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Just a reminder . . .

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 3:43 am - November 2, 2005.
Filed under: General,National Politics

. . . that one year ago today, George W. Bush was re-elected with a majority of the popular vote to a second four-year term as president of the United States.

UPDATE: Those of our critics have commented about the closeness of the vote in last fall’s election should note that since the (national) popular vote has been tallied (in presidential elections), only two Democrats in U.S history have won a second (in the case of FDR, second, third and fourth) term with a majority of the popular vote. And it was 104 years between Andrew Jackson’s (1832) re-election and FDR’s (1936).

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  1. Just what is the point of having elections, anyway, if the winning side doesn’t get to implement its policies?

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2005 @ 5:40 pm - November 2, 2005

  2. #51 it’s not a question of if they can enact their policies but if they can pretend like the other 48.5% of the electorate’s opinion is irrelevant. I will again take you back to 1993 and 1994 where using your logic Clinton & Co. should have been able to get their trillion dollar health care grab done. I mean, they won, they should have gotten to enact their agenda, right?

    Comment by Mr. Moderate — November 2, 2005 @ 5:53 pm - November 2, 2005

  3. Just what is the point of having elections, anyway, if the winning side doesn’t get to implement its policies?

    It means it LEADS Frank, not that it gets to DICTATE. Slight difference there.

    Comment by gaycowboybob — November 2, 2005 @ 6:18 pm - November 2, 2005

  4. Unrestricted government spending, huh? We’ve had the fastest growth in the size of discretionary spending and the number of pork projects in the last four years, and you think Democrats are the only ones familiar with fiscal irresponsibility…you’re a riot…

    Hardly. But given that Democrats demand even more spending, what’s your point?

    it’s not a question of if they can enact their policies but if they can pretend like the other 48.5% of the electorate’s opinion is irrelevant.

    Codespeak — not giving the other side everything they want is treating their opinion as if it’s “irrelevant”. By that logic, we should be letting Cindy Sheehan dictate the foreign policy of the United States.

    The reason the Democrats aren’t getting what they want is because their opinions ARE irrelevant. We’re not going to blame the Jews and say the Iraqi insurgents are “freedom fighters”, nee Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore. We’re not going to punish businesses and people for being successful. We’re not going to promote abortion as a replacement for sexual responsibility.

    As soon as the Democrats decide to be for something, instead of against everything, they’ll begin their long trek back into relevance and having their opinion heard.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2005 @ 6:20 pm - November 2, 2005

  5. the day i wish i could have back and write in my neighbor for president.

    Comment by in_the_middle — November 2, 2005 @ 7:34 pm - November 2, 2005

  6. Most American’s voted for anybody but Bush in the last election, by voting for his opponent or not voting at all.
    The Majority of Americans’ did not want Bush.
    He was ‘elected’ by a minority of the population.
    That said, the voting tally fraud in Ohio made hanging chads look like a good polling.
    There is no recount in a system that fails to make a permanent fixed record.
    A bit here, a bit there and next thing you know an election has been stollen with narry a trail to follow.
    There are no elections where computers fail to leave a paper trail.
    Hail to the Thief!

    Comment by gaypatriotstop — November 2, 2005 @ 8:24 pm - November 2, 2005

  7. “the Democrats have done NOTHING to address the actual reason why Gore lost in 2000”

    And neither have the Republicant’s

    Comment by gaypatriotstop — November 2, 2005 @ 8:28 pm - November 2, 2005

  8. The Republicans weren’t the ones whining about the 2000 election allegedly being stolen, idiot.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2005 @ 9:11 pm - November 2, 2005

  9. Oh, my… now every time a Democrat loses, the Republicans have the responsibility to ensure that the Democrats win the next time.

    Call me when the shuttle arrives, GayCow.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2005 @ 9:13 pm - November 2, 2005

  10. “Any democracy that ceases to have dissent won’t remain a democracy for long.”

    Mr. Moderate is correct. If people in the minority ceased to stand up for their beliefs, then eventually the moderate wing of the party in charge would stop standing up to the far side of the party and extremists would take over. Look how far that nutcase McCarthy got.

    I’m really distrubed by some of the posters hear who have a “sit down and shut up” attitude towards those of us who simply don’t subscribe to their beliefs. We have a different point of view and (unless the constitution has changed recently) sitl have the right to express it.

    Comment by Kevin — November 2, 2005 @ 9:54 pm - November 2, 2005

  11. I don’t have a sit down and shut up attitude.

    I have a “G-d, how can someone be so stupid” attitude. 🙂

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2005 @ 10:11 pm - November 2, 2005

  12. Get over your martyr complex, Kevin. I know all Leftists have oppression envy but you’re not under martial law. No has to treat your hate of Bush as intellectual and productive. You show no respect for anyone on the right who posts so don’t get sensitive now.

    When you guys provide useful alternatives to present policy instead of scorched-earth tactics intended to do nothing but destroy the lives and careers of fellow Americans you will get your hearing. I voted for Clinton, I voted for my Democrat Yankee governor Bredsen. It’s not the Bush supporters who have anything to prove. You guys have to convince the rest of us or at least enough of us that you actually like this country and would actually support us against our enemies. I don’t believe you would for even a minute at this time and apparently a majority of your fellow citizens feel the same when you look at Congress as well as the White House.

    I hate the Religious Right but they are much less threatening to me than those Communist freaks marching in the streets every two months. I don’t have to worry about a bigot like Santorum bowing to terrorists like sweet tolerant Durbin. There will be a time to sort out the freaks on the right but we have bigger fish to fry at the moment. Your trivial pursuits are all vanity. Its always about YOU.

    Three national elections lost and you arrogant divas still insist you are the ones this nation should be obeying. I still want to believe you wouldn’t be this insane if you weren’t so powerless but you can’t accuse the cross-burners of anything your own freaks aren’t just as guilty of believing and advocating.

    Comment by VinceTN — November 2, 2005 @ 10:15 pm - November 2, 2005

  13. Well, Kevin has eluded Bushitler’s Extermination Patrols for another day. (but for how long? How long?)

    Yes, and people who dissent against the Bush Regime are so courageous given the horrific oppression that they face. Let’s see, how much money did Michael Moore make last year? What was Joe Wilson’s book deal worth? Mary Mapes got $250K for her memoirs. And what about Cindy Sheehan? The Bush Regime really shut her up, didn’t they?

    The sound of dissent in this country is pretty much that of left-wingers high-fiving each other on their way to A-List cocktail parties, or tapping out horrific tales of the oppression under the Bush police state and posting them to Kos and DUMB during breaks at Kinkos.

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2005 @ 10:39 pm - November 2, 2005

  14. In the category of “God, If We’d Only Known Then What We Know Today” comes today’s numbers from the CBS Poll:

    Approve Of Bush’s Job Performance = 35% (only Nixon was ever lower)

    Disapprove & Wish The Idiot Will Spare Us 3 More Years Of This = 57%

    Just Too Numb To Have An Opinion One Way Or The Other = 8%

    Approve Of The Republican Congress = 34%

    Approve Of Cheney’s Job Performance = 19%

    Many more juicy details at the link, Gay Patriots…

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/02/eveningnews/main1005982.shtml

    My, where did all that “political capital” disappear to?

    [The CBS poll has, along with AP-Ipsos, long been the most slanted against the GOP, routintely oversampling Democrats, so I wouldn’t take much stock in this. –Ed.]

    Comment by Queer Patriot — November 2, 2005 @ 10:45 pm - November 2, 2005

  15. Actually, GP, this is testimony to the power of the media to support a lie; they’ve spent so much time obscuring the true nature of what went on in Saddam’s Iraq that it’s no wonder people have forgotten.

    However, what will be interesting are the campaign ads for next year filled with juicy details from Saddam’s trial. Imagine footage of Ted Kennedy bloviating over torture at Abu Ghirab, then the videos of Saddam’s torture at Abu Ghirab as Senator Chappaquiddick thunders how putting a stop to it was unnecessary and unjustified. The possibilities are endless.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2005 @ 11:06 pm - November 2, 2005

  16. I’m just glad I got enough going on in my life that I don’t need to obssess over the president’s approval numbers.

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2005 @ 11:35 pm - November 2, 2005

  17. GayPatriotWest, in your cowardly edit of my last comment (No. 64), you say the CBS Poll is “long the most slanted against the GOP, routinely oversampling Democrats”. Where’s your proof (% GOP vs. % Dem vs. % Independent/No Party)? And about of the weighting? Tell us what you know. And let’s hope it, like some of your other proof links, doesn’t reside in a Byron York rant.

    Thirty, I know you and some others on your side are saying today that a nasty little terror attack in the right Blue state would reverse those poll numbers, but are you really hoping for that — all to boost the President’s ratings?

    Comment by Queer Patriot — November 2, 2005 @ 11:41 pm - November 2, 2005

  18. Has impeachment ever been invoked for sheer incompetance?

    Comment by gaycowboybob — November 2, 2005 @ 11:50 pm - November 2, 2005

  19. No, just for “high crimes and misdemeanors”. You’re getting it confused with “vote of confidence”, which does not to be “for cause” and which does not exist in this country, but is the norm in most other countries.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2005 @ 11:59 pm - November 2, 2005

  20. Thirty, I know you and some others on your side are saying today that a nasty little terror attack in the right Blue state would reverse those poll numbers, but are you really hoping for that — all to boost the President’s ratings?

    Absolutely not. While that could in theory be true, why in the world would I want to wish death and destruction on my fellow Americans to raise Bush’s poll ratings? Nothing in life is that important, and especially not approval ratings.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2005 @ 11:59 pm - November 2, 2005

  21. A recent example of the bias of NYT/CBS News polls. In their September poll this year, they oversampled Democrats. That poll showed a “36% Democrat/26% Republican/28% Independent/9% Don’t Know breakdown.” Exit polls (which favored Kerry) last fall showed parity between the parties.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — November 3, 2005 @ 3:54 am - November 3, 2005

  22. As per my prior comment (#71), the poll that QP touts (in #64) undersamples Republicans (via Power Line).

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — November 3, 2005 @ 4:14 am - November 3, 2005

  23. GayCowBBs and Mr Mod, with a little QueerPat throw in… you guys DO miss the forest while focusing in on the trees! I love LibLefties; all this time and they STILL don’t get it right.

    Posit #1 A longwinded defense of your misstated preposition that the percentage of the margin of victory is important because it denies Bush43 the opportunity to claim “mandate” status is, well, plain ol’ silly. Percentage of the margin of reelection? Do even see how deep into the hollers of stats you have to go before you can refute the premise? My God.

    Posit #2 It wasn’t Bush claiming the mandate right after the election… it was some of the LibLeft commentators and pundits (before they got their talking pts in sync) that were offering the election victory could translate into new political capital for the Prez.

    Posit #3 The most important point you missed in my rebutts to Jody’s original nonsense was that THIS Prez doesn’t lead by polls, doesn’t try to triangulate groups and issues, and doesn’t practice policy by pollsters… so whether he’s down or up, he knows from his Father’s own experience in the job, voters and the general American public are fickle… they can turn on you in a dime… and it’s nearly impossible to fight those LibLefty institutions like the press when they buy their ink by the barrelfuls… or bandwidths by the ______.

    And out of all that, you guys continue to miss that this Prez doesn’t make decisions and policy by watching the polls. He knows better. He’s more mature on this point than your last two bigboys who held the office –Carter and Clinton. Contrary to the current officeholder, they were CONTROLED by the polls. Some would offer: crippled by the polls.

    Percentage of margin of reelection for the incumbent is an obtuse position to defend. As is the interest in undercutting this Prez by watching the polls. The more interesting story is why do some organs of the MSM continue to slant polling when the numbers offer enough fodder for the LibLeft to denigrate the Prez’s standing with rank & file Americans.

    And on that very point… what’s so critical about what the “rank & file American” thinks? A short while ago, you LibLefties were all-a-tutter about polling that indicated a large percentage of Americans thought God created the world and the Bible gets it mostly right. You had nothing but contempt for those rank & file Americans.

    Why the sudden lovefest? I know, because it helps your side score political points. But you know it hypocritical, right? Right GayCowBB? Right Mr Moderate who alleges he voted for GOPers but sure doesn’t sound like it? Right GayQueer or Chandler or TxRazorBack or whatever the handle of the week?

    Scoop: rank & file Americans are gullible and don’t have the skills to determine what’s truth or fiction. It’s why those tabloids in the grocery store lead with “Aliens abduct Georgia woman and create super alien race” or “Hillary’s lesbian lover says ‘Leave Bill or Else’”.

    Forest for the trees. This Prez isn’t led by polls. Thank God for leadership with principle.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — November 3, 2005 @ 10:45 am - November 3, 2005

  24. Comment 70 –

    Yeah. Wishing for death and destruction on fellow Americans for political gain is very much the Left’s province.

    (Michael Moore….Mama Moonbat….all the Kos Kidz who gnashed their teeth over Saddam Hussein’s capture back when, and recently smiled big smiles at celebrations for the “2,000 troops dead” statistic…)

    Comment by Calarato — November 3, 2005 @ 11:13 am - November 3, 2005

  25. Comment 73 –

    One of the tactics that Leftists train their harcore activists in, is to claim “I’m a lifelong Republican, I voted Bush 2000, but even I find that this administration _________ (blah blah blah).” On conservative radio shows, on forums like these, etc.

    I’ll give Bob points for not doing that.

    I read something about it just recently; one can probably google it.

    Comment by Calarato — November 3, 2005 @ 11:18 am - November 3, 2005

  26. Comment 46 –

    Yeah Mr. Leftist, you are still missing it bad.

    Clinton never got the support of a majority of Americans. Not even on his re-election (prior to Monicagate).

    Bush did.

    Face it. Deal with it.

    “Well Bush was .0000746 off from Woodrow Wilson in 1916 which is a low if you only count special elections of werewolf years” doesn’t cut it. He got a 3,000,000 vote majority in an election where your guys tried everything. Clinton couldn’t and didn’t get that kind of support from the American people. Ponder that.

    Comment by Calarato — November 3, 2005 @ 11:36 am - November 3, 2005

  27. GP –

    Regarding your update, what about Johnson in 1964? Or is that counted as a “first” election?

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 3, 2005 @ 11:46 am - November 3, 2005

  28. That was Johnson’s first election.

    Comment by Calarato — November 3, 2005 @ 11:49 am - November 3, 2005

  29. And is Truman’s election in 1948 also counted as a “first” election?

    At any rate, for the Democrats, their best-case scenario would be 1964, and that’s still 40 years ago.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 3, 2005 @ 11:50 am - November 3, 2005

  30. One of the tactics that Leftists train their harcore activists in, is to claim “I’m a lifelong Republican, I voted Bush 2000, but even I find that this administration _________ (blah blah blah).”

    They’re called Mobies. If you want to guarantee that Andrew Sullivan will publish your email, all you have to do is follow the Moby format. “I was a life-long Republican who voted for Republicans in every election since time began, but because of Bushitler’s Regime of LYING and CORRUPTION I have been forced to renounce my party membership and join the Socialist Worker’s Party…” Sullivan will totally believe you.

    Comment by V the K — November 3, 2005 @ 12:01 pm - November 3, 2005

  31. VK, why is it so hard for you people to accept that not everyone who dislikes the Bush administration and the religious right are left wing moonbats? It never even crosses your mind that there are people across the entire spectrum who are tired of the antics of Bush & Co. as much as we were tired of the antics of Clinton & Co. Your attepmts to trivialize any dissent ring as hollow as those by the Clintonistas.

    Comment by Mr. Moderate — November 3, 2005 @ 2:43 pm - November 3, 2005

  32. why is it so hard for you people to accept that not everyone who dislikes the Bush administration and the religious right are left wing moonbats?

    For just one example of why, you might look in the mirror.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 3, 2005 @ 2:45 pm - November 3, 2005

  33. Frank, I know we’ve had so many conversations in private, and you’ve read all of what I’ve written on politics and history for the last twenty years, so you make that informed judgement from such a position, right…of course not. You’re back to, “You don’t like Bush and you don’t take all the tripe the GOP dishes out so you must be a communist ecoterrorist.” Get over it already.

    Comment by Mr. Moderate — November 3, 2005 @ 2:56 pm - November 3, 2005

  34. Oh I forgot, and since I don’t like Bush I must also hate America too, right Frank…

    Comment by Mr. Moderate — November 3, 2005 @ 2:56 pm - November 3, 2005

  35. #84 — First of all, I’m pretty sure that a review of all comments on GP would reveal that I’ve made more critical comments about Bush and Republicans than you, QP, P2,GCB, Kevin, Heather, and monty combined have made of democrats.

    Second, there’s a difference between reasoned critcism (Bush spends too much money, Bush neglects the borders, Bush has made mistakes in conducting the war, Bush was wrong to endorse the FMA) and hysterical moonbat criticism. (Chimpy LIED about WMDS so he could his NEOCON OIL WAR! Chimpy and Rove should be frog-marched from the White House for revealing the TOP SECRET Identity of Covert Operative Valerie Plame! Republicans want to exterminate gay people!) Most of the Bush criticism from the list of people cited previously falls into the latter category.

    Comment by V the K — November 3, 2005 @ 3:08 pm - November 3, 2005

  36. Why the sudden lovefest? I know, because it helps your side score political points. But you know it hypocritical, right? Right GayCowBB? Right Mr Moderate who alleges he voted for GOPers but sure doesn’t sound like it? Right GayQueer or Chandler or TxRazorBack or whatever the handle of the week?

    Matty,

    Bitterness is just simply ugly. The airport called to give back your baggage. 🙂

    Comment by gaycowboybob — November 3, 2005 @ 3:24 pm - November 3, 2005

  37. Oh my… did someone just say, “how dare you question my patriotism”?

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 3, 2005 @ 4:11 pm - November 3, 2005

  38. #75 I’m sure the lefties would like to take sole credit for that meaningless tactic, but in NJ, we had one of the commercials (for the gubernatorial election) in which several people said, “I’m a lifelong Democrat, but blah, blah, blah.”

    Comment by Pat — November 3, 2005 @ 5:23 pm - November 3, 2005

  39. Comment 87 –

    Could be, Frank. But I thought it was the pot phoning the kettle to say “You’re black…you’re black!”

    Comment by Calarato — November 3, 2005 @ 8:59 pm - November 3, 2005

  40. “Thirty, I know you and some others on your side are saying today that a nasty little terror attack in the right Blue state would reverse those poll numbers, but are you really hoping for that — all to boost the President’s ratings?”

    Queer Patriot

    “While that could in theory be true…”
    North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2005 @ 11:59 pm

    I had heard the Bushbots were talking about this. Now we know they have. What an ugly thing to contemplate.

    Comment by Queer Patriot — November 3, 2005 @ 11:01 pm - November 3, 2005

  41. West, you’ve apparently never heard of sample weighting.

    Comment by Queer Patriot — November 3, 2005 @ 11:02 pm - November 3, 2005

  42. LOL….yup, Queer Patriot, you caught me. Let me post the link so that people can see just how incredibly accurate your quote of me is.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 4, 2005 @ 1:47 am - November 4, 2005

  43. The theory that it would reverse poll numbers is probably true, QP. 30 then goes on to assure hysterical Leftists that he does not wish for such a thing to happen. Selective editing/posting is so mainstream media. If you won’t fight honestly, Queer – why get in the fight at all?

    Comment by VinceTN — November 4, 2005 @ 9:39 am - November 4, 2005

  44. GayCowBBs, no bitterness here –no bags, either. Re-read 73

    Here’s the rub of it… one minute the LibLefties like you are embracing the great American populace for being sane, wise, and prudent in their seeming condemnation of Bush ala public approval in polls, but the next minute dis’ing the American public for believing God created man and the Universe.

    Now, you might be able to have it both ways while hiding the closet in your earlier life, or saying you support Kerry but secretly voting for Bush and Cheney… but, you can’t say the American public is wrong on Intelligent Design but right on Bush’s apporval rating -which, by the way, is no lower than the public’s approval rating of House Democrats or Senate Democrats or trial lawyers or your Hi-5-Buddie-Nagin in New Orleans. As we say in Michigan, “that dog just don’t hunt, boi”.

    Oh, GayCowBBs, the TSA recommends you stop leaving YOUR bags at the airport and relying on the free delivery service to get them to your trailer… I know you were raised to think the gov’t ought to do EVERYTHING for you, but this practice of yours is taking “rights” to an extreme. No one has a right to free travel bag delivery.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — November 4, 2005 @ 11:10 am - November 4, 2005

  45. No. 92, now you’re starting to understand how it feels when you do this to others, eh? You’re so deserving…

    Comment by Queer Patriot — November 6, 2005 @ 6:24 pm - November 6, 2005

  46. I happened upon this website quite by accident and I am just overjoyed that there are more Gay Republicans, I thought I was the only one.
    I was looking up the Ohio ballot issues 2 thru 5, I am not sure what they are yet but there is a multi million dollar ad campaign to defeat them and there are no ads in their defense. This strikes me as sinister and so I am lookig them up before I vote tomorrow.
    I plan to come here more often
    Although I am out now, I retired from the US Army in 2000 and went to shool. I will graduate from a University in Ohio in December (05). I just love politics and economics, they are my minor. Telecommunications and broadcast journalism is my major.
    There are some aspects of certain members of the Republican party that I find totally abhorent but, I find everything about the Democratic party totally abhorent. So, although I must tolerate the homophobe portion of my party; I don’t have to tolerate those neomarxist Democrat traitors to my country and Lockean liberal philosophy.
    Thank you gay patriot net for being here

    Comment by John Jett — November 7, 2005 @ 1:41 pm - November 7, 2005

  47. No. 92, now you’re starting to understand how it feels when you do this to others, eh? You’re so deserving…

    Not really. I have yet to see you post anything that proves anything other than your calling Democrats who support the FMA and antigay state constitutional amendments “pro-gay” and “gay-supportive”.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 8, 2005 @ 11:37 am - November 8, 2005

  48. consensus politics…

    How does the rss feed work so I can get updated on your blog?…

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