The Education of a Man who was Once “Nothing but Gay”
In the comment section to my piece on Joe Solmonese’s liberalism, reader Mike alerted me to this excellent post by a new gay blogger.
Reflecting on a gay man who “seems to believe all homosexuals are liberal,” Prismwarden writes
Still, doesn’t he realize by assuming gays are liberal that he is unconsciously reinforcing the systematic social oppression of a world that pressures us to be liberal?! How insensitive and close-minded, no, how hateful to place those kinds of expectations on us.
Upset in November 2000 at the victory of George W. Bush, this open-minded man has since
aged beyond adolescent self-identity politics to the wider world of free-thinking adults. I am free of the shrieking homosexual activism and its filthy, grime-ridden claws of insecurity and self-loathing.
From a man who was once “nothing but gay,” he began to realize that “No shared sexual orientation could ever bind” him to the “twisted beliefs” of gay leftists who “hated too much and too easily.”
There is much to commend in this post and rather than rewrite it here, please read the whole thing and keep an eye on this blog!
-Dan (AKA GayPatriotWest): GayPatriotWest@aol.com
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… adolescent self-identity politics … shrieking homosexual activism and its filthy, grime-ridden claws of insecurity and self-loathing.
Oh, man, that sounds like so many of the lefties who post here it isn’t funny.
Comment by V the K — September 13, 2005 @ 5:05 pm - September 13, 2005
I know.
My (least) favorite part is when they insult the patriots here in the most sexually graphic, ugly, sexually hateful ways they are able to conceive of…..then end by accusing their targets of sexual self-loathing. LOL
Comment by joe — September 13, 2005 @ 5:35 pm - September 13, 2005
I find it funny that you all think being conservative is somehow taking a stand – that you’re either in the minority or the persecuted. But then I guess maybe you are because you’re so right of the right-leaning faction, the RINOs are too liberal crowd.
Society sways to the center of all the represented factions. You, however, are outside of that.
Comment by GayCowboyBob — September 13, 2005 @ 6:36 pm - September 13, 2005
Hrm. *creatively edits #3*
“I find it funny that you all think being gay is somehow taking a stand – that you’re either in the minority or the persecuted. But then I guess maybe you are because you’re so different from the straight faction, the bisexuals are too heterosexual a crowd.”
Voila! You now have every piece of rhetoric ever written by the gay left.
Funny how that works.
Thanks for the link. I really appreciate it. =)
Comment by Robbie — September 13, 2005 @ 7:28 pm - September 13, 2005
Yo Odysseus, Homer wants his logic back. He says you still don’t understand it.
Being gay is a minority. Or is =>10% somehow now a majority?
Being gay often (not always) involves being persecuted in some form or another. Or is straight-bashing somehow a phenomenon I’ve not yet encountered?
And finally, last time I checked, we had conservative Republicans leading the White House, the Congress and shortly the Supreme Court. How do you all do it? What hellish, persecuted existences you must lead.
Comment by gaycowboybob — September 13, 2005 @ 9:25 pm - September 13, 2005
Yo, Rodeo Bob, you don’t know many gay conservatives, do you?
Many gay conservatives are treated by other homosexuals the way homosexuals are treated by bigoted straights. With disgust and disdain. They’re often avoided, shunned, shamed, harrassed, hated.
If you’re unfamiliar with the phenomenon, lucky, lucky you.
Straights lecturing gays on whether or not they’re they’re mistreated is just as preposterous as you lecturing us about what our lives are like.
I realize irony is a tough tiger to wrassle with, but do give it a try while you’re up on that high horse, partner.
Comment by Robbie — September 13, 2005 @ 10:01 pm - September 13, 2005
GCB-
How does your argument differ from that of the bigots who claim that gay men are obviously not persecuted since their incomes are above average?
Comment by Clint — September 13, 2005 @ 10:05 pm - September 13, 2005
Well said, Robbie. You nail it in comment #6.
Comment by GayPatriotWest — September 13, 2005 @ 10:56 pm - September 13, 2005
You’re a rising star, Robbie.
Comment by PatC — September 13, 2005 @ 11:08 pm - September 13, 2005
Many gay conservatives are treated by other homosexuals the way homosexuals are treated by bigoted straights. With disgust and disdain. They’re often avoided, shunned, shamed, harrassed, hated.
And so then in the Republican world you’re all welcomed with open arms?
Let’s get one thing straight, honey. You’re “avoided, shamed, harassed and hated” because you’re Republicans. The Republican party as of late represents the barest of tolerance at best and the most overt disdain and contempt at worst to gay men and women. As an example, your poster boy Rick Santorum was the one who wanted to keep sodomy laws alive, with the president supporting him. The national party tried to keep the Vice President’s daughter in check like some sort of deformed relative you hide in the attic when company comes over. You support a politcal party who seek to keep your sexuality suppressed, hidden, and persecuted. This is why the majority of gay men so vehmently dislike you.
So if you want to be part of that group, if you’re willing to take the bad with what you consider the good, don’t look for a sad-faced, wistful sympathy from the rest of the gay community who want to be treated fairly, plainly and positively. Because you are willing to settle for some second-class role in the party you choose to associate with you will not receive consideration from your gay peers who think of themselves more highly. You’ve chosen your sycophant path in life and that’s one of the prices that comes with it.
Comment by gaycowboybob — September 14, 2005 @ 2:47 am - September 14, 2005
Actually, let’s get another thing straight, “dear,” I am a conservative, not a Republican. As one, I am strictly loyal to no party. Some of us just like to think outside the box of two party politics. Mmm, outside the box. Makes me want to use words like paradigm and synergy.
If you think the Democratic party does not pander to bigotry in order to advance their political agenda, you have certainly not been paying attention. You’ve never seen the pamphlets and ad campaigns by Democrats demonizing an opponent’s ties to gay friendly legislation or organizations run? It surely must be a fascinating political Helen Keller affliction you have on your hands. I’d recommend a Sullivan, but she’s disappeared into the chasm of emotional despair just of late.
Furthermore, why should any homosexual support a party that brought us DOMA and a presidential candidate who would remove gay rights in order to burnish his religious bona fides? All that snivelling and prostrating and water-carrying on behalf of the party, and just what do you have to show for it? Not a whole hell of a lot, if you ask me. Yet, you choose to live in Manichean political world because your master has thrown you a few crumbs from time to time.
Well lick it up, guy. You may enjoy groveling on your knees, but I get on my knees for no man unless I’m assured I’m getting something out of it.
Or, if he’s just really, really hot.
But, hell, Kerry looks like the apple-throwing tree out of the Wizard of Oz. Eff that. That just ain’t the kind of wood I’m lookin for.
Comment by Robbie — September 14, 2005 @ 3:05 am - September 14, 2005
GCB, you suggest we’re not welcomed into the GOP.
Well, have you ever attended a gathering of Republicans (or other conservatives) as an openly gay man? I have. And in most cases (most, but not all), my fellow Republicans have welcomed me.
So, please don’t comment about what you don’t know.
Because as your very comment shows, you make statements which are far from true. The Vice President has never tried to hide his daughter. At a campaign stop in Iowa, he noted that he had a lesbian daughter and she appeared with her partner on stage when the president declared victory. Both his daughter and her partner had VIP seating at the inaugural.
Comment by Dan (AKA GayPatriotWest) — September 14, 2005 @ 3:22 am - September 14, 2005
Stop that, Dan.
We’ll not have facts intruding on this debate.
If only for the look of the thing.
Comment by Robbie — September 14, 2005 @ 3:30 am - September 14, 2005
Because you are willing to settle for some second-class role in the party you choose to associate with you will not receive consideration from your gay peers who think of themselves more highly.
Those would be the same people who think that advocating for bans on gay marriage and stripping gays of rights is “pro-gay” and “gay-supportive”.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 14, 2005 @ 3:39 am - September 14, 2005
You know, NDT, that post of yours really is a weapon that can never be blunted through use. It’s far too perfectly true and indicative of the hypocrisy of the gay left.
(sorry, first thunderstorm in months, so I’m up watching it, and have nothing better to do than comment endlessly
)
Comment by Robbie — September 14, 2005 @ 3:44 am - September 14, 2005
Dan, in #12, you praise the Vice President for bringing his gay daughter and partner to the stage, and point to this as an example of the gay inclusiveness of the GOP. Yet this same VP stood silent as Bush put forth the GOP’s anti-gay Constitutional amendment — noting his “discomfort” with it only when it became clear he and Bush would need any gay votes they could get. This tells me that the VP as a father puts party fortune well ahead of the daughter’s future. And you consider that honorable behavior?
Our new “Robbie” in #11 (and don’t we wonder who this prolific poster is, given the masquerade party of late) seems to have picked up the NDT disease of picking snippets from the dense jungle of campaign literature to bash Democrats (which is interesting for someone claiming independence), all the while giving complete leeway to Bush and the GOP for their attempt to enshine anti-gay bigotry into the Constitution. Yes, there’s synergy in that.
And GCB in #11 puts forth one of the clearest descriptions yet of why those of us in the mainstream of gay life view fringe Gay Republicans with such frustration. We know that about one-tenth of gay people support politicians and a party that stand in the way of the eventual equality of all of us. But, we can’t do much about it (other than argue with you here), so I guess we’ll just have to live with your betrayal — right on up to the day it is clear that equality has been won, despite you.
Comment by Reader — September 14, 2005 @ 8:34 am - September 14, 2005
Do John Kerry or John Edwards actually know any gays or lesbians other than Mary Cheney?
Comment by Frank IBC — September 14, 2005 @ 12:26 pm - September 14, 2005
Reader (aka Demense Lord) says….”And GCB in #11 puts forth one of the clearest descriptions yet of why those of us in the mainstream of gay life view fringe Gay Republicans with such frustration. We know that about one-tenth of gay people support politicians and a party that stand in the way of the eventual equality of all of us. But, we can’t do much about it (other than argue with you here), so I guess we’ll just have to live with your betrayal — right on up to the day it is clear that equality has been won, despite you. ”
Now there is an example of self-loathing. We will NOT allow any diversity in our own community… but we DEMAND diversity from the rest of society.
Hey, DL, guess what… you are NOT in the mainstream of America. You can stay in the mainstream of a subculture if you’d like. Your hate-filled spouts of rage make you the perfect candidate for the next head of the HRC.
Comment by GayPatriot — September 14, 2005 @ 12:57 pm - September 14, 2005
Reader, from what I understand, the Vice President lobbied the president behind the scenes to prevent him from endorsing the amendment. Obviously, he wasn’t successful.
But, at least he tried.
Not only that. Both he–and his wife–indicated publicly that they disagreed with the president for his stance on that issue. A pretty bold stance if you ask me.
And it’s simply wrong to call the amendment anti-gay. As I have stated repeatedly on this blog I opposed such an amendment, but I don’t think all opponents of gay marriage are anti-gay. It’s important that we understand that.
Comment by Dan (AKA GayPatriotWest) — September 14, 2005 @ 1:01 pm - September 14, 2005
Dan-
Don’t bother using logic with the mindless drones of the Gay Borg.
Comment by GayPatriot — September 14, 2005 @ 1:02 pm - September 14, 2005
Since GayCowboyBob and Reader loathe and despise gay conservatives, or anyone that doesn’t think like a Liberal…. then I guess we need to change their names from now on to GayCowboyBigot and ReaderBigot. I shall begin making the edits from this point on….
Comment by GayPatriot — September 14, 2005 @ 1:06 pm - September 14, 2005
Now there is an example of self-loathing. We will NOT allow any diversity in our own community… but we DEMAND diversity from the rest of society.
It’s not about diversity. It’s about the party you support that actively attempts to deny your existence. Can you name me another minority group that actively supports and attempts to ingratiate themselves to where the group then in turn attempts to suppress said minority group? That’s just stupidity in action.
And it’s simply wrong to call the amendment anti-gay. As I have stated repeatedly on this blog I opposed such an amendment, but I don’t think all opponents of gay marriage are anti-gay. It’s important that we understand that.
Gay marriage is an important, forefront issue to the gay community. Republicans oppose it. How is it not anti-gay? Or is this some semantic issue for you? It’s not anti-gay but pro-family? Either way it’s both uninformed, biased and unfounded. Another case of Republicans ignoring the facts to advance their agenda.
But, at least he tried.
I don’t remember a resignation letter on the POTUS desk. Perhaps he didn’t try hard enough. Or care enough. I like to think that if something mattered so much to me, my father would be willing to put it on the line for me. If the President decided to see the ammendment through, do you think Cheney would resign?
then I guess we need to change their names from now on to GayCowboyBigot and ReaderBigot.
I don’t suppose it would be the worst thing I’ve been called in my life, and from friends no less.
Do whatever juvenile thing makes you happy to deflect attention from the debate.
Comment by GayCowboyBob — September 14, 2005 @ 2:33 pm - September 14, 2005
Gay marriage is an important, forefront issue to the gay community. Republicans oppose it. How is it not anti-gay?
Because, Bob, you and your fellow gay Democrats have said that opposing gay marriage, even to the point of taking steps to ban it, is not antigay.
That’s the only way you and Reader can explain your support of Democrats like John Kerry, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton…..
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 14, 2005 @ 3:37 pm - September 14, 2005
Because, Bob, you and your fellow gay Democrats have said that opposing gay marriage, even to the point of taking steps to ban it, is not antigay.
Please point out my specific words to that effect if you please. And again, I’m not a Democrat.
Comment by gaycowboybob — September 14, 2005 @ 10:39 pm - September 14, 2005
I am a straight member of a prominent gay organization of about 200 in the West Hollywood Area. I’m also a Republican.
Kudos to Gay Patriot for his honesty and courage. Unlike those who embrace controversial ideas, GP does so at risk of alienating himself from a supportive community. I suspect that he is comforted by a GOP that is more supportive and tolerant of others than the gay community pretends to be. At least this is my experience.
Like the Teamsters, the gay community uses intimidation to coerce and bully those who challenge gay doctrine. In my own organization, there is a large minority who loathe the liberal agenda, but fear losing the support of a loving community. These people often thank me for speaking out for them, but also ask me to not to disclose their identity. It must be awful that their community demands a suspension of the 1st Amendment rights when it comes to contradicting their community. Conservatives have no such restriction. Critical discourse is welcome within the GOP.
I’m no longer a liberal because they are too invested in themselves to care for anyone else, while conservatives prefer to create laws and policies that are designed to benefit everyone. While I’m not surprised by ex-liberals who become conservative, I’m especially appreciative when gay individuals articulate their ideals despite vehement ridicule. GP’s got bigger balls than most folks, and I’m honored to call him a friend.
Comment by Clark Baker — September 15, 2005 @ 2:41 am - September 15, 2005
Please point out my specific words to that effect if you please.
Gladly.
You see, Bob, here’s what you say when you’re bashing Republicans who dare to say that opposition to gay marriage does not necessarily mean one is antigay:
Gay marriage is an important, forefront issue to the gay community. Republicans oppose it. How is it not anti-gay?
Meanwhile, here’s what you say when spinning for Kerry:
I think Kerry is wrong in his stance against gay marriage in Massachusetts. For the most part he has pretty fair and decent ideas toward gay people but in this he is wrong.
So you see, Bob, in your world, it’s not antigay for Democrats to oppose gay marriage, otherwise you would have said so — just like you did for Republicans. You claim Republicans are all antigay because they oppose gay marriage, regardless of their stances on anything else, but you say that Democrats who oppose gay marriage are not only not antigay, they’re “fair and decent”.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 15, 2005 @ 12:55 pm - September 15, 2005
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