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	<title>Comments on: Andrew Sullivan&#8211;Appeasing those Who Once Reviled Him?</title>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13139</link>
		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But he used the word &quot;hysterical&quot;.

That, according to Andrew, in and of itself marks EssEm (and others of us who think Andrew is too hysterical) as homophobes.

Since we ourselves are gay, that would make us... (drum roll)... self-hating homophobes!  Go Andrew!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But he used the word &#8220;hysterical&#8221;.</p>
<p>That, according to Andrew, in and of itself marks EssEm (and others of us who think Andrew is too hysterical) as homophobes.</p>
<p>Since we ourselves are gay, that would make us&#8230; (drum roll)&#8230; self-hating homophobes!  Go Andrew!</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13138</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essem, your comment in #23 pretty much echoes  my thoughts.  Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essem, your comment in #23 pretty much echoes  my thoughts.  Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13137</link>
		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 - Yes - They&#039;ve changed the definition now - If you tell the truth about somebody, and it reflects poorly on them, it&#039;s not their fault for having done bad things... it&#039;s your fault for &quot;smearing&quot;.

I wonder if it ultimately comes out of the Left&#039;s version of &quot;self-esteem&quot;, where if you tell the truth about somebody, and it reflects badly on them, you just committed the crime against that person of injuring their alleged self-esteem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 &#8211; Yes &#8211; They&#8217;ve changed the definition now &#8211; If you tell the truth about somebody, and it reflects poorly on them, it&#8217;s not their fault for having done bad things&#8230; it&#8217;s your fault for &#8220;smearing&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wonder if it ultimately comes out of the Left&#8217;s version of &#8220;self-esteem&#8221;, where if you tell the truth about somebody, and it reflects badly on them, you just committed the crime against that person of injuring their alleged self-esteem.</p>
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		<title>By: EssEm</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13136</link>
		<dc:creator>EssEm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew is a terrible loss. He did gay righties a huge service for a long time and took pretty nasty heat for it. I will especially remember his debate with uberqueer Richard Goldstein at the New School a few years ago. He wiped the floor with him. I went thru a period of feeling very angry at Sullivan after he jumped ship and threw his support to Kerry. Whereas I once read him avidly, in his post-Kerry-for-prez mold of perseverating hysterical moralism (all too reminiscent of the MSM), I find him unreadable. As pissed off as I am at him, and remain so, basically he makes me sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew is a terrible loss. He did gay righties a huge service for a long time and took pretty nasty heat for it. I will especially remember his debate with uberqueer Richard Goldstein at the New School a few years ago. He wiped the floor with him. I went thru a period of feeling very angry at Sullivan after he jumped ship and threw his support to Kerry. Whereas I once read him avidly, in his post-Kerry-for-prez mold of perseverating hysterical moralism (all too reminiscent of the MSM), I find him unreadable. As pissed off as I am at him, and remain so, basically he makes me sad.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13135</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; So telling the truth about liberals or pointing out what they say is defaming?&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, I believe the left-liberal verb of choice is &quot;smearing.&quot; As in, &quot;The Swiftboat Vets smeared John Kerry.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> So telling the truth about liberals or pointing out what they say is defaming?</i></p>
<p>Actually, I believe the left-liberal verb of choice is &#8220;smearing.&#8221; As in, &#8220;The Swiftboat Vets smeared John Kerry.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Was it you, GPW, who claimed that you do not defame Liberals and Left&lt;/i&gt;

Hmmm. So telling the truth about liberals or pointing out what they say is defaming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Was it you, GPW, who claimed that you do not defame Liberals and Left</i></p>
<p>Hmmm. So telling the truth about liberals or pointing out what they say is defaming?</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12

&lt;i&gt;Golly, I thought for sure Greenwald had Gay Patriot in mind when writing that.&lt;/i&gt;

Well that would make Greenwald a clueless fucktard like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12</p>
<p><i>Golly, I thought for sure Greenwald had Gay Patriot in mind when writing that.</i></p>
<p>Well that would make Greenwald a clueless fucktard like you.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13132</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He and I have entirely different writing styles&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s true, GPW. Your writing style seems entirely devoid of over-the-top emotionalism and self-righteous preening. Obviously, you&#039;ll never compete with Andrianna Sullington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He and I have entirely different writing styles</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s true, GPW. Your writing style seems entirely devoid of over-the-top emotionalism and self-righteous preening. Obviously, you&#8217;ll never compete with Andrianna Sullington.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13131</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, if you wish to reduce my disagreements with Andrew to jealousy, you clearly have not read my post.  He and I have entirely different writing styles, so I don&#039;t presume to compare my writing to his.  Even in that post, where I am critical of Andrew, I acknowledge his gifts as a writer.  And have praised those skills previously on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, if you wish to reduce my disagreements with Andrew to jealousy, you clearly have not read my post.  He and I have entirely different writing styles, so I don&#8217;t presume to compare my writing to his.  Even in that post, where I am critical of Andrew, I acknowledge his gifts as a writer.  And have praised those skills previously on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13130</link>
		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Was it you, GPW, who claimed that you do not defame Liberals and Left&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why would anyone have to defame liberals? They do that all by themselves, just by opening their mouths. See Howard Dean or Al-Gore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Was it you, GPW, who claimed that you do not defame Liberals and Left</p></blockquote>
<p>Why would anyone have to defame liberals? They do that all by themselves, just by opening their mouths. See Howard Dean or Al-Gore.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13129</link>
		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for an Andrew drinking game, you&#039;d chug a beer every time he accuses somebody else of homophobia or &quot;having issues around gay men&quot;.

Ooops, you might get alcohol poisoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for an Andrew drinking game, you&#8217;d chug a beer every time he accuses somebody else of homophobia or &#8220;having issues around gay men&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ooops, you might get alcohol poisoning.</p>
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		<title>By: LifeTrek</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13128</link>
		<dc:creator>LifeTrek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to read Andrew but like rightwingprof above realized long ago that Andrew was a UK/European conservative.  Which is the same as saying he is a Democrat.  A couple more years of Bush and Andrew will become a true socialist.
DKK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to read Andrew but like rightwingprof above realized long ago that Andrew was a UK/European conservative.  Which is the same as saying he is a Democrat.  A couple more years of Bush and Andrew will become a true socialist.<br />
DKK</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13127</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, if there were a G-Patriot drinking game, you&#039;d have to down a shot every time Steffie says &quot;ad hominem.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, if there were a G-Patriot drinking game, you&#8217;d have to down a shot every time Steffie says &#8220;ad hominem.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13126</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn Greenwald includes this line:

    Now, in order to be considered a “liberal,” only one thing is required – a failure to pledge blind loyalty to George W. Bush. The minute one criticizes him is the minute that one becomes a “liberal,” regardless of the ground on which the criticism is based.

Golly, I thought for sure Greenwald had Gay Patriot in mind when writing that. It&#039;s everyones&#039; ad hominem de jure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Greenwald includes this line:</p>
<p>    Now, in order to be considered a “liberal,” only one thing is required – a failure to pledge blind loyalty to George W. Bush. The minute one criticizes him is the minute that one becomes a “liberal,” regardless of the ground on which the criticism is based.</p>
<p>Golly, I thought for sure Greenwald had Gay Patriot in mind when writing that. It&#8217;s everyones&#8217; ad hominem de jure.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13125</link>
		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V, you dare to NOTICE that Andrew constantly throws total hissy fits??? HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V, you dare to NOTICE that Andrew constantly throws total hissy fits??? HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13124</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nothing makes an attempted zinger fall flat like your having to qualify or apologize for it 2 lines later. &lt;/i&gt;

Zing!

And, yes, Matt. There is a St. Andrew of Our Lady of Perpetual Hissy Fits. The only person cited by name in my blog&#039;s disclaimer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nothing makes an attempted zinger fall flat like your having to qualify or apologize for it 2 lines later. </i></p>
<p>Zing!</p>
<p>And, yes, Matt. There is a St. Andrew of Our Lady of Perpetual Hissy Fits. The only person cited by name in my blog&#8217;s disclaimer.</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13123</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait,  Andrew Sullivan is REAL?

You gotta be kidding?

I thought he was just a foil for some great puns and slams at VdaK&#039;s site.  He actually lives?  He&#039;s been lampooned into such a buffoon, what a hoot that guy must be at a party... I wanna go to the next one just to watch!

Andrew Sullivan IS real; God, this world never fails to amaze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait,  Andrew Sullivan is REAL?</p>
<p>You gotta be kidding?</p>
<p>I thought he was just a foil for some great puns and slams at VdaK&#8217;s site.  He actually lives?  He&#8217;s been lampooned into such a buffoon, what a hoot that guy must be at a party&#8230; I wanna go to the next one just to watch!</p>
<p>Andrew Sullivan IS real; God, this world never fails to amaze.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/14/andrew-sullivan-appeasing-those-who-once-reviled-him/comment-page-1/#comment-13122</link>
		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s great... &quot;We Are All Liberals Now&quot; :-)

In my case, I actually &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; a fairly big liberal (by most normal people&#039;s standards) until just a few years ago, but I was supposed to have gone over to the Dark Side!  Nice to wake up this morning and find I haven&#039;t! I really criticize Bush, so I&#039;M A LIBERAL, YEE-HAW!!! :-)

Hint of the Day for Jeremy: Nothing makes an attempted zinger fall flat like your having to qualify or apologize for it 2 lines later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great&#8230; &#8220;We Are All Liberals Now&#8221; <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In my case, I actually <b>was</b> a fairly big liberal (by most normal people&#8217;s standards) until just a few years ago, but I was supposed to have gone over to the Dark Side!  Nice to wake up this morning and find I haven&#8217;t! I really criticize Bush, so I&#8217;M A LIBERAL, YEE-HAW!!! <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hint of the Day for Jeremy: Nothing makes an attempted zinger fall flat like your having to qualify or apologize for it 2 lines later.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And let me clarify...by saying that I think Sullivan is the superior writer, it doesn&#039;t mean that I agree with all of what he writes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And let me clarify&#8230;by saying that I think Sullivan is the superior writer, it doesn&#8217;t mean that I agree with all of what he writes.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Some of us really didn’t need that particular imagery before breakfast.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You took the words right out of my ... er, never mind.

Sullivan has never been a conservative by US standards -- UK standards, perhaps, but that&#039;s not relevant here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Some of us really didn’t need that particular imagery before breakfast.</p></blockquote>
<p>You took the words right out of my &#8230; er, never mind.</p>
<p>Sullivan has never been a conservative by US standards &#8212; UK standards, perhaps, but that&#8217;s not relevant here.</p>
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