‘Peace Mom’ Sheehan to Release Book – Washington Post
“I never wrote anything more than a note to excuse my kids from school before Casey was killed, so to see something I wrote in print with my name on it is amazing,” Sheehan told The Associated Press by phone from her home in Berkeley, Calif.
Sheehan plans to go on a book tour, but first she wants to resume her protest in Crawford this week as Bush spends Thanksgiving at his ranch.
“The Camp Casey movement will not die until we have a genuine accounting of the truth and until our troops are brought home,” she wrote. “Get used to it, George. We are not going away.”
I wonder what Momma Sheehan thinks about the 403-3 vote in the US House on Friday to keep troops in Iraq?
Notice there is no word in the WaPo article how much dough Sheehan’s coffers will be getting.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
Please provide at least one link with some verifiable proof that Cindy Sheehan is writing this book for nothing but money. (or indeed that her protests are simply about money and noteriaty)
It’s one thing to disagree with someone’s views, but it’s another to attempt to contemptuously dismiss people for daring to even have these views. Dissent is what built this country and it keeps us honest.
Hey, I’ve got it…perhaps the government should arrest and hold Cindy Sheehan without charge as an enemy combatant. Include daily tongue lashings by Anne Coulter.
Kind of gives a new meaning to the phrase ‘Cash Cow.’
great…an unsubtantiated comment thrown in with a mysoginist comment. Nice.
Perhaps she can dedicate her book to her “Freedom Fighters.*” “Go get ’em, boys! Allahu Akbar.”
* Or, “Minutemen,” as Kevin’s idol, Michael Moore, calls them.
and that’s 2 for 2, V.
Go for the hat trick V!
Kevin – Do you believe the content of Moore’s films?
I doubt that she’ll make a whole lot of money off the book. Publishing is funny that way. Do we know how much the advance was? If she earns out I’ll be very surprised. And it does seem that she spends whatever money she gets, so it’s not as though she’s building any wealth. Didn’t we hear not to long ago that she’d completely depleated Casey’s death benifits?
I believe the woman is entirely sincere. She’s sincerely stepping up on top of Casey’s grave mound, jumping up and down, and waving her arms for the privledge of promoting a cause entirely opposite what her son believed in. And the fact is, that if her son hadn’t died volunteering for that mission that day, no one would care what Cindy thought about anything. Without that grave mound to lift her up no one would notice her.
When she can’t figure out how to make any more money off Casey she’s going to have to go home and get a job.
Is that harsh? Sure. But the thing about creating meaning out of the death of someone close to you is that, usually, people try to create meaning according to what the dead person would have wanted. This isn’t creating meaning for *Casey*, it’s creating meaning for *Cindy*, and I think that’s dispicable.
Comment 1 – Kevin, your request makes no sense.
The post doesn’t say she is doing it for nothing but money. (I am quite sure she is doing it for other motives as well, such as attention / narcissism.)
Nonetheless, the presumption that she is getting some money for it, and that that’s ONE of her motives (thus cashing in), is intuitively quite strong. That’s usually how it works.
Thus, it would be up to her, or to you (not GP) to post a link with some verifiable proof that she is donating her profits to charity or otherwise NOT getting any money for it (and thus NOT cashing in).
I certainly do want to comment on a mother using her son’s death to pay her way in the world. Her son died a hero and she has done nothing but desecrate his memory.
What kind of a muther does that?
‘name ONE thing’
We have to sacrifice our sanity tolerating the fabricated lies and falsehoods perpetuated by the hate bushco crowd.
Bruce, at this point I don’t know if I should respond to anything of PP’s – are you now deleting all of his/her/its trash?
Arrgh! Hat Trick! Can’t take the pressure!
Um, Maybe her book will include a tell-all chapter about her night in the ditch with Al Sharpton. “and then he took me again, with all the power of an ape, but gently, gingerly… i let out a small gasp as he penetrated me. it was beautiful.” (I think David Duke and the rest of her buddies at Storm-Front would like the whole comparing Al Sharpton to an ape thing.)
Or, maybe a book on the Five New Stages of the Grieving Process:
Denial: Lying about what the president said when you met with him.
Publicity: Hiring a left-wing publicist to gain maximum media exposure to your grieving process.
Dishonoring: Claiming your loved one died “to spread the cancer of American Imperialism” and calling those who killed him, “freedom fighters.”
Delusion: Claiming that “the universe chose me to be the spark that has set off a raging inferno.”
Acceptance: As in, accepting an advance on your book deal.
Seriously, though. Cindy Sheehan bashes Bush, gets a book deal. Joe Wilson bashes Bush, gets a book deal. Mary Mapes, fabricates phony memos in order to bash Bush, gets a book deal. Michael Moore… entire career based on bashing Bush.
I thought the evil fascist BushCo Regime was ruthlessly crushing all dissent?
You forget VtK, challenging a liberal’s argument is crushing of dissent.
And you also forget – “Dissent is what built this country”.
In other words: criticizing, speaking, complaining, whining, telling others what they should be doing instead of what they are doing, etc. in themselves magically cause buildings to self-erect, constitutions to self-write, diseases to self-cure, prosperity and products and jobs to appear from nowhere, vicious enemies of freedom to suddenly disappear, etc.
The achievements of actual builders, thinkers, doctors, businesspeople and workers, soldiers, etc. are a myth. The notion of doers actually doing things which build the country, is a myth.
Only words matter – specifically, words of disagreement and complaint. Only they have constructive power – never deeds of construction.
Isn’t the fact that all she’d ever written for her son was a few excuse notes prove she was an unfit mother??? Didn’t she care that her son needed more than a few notes? My mom was much better. When we were late for school, she wouldn’t write the excuse notes at all, so we had to write them ourselves, which:
A). helped improve our creative writing skills by requiring us to come up with a reasonable excuse for why we were late, and
B). taught us how to be practical yet savvy and forge the excuse note and parental signature, which helps us survive in the liberal “reality based” world, where everybody lies tells falsehoods to get what they want.
I don’t know if she was an unfit mother or not. I’m not taking any position that she was.
What I do know is: Since Casey’s death, she has done everything in her power to erase what he stood for, and make his death in vain. It’s “all about her”, all the time.
9: The statement in the original posting by gay patriot is perfectly clear: He wants to create the illusion (even though he has no proof) that this book is being written for money and that the Washington Post (being a liberal rag of course) neglected to inform the public how much she’s lining her pockets with at the expense of her son’s death.
7: No, I don’t believe everything Michael Moore says. Nor do I believe everything George Bush says, nor John Kerry, Nor John McCain, Nor Barbra Streisand, Nor Dick Cheney, the list goes on.
I do give him credit, though, for going straight to the sources and asking them point blank the questions that are on the minds of many Americans. I think he’s a bit off base, sometimes wrong and sometimes goes too far in his questioning. I just think it’s funny actually that some conservatives look to him as somehow being something akin to Satan. Of course, it’s also my belief that some conservatives (including our current Pres and Vice-Pres) seem to believe that no one in the country has the right question them, their motives or their actions.
I’m wondering why some of the people here who keep rattling off his name haven’t considered someone else, after all this Michael Moore name dropping is getting old. Why not go after Jon Stewart and the Daily Show? Their take on things appears to be quite liberal and I find them delightfully seditious.
Kevin, again:
ALL books are written/published for money among other things….and it is indeed the case that the “Washington Post…a liberal rag…neglected to inform the public how much she’s lining her pockets with at the expense of her son’s death.”
Unless you have heard that she is donating her profits to charity? Pray enlighten us, if you have.
#21 — ’m wondering why some of the people here who keep rattling off his name haven’t considered someone else, after all this Michael Moore name dropping is getting old.
Because, Kevin, in the past week you have repeated two Michael Moore lies as though they were facts. 1.) The OBL was on kidney dialysis and 2.) that Bush went to war in Afghanistan to secure an oil pipeline. Is it just a mere coincidence that these were just two of the many lies in Fahrenheit 9-11?
Also, neither time did you concede your error, just as you never specified which of the people GP and GPW have expressed support for “would be perfectly happy to see us exterminated.”
Since you began this thread by demanding facts and specificity from GP, you ought to be willing to back up your own statements.
Kevin wrote:
“I’m wondering why some of the people here who keep rattling off his name haven’t considered someone else, after all this Michael Moore name dropping is getting old. Why not go after Jon Stewart and the Daily Show?”
Don’t mean to butt in, but I think the answer is simple. JS is performing satire and, though his views are liberal leaning, he does not present the information on “The Daily Show” as fact, where as MM, even when it can be shown he has info that is to the contrary, presents his films and books as fact. This would be like saaying a monologue from Jay Leno is the same as the news presented on Pacifica Radio.
24: Are you aware though that even though The Daily Show is comedy, satire, etc., numbers show that it’s a growing as a source of news for Americans? (I don’t know if that’s good or bad). Yes, by the way, I have (like other millions of Americans) watched some of Moore’s movies and frankly there are some very satirical moments in them as well.
From CNN.com:
That moved Arnie Kotler, the founder of a Hawaii publishing company who saw news coverage and read Sheehan’s Internet blog entries from the protest.
“I thought, ‘This is already a book. This is incredible,”‘ said Kotler of Koa Books, which printed about 20,000 copies. “We got it done as quickly as we could, and the deepest reason is to stop the war.”
From the AP:
It is the first book published by Koa Books, which printed 20,000 copies so far. Sheehan was paid a “modest” advance and will receive royalties from sales, said Arnie Kotler, the Hawaii publishing company’s founder.
He said he was moved when he saw news coverage of Sheehan camping out on a rural Texas roadside, refusing to leave until the president met with her or ended his ranch vacation. Kotler, whose company will publish books on progressive politics and personal transformation, then read Sheehan’s Internet blog entries from the protest.
“I thought, `This is already a book. This is incredible,'” Kotler said. “We got it done as quickly as we could, and the deepest reason is to stop the war.”
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Funny how CNN leaves out her “modest advance” and royalties in their story?
23: First of all: Read my post again about the Taliban / Afghanistan. I commented that the Bush administration was cozy with the Taliban leadershp regarding the pipeline in Afghanistan right up until Sept 11, 2001. *nowhere* do I say we went to war in Afghanistan to seize control of it. I firmly believe that we went there in the first place after 9/11 to find Bin Laden.
Secondly: Both of these issues you mentioned were reported by several news organizations long before MM made Fahrenheit 9/11, one of those being in a report from the U.S. Army. Officially, yes, the question of Bin Laden’s health has been an issue, but it was known he has had bad health to some degree for years.
The point on each: 1) It seems our government (no matter who is leading it at the time) seems to have had a lot of shady dealings with not-so-nice people… 2) That for all this kick ass talk from our President, we have yet to capture Bin Laden after 4 years.
I think the real truth is that “winning a war on terror” is extremely difficult to do….undefinable structure, undefinable locations, etc. It was much, much easier to go into a defined country, with a defined dictator and oust him out of power. All well and good that we got this guy who Bush noted “He tried to kill my dad!”, but what about getting the guy who actually masterminded the death of thousands of Americans on our own soil and in other attacks? Perhaps we would have a little more info on him, had the White House not flown members of his family out of the country 2 days after 9/11 while commercial air traffic was grounded for everyone else. (and that bit of info also came from several news sources prior to the release of “F 9/11”, including, I might add, the conservative Washington Times in 2003. There was also an excellent, detailed and researched article on this topic in Vanity Fair as well.)
Perhaps we would have a little more info on him, had the White House not flown members of his family out of the country 2 days after 9/11 while commercial air traffic was grounded for everyone else.
Another MM lie. Do we really need to go over this again?
Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. You need to deal in facts not Moorite fantasy. Take a look at the factcheck.org entry on the “Bin Laden family spirited out of the country” fabrication here. http://www.factcheck.org/article294.html Quoting the 9/11 comission report, it clearly refutes your statement “had the White House not flown members of his family out of the country 2 days after 9/11 while commercial air traffic was grounded for everyone else.” Your claims to being a simple truth seeker become less and less credible every time cite easily disproven “facts” in support of your arguments. If you are indeed serious about debate and discussion here, you need to deal in facts not slander and insinuation. You’ve done this sort of thing several times recently and I suspect one more incident will firmly place you in “ignore, ranting troll” territory.
#25
Are you aware though that even though The Daily Show is comedy, satire, etc., numbers show that it’s a growing as a source of news for Americans? (I don’t know if that’s good or bad).
You don’t know? How freakin’ sad is that?
Look out Kevin!
Those black helicopters are coming to take you away to the gay death camp!
“Did I say death camp? I meant happy camp!”
Kevin, in his own words: “I commented that the Bush administration was cozy with the Taliban leadershp regarding the pipeline in Afghanistan right up until Sept 11, 2001.”
Which is factually the opposite of the truth. Have you been able to admit that yet, Kevin?
But then, over time, we’re seeing a pattern emerge where you can’t admit anything, no matter how demonstrably wrong you were on the facts, and no matter how much you claim to want to respect them.
Kevin, in his own words: “Perhaps we would have a little more info on him, had the White House not flown members of his family out of the country 2 days after 9/11 while commercial air traffic was grounded for everyone else.”
Yes Kevin, and did you know who made that decision? Did you know who flew them out? Richard Clarke, a Clinton appointee whom Bush had kept on, and who later turned on Bush with a splash in 2004. Richard Clarke flew the bin Ladin relatives out of the country, Kevin; you can easy verify it or look it up through Google. What do you think of that?
Kevin said:
“24: Are you aware though that even though The Daily Show is comedy, satire, etc., numbers show that it’s a growing as a source of news for Americans? (I don’t know if that’s good or bad). Yes, by the way, I have (like other millions of Americans) watched some of Moore’s movies and frankly there are some very satirical moments in them as well.”
That is bad. Very Bad! What you’re saying is that people are forming a world opinion on programing that isn’t eventrying to be a news provider. If we keep dumbing down the quality of information provided to the public, the quality of governance will continue to decline as well. And I’m not being partisan here. Lets face it. We have some crappy leadership on both sides of the isle. A better informed public won’t let politicians get away with as much crap. I am not saying that all politicians are bad and don’t care about us, it’s just that the higher the elected office, the more isolated the politician becomes. With the current system where the lobyist is the closest most long serving politicians get to his or her constituants, it’s inevidable. Again I will argue that the internet community and bloggers is destine to become the great equalizer in politics.
P.S. At the risk of repeating the obvious – we are seeing that:
(1) Kevin believe(d/s) OBL was on kidney dialysis.
(2) Kevin believe(d/s) that Bush went to war in Afghanistan to secure an oil pipeline.
(3) Kevin believe(d/s), quite contrary to reality and with NO evidence furnished, that (his words) “the Bush administration was cozy with the Taliban…right up until Sept 11, 2001.”
(4) Kevin believe(d/s) that winning the War on Terror is about ‘getting’ an individual, bin Ladin; rather than about bringing democracy and hope to several horribly dysfunctional countries of the region (beginning the effort with Afghanistan and Iraq).
(5) Kevin believe(d/s) that Bush appointees, and not Clinton appointees such as Richard Clarke, were responsible for flying bin Ladin’s family out of the country after 9-11.
What do they have in common? – All 5 are deceits from Michael Moore land – from Fahrenheit 9-11 and Moore’s (or also MoveOn.org’s) website comments.
Kevin, I think there’s no question – in other words, you may as well NOT try to hide it – that Michael Moore is, in fact, a major “source” for you.
Again in your own words, “I do give [Michael Moore] credit…I have (like other millions of Americans) watched some of Moore’s movies…”, except those would appear to be understatements.
Kevin, You really need to read this. Thoroughly. It takes awhile, but is worth it. The author is a libertarian former supporter of Ralph Nader.
Finally – Kevin, you say “it’s also my belief that some conservatives (including our current Pres and Vice-Pres) seem to believe that no one in the country has the right question them, their motives or their actions.”
This is easily refutable through, again, the facts. Here are Cheney’s own words on the subject:
“I do not believe it is wrong to criticize the war on terror or any aspect thereof. Disagreement, argument, and debate are the essence of democracy, and none of us should want it any other way. For my part, I’ve spent a career in public service, run for office eight times — six statewide offices and twice nationally. I served in the House of Representatives for better than a decade, most of that time as a member of the leadership of the minority party. To me, energetic debate on issues facing our country is more than just a sign of a healthy political system — it’s also something I enjoy…
“For those of us who don’t mind debating, there’s plenty to keep us busy these days, and it’s not likely to change any time soon. On the question of national security, feelings run especially strong, and there are deeply held differences of opinion on how best to protect the United States and our friends against the dangers of our time. Recently my friend and former colleague Jack Murtha called for a complete withdrawal of American forces now serving in Iraq, with a drawdown to begin at once. I disagree with Jack and believe his proposal would not serve the best interests of this nation. But he’s a good man, a Marine, a patriot — and he’s taking a clear stand in an entirely legitimate discussion.
“Nor is there any problem with debating whether the United States and our allies should have liberated Iraq in the first place. Here, as well, the differing views are very passionately and forcefully stated. But nobody is saying we should not be having this discussion, or that you cannot reexamine a decision made by the President and the Congress some years ago. To the contrary, I believe it is critical that we continue to remind ourselves why this nation took action, and why Iraq is the central front in the war on terror, and why we have a duty to persevere.
“[All that] is not legitimate — and what I will again say is dishonest and reprehensible — is the suggestion by some U. S. senators that the President of the United States or any member of his administration purposely misled the American people on pre-war intelligence.”
Bush believes likewise and has said so in many referencable public speeches.
Thank you for coming here, Kevin. I hope you take the time to actually UNDERSTAND and ABSORB new, accurate information.
I can’t think of anything new to say about Cindy Sheehan and want to associate myself with the comments of Synova, #8, PatriotMom, #10, VtheK, #14, and Calarato, #19. Good contributions by all.
#33
I saw John Stewart on O’Reilly, I think it was, last year before the elections. I can’t remember his words exactly, but essentially he said that anyone who looked to The Daily Show for news and information was a moron. There was also a comparison of people who believed his show and pot heads.
#34
Not to mention that neither Kevin nor any other liberal can provide any examples of proof that the Bush administration actively supresses “dissent”.
They look at the people who are sick of their shit and blame Bush for trying to squash their “opinion”. Interestingly, there’s not a word, though, about their precious Capital Hillbillie’s efforts to supress those who opposed them.
#37 – It’s true in my own experience that, with some Left-liberals, if you so much as express your disagreement with them articulately and put them at a loss (like you have a good point), you are then a fascist “crusher of dissent” who “makes America scary”! 🙂
#34 — Excellent. Is there an animal that’s the natural enemy of the weasel? If so, you are such an animal.
Looked it up. ” Weasels have few natural enemies of significance except possibly the horned owl and marten.”
Your pick.
28: You guys need to get beyond Michael Moore. A few of you here ascribe every anti-conservative statement/position to this guy. Why is he your whipping boy? You know that there are a number of things he said that have been said/reported in other places long before he put them in his film. I saw/read several articles on the evacauation of the Sauds/Bin Ladens LONG before Mr. Moore put them in his movie (and PS, I don’t read Michael Moore’s website, as I’m sure it would be quite convenient for many of you to believe).
34: Yes, the best exercise people get in supporting these days is backtracking / Clinton blaming. Each point you made attempts to make up an excuse to distance Bush/his staff from claims and comments that they made.
1) Already made my statements there
2) Ditto. Now 2 of you had made a false claim on a statement I made. Do you see only what you want to see to fit your agenda?
3) Look it up. Oil company deals, $43Million gift by the US government to the Taliban in May of 2001, even though we knew of their friendliness to terrorists (including anti-women / anti-human rights policies)
4) I’m sorry, I guess I must have been watching doctored videos of Bush’s speeches / comments in cabinet meetings on the news back in 2001/2002 – long before F 9/11 was made.
5) Excuse me – but wasn’t Clark in the employ of the Bush administration on Sept 11 2001? I wasn’t aware that Clinton still had the power to employ people in the government to do his nefarious bidding after he left office.
So, Kevin, would you be able to cite or link to those other articles that were spouting conspiracy theories “LONG before Mr. Moore put them in his movie?”
What Kevin said:“Wasn’t it our Republican led government who was quite cozy with the Taliban (regarding the pipeline through Afghanistan) from the time Bush took power right up until 9/11/01?”
What the truth is: Unocal abandoned the pipeline idea in 1998.
And, technically, the $43M to the Taliban lie originated with Robert Scheer, although Michael ‘the Hutt’ Moore was instrumental in spreading it. The truth is, the $43M was humanitarian aid for famine relief, and it was a grant to UN relief agencies, not the Taliban.
Beginning in the late 1990s, the United States was the primary donor of humanitarian aid to Afghanistan related-relief, and the Bush administration, like the Clinton administration before it, authorized relief aid that the World Food Program requested.
Moreover, the $43 million didn’t go directly to the Taliban nor was it in the form of cash. In reality, the United States authorized the shipment of $43 million in food and other supplies to United Nations famine relief efforts that were based in Pakistan at the time. In fact, at the time Colin Powell was explicit in saying that the relief aid would “bypass the Taliban, who have done little to alleviate the suffering of the Afghan people, and indeed have done much to exacerbate it.”
So, Kevin, what’s your next move? Retract or weasel?
Take some deep breaths Kevin, read some of the stuff you’ve been advised to read, and let the penny drop over time.
Always remember: Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.
PS. I believe it was none other than Bush Hater and liar Richard Clark who gave the order to let the Bin Laden’s leave the country. I could be wrong though. It happens.
you guys are using facts again liberals HATE facts when they are talking out their arse……….”facts are not important” a liberal blogger wrote that on another blog when it comes to attacking our president………….and they wonder why they lose elections
#47 – I have observed that in liberal circles, the standard of argument is to come up with the most outrageous Bush-Bash. Hence, facts and reason are not familiar tools to them.
liberals also care a great deal about polls…. (good bad or indifferent i they they are so pointless)……… how you expect to get any accurate idea of how the country thinks from polling about a 1,000 ppl with a population of over 217 million over the age of 18 is beyond me……..to put that into perspective 4 months beofre the election in 84 1 poll had Reagan and Mondale nearly dead even
Liberals are pretty selective in their use of polls. When polls show 65% of the population is against the Iraq war, well, that settles it! The war is wrong, we have to pull out immediately. The people have spoken!
But when polls show 70% of the population opposes same-sex marriage, Screw ’em! Just use the courts to force it on ’em whether they like it or not!
Given his substantial history of citing/relying on fabricated “facts”, I move that we grant Kevin official Ranting Trollweasel status and treat any future posts with the level of respect appropriate. Anyone care to second?
50: I don’t necessarily believe in polls myself, yet now the numbers are looking very anti-Bush and anit-war. If polls are so unimportant, then why is Pres. Bush spending so much time responding to them these days?
44: Yes, that’s very true that Unocal abandoned it in 98, but other oil interests were working on ways in getting involved with it, through the Bush administration. As far as the aid packages, let’s see how that money to Afghanistan was actually distributed, does someone have access to that? I’ve noticed here and other conservative sites, that people love to bash the U.N left, right and center, most notably the whole food for oil mess in Iraq. Any chance the Taliban might have done the same thing with the aid that was supposed to go to the Afghani people?
43: No, but Bush was caputred on video making these dumbass comments without the help of conspiracy theorists. How exactly does a video record of the man saying these words in his own voice translate to a written statement made by conspiracy theorists? Maybe i was mistaken just a few skant months ago when we had the biggest natural disaster in the history of the nation and I watched him on several news outlets blather on about his binges in the French Quarter.
37: Sorry, you’re not get an argument from on that one…both have done it along with several other presidents, both republican and democrat over the decades; Nixon of course being the most infamous. How about Bush’s so called “town meetings” where citizens are invited to ask questions. Funny thing is, everyone who wished to attend had to be a supporter of Bush to gain entry.
A lot of time and energy is spent here trying to absolve Bush of his reponsibility of actually being the president of the US.
51. Bring it on. Perhaps gay patriot can turn this into a private, password protected site so y’all can just gather for your mutual admiration society and don’t have to deal with pesky debate on the issues. I originally took a look at this site so I could get some understanding about why gay people support conservative (and sometimes) ultra-conservative beliefs. It’s clear many here are not interested in hearing others comments or beliefs to the point where posters such as VtheK and ThatGayConservative will happily spew forth the most vicious bile they can when they can’t think of anything else to say. Cheers! Hope all you Roy Cohns, J. Edgar Hoovers and Karl Roves out there enjoy it while it lasts.
It’s clear many here are not interested in hearing others comments or beliefs to the point where posters such as VtheK and ThatGayConservative will happily spew forth the most vicious bile they can when they can’t think of anything else to say.
Oh da*n! Somebody actually wants for you to back up your wild claims and debunked liberal BS. Pitty we’re not your douchebag liberal choir buddies, eh?
Kevin, you seem to take pride in your status as a Ranting Trollweasel.
You have claimed the following: (courtesy of Calarato)
(1) Kevin believe(d/s) OBL was on kidney dialysis.
(2) Kevin believe(d/s) that Bush went to war in Afghanistan to secure an oil pipeline.
(3) Kevin believe(d/s), quite contrary to reality and with NO evidence furnished, that (his words) “the Bush administration was cozy with the Taliban…right up until Sept 11, 2001.”
(4) Kevin believe(d/s) that winning the War on Terror is about ‘getting’ an individual, bin Ladin; rather than about bringing democracy and hope to several horribly dysfunctional countries of the region (beginning the effort with Afghanistan and Iraq).
(5) Kevin believe(d/s) that Bush appointees, and not Clinton appointees such as Richard Clarke, were responsible for flying bin Ladin’s family out of the country after 9-11.
You have yet to back up any of the above but do continue to claim that at least some of these false statements are true by saying things like:
“Yes, that’s very true that Unocal abandoned it in 98, but other oil interests were working on ways in getting involved with it, through the Bush administration.”
Any concrete proof of anything that actually happened? “Working on it” doesn’t count. If you disagree, may I suggest investing in my venture to reclaim lost funds belonging to the former Nigerian Oil Minister currently in a Swiss bank. With my help and your cash, we can “work on” ways to get over $5,000,000!!!
“No, but Bush was caputred on video making these dumbass comments without the help of conspiracy theorists.”
Care to actually cite or link to said comments? We have a practice of doing that sort of thing on this blog. See dumbass positions 1-5 above for an example.
It seems that a lot of time and energy is spent here by Kevin trying to absolve himself of his reponsibility for making false accusations. It’s much easier and more effective to rely on facts. I am always happy to engage in an honest debate. Someday, perhaps you will be too.
Kevin, you seem to take pride in your status as a Ranting Trollweasel.
Just come right out and tell him that he’s being a whiney bitch and get it over with.
BTW, where is that pipeline?
You’d think we’d have it by now, if that’s why we went to Afghanistan. Between Afghanistan and Iraq, you’d think we’d be swimming in oil and could just let the carribou have the 1.5 million acres of ANWR that was already set aside for petroleum exploration.
Comment 56 – “BTW, where is that pipeline?”
The “legitimate resistance of the Afghanistani people” – namely, Taliban and terrorist butchers – have raised the effective cost of building the pipeline from $30.00 million to $30.05 million and thus halted the greedy, evil advance of UnocalBusHitlerCheneyburton.
Now let’s all cheer the Taliban and terrorist remnants for doing that – even though we are on the side of human rights, gay rights, women’s rights, America and democracy, aren’t we?
#52 — posters such as VtheK and ThatGayConservative will happily spew forth the most vicious bile they can when they can’t think of anything else to say
You mean, like when we get all pissy and start name-calling when someone challenges to cite a source other than Michael Moore for the dishonest propaganda we’ve been spewing?
Oh, wait … that’s you!