Well, the crazies of San Fran.. who rejected an economic opportunity and told the USS Iowa to float away… have done it again.
Chad has the lowdown on the handgun ban in San Fran. Your Bill of Rights…. trampled by the Left Coast.
Now, I’m sure those criminals out there who are packin’ heat will heed this new referendum without question. I can already see them lining up to turn over their firearms.
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However… on the off chance that one or two of them don’t (they are criminals after all, and they didn’t get that title by necessarily obeying the law), and you find yourself in an armed robbery situation or maybe a breaking-and-entering type of deal, here are a few pointers San Franciscans suggest you use to defend yourself:
If you’re gay (and who in CA isn’t?), break it down Streisand style. Regardless of your singing and/or dancing ability, the mere fact you’re tappin’ and flappin’ in the middle of the street should cause uproarious laughter to well up from the perp’s soul. Once he’s done pissing his pants with joy, hand him a tissue to wipe away the tears of laughter and then go grab a tofu wrap with him. Discuss Andrew Lloyd Weber over the meal.
[Related Story – San Francisco Voters Approve Handgun Ban – AP]
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
Leftists fanatically support the right to kill babies, which is nowhere in the Constitution. And they fanatically oppose the right to bear arms, which is quite explicitly in the Constitution. Hey, lefties, if you don’t like guns, then don’t have one. Sound familiar?
It’s also interesting that California voters voted in favor of political gerrymandering*, corrupt union graft, and incompetent teachers.
* And I guess this means liberals have officially lost the right to bitch about the Texas gerrymander.
I understand the gun ban violates the state constitution. Is this true? At any rate, the NRA is filing a lawsuit.
Here is an opportunity for crimminals to move to San Francisco where they can be paid by the city government via welfare checks to rob, steal, rape and murder all the defenseless citizens. Talk about a Gold Mine opportunity!
At this point, between crimminal gang domination/union bullies/Hollywood Stalinists, doesn’t really matter what happens in California since this state is destined to become another French-like Socialist Welfare disaster in just a matter of a few short years. If the Road to Serfdom is taken, undertand it is paved with poverty, misery and oppression.
I wish I could say differently because I have relatives, as well as GayPatriot friends, living there but the neon light is flashing so birght I cannot ignore the obvious message.
Washington, DC did the same thing 29 years ago. However neighboring Montgomery County is under Maryland’s comparatively liberal (in the traditional sense) gun laws.
The result:
Washington DC’s homicide rate: 30-100 per 100,000 residents, the same as Colombia.
Montgomery County’s homicide rate: 3 per 100,000 residents, the same as Singapore.
I have shot a gun exactly once in my life, a hunting rifle, at a tree, in northern Ontario, in 1974. I plan to go to the Gun Show at the San Francisco Cow Palace –this is a big event venue, not a bitchy name for a gay bar– this weekend and purchase a rifle, since the stupid law only covers handguns.
I used to laugh at the eccentricities of my fellow citizens, now they make me mad.
One is reminded of Glenn Reynolds’s comment: “I’d be delighted to live in a country where happily married gay couples had closets full of assault weapons.”
I wonder if gaybashing would be a problem is gays became handgun proponents… think of the message it would send to the fake macho suburban types and ghetto thugs if they knew that the cute musclemary doing some heated PDA with a drag queen was packing more than a pleasure pistol? We’d rock, we’d get to wear our chaps even outside the tight confines of Dore Alley, and we might be able to translate that “handgun-dont-tread-on-me” ‘tude into no nonsense political power and gay civil rights progress.
But the GayLeft leadership over at the HRC won’t let us.
No pun intended, but it’s a natural fit… a gay guy with a handgun squeezing off a few rounds in self defense. The power, the drama, the attention grabbing moment, the non-ectasy excitement… it’s all there for us. We could be 1000% male and still gay to the public without dropping our pants to prove it.
I think the guys in SanFran are missing a golden moment… and, no Chandler/Monty, I don’t mean that kind of golden moment.
Oh, and just for the record, I’m a duck hunter, deer hunter, turkey bow & arrow hunter, and own three handguns… and I use full metal jackets in each even for target practice at the range.
The new book Freakonomics shows there’s no correlation between carrying a handgun and reduction in crimes involving handguns. They do say however that stiffer prison penalties seems to be more effective in reducing these types of crimes.
So whether the people of San Francisco are legally allowed to carry handguns, it seems to make little difference to crime rates.
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Hey, I’ve seen a guy check his concealed with HPD at the door of a club in Houston once.
I’m a duck hunter, deer hunter, turkey bow & arrow hunter, and own three handguns… and I use full metal jackets in each even for target practice at the range.
My, the boys must swoon over you in bloody hunting clothes. 🙂
I’ve not really taken much shine to them myself although I officially own a .22. I will come into a large inhertance of them through through my father who is a collector and restorer (last count he had about 30 rifles in the gun safe, a dozen or so handguns and some semi-automatics). We’ll sometimes target shoot when I’m home. Just saying so you realize I’m not someone speaking on that which I’ve no experience.
If you want to keep guns out of criminal hands, you need to crack down on private, unaccounted for, sales and stiffer penalties for offenses with weapons. I appreciate a wait period and a background check and feel it’s necessary but more beyond that for public sales really won’t change things.
One is reminded of Glenn Reynolds’s comment: “I’d be delighted to live in a country where happily married gay couples had closets full of assault weapons.”
Well, down here in Texas…WE DO! 🙂
That’s why nobody messes with us down here. And yes, I too have seen gay guys check in their concealed handguns at the door of some clubs in the Montrose area. One trannie even pulled it out of his purse!
I say, lock and load and God bless America!
Regards,
Peter Hughes
If you want it for home protection, I’d buy a pump-action 12-ga shotgun. Not only is aim a bit less of a problem, but the sound of the pump would make any intruder mess his drawers.
As for Freakanomics, it’s entertaining, though hardly to be taken seriously. He draws many ridiculous conclusions (such as abortion and crime), and I’d check any data he uses rigorously. At any rate, effect on crime is irrelevant, or haven’t you heard of the Second Amendment?
This blog is increasingly disappointing of late. I’m sure there are intelligent arguments for gay conservatism, but they’re not to be found here. You guys are going wacko.
Andy, from my count there are 4 or 5 people who comment here, not real indicative of what gay people or gay conservatives think….. if you need to see what gay people are thinking go over to AmericaBlog, comments aren’t censored there….. people on here are basically Rush Limbaugh with a lisp.
As for Freakanomics, it’s entertaining, though hardly to be taken seriously. He draws many ridiculous conclusions (such as abortion and crime), and I’d check any data he uses rigorously. At any rate, effect on crime is irrelevant, or haven’t you heard of the Second Amendment?
First of all, in Freakonomics they show correlaries and from that extrapolate probable conclusions. They consider the data and show the most likely reason for the situation. Their logic is hardly “ridiculous.” Perhaps it’s worthy of further scrutiny, but I’m curious to see what on which you base your assumptions. Have you actually read the book?
Secondly, the problem with defending the Second Amendment literally in toto does not account for how to keep weapons out of the hands of people who would use them against others for crime rather than in defending freedom. The majority of Americans say that that is an unacceptable fate and that we need to find a balance between private ownership and restriction to violent offenders. The constitution is a living document, despite the sentimentality of constructionists, and to ignore that is an invitation to our own detriment.
Remember as well that when the constitution was constructed, our most sophisticated personal weapon was a variation of a long barreled gun (musket or rifle) that had no sight, was fairly inaccurate beyond 50 yards or so, fired one shot and took anywhere from 15 to 30 seconds to reload if you were skilled at it. Slightly different from modern semi-automatics that mow down a crowd of people from a comfortable distance within the same time it took to load one shot from a musket.
I left California 56 years ago kicking and screaming. It was the best thing that happened to me.
Andy, from my count there are 4 or 5 people who comment here, not real indicative of what gay people or gay conservatives think….. if you need to see what gay people are thinking go over to AmericaBlog, comments aren’t censored there
Actually, John Aravosis has censored numerous gay conservatives and posters, myself included. It’s mostly people who point out how much he lies.
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Careful. Bruce hates ass prints on his door.
SF folks voted this onto themselves, right? So they have to live with the consequences, good and bad. San Franciscians have long shown their ability to do really dumb, self-destructive things. Years ago, I enjoyed an occasional trip there, but vowed to not return when I heard the mayor proclaim that the police wouldn’t arrest transients who c****d on the sidewalks. I think it was Willy Brown, but am not sure. Actually, I would be a little sad if the state Supreme Court strikes this new law down. Being gay isn’t a licence for lunacy, it just looks that way when you look at the folks in SF. The contrast between you and them is enormous. That’s what makes this blog and some other wear-my-sexuality-on-my-sleeve blogs that I enjoy so refreshing.
#15, #18, remember that censoring is something, by definition, that government does. When the publisher of a newspaper or blog decides what is or is not appropriate in his private domain, that’s called editing.
Open gun ownership would be great if everyone who owned/posessed a gun would be responsible. I applaud my friends who are in the NRA who are responsible owners, teach gun safety, hunt safely, etc.
Why is it though, that certain members of the NRA advocate ownership of any type of weapon by any person? I’m not bothered by people who have rifles for hunting, handguns for personal protection, etc. I would like to know how anyone in this country can justify or advocate the ownership of guns, such as fully automatic, magazine loaded weapons that are simply designed to kill a lot of people in a short amount of time.
Why is it that there are other countries, such as our evil neighbors to the North, Canada, who have a higher gun ownership per capita, yet the crimes committed with guns are relatively low?
#22 “Why is it that there are other countries, such as our evil neighbors to the North, Canada, who have a higher gun ownership per capita, yet the crimes committed with guns are relatively low?”
I donno. But it does sort of imply that it’s not a gun issue. 😉
I don’t think that many pro-gun people oppose education, training, or back ground checks or even reasonable waiting periods. One “problem” with our gun culture is that the pressure of disapproval results in a generation that gets its gun information from primarily from television. The gun culture is still *there* but it appeals mostly to stupid young men. Who get their information from television. Let’s just say that television almost always gets it wrong.
I hope to get a concealed carry permit and a gun someday. I can’t afford it right now, though. I haven’t decided which model is on my wish list, but I already know it’s not cheap. 😉
#13 — GCB previously used Freakonomics as his basis for arguing that society would have been better off if the kid I adopted had been aborted in utero.
#4 — Frank, you’re thinking like a right-winger, not a left-winger. A right-winger analyzes policy from the perspective of ‘what policy will produce the most beneficial outcome to the largest number of people.’ A left-winger analyzes policy from the perspective of ‘what will make me feel good about myself.’
For many leftists, politics and social policy are religion, not science. The value of a policy isn’t whether it works, but how faithful it is to left-wing dogma. Gun control is one example. Even lefties no it makes no rational sense to disarm law-abiding people for the benefit of criminals. But support for gun control is a test of whether one is true to the socialist faith. ANWR is another example. There is no rational reason for not drilling for oil in ANWR, but to environmentalists, ANWR is like one of those Muslim Holy Sites that is inviolable to infidels.
#15 AmericanBlog NOT censored?? What land have you been living in? I know, you meant to write: “Head on over there if you need to read what out-of-the-mainstream GayLeft types are repeating from the Democrat Underground, right Sorry?
AmericaBlog my ass. Both that sorry site and BlogActive have banned many conservative, sane, balanced gay conservative commentators… the intolerant, bigoted MikeR and JohnA working to whore the gay civil rights movement for Democrat candidates and fundraisers.
You got a lot of learning to do, Lucy.
#22 Kevin, I can answer that question ’cause I heard it right from the mouth of NRA leader Chuck Heston in 2001 at the Natl Convention: because if we outlaw those weapons we are discriminating against those owners who use the weapons responsibly, legally, prudently. And who’s weapons are next? The cross-bow hunter because it was a weapon that’s historically been used to kill people? The musket loader because it was used primarily in war? What’s next? Outlaw handguns that have lasers and sights? Outlaw semi-automatic hanguns because a single action revolver is perceived as more humane for the human target? We’ve tried getting rid of “Saturday nite specials” in our society; guess what, they’re still around and still killing liquor clerks in the ghetto. Only now they cost $375 instead of $45.
Where do we stop on the ban efforts? And why suspend constitutional rights on a class of weapons just to appease the political interests of the minority trying to enact a restriction because it feeds their political base?
And Kevin, for the record, you’re flat dead wrong on the Canadian gun ownership stat… along with the notion that America should ever look to Canada or France for an answer on ANYthing. But let’s leave that last point aside for now. Canada has 1/2 the ownership rate America does.
Half; not double. http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0115/p07s01-woam.html
And what’s more, the liberal Canadian govt got a lesson in how docile the citizens were about gun ownerhsip when it tried to enforce new gun registration/permitting laws. You’re wrong about our neighbor to the North.
Nope, only some leaders in Canada have the soft fuzzy liberal view on guns that parallels the American Left’s disdain for all things hunter and gun. But let’s not let the facts get in the way of banning weapons.
San Fran also voted to keep military leeches out of its schools….. I think it’s time to move there!
The problem with that is the singular “reason” for a highly complex result. It’s not a serious book.
The other problem is that the Second Amendment is absolute. Now, if you want to pass gun control legislation, we’ll just start passing speech control legislation, since according to the leftists speech is has harmful as a bullet, so you have to have a permit to exercise your First Amendment rights, and there’s a waiting list, and you can only exercise your rights once per month. How’s that?
The problem with that is the singular “reason” for a highly complex result. It’s not a serious book.
It’s a very serious book that you happen to disagree with. Again, they show correlaries in data and extrapolate most likely reasons. Have you read it? And if you have, can you cite some examples that disprove it?
The other problem is that the Second Amendment is absolute. Now, if you want to pass gun control legislation, we’ll just start passing speech control legislation,
Isn’t that the exact nature of amendments though – that’s it’s “in addition” to the constitution? And haven’t we added and also removed such things before, namely the 18th Amendment dealing with prohibition? Isn’t one of our more forefront issues in the gay community an amendment limiting marriage to heterosexual couples only? Amendments are hardly absolute.
#29 Lord knows we can’t trust young people to make important decisions about their lives. At least enlistment requires parental notification and approval for minors.
#32 — Zing!
LOL@Synova…….yup, in California, minors need parental consent to get their ears or body pierced or get a tattoo. The school nurse can’t even give them a Tylenol, or the emergency room treatment, without their parents being notified and allowing it.
But hwne it comes to an invasive surgical procedure like an abortion, usually the result of unprotected and dangerous sex……
4: I’m curious, what is the economic makeup of Montgomery County compared to Washington, DC? I used to live in MD and work in DC. To me, DC (aside from people either in Govt jobs or in jobs connected to the govt) always seemed to me to be a notriously impoverished city. Just what seems to be another linking of poverty to violence (something that seems apparent in the riots in France in the last few weeks).
33: If someone underage is having dangerous and unprotected sex, then aren’t the parents responsible because it’s an underage minor in their care who engaged in those acts? That then makes them criminals and it seems that it should be the person who’s pregnant to make the decision themselves rather than having to notify and/or get the permission of criminals who allowed it to happen in the first place.
PS – Notice tongue firmly planted in cheek…..
I have absolutely no problem with making parents responsible for the irresponsible and dangerous sexual acts carried out by their children. If it were handled like any other juvenile crime, where both the parents and the kid are held responsible for their actions, you’d see a LOT less of it — and that would be a very good thing.
But the abortion-pushers and the Democratic Party will fight that, because responsible parents limit teenage sex and pregnancies, and that drops the number of abortions — thus producing less money for abortion clinics and for Democratic politicians.
#15 – “if you need to see what gay people are thinking go over to AmericaBlog, comments aren’t censored there…”
No. Instead, at AmericaBlog, comments are taken out of context, exaggerated, and people viciously slandered or trashtalked.
Free speech has a price; it’s not free.
Program on the emergence of civilization.
“14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. ”
Favor.
And disfavor.
They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it’s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.
The roots of racism are not of this earth.
Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.
The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.
AIDS in Africa.
Organizational Heirarchy
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:
1. MUCK – perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as “god”
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
3. Evil/disfavored aliens – runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere
Terrestrial management:
4. Chinese/egyptians – this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
5. Romans – they answer to the egyptians
6. Mafia – the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician – Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.
Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.
Many Muslims are being used like the Germans and Japanese of WWII::being used to hurt others and envoke condemnation upon their people.
They can affect the weather and Hurricane Katrina was accomplished for many reasons and involves many interests, as anything this historical is::
1. Take heat off Sheenhan/Iraq, protecting profitable war machine/private war contracts
2. Gentrification. New Orleans median home price of $84k is among the lowest in major American cities, certainly among desirable cities.
Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying “He has more money than god.” There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says “I’m too old and rich for this.”
This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.
god is evil because of money.
I don’t want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe.
But they have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won’t help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.
The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, market domination being one clue, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.
I offer an example of historical proportions:::
People point to Walmart and cry “anti-union”.
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family’s problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an enviornment where there are fewer hurdles.
Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people’s belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with a lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.
The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.
I believe the coining of the term “Uncle Sam” was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton and WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.
Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals. Malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they “decided” who they didn’t want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren’t their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.
Royalty is the right way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient’s hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people.
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.
Jesus Christ is a religious figure of evil. These seperatist churches formed so they could still capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
And now they do it to people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.
Since Buddism doesn’t recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Chinese representation is instead selected by the thrones.
It was set up this way. Perhaps dyanstic thrones had a say, but maybe not.
Budda was the Asian’s Jesus Christ::: bad for the people. “They came up at the same time for a reason.”
Simpson’s foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. “Last one you ever suspect.”
“You’ll see lots of nuns where you’re going:::hell!!!” St. Wigham, Helloween VI, missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.
Jews maim the body formed in the image of “god”, and inflicted circumsision upon all other white people, as well as the evil that is Jesus Christ.
I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives that’s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their bondage in Egypt proves their disfavor. The Jew leaders decided to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of their pathology.
I believe Islam is the one true religion, and those misled christians who attack “god’s” most favored people will pay for it dearly one day.
#38 — Senator Byrd, we appreciate your insights.
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