Now, back to the original questions. Now it IS antigay to support state constitutional amendments stripping gays of rights? Now people who support state constitutional amendments stripping gays of rights are antigay?

Is it Republican virtue to want to criminalize gay sex?

I agree New Jersey is an example of ‘Home-Rule’ gone amuck. In Camden County, there are two municipalities that have less than 25 voting age residents. One town, Tavistock, came into existance to bypass the blue / dry laws on neighboring Haddonfield.

Let’s see how far you can be pushed in your desperate dance, weasel.

Or how much you sputter when you get burned. I don’t care; as long as you’re on record saying that it’s not antigay to support constitutional amendments and legislation meant to strip gays of rights, that’s all I need.

Unfortunately, aggregating those would result in the loss of thousands, of state and local government jobs — jobs currently represented by unions. The main opposition to aggregation comes from these unions, not from local voters or taxpayers.

Now, you’re telling us that a Democrat, especially a Democrat as beholden to labor unions that represent state government workers both personally and politically as is Corzine will do ANYTHING that threatens union jobs?

There is one point of difference between the two parties in NJ — taxes: the NJ GOP (unlike NJ Dems) will cut state income taxes and borrow (through bonds) the difference, increasing debt and debt service. Which sounds nice to most of you at GP, I’m sure, until you understand that THE tax issue in NJ is property taxes (which are out of sight, roughly $25-30,000 a year on a home of say $1m in value, which is fairly common in that wealthiest of states — yes, NJ had a higher median HHI than CT last time I checked), and cutting state income taxes only increases the fiscal pressure (less state-local sharing of revenue) on local govts., which respond with even higher property taxes. The Democrat, Jon Corzine, supports the only way out of that property tax trajectory — a State Constitutional Convention to consider issues such as aggregation of some of the plethora of local governments. NJ is famous for the sheer number of local govts. — all requiring their own expensive municipal govts. (yes, each has its own Fire, Police, Sanitation, Public Works, School Superintendent, etc. — each commanding a high salary). None of these locals want to aggregate together (or be combined) and lose their local identities, so they continue to exist as separate govts (sometimes just 1-square-mile towns right next to each other) and property taxes always increase. To many of us, combining some of these bureaucracies is the only way out of the property tax prison the state is currently locked in. Can you imagine paying $25-30K in property taxes each year, with prospects for continuing annual increases? That’s middle class yearly income in some states.

Again, it’s hilarious to see how worked up you get when you try to purport an untenable argument. Flame on ND30!

#20 … New Jersey has had plenty of Democratic Governors in the past few years (Jim Florio and Jim McGreavy, for example). Both never were re-elected. As a former resident of the Garden State, a Democrat as governor, or a Republican, is not much of a big deal. If a conservative was elected, that would be odd. I think the last conservative to get the GOP nomination (before the current cycle) was Charles Sandman in 1973, when he defeated incumbent Gov. Wm. Cahill in the primary. A Republican in NJ is not much different than a Democrat in a sizeable number of issues.

#15 … “Love Wendy’s entry in No. 10 – what a good little soldier.” I have tried to be polite to you many times. Never call me a soldier. GO NAVY

Let’s talk about the liberals who benefitted from Abramoff.

#11

QP..PP, what’s the diff?

Actually, you haven’t. You spin wonderful stories about how John Kerry really believes in gay marriage and would never do anything to take it away, then run and hide when you get your teeth kicked in.

Fortunately, weasel, in your desperate attempt to dance away, we now have you saying that opposing gay marriage isn’t antigay and that supporting state constitutional amendments meant specifically to strip gays of rights aren’t antigay. I can hardly wait for your counterparts Queer Patriot and Pussy Patriot to close ranks and agree.

Ah yes, Queer Patriot….the disconnect here is that what you write and what you think you wrote (or want to have written after you’re called on it) are two different things. Sort of like how you and Bob argue that politicians who oppose gay marriage and support state constitutional amendments to permanently strip gays of rights are antigay, then turn that around the next to say they’re not.

That is just a variation of GP’s tag to open this post so it isn’t original, funny, or clever or anything…

Oh, wait, a Democrat giving lectures to Republicans about ethics? OK, that is kinda funny.

Please, lets not rehash some of the scandals that the MSM ignored during the Clinton adminisration. And before you call me a horrible name, or stereotype me as a coservative shill or lackey or something, know that I voted for BC both times, but didn’t vote for GW this time ’round. It’s unfortunate, but the longer someone stays in power, the more likely there will be scandals, because in politics, to get to the top, you (or those around you) have probably bent if not broke rules to get there. It becomes a way of life, no matter how hard you try to keep your nose clean. And I’m not excusing or condoning the behavior. If they broke the law they should be punnished. But why is it that when Republicans are indicted you rush out and proclaim them absolutely guilty, but if a Democrat has charges pending, well, then it’s a right wing conspiracy. Compair the coverage of Plamegate to the Oil-for-Food scandal. I dare anyone to say that President Bush is being treated with the same respect and “innocent till proven guilty” attitude as Kofi Annon.

Ooops. I’m ranting.

Anyway, in short, there are plenty of ethically challenged politicians on all sides of the political fence. So lighten up, breath, take a break from political invectives, and have some fun.

As for YOU, Mr. Vlad: how dare you claim that Queer Patriot and I are the same people who need other people???!!!???

I could have gone to a host of other issues like Republicans’ lack of ethics in Plamegate, Frist stock sales, Delay’s money laundering, Abramoff, covert secret prisons… there’s such a host to choose from, one hardly knows where to begin.

[So far you've only identified one corrupt Republican a the usual leftist list o allegations. Ed.]

But I know. I’ll start with testicle shocking in Serbia. Now that’s NEWS baby!

We ought to just impeach the jerk..” Comment by Queer Patriot — November 10, 2005 @ 9:07 am – November 10, 2005

“If there was ever a time in history to impeach a President of the United States, it would be now.” — Barbra Streisand, 10 November 2005.

(Tip to NRO and Drudge).

“Also, there wasn’t any shock in my case because I’m not the kind of pathetic loser whose personal happiness depends on the outcome of elections.

I’m an entirely different kind of pathetic loser”.

Good one V.

PS. You could have at least been clever or something and segway with “Wow! That must be how republicans feel after Tuesday’s Democratic erections… I mean elections”.

If the choice is between a Republican who outright does not support pro-gay initiatives as opposed to a Democrat who mostly has a good record on pro-gay initiatives except for marriage, I’m gonna vote for the Democrat 100% of the time if that’s the defining point between their candidacies. Supporting gay marriage does not singly define a candidate or his candidacy, as well I think you know. This argument is simply an easy way, like the brownie nosed kid in class, for you to stand up and shout “he’s anti-gay! He’s anti-gay! And you’re supprting him. Anti-gay is pro-gay for Democrats!” So while you find our responses funny for some reason, it’s even more humorous to see how easy it is to goad you up on your shaky soapbox and turn into a shrill charicature.

New Jersey now has a Democrat governor. That’s quite a shocking concept.