They are now inextricably linked together as radical nutcases masquerading as anti-war protestors but instead spouting similar deceitful, misleading, anti-American statements that will probably be used in an upcoming al-Qaeda recruiting video.
Funeral protests merciless – The Leaf Chronicle (Clarksville, TN) — (Hat Tip – Instapundit)
Small, pitiful groups of perverse traitors cloaked in a warped, hate-filled and degraded version of Christianity are tirelessly traveling across America, cruelly protesting at the funerals of American soldiers killed in Iraq.
They are scheduled to stop in Middle Tennessee today, in Smyrna and Ashland City, to dishonor the solemn services and add to the horror and grief of those who mourn Staff Sgt. Asbury F. Hawn of Lebanon and Spc. Gary Reese Jr. of Ashland City. The Army National Guardsmen served together in the 278th Regimental Combat Team and died in an enemy attack Aug. 13 in Iraq.Members of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., will be there, not to spread the comforting Gospel of Jesus Christ, but to spew a disgustingly vulgar and crude message of gay hatred while celebrating the death of U.S. soldiers.
This evil little congregation, led by Fred Phelps, gained infamy for showing up at the funerals of homosexuals to taunt family and friends and to promote their own unique brand of hatred. This summer they started picketing the funerals of soldiers killed in battle with placards that say, “We hate gays” and “Thank God for dead soldiers.”
Their Web site, www.godhatesgays.com, promotes the protests in crude press releases that say, “They turned America over to fags; they’re coming home in body bags.”
So let me connect the dots for you…. despite being a community specifically targeted by Islamic terrorists, the Gay Leftists oppose President Bush at every turn, they appear in anti-war protests organized by ANSWER (a communist-funded group), and now the sworn enemy of the gay community — Fred Phelps — sounds exactly like many of the rabid anti-war protestors who wave rainbow flags.
What do YOU make of this?
-Bruce (GayPatriot) – gaypatriot2004@aol.com
I’ve never understood why protesting at funerals is considered to be constitutionally protected.
Isn’t this a reasonable “time-place-manner” sort of restriction?
Isn’t this sort of thing precisely the reason why there’s an “extreme emotional disturbance” defense to assault charges?
Not surprised. Just as Sheehan’s potty mouth and dotty ideas alienated ordinary Americans, I’m hoping Phelps’ insanity will now become glaringly obvious as well and other Christians will become loathe to join in the God-hates-fags chorus.
Don’t forget, David Duke and the Stormfront Nazis also love Mother Moonbat.
Maybe the reason Mother Moonbat has attracted David Duke, Fred Phelps, and Al Sharpton is because beyond ideology, they’re all attention whores who can’t get enough of the TV cameras. I’m only a little surprised John McCain and Shuck Schumer haven’t shown up.
What do YOU make of this?
That you are simply and utterly nuts.
What Do Rev. Fred Phelps and Cindy Sheehan Have In Common?
Posted by GayPatriot
They are now inextricably linked together as radical nutcases masquerading as anti-war protestors
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Boy, your mind has to take an incredible leap of hate to link her with Phelps. She’s not mentioned in the article and it is your opinion that they are linked somehow.
Put it down and step away from the ashtray.
And Phelps has more in common with Pat Robertson, if you were going to compare apples with apples. Both are out of their minds fundamentalist Bible bangers who are profoundly anti gay and have strange xenophobic tendencies. Pat, Venesuelans and Phelps, Swedes. And both are absolutely certain that they KNOW the will of God.
So you can connect the dots, all y’all have to do is stay on the same page.
Wow, this is fun! Let’s see. . .Phelps hates gays and protests against their lifestyle and spews insane hatred. So do Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Randall Terry! Randall Terry was also the spokesperson for the Schindler family who protested against the withdrawing of their daughter’s feeding tube. Bush, DeLay, and Frist showed support for the Schindlers. The Schindlers lost a family member in a tragic circumstance in which they disagreed with the ethics of the government, just like Cindy Sheehan!!!
Oh my God, it is now clear! They are all a bunch of whacked-out crazies just like Phelps! This is a lot like that Kevin Bacon game!
For all you “The Daily Show” fans, the research has already been done:
Sheehan->Michael Moore->Bowling for Columbine->Mexico->Same language as Cuba’s Fidel Castro->assassination attempt on JFK which STARRED KEVIN BACON!!!
There’s another reason to detest Kevin Bacon- he and this Fred Phelps character are “inextricably linked together as radical nutcases”!
Thanks for doing the hard work, Bruce.
Lessee,
Cindy Sheehan thinks America is a “morally repugnant” country. I think Freddy’s down with that.
Freddy Phelps wants the terrorists to win in Iraq because it will validate his sense of American moral repugnance. Cindy Sheehan is not only rooting for the terrorists (whom she calls ‘freedom fighters’) her actions tacitly encouraging them to kill more soldiers.
Momma Moonbat thinks that the United States government is run by Israel. Freddy Phelps thinks the U.S. Government is run by Sodomites. Sodom was located in or near what is now Israel. So, they’ve got that going for them.
(Momma Moonbat also thinks Bush is a Nazi. I don’t know why the Jews put a Nazi in charge after they took over the country, but they are a very wily people.)
Momma Moonbat is a registered Democrat who voted for Gore. Freddy Phelps is a registered Democrat whom Al Gore once thanked for his endorsement.
Freddy Phelps exploits the deaths of soldiers in Iraq to denounce America and get attention for himself. Do I really need to parallel this one?
Also, both Sheehan and Phelps have been approached by shithouse rats and told, “Hey, you guys are making us look bad.”
Also, they are both insignificant specks of pond scum who are only having their 15 minutes of fame because their positions tie into the mainstream media’s desire to show protests, just like Vietnam.
Also, both Sheehan and Phelps have been approached by shithouse rats and told, “Hey, you guys are making us look bad.”
Comment by V the K
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V Thek,
You are possibly the only person I would believe who could quote shithouse rats. Be careful, lie down with rats , get up with rabies. But that may be redundant advise.
Do I really need to parallel this one?
No doubt about it, those are some hysterically insane quotes. I would, however, like to read the context of her comments before I completely judge her, though. I remember how Kerry’s “Global Test” quote was completely taken out of context, and this happens on both sides. Don’t forget that Randall Terry has been associated with some felon clinic bombers and has advocated for the death penalty for homosexuality. And Falwell DID blame America for 9-11, even going so far as to say that God gave America “probably what it deserved” because of Gays, the ACLU, Feminists, etc. Don’t forget that Sheehan is a grieving mother, not a public figure. And like the Schindler’s said some crazy stuff (she could improve with therapy and was responding to their faces, etc), Sheehan is apparently also crazy with grief.
Also, they are both insignificant specks of pond scum who are only having their 15 minutes of fame because their positions tie into the mainstream media’s desire to show protests, just like Vietnam.
Might also have something to do with most Americans now not feeling that the war was worth it and are coming to the realization of how much we’ve lost so far.
Wow! I just read her statements in context and it’s pretty crazy sh*t! Since the speech was obviously written in advance, it’s clear that she wasn’t just speaking passionately off-the-cuff but that she intended to say exactly what she said.
Still, let’s not forget that she’s grieving and very upset at our government for what, she feels, is an unjust and unnecessary war. And others who should know better, like Ann Coulter, have said even more outrageously seditious things.
Let’s put it this way, Bush Rulez……her organization has mothers writing letters blaming Bush for killing their sons who died in auto accidents. I don’t think they help these women through the grieving process; rather, I think they exploit their grief by giving them a convenient target to blame.
Besides, having the Left exploit motherhood is disgusting to the nth degree when they support the murder of over a million babies annually because of inconvenience.
Bruce, has traffic slowed that much??
Besides, having the Left exploit motherhood is disgusting to the nth degree when they support the murder of over a million babies annually because of inconvenience.
Isn’t that a totally separate issue, NDT? I could easily talk about the “Right” being disgusting for exploiting children when so many children live without health care in our society, or have easy access to guns, or are victims of divorce (divorce rates are higher in the “red states”), or are exposed to mercury and other toxins in utero because of poor environmental regulations, etc, etc. The fact is that those on the left respect motherhood and family as much as those on the right.
Thanks for shining the light on this topic. This little church of fools in Kansas is living proof that interbreeding takes a dreadful toll. I linked to Phelp’s site and tried to check out their message board. In order to do so, you must register (which is not uncommon) but they link to a service that is offering two free pills of Lunesta (a sleeping pill) for registering. Maybe they know you have to be sedated to either post or read in their world.
You know, I really thought this was hyperbole when I posted it.
Sorry Bruce, you’re wrong on this one. Just because a wacko espouses some idea doesn’t necessarily mean the idea is wrong. While I’m not part of the anti-war crowd, the fact that there are nuts (and communists) in it is not proof that their point is garbage (there are plenty of real reasons).
As for the rainbow flags at anti-war protests, I’ve never really understood that. As has been pointed out a zillion times, one would think that gayness, without any other context, would incline one to be pro-war – stopping all that stoning of homosexuals and such. At best, it’s a non-sequiter; like men waving rainbow flags at an pro or con abortion rally. One can be a gay man and have an opinion, even a firmly held belief, about abortion but what does one thing have to do with the other? Leave the rainbow flags at home unless you’re rallying for something directly gay-related.
The fact is that those on the left respect motherhood and family as much as those on the right.
That may be the single funniest thing anyone has ever said on this forum.
I’d have to agree with Mr. Sizer (Mrs. Izer?) on this one…
While I agree that both are wrong — and we all agree that one of them is completely insane — the fact that they take the same position on this doesn’t address the question of whether Cindy is wrong or crazy.
It’s her own statements that do that. And there are plenty of them.
If I’m going to keep slamming the NYT for trying to use “guilt by association” to tar Judge Roberts with the whole Federalist Society thing… (as though there’s something wrong with the Federalist Society!!!)… I’ve got to call it the same way here.
It’s not that your conclusion is wrong, this just isn’t a valid argument for it.
Isn’t that a totally separate issue, NDT? I could easily talk about the “Right” being disgusting for exploiting children when so many children live without health care in our society, or have easy access to guns, or are victims of divorce (divorce rates are higher in the “red states”), or are exposed to mercury and other toxins in utero because of poor environmental regulations, etc, etc.
Check the word in emphasis, Bush Rulez.
Just because the world into which they are born may not be perfect does not mean that they should be killed.
That may be the single funniest thing anyone has ever said on this forum.
Even funnier than when the Right claims to support civil rights, personal liberty, and the environment? Or maybe you just mean that those ludicrous claims were never made on this forum.
Just because the world into which they are born may not be perfect does not mean that they should be killed.
And just because they are in utero doesn’t mean that we should subject them to environmental toxins known to cause birth defects, miscarriages, and autism.
And just because they are no longer in utero doesn’t mean that we should stop caring about them. I wish those who talk so much about the “right to life” would care half as much about those who are already living in our society as they do about the unborn.
If every “pro-lifer” would host a needy foster child or adopt, I would have an easier time believing that their concern is more than misplaced religious zealotry.
That may be the single funniest thing anyone has ever said on this forum.
You know what else is funny? The fact that the red states have the highest divorce rates in the country. You know what else is hilarious? At Timken High School in Canton, OH, ONE IN SEVEN high school girls are pregnant! Is this partially due to their “abstinence-only sex ed”? The school board is currently reviewing the program and considering bringing back “traditional” sex ed! You know. . . where they actually talk about BIRTH CONTROL!
I’ve got a million laughs for you, if you need more to smile about.
V the K, I may have judged you too harshly. Being liberal, I might not know too much about family values even though I’ve been with my lovely wife for 17 years now. We’ve never had any infidelities, nor have either of us been divorced previously. We are raising four beautiful children together.
So, how about you? How long have you been with your monogamous life partner and how many children are you raising together?
Some in your party, however, are like Rush Limbaugh, who has been divorced THREE TIMES, is a serious DRUG ABUSER and talks a lot about family values even though HE”S NEVER HAD A CHILD HIMSELF! Or, what about Ann Coulter, or Randall Terry, or Ronald Reagan (divorced the mother of his two children), or Bill O’Reilly, or Bill Bennett, etc, etc.
While it is tempting to respond to Bush Rulez’s wild statements about what “the Right” believes and so forth, I shall stick to facts.
Such as those related to Timken High School.
Liberals like to scream bloody murder that “one in seven students” is pregnant and to use that as a condemnation of so-called “red” family values.
However, there is a point in the article I cited that is elegant in its simplicity and power of destruction to said liberal screaming fits.
According to the Canton Health Department, statistics through July show that 104 of the 586 babies born to Canton residents in Aultman Hospital and Mercy Medical Center had mothers between 11 and 19.
WEWS discovered that the non-Canton rate was 7 percent. Canton was 15 percent.
Cleveland’s rate is 20 percent.
Now, if Bush Rulez! would like to explain how a city, county, and school district lock, stock, and barrel-controlled by Democrats that presumably teaches more about birth control than the “red” areas he disdains, please do.
Cleveland’s rate is 20 percent.
Please cite your source, NDT.
Here are mine:
http://www.cantonrep.com/archive/index.php?Category=26&ID=238434&r=0
http://jfs.ohio.gov/owf/prc/prcdr_vol06.pdf
bottom of page 12:
“Canton City Schools COC Program – Abstinence Education This program is directed towards students at Timken High School in Canton, with the intent of reaching 75% of the student population.”
Please don’t just pull a stat of the air or off of some right-wing “news” site. I need to see statistics to be convinced. . . you know, actual scientific or social studies.
Oh, and BTW:
http://www.divorcereform.org/94staterates.html
in 1994, the Massachusetts divorce rate was 2.4%- The lowest in the country.
In Texas it was 5.4% More than double Massachusetts and #36 nationwide
Interesting. So why again is it laughable that liberals care every bit as much about “family values” as the conservatives?
If divorce rates are lower in the blue states, isn’t it possible it’s because shacking up without marriage is just a lot more common, and people are just less likely to get married in the first place?
Also, it probably doesn’t fit into BR’s “Spin every factoid into a bash against Bush voters” modus operandi but married couples, especially married women, are far more likely to vote Republican than unmarried people.
V the K: Why don’t you answers my questions? And, remember that I wasn’t the one who bashed on “family values”- you thought it funny that I stated liberals were just as supportive of motherhood and the family and I then offered stats to back up my “funny” statements.
Now what proof can you offer for your speculation and preconceptions about “liberals”? Or is it just that you swallow all the right-wing propaganda you’re fed?
Here’s more stats for you, V the K:
http://www.silentwitness.net/states/us_map.htm
Looks like the domestic homicide rate in Massachussetts is 2.36 per million
In Texas, it’s 4.70.
Also, notice where the ‘red belt’ indicating the highest domestic violence rates lies these are FBI statistics.
Remember, this would include cohabitating couples AND married couples.
No wonder Conservatives don’t like science- the facts aren’t too kind to them.
Oh, and again how long have you been with your monogamous life partner and how many children are you raising together?
I bet if you take out homicides committed by illegal immigrants (a much larger problem in Texas than in Massachussetts), the rate even out. But if there’s any point to arguing with someone who seems to be implying that Bush voters are murderers… and who has an unseemly obsession with my personal life.
Oh, and again how long have you been with your monogamous life partner and how many children are you raising together?
Frankly, it’s none of your business… and you don’t come across as the kind of person one would feel safe sharing personal information with.
From Hannity & Colmes:
From “Hannity and Colmes,” August 25, 2005:
COLMES:…And I want to ask you about something, Ann, that you wrote in your most recent column. You had a very funny line, actually, that it is hard to find a parking spot in New York City. There’s no question about it. You’ve had a pretty good day if you can do that.
But then you said, “It’s far preferable to fight them on the streets of Baghdad than in the streets of New York, where the residents would immediately surrender.” Now, some New Yorkers…
HENICAN: Ooh…
COLMES: … felt that you were calling them cowards by making that statement.
COULTER: No, I think I was calling them supporters of Cindy Sheehan.
COLMES: Is that what that is? You certainly don’t feel that New Yorkers are cowards?
COULTER: I think they would immediately surrender.
COLMES: So you do?
COULTER: I don’t — I don’t think — I think I’d rather have them trying to invade Mississippi or Georgia, Alabama, you know, the states where I want Cindy Sheehan’s bus tour to go.
Suffice to say, there are “bad apples” on both sides. If you want to lump everyone on the left together, then we’ll just start lumping everyone on the right with ANN COULTER.
Britton-
At least make an effort. Is Ann Coulter really the worst figure you could find on the American right?? Was that even the worst Ann Coulter quote you could find??
She also said: “[Since 9/11] I am often asked if I still think we should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity. The answer is: Now more than ever!”
And something to the effect that Canada should be grateful that we allow them to exist on the same continent.
Surely these are worse than her lame attempt to insult New Yorkers.
But she’s in the infotainment business, so it’s really her job to say outrageous things that make people pay attention to her.
An actual Republican elected official, Congressman Tom Tancredo recently suggested that we threaten to nuke Mecca.
This is to say nothing of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson suggesting that gay people were to blame for 9/11, or David Duke suggesting the Israelis did it.
But if there’s any point to arguing with someone who seems to be implying that Bush voters are murderers… and who has an unseemly obsession with my personal life.
Did I say or imply anything of the sort? You scoffed at me saying that liberals supported families and motherhood as much as conservatives. I then provided statistics to back up my statement. You’ve offered no proof for your opinions, however. You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts and the facts are on my side. I could go on (child abuse rates, etc), but you obviously will not be persuaded by facts. BTW, look at the other states which don’t have as many imigrants as well- you’ll see a definite pattern.
As for your personal life- I could give a crap, but I’m not going to be lectured to about “family values” by someone who has less personal experience in that regard than I do. Your unwillingness to answer the question speaks volumes.
Maybe before you attempt to debate, you should do a little research to make sure you can back up your arguments.
Surely these are worse than her lame attempt to insult New Yorkers.
Don’t forget:
“My only regret (with McVeigh) is that he didn’t park in front of the New York Times”
and
“The only question now is whether he (Clinton) should be impeached or assassinated.”
Imagine if a liberal said these things about Bush or FauxNews! She is truly despicable.
Your unwillingness to answer the question speaks volumes.
Mainly about my common sense in not giving out personal information to trolls.
One other thing, V the K. I remember when Sen. Man-on-Dog Santorum speculated that Boston was the center of the Priest Abuse scandal because of rampant liberalism in the city. Are you suggesting that he was accusing all liberals of being priests who abuse boys?
Turns out, though, he also had no facts upon which to base his opinion either. He sort of retracted his statement once it was clear that the scandal was more widespread than he initially thought.
So far, I’m the only one who has cited facts to support his argument. Doesn’t anybody who is conservative here know how to do research? Is that part of what makes us the “liberal elite”?
Mainly about my common sense in not giving out personal information to trolls.
Now I’m a troll? Namecalling won’t win you any arguments. Moreover, WTF are you afraid of? I think you are afraid of being revealed as a hypocrite.
There’s more to research than trolling left-wing democrat sites for talking points to spew.
There’s more to research than trolling left-wing democrat sites for talking points to spew.
Whoa! If you think that the FBI, the state reporting agencies, the Timken School District, and the local Ohio paper are “left-wing democrat sites” you are either very paranoid or incredibly stupid! Wait, those aren’t mutually exclusive, you could actually be both.
Not so stupid that I can’t recognize the same talking points I’ve seen a half dozen or more times already spewed by various lefties on variours blogs.
Not so stupid that I confuse correlation with causation… a common attribute among people who have a poor understanding of statistics.
But stupid enough to waste time arguing with someone unable to see beyond his blind hatred and bigotry toward people who see things differently than he, perhaps so.
Can’t anybody here support their belief that conservatives care more about “family values” than liberals? Another stat: the child abuse rate in Texas is 3 times that of Massachussetts. If you want, I will gladly provide the links to government agencies to prove it.
Not so stupid that I confuse correlation with causation… a common attribute among people who have a poor understanding of statistics.
Okay, one last post for the eternally stupid. I said nothing at all about causation. Obviously it’s enough to know that a conservative culture correlates with higher divorce rates, higher child abuse rates, and higher rates of domestic assault to disprove the claims of “family values” touted by the right.
As to whether conservatism causes these things or whether such individuals are merely more likely to be conservatives, I’ll leave that to the researchers to sort out.
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But stupid enough to waste time arguing with someone unable to see beyond his blind hatred and bigotry toward people who see things differently than he, perhaps so.
Hate and bigotry? I’m just stating facts. I could easily say that Muslim extremists correlate with jihadists. This doesn’t make me a bigot, nor does it mean I believe Islam causes terrorism. It just means that I can face the facts even if it’s not “PC” to say so.
Whites listen to more country music, blacks listen to more hip-hop. Native Americans and Irish have the highest rates of alcoholism. Blacks have a higher incidence of strokes. Irish and Italians are likely to be Catholic. Blacks are more likely to be Democrats.
I guess I’m a bigot and believe that hip-hop causes people to be black, after all.
Oh, and I wasn’t the one who claimed (without supporting evidence) that immigrants were pushing up the domestic homicide rates in Texas. That sounds sort of bigoted.
Maybe being black cause you to listen to hip-hop? I doubt it. If you are black, you are more likely to enjoy hip-hop? Certainly.
Just like if you live in a predominantly conservative state you’re more likely to be divorced, have domestic abuse, or child abuse in your community.
BS RULEZ (are you the same as BUSH RULEZ, or was that meant to be a spoof?)
Re: [Coulter quote]“The only question now is whether he (Clinton) should be impeached or assassinated.”
Imagine if a liberal said these things about Bush or FauxNews! She is truly despicable.
Actually… Randi Rhodes of Air America has proposed the assassination of the President twice, at least, and stated that Secretary Rumsfeld “ought to be tortured.”
Over-the-top inappropriate rhetoric has found a home on both sides of the aisle.
Please cite your source, NDT.
If you look at my post, it should be obvious that I did link to my source. I’ll give you a hint — if you click “Timken High School” in it, which strangely enough happens to be underlined and appears in a different color than all other text in the message, it will magically direct you to the correct page.
Frankly, I can understand why you would miss that link so easily — it would put an immediate stop to your gloating over a one-in-seven rate to find out that an area ruled by Democrats, presumably in which students are taught that birth control means they can have all the sex they want, has a one-in-five teen pregnancy rate.
If you look at my post, it should be obvious that I did link to my source. I’ll give you a hint — if you click “Timken High School” in it, which strangely enough happens to be underlined and appears in a different color than all other text in the message, it will magically direct you to the correct page.
I got the link, NDT, but the statistic is not sourced in the article. It wouldn’t be the first case of shoddy reporting if they got the number wrong, so I would like the link to the agency’s raw statistics from which they derive this number. Furthermore, it would be great if you could prove that a high school which teaches traditional sex ed has a higher rate of teen pregnancies than Timken.
FWIW, I searched for quite some time looking for the teen pregnancy rate in Cleveland. None of the numbers from Ohio’s Dept of Health showed in to be anywhere near 20%, though. I think “Channel 5” got it wrong, but prove them correct if you can.
NDT, one example of how the media can get it wrong. “News” anchor Brit Hume write:
California Roughly Same Size As Iraq
Two hundred and seventy seven U.S. soldiers have now died in Iraq, which means that, statistically speaking, U.S. soldiers have less of a chance of dying from all causes in Iraq than citizens have of being murdered in California…which is roughly the same geographical size. The most recent statistics indicate California has more than 2,300 homicides each year, which means about 6.6 murders each day. Meanwhile, U.S. troops have been in Iraq for 160 days, which means they are incurring about 1.7, including illness and accidents, each day.
What’s wrong with this? There are about 130,000 soldiers in Iraq, wheras there are 33,871,648 residents of California.
Oops!
Oh, in case you’re curious. The death rate over a year for a US soldier in Iraq is about 1 in 130, wheras the homicide rate in California is 1 in 14.7 (using Hume’s own statistics).
I meant 1 in 14726.8 for California; 1 in 130 for a US soldier. Boy, if I didn’t correct that, I could probably get a job at FauxNews!
FWIW, I searched for quite some time looking for the teen pregnancy rate in Cleveland. None of the numbers from Ohio’s Dept of Health showed in to be anywhere near 20%, though. I think “Channel 5? got it wrong, but prove them correct if you can.
Post them, then. Show us the statistics that prove them wrong.
Here’s something to note in the meantime…… from 1999.
Every year, approximately one million American adolescent women become pregnant, a startling incidence of four in ten girls.1 Twenty-eight thousand of these pregnancies in 1990 occurred in girls younger than 15 years of age.11 Over 500,000 live births result annually. From the mid 1970s to the mid 1990s, the teen pregnancy rate has been twice the teen birth rate.8
Estimates varying from two-thirds to 95 percent 5,10,12,13 have been made for the unplanned nature of these pregnancies. The majority of unplanned pregnancies occur within six months of first intercourse.1,7 Up to 50 percent of all teenage pregnancies end in induced abortion, miscarriage or still birth.7,14 Teen women in the United States are twice as likely to seek abortion as those in other industrialized nations, with teens accounting for the majority of later term abortions.1
Complicating the issue is the fact that the average age of menarche has dropped since 1900 from age 14 to the current age of 12.5 years. The age of first sexual intercourse has also declined from age 16 to between ages 14-15.1
Now, this was before the Bush administration had ever taken office and “abstinence-only” had become the rule. With the Left running its sex-promotion courses under the guise of “education” and teaching kids all about contraceptives, four out of ten — or one of every 2.5 teenage girls — became pregnant annually .
Remember that the next time the Left starts their caterwauling about how abstinence-only education “doesn’t work” because “one of every seven students was pregnant”.
Post them, then. Show us the statistics that prove them wrong.
It’s not up to me. I’m the only one who’s provided any objective evidence for my arguments. If one can cite one unreferenced statistic from one web site as “proof” of anything, I can prove just about anything (as in: why don’t the oil companies want us to use plentiful “cold fussion”). C’mon, I’m still waiting for ONE piece of objective evidence that liberals don’t have “family values”. I know I’m in the minority, but I believe a long-term gay couple who is monogamous, raises children to be responsible citizens, and doesn’t abuse either their children OR each other is demonstrating “family values” just as much as a straight married couple. Sexual orientation and political party affilation have nothing to do with it.
Look, one can believe that conservatives have “family values”, but there is no proof that liberals don’t as well. I think “family values” for the conservatives currently is code for “anti-gay marriage” and “anti-abortion”. This, of course, implies that long-term gay relationships can’t have “family values” and that it’s only important to care for children in utero NOT after they are born.
Now, this was before the Bush administration had ever taken office and “abstinence-only” had become the rule. With the Left running its sex-promotion courses under the guise of “education” and teaching kids all about contraceptives, four out of ten — or one of every 2.5 teenage girls — became pregnant annually .
I agree completely, NDT. No doubt about it- we have the highest prenancy and abortion rates in the industrialized world. I would think, as a conservative, you would find this shocking since “liberal, morally corrupt” Europeans have the lowest teen pregnancy and abortion rates.
The question is- what kind of sex ed and health care do they teach in other industrialized nations? Hint: it’s NOT abstinence-only AND they all also have Universal Health Care and the access to birth control and medical attention that comes with it.
Just a reminder- we are the “most conservative” industrialized nation (even the “conservatives”(like Chirac) in Europe are often called liberal by our conservatives); we also have the highest teen pregnancy rate, abortion rate, violent crime rate, rank #36 in terms of quality of health care, are the only industrialized nation with the death penalty, etc.
“Family values” makes a good marketing buzz phrase when you are trying to scare the voters about gay-marriage, but in the end that’s all it seems to mean.
A toast to you Bush Rulez:
“Hey sista, go sista, soul sista, flow sista…”
Wow, what a tour de force!
A big merci beaucoup to you, Bush Rulez!
What Do Rev. Fred Phelps and Cindy Sheehan Have In Common?
What Do Rev. Fred Phelps and Cindy Sheehan Have In Common?
They are both Democrats. In 1988, Phelps housed campaign workers for Al Gore’s first presidential run; in 1989, his eldest son, Fred Jr., hosted a fundraiser for Gore’s Senate campaign at his home . . . Because of their years as loyal Democrats, the Phelpses have even been invited to — and attended — both of Clinton’s inaugurations.
Fred Phelps, registered Democrat, organizer of Democratic activities and fund-raiser for Al Gore and Bill Clinton, also criticized the invasion of Iraq, sent a warm letter to Saddam Hussein full of compliments for his regime while asking for (and receiving) permission to send protesters against the coming Iraq invasion, claimed that the U.S. deserved September 11th (and that London deserved the recent bombings), and praised Castro for his leadership and moral stance against homosexuality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps#Affiliations_with_Al_Gore_and_Democratic_Party
It’s not up to me. I’m the only one who’s provided any objective evidence for my arguments.
Then you should have no trouble coughing up this one as well, especially since you said you already checked the statistics. Post the link.
C’mon, I’m still waiting for ONE piece of objective evidence that liberals don’t have “family values”. I know I’m in the minority, but I believe a long-term gay couple who is monogamous, raises children to be responsible citizens, and doesn’t abuse either their children OR each other is demonstrating “family values” just as much as a straight married couple. Sexual orientation and political party affilation have nothing to do with it.
I would agree; however, that is inconsistent with your previous statements that conservatives can’t have family values. This sudden burst of moderation on your part seems to be solely in reaction to the fact that your sex-promotion education produced teenage pregnancy rates far greater than the one in seven you seemed to despise.
I would think, as a conservative, you would find this shocking since “liberal, morally corrupt” Europeans have the lowest teen pregnancy and abortion rates.
There is a lot more complexity than that.
Just a reminder- we are the “most conservative” industrialized nation (even the “conservatives”(like Chirac) in Europe are often called liberal by our conservatives); we also have the highest teen pregnancy rate, abortion rate, violent crime rate, rank #36 in terms of quality of health care, are the only industrialized nation with the death penalty, etc.
That depends entirely on your definitions. Are you eliminating Russia, among others?
I would agree; however, that is inconsistent with your previous statements that conservatives can’t have family values.
You’re not paying attention. Somebody scoffed when I stated that liberals believe in motherhood and family values as much as conservatives. I then went on to show that statistics bear me out. I never said that conservatives don’t have family values, merely that they don’t hold a lock on family values. Furthermore, just being conservative is not enough to prove that you have such values.
the fact that your sex-promotion education produced teenage pregnancy rates far greater than the one in seven you seemed to despise.
Prove it. This administration, as much as they say they believe in accountability, has refused to fund one study on the effectiveness of abstinence-only education. Why would that be?
They are both Democrats. In 1988, Phelps housed campaign workers for Al Gore’s first presidential run; in 1989, his eldest son, Fred Jr., hosted a fundraiser for Gore’s Senate campaign at his home . . . Because of their years as loyal Democrats, the Phelpses have even been invited to — and attended — both of Clinton’s inaugurations.
Yeah, as protesters! They even protested Al Gore Sr’s funeral with signs that said “Your father is in hell!”
I guess both Bush and David Duke are Republicans, so they must be exactly alike as well!?!?!
Somebody scoffed when I stated that liberals believe in motherhood and family values as much as conservatives.
Let’s examine the proof you gave.
Being liberal, I might not know too much about family values even though I’ve been with my lovely wife for 17 years now. We’ve never had any infidelities, nor have either of us been divorced previously. We are raising four beautiful children together.
In other words, the only way you can prove that you have family values lines up directly with what conservatives are promoting — stable, secure, two-parent households that exhibit love and sexual commitment to each other.
Have you really looked at what liberals are promoting recently?
Have you really looked at what liberals are promoting recently?
Ummm, Gay Rights, Tolerance, Health Care, Social Security, Public Schools, Science, Energy Independence. I don’t see how these are incompatible with family values.
In other words, the only way you can prove that you have family values lines up directly with what conservatives are promoting
Profit based health care, dogmatic faith over science, prejudice against gays/lesbians enshrined in the Constitution, dismantling social security, and more government intrusion in individual’s lives.
Ah yes, liberals promote gay rights….just like this (added emphasis mine):
Sen. John Kerry said in an interview published yesterday that he would have voted for the gay-marriage ban passed overwhelmingly this week by Missouri voters.
The Democratic presidential nominee, who spent parts of two days stumping across the state, told The Kansas City Star the ballot measure was the same as one his home state of Massachusetts passed a few years ago. Kerry supported that measure.
In a separate interview with Kansas City’s NBC affiliate, Kerry reiterated that he and Sen. John Edwards oppose gay marriage, although they favor civil unions.
“We’ve always argued the states will be capable of taking care of this by themselves,” Kerry said. “… We didn’t need a [federal] constitutional amendment in order to do what’s right.”
So in other words, stripping gays of rights is “do(ing) what’s right” for liberals and, in your vernacular, is “promoting gay rights”.
The same thing happens in your others. “Health care” translates into “someone else paying”. Social Security translates into “giving up control of your retirement to the government”. Public schools translates into “removing all accountability from education”. “Science” translates into “denying that a baby in utero is human”. “Energy independence” translates into “blasting people for owning SUVs when you drive two yourself”.
Thank you very much, but I have good health care, I can manage my own retirement, I oppose writing discrimination into ANY constitution, I was taught both science and religion and turned out quite capable with both, I don’t think babies should be killed because of parental irresponsibility, and I drive a very fuel-efficient car.
Social Security: It offers an ROI of What a Deal!
Socialized Health Care: In Canada, people wait six months for CAT scans and up to two years for heart surgery. What a Deal!
Gay Marriage: Let’s force a massive social change on an unwilling populace through the court system, all for the sake of a handful of legal conveniences.
Intrusion into individual lives: Unlike the Democrats, who only want to tell you how you can and can not use your property, what kind of vehicle you’re allowed to drive, deny you the same choice of schools that they put their own children into (but not yours!), want bureaucrats to micromanage health care, use the IRS to subject people to invasions of privacy that make the Patriot Act pale by comparison, will gladly restrict your constitutional right to self-defense, limit economic freedom by maximizing government’s “share” of your income, will deny a parent the right to know if a minor child is seeking an abortion, and will deny you equal education opportunity based on the color of your skin. But aside from that, you’re free to do whatever they say is okay.
Dogmatic Faith Over Science: Yes, because… oh the horror, Bush doesn’t oppose the discussion of alternative theories to evolution in schools. Never mind that he’s with 64% of the American public on this, because our enlightened liberal masters know what’s best for everyone.
“Social Security: It offers an ROI of What a Deal!”
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“Social Security: It offers an ROI of
“Social Security: It offers an ROI of What a Deal!”
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“Social Security: It offers an ROI of less than 1% and will be bankrupt by the time I reach retirement age. What a deal!”
Apparently this system chokes on less than signs
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Anyone see this picture of mother Moonbat from Vanity Fair, http://sweetness-light.com/archive/mother-sheehans-vanity-fair/
The one where she’s lying down on her son’s grave in a skin tight jogging suit? What on G-d’s green earth is up with that?? Some sort of necrophelia or reverse Oedipus Complex? Had to take a shower after seeind that. Also did she ever get a headstone for her son’s grave? Surely her boyfreind George Soros could put up the dough.
Okay, personal attacks aside, America’s right wing and left wing are almost virtually indistinguishable. The right has Ann Coulter, the left has (apparently) the Fred Phelps.
This isn’t politics, this is like one big game of tug o’ war. There are pretty much only two sides to pick, so it’s a case of picking what one deems to be the lesser of two evils.Both have their extremists, both have their bad sides. But for crying out loud! What is with the constant sniping and petty comments?
I don’t want to invite personal attacks, but I feel I should state that I am Catholic, from an educated middle-class background, in an average suburban neighbourhood. I am at university, am studying Philosophy, Media Studies, Religious Studies, English and Latin and am neither ignorant nor ill-informed. I cried the day Bush was re-elected, but accepted it.
The world is becoming a nastier, less-tolerant place. This page is evidence of that. Quit making cheap digs, it’s embarrassing.
ps: despite going to a private Catholic girls’ school, we received both types of sex-education, something i commend, especially given the high rate of STDs and pregnancies amongst teenagers. Nearly everyone I know has abstained, but at least the practical knowledge was there. Think about it. Peace.
Wow, you guys are pathetic- conservative gays?
Don’t you people realize Republicans see us (they gay community) as sub human? Part of their whole platform is the hatred of gay people. How can you be conservtive??? The cons HATE you and me for what we are. You people need to deal with your self hatred issues….
Todd is typical Leftist.. Has no clue what he’s talking about yet has no problem engaging in bigotry and stereotyping in the name of speaking against bigotry and stereotyping.
Todd: Give it a rest, a free and thinking people see through your speech-silencing tactics.