in which not a single Republican was involved, and find a way to make it all about how corrupt those nasty Republicans are, and trying to hold Republicans accountable.

    That’s just partisanship.

    Comment by Clint — August 18, 2005 @ 10:55 am - August 18, 2005

  20. The government of New Jersey is an ongoing criminal enterprise. The Democrats have the Illegal Alien vote and the Dead vote all to themselves. The Republican Party collectively isn’t worth a glass of warm spit.
    LeChat

    Comment by Charles H. Browne — August 18, 2005 @ 12:37 pm - August 18, 2005

  21. “If you’re implying that the victim here are the Republicans, give me a break. They have a responsibility to be accountable for these funds.”

    Pat, I’ll go you one better: The Democrat administration and Democrat-controlled legislature have the *greater* responsibility to be accountable for these funds. Actually, they have ALL the responsibilty since the GOP doesn’t control the purse strings in NJ. Using your dubious logic, can we blame the Democrats in Congress for our troops being in Afghanistan and Iraq? And if so, why aren’t you doing it?

    BTW, spongeworthy (I love that name) cited Atlantic City getting stiffed, and rightly so, since it is easily the state’s number one tourist attraction. But guess what? Atlantic County has traditionally been among the most Republican counties in the state and that’s almost certainly why they got shafted. (For those who care, the truly big money in NJ is along the Jersey Shore which likely explains why the GOP is dominant all up and down the coast while the Democrats control the poor, urban areas in the north and central parts of the state. The suburbs and rural areas are about split.)

    Comment by glisteny — August 18, 2005 @ 1:19 pm - August 18, 2005

  22. Charles-

    The Republican Party collectively isn’t worth a glass of warm spit.

    Could you be more specific? I actually liked our last two (elected) Republican governors — Tom Kean and Christine Todd Whitman. Both were popular enough to serve two terms. The last Democrat to manage that in the Garden State left office in 1982.

    Comment by Clint — August 18, 2005 @ 1:59 pm - August 18, 2005

  23. Gay Cowboy Bob,

    How is a politician accepting free golf outings worse than using security money for party pet projects? *shrugs*
    Why am I surprised by your spin?

    Comment by J — August 18, 2005 @ 4:29 pm - August 18, 2005

  24. J-

    Good question.

    Comment by Clint — August 18, 2005 @ 5:59 pm - August 18, 2005

  25. Atlantic City got squat and has nuclear stuff in its jurisdiction. The Sandy Hook area got squat and they have munitions storage facilities. Both are governed by the GOP.

    This practice is so common in New Jersey that it’s called the “Christmas Tree Fund.” Happens all the time. It’s disgraceful.

    I was born and raised here and spent about 10 years in other states. Nothing better than being in a bar in Iowa and upon responding to a question about where I’m from, being told: “Ah, you have the Gay American Governor!” And to think people here will elect Corzine, who is just another cog in the machine. It would be midly amusing if they weren’t putting our state in toilet and making it a laughingstock.

    Comment by lyndi — August 18, 2005 @ 6:32 pm - August 18, 2005

  26. […] If you thought Able Danger was big, check out what could be the beginning of the end of democrat power in NJ – or at least should be the end. From Gay Patriot: This evening, I can report exclusively that this scandal will result in impeachment proceedings against NJ State Attorney General Peter Harvey, perhaps as early as Thursday. […]

    Pingback by The Strata-Sphere » Blog Archive » Democrats Stealing Homeland Security Money? — August 18, 2005 @ 7:12 pm - August 18, 2005

  27. Why am I surprised by your spin?

    I’m just surprised they’ve actually let most of my posts stand so far.

    So let me break this down for you –

    How is a politician accepting free golf outings…

    First of all, what he did is illegal. Second of all, he knew it was illegal or should have known it was illegal and if he didn’t know it was illegal I don’t think I’d want such a stupid governor for my state. Third of all the laws are in place for good reason. I may be rushing home for a very important reason, breaking the speed limit, and I should still be ticketed because my actions may cause harm to other – same logic applies here in a less immediate way. Fourthly, leave the golf to multiracial people and the lesbians, otherwise all they have left is tennis and that wears you out.

    …worse than using security money for party pet projects?

    First of all, the only particulars I’ve heard about this are the allegation by the initial newspaper report. I’ve looked all over the internet and all I’ve found about the distributed monies shows that each county got a pretty reasonably even amount of money. Lyndi points out areas like Atlantic City and Sandy Hook because of potential terrorism targets. As far as I know, the money was earmarked for first response teams. These areas may have already been properly funded, point is I don’t know the reason, neither do you and neither does the newspaper. Secondly, these were not “pet projects” like our recent energy spending bill. The monies were distributed for capital improvements, training and the like to first responders. I don’t consider ambulance and fire teams pet projects. Thirdly, I’m not set on my opinion here, but so far there’s really no evidence. We’ve not got a coingate here. The newspapers are not finding anything of legal substance, there have been no indictments and there’s no proof that the way the money was spent compromised comperable effectiveness in these “Republican controlled districts.” The newspapers have yet to even point out which districts are or were Republican at the time of the so-called corruption.

    So that’s my “spin.” Take it or leave it. I don’t care cause I got my own blog now, suckah!

    Comment by gaycowboybob — August 18, 2005 @ 7:16 pm - August 18, 2005

  28. P.S. Doesn’t look like New Jersey is spending much of its federal money anyway. Don’t you think it’s a better use of time advocating more immediate and purposeful use of federal money than pursuing conspiracy theories?

    Comment by gaycowboybob — August 18, 2005 @ 7:30 pm - August 18, 2005

  29. Wow! Nice work, GP. I can’t wait to read more.

    Comment by samcclintic — August 19, 2005 @ 4:16 am - August 19, 2005

  30. Yeah, nice work GP — you link to yourself, to the Atty Gen’s bio, and to Malkin — all to create the impression that there’s a buzz around this story and to once again label Democrats as “anti-American”. What you need, GP, is a real story with the buzz already built in. I can help…

    A Culture Of Corruption In (GOP) Ohio

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/national/19taft.html

    Comment by Reader — August 19, 2005 @ 5:44 am - August 19, 2005

  31. You can’t be serious GCB. For one thing, who gives a corn-studded shit about Ohio? We live in New Jersey and we have our own problems here, potentially ones we can fix, too.

    And given that what we have here are allegations, I still fail to see what’s so compelling about golf outings compared to the potential disaster it seems NJ’s Dems are courting if it turms out they stiffed an area that later gets whacked by terror-nutters.

    You guys just keep on playing party politics with this stuff, with your crap about golf outings in Ohio for crying out loud. You ought to be on the front lines here pushing for some accountability. If you really think Democrats have the answers to America’s problems and you want to see more of them elected, then tell us all how that’s going to work out when this stuff comes to light?

    If an AC casino gets hit and it turns out they could have prevented or even mitigated the damage with more money–and AC defines broke urban area–your boys wil be lucky if they don’t get lynched.

    Comment by spongeworthy — August 19, 2005 @ 6:26 am - August 19, 2005

  32. Well spongeworthy, I care because Ohio is my home state. And the Republicans in control there now are not the Republicans my parents or their parents knew. I’m embarassed by the current state political scene.

    And we all know the governor fessing up to these golf outings is only one point of a host of scandal that has been taken advantage of many high-ranking senior Republican officials. It shows a pattern of a culture of corruption in the Republican party there and Ohioans, unlike New Jersians, take that pretty seriously. Coingate lost $200 million from the Worker’s Compensation Fund alone and the fallout from “Republicans drunk with power” continues.

    We’ve seen no details about the allegations in New Jersey. It’s Apples and Oranges. Or in this case perhaps a rotten apple and ever continuing stench of the Jersey Shore.

    Comment by GayCowboyBob — August 19, 2005 @ 9:21 am - August 19, 2005

  33. Well, we agree it’s apples and oranges, anyway. Hey, keep up the good work. I’d pretty much quit even looking at Democratic candidates because they just aren’t serious about fighting terror. With guys like you firming up the base, your string of electoral sucesses has to continue. Right?

    Comment by spongeworthy — August 19, 2005 @ 10:03 am - August 19, 2005

  34. Don’t go there, GCB. As long as Ohio’s got Cleveland you’re in no position to dis Jersey or anyplace else for being foul.

    Comment by glisteny — August 19, 2005 @ 11:24 am - August 19, 2005

  35. That’s right spongeworthy. The GOP leadership must be quaking in their boots. In both 2000 and 2004, a Democrat almost got elected President. Not to mention all the Congressional races they almost won, before the most recent special election in Ohio where they almost won a Congressional seat, almost gaining back some of the clout they’ve been steadily almost not losing over the last several elections.

    Comment by Clint — August 19, 2005 @ 1:01 pm - August 19, 2005

  36. C’mon, Clint. Don’t be too hard on them. Nowadays, just coming close is a victory for the Democrats.

    Comment by glisteny — August 19, 2005 @ 1:49 pm - August 19, 2005

  37. Actually Cleveland has made an amazing turnaround as a city. Now host of the Rock-n-Roll Hall of fame, influx of new business, commitment to turning around the once prevalent polution problem… it’s becoming a really cool place. I thought it was really clevrl they’ve started a new music festival there called The Burning River Festival with all sorts of rock groups and the proceeds go to green charities. Ohio is a very cool state and I’m very proud to be an eigth generation Ohioan, one of Ohio’s first families and part of the settlers that came to the area before Ohio even became a state. One of my ancestors was one of the first representatives to the Ohio congress.

    But back to the political question, a Democrat almost winning is significant news in that particular district which is considered a bastion of the GOP. The people vote Republican by habit, seriously, as do most people in the state and this is one hopeful sign that Ohio may actually move into the 21st century one day. Today’s GOP is not my father’s or grandfather’s GOP. They wouldn’t vote for them if the had another choice that was conservative in a way that REALLY represented their ideas.

    Comment by gaycowboybob — August 20, 2005 @ 11:30 pm - August 20, 2005

  38. GCB, from your vantage point, what would you say has been the reaction of Ohioans to the news that (1) the Republican governor is, to put it mildly, “ethically challenged” and (2) to the Coingate scandal that swirls about the entire Republican Party there? Ohioans, in my impressions, are generally upstanding folks who are not used to corruption of this magnitude. Is that a correct impression? And does that play into reaction in any way?

    One other question: how in the world did a Democrat turn a 70% GOP district into virtually a toss-up district? That was truly shocking. How did the rest of Ohio react?

    Comment by Reader — August 21, 2005 @ 9:29 am - August 21, 2005

  39. WOW, I’m surprised to find myself agreeing–at least in part–with something GayCowboy Bob–has said. The eldest PatriotBrotherWest lives in Cleveland and every time we have gone downtown, I have found it to be a most pleasant experience. The city resembles little the Mistake-on-the-Lake image it had up until Voinovich became Mayor.

    As to the Democrat almost winning in the 2nd district, all I can say is given the incompetence of Governor Taft, I am amazed that Jean Schmidt won. I grew up in Cincinnati and know the district quite well. It is very Republican. But, Jean Schmidt was hurt by Taft whom even the younger PatriotBrothersWest (diehard Republicans) think has been a bust for the Buckeye State. Hackett ran against Taft–Schmidt had been a state legislator who largely supported his agenda. And he even broadcast commercials linking her to Taft’s tax increases, tax hikes which raised the hackles of the business community.

    One of the most Republican states in the union, North Dakota, sends three Democrats to Congress. Indeed, that great state hasn’t voted to send a Republican to Washington since 1980. The Democrats win there by running on local issues. Most North Dakotans don’t know how liberal their Senators are when they get to Washington.

    We saw the same sort of thing in the Ohio special. Given the baggage of a failed governor and a lackluster campaign and an energized opposition, it’s amazing Schmidt won at all.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — August 21, 2005 @ 2:47 pm - August 21, 2005

  40. …what would you say has been the reaction of Ohioans to the news that (1) the Republican governor is, to put it mildly, “ethically challenged”

    I think that Taft can very much expect to be a lame duck for the rest of his tenure until he will politely excuse himself from seeking state office again. In some ways an Ohio governor is a lame duck before even starting his tenure. Ohio is such a large state with equal influence spread among it’s largest urban areas it’s difficult to get much of anything done. It’s one of the few states with three, rather than two or a single, major centers of population. His particular actions will not be seen as overwhelmingly transgressing but he is too connected to the others at the head of coingate. He’s currently trying to divorce himself from Noe but it’s unlikely to turn out positive for either of them. Party officials in the state will continue to publicly support him but ultimately they’ve got a lot of damage control to cover. One official is one thing but this affected a multitude of people on the highest levels. Taft may have something in mind on the national scene but I don’t think you will see him back as governor. And he will have to be supported by other people than Ohioans if he does. This should give you some indication of how unpopular he is right now. All depends now on how much he knew about coingate and how much people actually believe the reporting of his golf outings were some clerical error. As one newspaper put it, “Why does an independently wealthy governor even accept free gifts in the first place? Isn’t politely refusing gifts the best defense for protecting one’s integrity as the highest elected official in the state?”

    The Democrats are playing their cards close to their chest. I think they will refrain from impeachment proceeding to leave him in a prominent place to remind the voters of the Republican offenses. But the people of Ohio would expect him to resign before they expect the Democrats to suggest impeachment.

    The clever one in Ohio politics is George Voinovich. By already divorcing himself of some of the federal GOP machinery right now, especially when public position is so unfavorable to the administration, he puts himself in an excellent position for ’08. I think you will also see a significant loss of influence by the Religious Right for overstepping their influence by then and this favors a more centrist Republican like Voinovich.

    (2) to the Coingate scandal that swirls about the entire Republican Party there?

    It’s interesting to see where this will go. I think most Ohioans cynically expect corruption at the federal level. They most certainly expect to see shenanigans between the Democrats and Republicans (there’s finger pointing at the smallest of issues) within the state and local level on insignificant things. But something I don’t think they ever expected was sitting state officials to somehow take advantage of the people of the state. Community is a big notion in Ohio. You may or may not feel inclined to help your neighbor but you certainly don’t take advantage of them otherwise. Ohioans are all for good-gotten gains, but ill-gotten gains are another thing altogether. And Ohioans tend to vote in dependable yet dull and occasionally stupid governors. Voinovich was an exception. Very slippery that one. Should make a savvy candidate.

    The coingate scandal has thrown politics in the state into an entirely new arena. There have been grumblings about the Republican party for some time now and it will be interesting to see if that pushes people more to the Democrats or to some reformed Republican party. But it will have consequences. It’s unlikely to be a forgive and forget type of situation but its up in the air what the exact fallout will be.

    Comment by gaycowboybob — August 22, 2005 @ 12:20 am - August 22, 2005

  41. Clint:

    The story is that the solidly Democratic state government politicized homeland security funding, sending money almost exclusively to districts which elect democratic legislators.

    Yes, I am aware what the story is about.

    Your response: “Why didn’t the Repbulicans follow up on the distribution of funds? Or worse yet, did the Republicans know this, and kept quiet, because they didn’t want their corruption uncovered?”

    And I still didn’t get an answer. If GP’s post was meant to be nonpartisan, I think that’s a pretty good question to ask. But so far I haven’t seen very little as to what the Republicans did over the last three years regarding this money, except for very recently. If GP’s post was meant to be partisan, that’s fine. It’s his (and GPW’s) blog.

    You now challenge me with: “If you don’t agree that Republicans should be accountable, fine?”

    Whether or not you accept that the point of pork-barrel politics is primarily for the benefit of the legislators themselves, as opposed to for the benefit of their constituents (who is hurt is just the flip side of this) — that’s a side-track from the main point.

    Um. That wasn’t meant as I challenge. I simply believe that all legislators, whether they belong to the majority or minority party should be interested where funds go, and make sure they are distributed properly. If you don’t agree, that’s fine. No biggie.

    Whether or not you accept that the point of pork-barrel politics is primarily for the benefit of the legislators themselves, as opposed to for the benefit of their constituents (who is hurt is just the flip side of this) — that’s a side-track from the main point.

    I know whom pork barrel politics benefit. I am not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that the Republicans were hurt, because they didn’t receive their share of pork?

    You see a (potential) scandal in which not a single Republican was involved, and find a way to make it all about how corrupt those nasty Republicans are, and trying to hold Republicans accountable.

    I think in my original post, I’ve made clear that both parties in NJ are corrupt. I didn’t think I needed to point out the obvious, especially since GP made the point that Democrats are bad for their involvement in this scandal, but perhaps I do. So here goes…I hold accountable any politician, of either party, for any corruption or illegal activity. I hold accountable the Democrats who are involved in this scandal. I still hold them accountable for their three years of graft, despite the fact that, in my opinion, the Republicans should have figured out at least two years ago what was going on. Fair enough?

    That’s just partisanship.

    If this story had happened, but it was the Republicans that were in control of NJ. My first post (#6) would have been the same, except with the words Republicans and Democrats switched. So I don’t believe I’m being partisan here. Hey, this is the Internet, and we don’t know each other, so you have no way of knowing whether I’m sincere or not. Just like I have no way of knowing for sure whether your are partisan with your comments.

    Corruption is rampant in NJ, and frankly both parties are responsible for this mess, and I hold both accountable, in general, for leading to this climate of corruption. That’s the point that I am making. Also, If uncovering this scandal puts a stop to the rampant corruption, then at least something positive will come from this horrific episode.

    Comment by Pat — August 22, 2005 @ 11:51 am - August 22, 2005

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