There’s quite a damning piece up at TownHall.com by David Limbaugh regarding the SurrenderCrats’ two latest “Unhinged Liberals.”
Unlike our president, who spent Martin Luther King Day paying respectful tribute to MLK and Abraham Lincoln, Democratic Party notables, Hillary Clinton and Albert Gore, used the holiday as another opportunity to character-assassinate President George W. Bush.
If one could momentarily suspend his powers of discernment, he could almost sympathize with a woman saddled with the dilemma of trying to sound reasonable without permanently alienating that cabal of reliably unreasonable malcontents. But alas, Hillary obviously has no real beef with her base on principle, and from time to time, it insists she demonstrate her loyalty by paying homage to its cynicism and hysteria.
But as regrettable as Hillary’s remarks were, they were anemic compared to the rantings of that poster boy for instability Albert Gore, who, you may recall with horror, came within one state’s electoral vote of being president.
After accusing President Bush of virtual tyranny and depicting America as on the brink of ruin, Gore closed by protesting, “I am filled with optimism that America is on the eve of a golden age … ”
Old Albert could have fooled me. He sounds more like George Bernard Shaw’s description of a pessimist — one who “thinks everybody is as nasty as himself, and hates them for it.”
Either way, I just hope Albert and Hillary continue to spread their contagious optimism between now and November 2008.
Despite the wails of protest I received with this posting a couple weeks ago…. I would like to pose this question yet again: When does protesting and complaining turn into sedition, treason and emboldening our enemies?
Seems to me Al Gore would be in jail today under any other President in a time of war. I don’t know about you, but I’m happy to sacrifice Al Gore’s civil liberties to protect the Republic and the Constitution as a whole.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
I take pride in being one of those citizen’s of Gore’s home state who took our electoral votes away from the freak. I had liked him for years until the 2000 campaign when I really thought he had lost his soul. He’s been rolling downhill ever since.
I can’t believe he would have been this traitorous if he had won. My choice of presidential candidate has always won so I may not comprehend the bitterness of the losers in this country on either side. I’m just given the sad impression that America can only be appreciated by the Left when it can be USED for their specific objectives. When America fails to cooperate, they’d just as soon see it destroyed. I can’t imagine saying I would “run to Canada” when I didn’t get my way. How can one’s citizenship be so worthless? When did patriotism become so discardable?
Yeah, Bruce!
Clearly, if “they hate us for our freedoms”, what we need are fewer freedoms!
What we need to do is repeal the Bill of Rights during wartime (or, indefinately, since the “Global Struggle Against Violent Extremists” is ongoing). Only by quashing free speech entirely and jailing anyone who disagrees with the Supreme Commander in Chief, can we save the free Republic of freedom and liberty. And freedom. Freedom from Free Speech! Yeah!
#0 – When does protesting and complaining turn into sedition, treason and emboldening our enemies? Seems to me Al Gore would be in jail today under any other President in a time of war.
Bruce, from the Concise Oxford English Dictionary:
sedition = “conduct or speech inciting rebellion”
treason = “the crime of betraying one’s country, esp. by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government”
Now, per this GPW post, what Al Gore has done is this: Accuse the President of breaking the law, with the NSA wiretaps.
Al Gore is obviously an idiot and wrong (as discussed in that thread and elsewhere). However:
Is being an idiot and wrong, per se an attempt to overthrow the government? – Is accusing the President of breaking the law, however dumbly or incorrectly, in itself an attempt to incite rebellion?
Answer: Not where I come from. Sorry man.
If anything, it proves we’re a democracy – and that “Death Camp Kevin” and other Left-liberal whiners are just that – whiners (hardly brave “dissenters”).
I like, or at least I have to prefer, that state of affairs. I would rather be able to look at those people and know they’re dumb whiners because none of them are being jailed or remotely ever would be, than the opposite.
Now, does that mean we (the sane people) must then spend some time swatting down their bullcrap? Yes… that’s democracy at work. “The worst system of government, except for all the others” (Churchill).
As for whether President Lincoln would have locked up Al Gore during the Civil War – I have 2 questions about that, both empirical or sincere:
(1) Didn’t the people Lincoln locked up actually incite rebellion? (unlike Gore, Reid, Hillary as yet)
(2) Today, under the war with the terrorists, is “government of the people, by the people, for the people” facing the same degree of threat as in the 1860s American Civil War?
When does protesting and complaining turn into sedition, treason and emboldening our enemies?
One answer might be when the NYT informs terrorists that the NSA is wiretapping their contacts with Al Qaeda, … leading to sudden and massive purchases of untraceable disposable cell phones.
This is no different than if the NYT had informed the Nazis in WWII that the Allies had broken the Enigma Code and were listening in on Nazi communications.
I promise you, GP, Al Gore is more dangerous in prison than he is on the outside.
In prison, he becomes a martyr. Like Tookie Williams, no matter what he does, it will be spun as the justifiable actions of a man being oppressed by “the system”.
Outside prison and allowed to speak freely, he becomes a walking billboard for the Democrats’ hypocrisy, inanity on foreign affairs, and reliance on ranting and hatred instead of real solutions.
You omit the rather inconvenient fact that when Hillary said her comments before a large room filled primarily with black Americans, she was greeted with thunderous applause. And that Hillary did not just “attack Bush”, she has the whole GOP leadership in her sights. It’s a fact that the majority of black Americans do not trust Bush or the GOP. And of course Bush’s promises of massive amounts of funds to help primely black communities in New Orleans are actually protested by his own Party. Giving lip service to MLK day once a year is about all they hear from him or the GOP. The GOP cares much more about white Evangelicals than it does about black Americans. The latter it has simply written off as unobtainable. The truth of the matter is that the majority of black Americans simply don’t think Bush or the GOP is sincere when it comes to equality. And thats not because they have been brainwashed or are seditious as you wish to imply. It’s because the GOP has never put equality for all Americans as a priority in its agenda. Instead they have always been the party of exclusion. They are the champions of limiting civil liberties, not expanding them. Their only contribution to the topic is that by having unlimited economic freedom, you can become prosperous enough to buy your civil liberties from your own government. Never mind the concept of unalienable rights derived from the Creator.
No doubt you will attempt to refute this by pointing out this or that individual Republican who has contributed to equality for black Americans. But they are still the exception, not the rule, when it comes to the GOP. Thats just an ugly truth about the state of the Republican Party. Get used to it or do something about it, but you can’t deny it.
LOL at the idea of jailing Al Gore to protect the Constitution because he practiced freedom of speech. Note that Limbaugh did not reply to the substance of Gore’s remarks ,except to call him wrong and to cite unnamed sources. In fact, I haven’t seen anyone on this site respond to any of Gore’s speech except the business about wiretaps.
Already, the majority of Americans oppose the Iraq war and do not believe Bush is honest. The notion that someone should be jailed for stating, albeit in fiery form, the majority view is scary.
I remember during the Vietnam War how often extremists called for the jailing of protesters for “treason.” It was ridiculous then and it’s ridiculous now.
The truth of the matter is that the majority of black Americans simply don’t think Bush or the GOP is sincere when it comes to equality.
That has more to do with their definition of equality being out of line with reality than it does lack of commitment on the Bush administration’s part or on Republicans’ part.
Republicans make the mistake of assuming that when blacks scream for “equality”, that means they want to be equal. As Nagin shows, “equality” in the black community means they get BETTER than do whites.
Amazing, isn’t it? Giving people advantages based on skin color used to be called “racism”. Now, it’s called “equality”.
And thats not because they have been brainwashed or are seditious as you wish to imply. It’s because the GOP has never put equality for all Americans as a priority in its agenda.
Uh huh. That’s why, when the Bush administration appoints black Americans to first-ever posts like Secretary of State and National Security Advisor, black activists call them “house slaves”. Or, look up Maryland Lieutenant-Governor Michael Steele and see how Democrats encourage blacks to pelt him with Oreos, post racist pictures of him, and illegally obtain copies of his personal information.
Democrats have done a wonderful job of brainwashing the black community, far better than they have even gays.
#8 follow-on – It’s because the GOP has never put equality for all Americans as a priority in its agenda.
LOL.
PeaceOut’s full ignorance revealed when you consider that it was the GOP who abolished slavery in the first place and established the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments. They “never” fought for black equality? Those 300,000 Union/GOP soldier lives didn’t count?
Conversely, it was the Democrats who upheld and fought for slavery, as well as Jim Crow as late as the 1960s.
And today the Democrats, as NDT noted, are still out keep blacks conveniently segregated via Government-induced poverty, welfarism, bad schools, etc. (Ted Kennedy famously authored the so-called “Bush” Education bill that drastically increased the federal government’s role in education, to education’s detriment.)
Bruce, I hope you’re joking. To suggest that political dissent is treason really crosses the line.
Anyway, Tipper is probably the only person who really thinks Al Gore’s opinions are relevant.
I don’t know about you, but I’m happy to sacrifice Al Gore’s civil liberties to protect the Republic and the Constitution as a whole.
Bruce, I wouldn’t even be happy to sacrifice your civil liberties to protect the Republic or the Constitution as a whole.
Al-Queda might like it though….
No, Bruce, I think it’s a sign of the greatness of the Republic that a miserable, ranting man like Gore is allowed to spew his dishonest venom in public fora. That we allow such malicious maligners the freedom to criticize our government, no matter what their motivations. I don’t think Gore is a traitor so much as an unhappy man, projected his own unresolved inner conflicts onto the president.
Gore has not yet gotten over his 2000 loss. And more, he has not yet realized how he has failed to achieve his own father’s goals for him. Had he perhaps realized that he didn’t want to be president so much as he wanted to fulfill paternal fantasies, he might better adjust to his own life — and better comment on the world situation. And might even feel more at home in this world. (He would likely be less bitter in his public commentary and more at peace with his own life.)
The same principles which give this unhappy man the freedom to criticize give me the freedom to speculate as to his psychosis.
I’m just trying to be thought-provoking. 🙂
But consider what type of person you want to be your Commander In Chief in a war that was declared against America. I’d rather have one who errs on the side of protecting American lives, then who errs on the side of protecting the ACLU’s phantom “civil liberties” (that haven’t been trampled by the Patriot Act).
God– you people make me sick — Can you please join the American Taliban now and get it over with. Sign off on all your freedoms – you lemmings. Bush can do no wrong according to u….sad…so sad. I can’t think of one thing he’s done right – not one?? Everything he touches turns to shit. Al Gore hit the nail on the head with is speech…at least he truly care about America and Americans. Notice he did NOT have a Teleprompter – I didn’t hear any “uhhhs, Umms….arrh….dahhhh” Bush couldn’t speak himself out of a wet paper bag. You people are so sad…..Why don’t you all just give up every right you have now. I’ve NEVER met any Gay person who backs Everything Bush does….I only see it on here. Go eat some pussy…and join the AFA…..you seem to back them more then your own people.
Last time I checked Al Gore had been repudiated by America –by the voters of his own state, by informed voters throughout the country, by the (is this an oxymoron?) intelligentsia of the Democrat Party, by responsible mainstream political pundits, by a majority of his former journalism students and even by monks who took vows of poverty.
So what’s the big deal? He isn’t being treasonous or seditious. Just stupid. Liberal lawyers who ferret information from their jailed clients to terrorist intermediaries are treasonous. Let’s keep the eye on the ball and not diminish the meaning of treason. It’s happening in the real world everyday.
The one good thing about Al Gore is that he helps us forget the rantings and ravings of HowieWeScream4Dean. There are reasons why college students –who are generally the least informed voters in statewide elections—listen to and like Al Gore, HowieDean, and JohnEdwards; they keep it simple for the students, provide a focus for empathy with the world’s poor and country’s downtrodden, and pander to ancient conspiracy theories still taught by professors in some polisci classes.
If Al Gore goes to jail for treason, I want the cell next to him; he’s cheaper than cable and far funnier than JonStewart.
Ah, but you see, JRC, you and your fellow liberal gays give money to those who support the FMA and stripping gays of rights, and you call them both “pro-gay” and “gay-supportive”.
You’re not interested in gay rights. You’ll sign them away in a heartbeat when Al Gore asks you to, like with DOMA, or with his kissying up to Fred Phelps, or when HRC and its cabal of Democratic lobbyists order you to cough up money to support John Kerry’s antigay campaign.
Gore is not known for his oratory skills, then neither is GWB, but every so often, even Gore can surprise me. Everything Gore said in his MLK speech is unfortunately true. We have an administration that believes it is above the law by continually circumventing it like FISA. Another GWB method commonly used is to appoint incompetent cronies. It’s obvious to almost everyone that GWB and his sidekick want to restore the imperial presidency, even if that is at odds with what the Constitution requires in its separation of powers. But, hey, if you’re a patriot, little things like spying on your own citizens must be right, otherwise GWB wouldn’t have done it.
N.B. The canard that Carter and Clinton did the same thing is bogus Drudge. No one knows where Drudge resurrected this nonsense, but neither the Blog nor MSM can find instances.
Word to the wise: DSH = Stephen
Actually, the truth of the matter is that Clinton and Carter had the same authority to conduct warrantless wiretaps: an authority specifically asserted by Jamie Gorelick in testimony before Congress in 1994. Now the left, absurdly, argues that the fact that they had the authority doesn’t count because they didn’t use it. (And perhaps if they had, 9-11 could have been averted. But Billy was too busy getting his chubby waxed and Gorelick was too busy making sure law enforcement and intelligence could never share any information on suspected terrorists.)
Note: Carnivore and Echelon, which were not targeted on a specific group of terrorists but were much broader in their eavesdropping scope, were used under the Clinton Administration (with not a peep from the ACLU). Note also that the Clinton Administration abused the IRS to investigate political opponents, without a peep from “civil libertarians,” and Senate Democrats continue to block publication of the Barrett Report which details this activity.
And none of it matters anyway. The NSA wiretaps authorized under 9-11 were narrowly tailored to calls originating from or terminating at known Al Qaeda operatives and organizations. Despite lefty paranoia, there is no evidence anyone else was targeted. And most people who have common sense recognize that listening in on Al Qaeda conversations is completely reasonable activity for the government to be doing.
That depends on what you mean by dissent. The “protesters” in Oakland who physically tried to prevent supplies from reaching our troops committed treason, plain and simple, as did John Walker Lindh and any of the “human shields” who went to Afghanistan and Iraq.
Singing kumbayah and holding up “war is not the answer” signs, however idiotic, is not treason.
I agree. You really need to ask leftists these days if what Jane Fonda did in the Vietnam War — traveling to Hanoi, posing for propaganda pictures, and broadcasting that the POWs being held there were war criminals and murderers — constitutes treason, sedition, or anything of the sort.
And nine-tenths of their heads will explode.
#14 – JRC, you seem to back helping the terrorists more than defending your fellow countrymen and women.
#6
You forget the fact that she had the token black “Democrat” in the Senate obediantly back her comment.
Pop quiz!
How many black Conservative are there in prominent positions in the government?
How many black liberals are there in prominent positions in the government?
BONUS:
How many blacks did John F.You Kerry have on his campaign?
#24
Additionally,
based on your post, could you explain why there are a lot of conservatives pushing Rice to run for president if we’re all just a bunch of racist, bigot homophobes?
Also, please tell me how many plantations had blacks sharing in running the business.
Otherwise,
I never thought I’d ever see “Democrats” & “Optimism” in the same sentence.
David Limbaugh? The guy who wrote things like this?
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/david/limbaugh022702.asp
I’m sure a lot of people here might agree with the above, and other gay-related stories he wrote, but I don’t put any faith in either Limbaugh, even if he is right about Gore.
11. Amen. No one has the right to call themselves a Patriot if they would happily strip away rights of other citizens for having an opposite point of view and speaking out against something they think is wrong. Puts some of these patriots in the same boat as those who don’t want gays and lesbians to have the same rights as other citizens just because we’re different.
12: Perhaps you should learn the difference between speaking out against the government and speaking out against the current leaders of our government. I’m not really familiar with any mainstream political discourse in recent history where one side advocated the destruction of our form of government just because they didn’t like the leaders of the day.
From Calarato, #9: “PeaceOut’s full ignorance revealed when you consider that it was the GOP who abolished slavery in the first place and established the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments. They “never” fought for black equality? Those 300,000 Union/GOP soldier lives didn’t count?”
Huh? I think your precious bodily fluids have been completely impurified. WTF does this have to do with anything I said?
“The same principles which give this unhappy man the freedom to criticize give me the freedom to speculate as to his psychosis.”
There you go with your personal invective, GPW, and you’ve yet to address the actual content of Gore’s speech except in one respect by citing the opinions of two others, one of whom’s arguments — Schmidt’s — has been roundly discredited. You prefer calling him psychotic just as people on the far left prefer to call Bush a Nazi.
Additionally,
based on your post, could you explain why there are a lot of conservatives pushing Rice to run for president if we’re all just a bunch of racist, bigot homophobes?
Um, probly has something to do with wanting the black vote? Surely you don’t think a political goal is always ideologically simpatico. I think Mr. Belafonte made that point about Colin Powell.
Sen. Clinton’s remarks were on target. And that all “non-rich waspy males” in the Republican party don’t understand that the GOP has no interest in their plight boggles my mind. As far as the GOP is concerned, male is head of the household whatever the wife says is just a regurgitation of what the hubby thinks. Poor, Lesbian, Gay, or Black: we will take your votes, your voices are too fragmented for us to listen, but one less vote for the other party is good for us.
On the Rice and Powell appointments, it is not that we of color were not mindful of the fact that a Republican President appointed two African Americans to significant cabinet post. We waited to see what type of role they would have with a President who did not want to be surrounded by yes men. Turns out those were hollow words. Powell played the good soldier, he acknowledged as much in at least one speech. Rice, well, she is a yes person.
#31
And what has “Ossama Obama” shown himself to be by backing Hillary’s remark?
And what blacks don’t seem to understand is that the “Democrats” are the ones who have stood in their way throughout history, even more so now.
Don’t dodge my question. Show us examples of how the liberals let any blacks get anywhere. They don’t even want them to have a choice in what schools to send their children to. The teacher’s unions will make sure of that.
Poor, lesbian, gay or black; we don’t give a flying fuck about your voices as long as you vote for us and stay on the plantation (read: projects), and blame Republicans for all the woes we impose on you.
And you damn well know it, Ralph. Look at the asshole of New Orleans where all the poor blacks were from. If we believe what the “Democrats” claim, that sort of thing wouldn’t exist.
Please, please show us where blacks have gotten anywhere with the help of the liberals. Oh and getting into universities and jobs based on the color of your skin and not your abilities is nothing to be proud of, just so you know.
#28 – Ooooh, the quote I was responding to was Gryph. Excuse me.
On the Rice and Powell appointments, it is not that we of color were not mindful of the fact that a Republican President appointed two African Americans to significant cabinet post. We waited to see what type of role they would have with a President who did not want to be surrounded by yes men. Turns out those were hollow words. Powell played the good soldier, he acknowledged as much in at least one speech. Rice, well, she is a yes person.
Translation: The only way in which we will count a person as black is if they’re anti-Republican and anti-conservative.
In that case, we won’t even bother bringing up Rod Paige, Alphonso Jackson, and others; you’ve made it clear that you won’t listen.
Oh and getting into universities and jobs based on the color of your skin and not your abilities is nothing to be proud of, just so you know.
And isn’t it amazing, TGC? Liberal blacks can get by on skin color alone, but conservative blacks actually have to do their jobs.
One wonders if Ralph considered Mike Espy and other token Clinton appointees’ performance records in determining whether or not their positions and appointments were meaningful. I sincerely doubt it.
Don’t forget Alexis Herman. Totally incompetent AND corrupt as well.
TGC, why do think that school choice is a panacea? There are no spaces in existing private schools to accept the children of failing public schools and quite frankly I have no desire to admit them if they can’t do the work. How do you propose these kids get to school? I want to see the parent any parent who lets a 7 year old ride a bus 2 hours each way to attend school. It ain’t going to happen. What about the student left behind because there damn sure ain’t enough charter schools to replace the failing public schools. Yeah there is a problem with public schools in this country but creating charter schools ain’t the answer. I live in one of the most affluent parts of this country yet students are still holding bake sales and washing cars to raise money for school equipment. Problem is our priorities are screwed up. We need to fund education to a level where buildings are maintained, arts, athletics, and a library are not after thoughts, teachers are paid, and students have books. Further you want to eliminate the plantation politics that exist in the public school administration, not the teachers unions. They need to treat the education of students like a business and run it as such, which is why I am pleased by new initiatives to get MBAs in public school administration. These academic types just aren’t good for business. I have the same beef with non-profits where the head honcho is mission focused but lacks critical business skills.
Actually, we liberal African Americans do not get by on the color of our skin, we actually work damn hard, mostly to prove to some dwf that we are just as good if not better.
For the record, I hate token appointments. I will call a spade a spade. This D practice of appointing either an African-American or a woman to the “do no harm cabinet post” annoys me to no end. Its as if there are no qualified minority candidates and I just find that ludicrous. You can’t tell me you could not have found a qualified woman for Treasury.
I may use the term liberal as it is convenient and you may brand me a liberal but truth is you know not what I think. Truth is neither R nor D has a lock on good ideas. Problem is the half baked ideas. You need diversity of thought mostly to consider the perspectives one’s narrow view of the world does not allow them to see.
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I don’t know anyone who got into a university based on the color of their skin, but I know plenty who got in and stayed in because of either daddy or daddy’s dollars. As C Rock once said, “a black C student can’t be manager of a Burger King, but a white C student is President of the United States”
The point is, why shouldn’t the parents have a choice in where they send their kids to school? I don’t know about “2 hours away”, but I’ve heard stories here in the Tampa area that parents have to send their kids to public schools farther away than they would if they had a choice of where to send their kids.
Furthermore, if the parents want to send their kids to a school farther away, they’ll find a way. I grew up in Raymond, MS. Mississippi mind you. I was sent to at least 3 different schools, two of which were parochial, in Jackson. My mother either drove me, or I car pooled with other kids from my town who went there. I know a 20 minute drive isn’t as dramatic as “2 hours” though. My brother went to a private school in Jackson and mom either drove him or he caught a ride.
I also attended school in the Hinds County School District. We didn’t have air conditioning and I wouldn’t call what we had heat. As I recall, when I went to a public school down the road for 2 years, we had more bake sales than we did in public schoo. I can’t honestly say I remember what they were for, but I don’t recall any need for materials in either the public or private schools. I seem to remember any sales that I was involved in for public or private went for a trip i.e Chuck E. Cheese or something like that.
My high school, which the buildings were built somewhere between the 40s through the 60s, now has a new building with carpeting, central A/C & heat, their own football field (we had to share with the local college in my day) plus much more. I’m sure that has to do with the gambling which was allowed after I moved to Texas.
Add to all that, my brother attended Blue Ribbon schools in Klein ISD, TX. for junior high and high school. They still had fund raisers of different sorts. I could be wrong, based on my memories, but I don’t think that just because schools have fund raisers means that they need money.
Long story short, there’s no reason why parents shouldn’t have a choice of where to send their kids to school. If they want to send their kids to a school two hours away, they will find a way. If they don’t, they’ll make do with what they have. Point is, they shouldn’t have the government or the liberal teacher’s unions make that decision for them.
If the liberals actually gave a damn about the education of children, they wouldn’t mind giving parents the choice of where to send their kids to school, would they? They would have the balls to recognized that one school was better than the other and allow parents to send their kids to that school instead of handing their balls over to the special interest NEA etc. at the kid’s expense.
No. The left wants to keep kids under their control. They want to keep kids in failing schools and throw money at the problem rather than do anything to fix the situation.
And here’s a thought, maybe teachers wouldn’t be as poor if they didn’t throw their money away on unions. That money doesn’t go to help the students or the teachers. It goes towards making the union bosses richer and it goes towards supporting liberal agendas that have failed the students.
As an example, recently here in Florida, there was a debate about school districts having the school days extended by an hour. I think the discussion was for Seminole County (Orlando area). I don’t know what became of it, but there was a radio show dicussing and supporting it that I listened to one day. As I understood it, that would have been allowed under the teacher’s contracts, but the the local union was against it. Teachers were calling in and complaining that they were there long enough as it was. They’re complaints were all about themselves and not an ounce of concern for the students. Not one of them could produce an arguement about how the students didn’t need it or it wouldn’t benefit the students anymore than a regular school day. It was all about themselves. Don’t tell me that all teachers and their unions give a damn about the students.
Full disclosure: So I rambled a bit. This was an alcohol induced post, I admit, but I still think that what I’ve written is true. Long story short, parents should be able to decide where to send their kids to school. If public schools don’t want to lose funding, perhaps they need to make do with what they have and do the best they can rather than sitting in the mud whining about what they don’t have and expecting the government to save them. The excuse of not having enough money is just that – an excuse. If they gave a damn about the students instead of themselves, they would make do with what they had and the teachers would have more money if they weren’t making union (read: mob) bosses richer.
Besides, any teacher that would strike instead of teaching is more concerned with themselves and not the students as they claim. Those people should be fired and replaced.
BTW, I would bet Chris Rock’s money that you can find managers of Burger King and other places with at least a C average or less. Hell, you can find presidents of companies, prominent inventors etc. who didn’t even finish school.
BTW, what kind of GPA did Chris Rock have?
#39 — Here’s a pretty good metaphor for the way the teacher’s union and the government run schools. Imagine the government passed a law that there could be only one government-run supermarket in every neighborhood (district). Imagine, furthermore, that the people who worked there got paid the same no matter how bad the food was. Imagine you weren’t allowed to shop at any supermarket except the one in your district, and the government taxed you to pay for the supermarket in your district whether you used it or not. About how good would you expect the quality of food and customer service to be at that monopolistic, government-run supermarket?
ThatGayConservative — January 20, 2006 @ 5:03 am – January 20, 2006
The point is, why shouldn’t the parents have a choice in where they send their kids to school?
Just to let you know, the parents do have a choice. They can send their children to public (i.e. government-financed) schools. They can send them to parochial (catholic) schools, which (from my information) will also accept children of non-catholic families. They can also send them to protestant christian schools. I have no information regarding Monessori schools, but they also exist. The parents can also home-school.
I have no objection to any of these alternatives. My objection is the proposed means of financing their choices–vouchers. If someone wants to send his offspring to a parochial or protestant christian school, he should be able to do so, but I should not be required to financially support his choice, if I disagree with their choice, regardless of the basis for the disagreement. If you believe that that is unfair vis-a-vis government schools, so be it–eliminate tax support for government schools. I’d be happy–half my property tax goes to support government schools.
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Calarado hits the nail on the haed. ‘Idiot” may be alittle strong though.
s to #8 and #9,
I read an interseting post frp m a Frenchman living in Washington DC for35 years.
He claimed that the DC “Social Democrats” (read black Government employees) have created the most enduring circular “poverty state” in the country, and intend to keep it that way. If not,they would lose their “leg up” jobs.
Interesting, no?
#40: but none of them are black
#41: bad metaphor. Govt and society in general has a vested interest in ensuring that individuals receive a basic education. For that reason alone, all public schools should be up to snuff.
Choice is fine just don’t use my tax dollar to send some kid to a private school. You can rotate his dumb butt among as many public schools that will have him.
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On a personal note, I grew up just as busing was becoming popular. When my ‘ rents realized that I would be bused to a school 3 – 4 miles away instead of attending the perfectly good elementary school 60 seconds from my front door, they were quick to find a private school for me to attend. I was the only one of my parents children to attend a public school. The first private school I attended had a strange practice of picking up the children closest to the school first and dropping them off last. After a day of this, my parents either drove us, we got rides, used after school day care, whatever it took. My parents made the sacrifices and paid for the education. If a parent wants to delist a child from the public school roster, by all means do so, just don’t expect my tax dollars to finance your education. My parents paid for the education I received and the theoretical one I was due.
I don’t think he was referring to education. It’s interesting that Washington D.C. has one of the most dangerous “gettos” (existing for years) at the very edge of the Capital Building.
Poverty, and unemployment levels don’t change. Why?
How do you know that no”none of them is black”. That wasn’t the point.
hank are you referring to the metaphor, if so, then yes it is re: education. students in public schools attend the local school regardless of quality. now some school systems may have district wide schools but as i understand it they are competitive and require an application.
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If a parent wants to delist a child from the public school roster, by all means do so, just don’t expect my tax dollars to finance your education.
Tell that to the struggling single parents in the inner city, Marie Antoinette.
and tell me what private school are they going to attend for $5 – 7K a year. And given that there are not enough seats in the local private schools to accept all students at the failing students, how do you propose which students go and which ones stay.
For your information, there are ways for struggling rural people to finance a child’s education they need to take some initiative and find out how.
When the day comes that my tax dollar is going to underwrite some child’s tuition at private school, particular a religious one, we are going to have problem.
All parents want are a school that functions, this can be done within the public school system. It just requires a change in thinking.
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