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  1. That’s a pretty gratuitous slap, Bruce, and you know it. Our blog has been all over issues of Islamism in general and the treatment of gays in Iran in particular since its inception. And besides, why can one not be concerned about both issues?

    Now, your readers might not understand that your editorial decisions are colored by your personal feelings about Robbie and me, and I suppose it’s your prerogative not to share with them your petty motives.

    But the bottom line is that it’s really helping you earn that reputation as a partisan sycophant.

  2. Mr. Mal-

    It certainly wasn’t meant as a slap at you. I was crediting you with the story, for heaven’s sake.

    I was commenting on how in this Age of Bush Terror In America… perhaps our community should realize how lucky we are.

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar….

    -Bruce (GayPatriot)

  3. Bruce, its really not an “either, or” issue. Just because something is less dangerous than something else doesn’t mean its wrong. Its as if we had to not fight Saddam because he was less of a threat than Osama. We can, and should, take care of both problems.

    Its funny, I started reading the Malcontent site (the first example that you link to) because of your blog and a link to it. He consistantly links positively to you. He has also extensively covered the Iranian issue and the failure of many to note it in the United States. Maybe you think he is less of a conservative than you because he was a Republican staffer and you were a pharmaceutical lobbyist. Wait, that, like this post, doesn’t make sense.

    Someone could also say that the Bush Administration is more concerened with you #1 example than with your #2 example. After all, they took action and removed a website about health and gay Americans, but they haven’t really done squat on abuses by Iran and Arab countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

  5. Americans of every political stripe take for granted what they have in this country. If you want to talk to someone who really appreciates what we have here, just ask any soldier returned from Iraq. And don’t forget to say “Thank you”.

    This sort of American blindness is a national tradition afterall. The average quality of life for an American colonial in the 1700’s, while not easy compared to the standards of today, was much better than that of the average person living in England at the time. It’s one reason why when the “Great Rebellion” came along, many in England thought that we were spoiled brats throwing a tantrum.

  7. I have spent some time in Turkey. And I have never been hit on so often in my life. It may be because I have blond hair and blue eyes. I don’t know. But, the men all seemed to me to be at least bi-sexual. Maybe it’s because women are forbidden. The first time I was there, it was flattering but scary. The last few times…just scary. I never acted on any of it. And I wouldn’t be surprised, that if I had, I would have found myself in a “Midnight Express” situation.
    The muslim mind is impenetrable to a westerner. So, how in the world could we have any affect on them in terms of “gay rights”. It’s a foreign concept to them.

  8. Mal,

    I would list your blog higher than Gay Patriot’s because its content usually interests me more. But I saw no slap at you at all. Is there something in the air making folks irritable?

    And Bruce, now that you know Mal’s in a snit over this little thing, it wouldn’t be any skin off your nose to maybe rephrase the post for the minor sake of a Rodney King style “can we just get along?” Anyway, your point is correct.

  12. #1 – Mal – huh?????????????????

    The slap is at gays who can’t see things in perspective – fuming over minor offenses to Gaiety (as I call it) when America we should be so grateful for. Are you coming out as one?

  15. Well, at least the Bush administration and Iran are on the same page regarding gay rights….

    “In a reversal of policy, the United States on Monday backed an Iranian initiative to deny United Nations consultative status to organizations working to protect the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people.”

    You can read about it here:

    http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/01/25/iran12535.htm

    And sorry about my lack of html skills.

  16. Billy, from what they said there might be some good reasons for opposing the resolution, but I do think it’s strange that Bruce made this post about how Iran and the US are so different on gay rights just around the time that the US and Iran voted together on this issue, and at a time when Condi stays quiet about most actors of terror against Middle Eastern gays, and when the State Department speaks out against the Danish paper which ran the Mohammed cartoons.

  18. The russian government has just announced that they denied permit to Moscow homosexuals to hold a “Pride parade” at the begining of May.
    One of the reasons is the fact that they have received a warning from the muslim leaders that there will be violence on the streets of Moscow if such an event occurs,violence that will surpass the Mohammad cartoon protests..

    To the Gay Community in America:

    If Islam conquers America, every gay person in America will be hunted down and stoned or beheaded. I do not agree with your life style, but in America you have the right to live as you wish in America. I and countless other Americans will fight for your freedom and rights as we will for all Americans. Islam will not allow Gays, Christians, Jews or any Infidel to live if Islam conquers America.

    Gay America, time is running out;

    Standup now and help us convince our Federal government that Islam has to be stopped at all costs before it is too late. America’s survival depends on all Americans fighting Islam.

    Join us at http://www.jihadwatch.org

    And be a part of the solution in stopping the violence and murdering across the world by Islam and the Muslims.

    The war with Islam is inevitable and it is near.

    Prepare, be armed, be ready.

    The Texican.

    Freedom. The only choice at any cost.

  19. Hey! What’s with the “cigar is just a cigar” comment? Can’t you conservatives stop obsessing over Bill Clinton?

    Comment by Andre — February 18, 2006 @ 2:37 am – February 18, 2006

    I just couldn’t pass up on this one. You do know which end bill boy used and then he smoked them aftewards. Gives a cigar a different flavor.

    The Texican

  21. #15. – Thanks Billy Zoom for bringing this policy reversal issue to our attention. I would like an explanation for this action. I’d also like a better definition of what constitutes “consultative status” and what inroads to the UN remain for “Gay” interest groups. In any event, I’m troubled seeing the U.S. parallel with Iran in any way.

  23. We would be wise to keep an eye on the party we support. Gays Republicans and the Republican Party have an unusual relationship. We should not give the party carte blanche. As gays and as Americans we must be ever vigilant. I’m reminded of the story of the scorpian and the fox:

    There’s a scorpion walking along the bank of a river, wondering
    how to get across to the other side. Suddenly he sees a fox and
    asks the fox to take him on his back across to the other side of
    the river. The fox says “No, if I do that you’ll sting me and
    I’ll drown”. The scorpion replies “If I did that, we’ll both
    drown”. So the fox thought about it and finally agrees. The
    scorpion climbs upon his back and the fox begins to swim. But
    sure enough–half way across the river–the scorpion stings him.
    As the poison fills his veins, the fox turns to the scorpion and
    says “Why did you do that? Now you’ll drown too”. The scorpion
    replied, “I couldn’t help it. “It’s my nature”.

    This story may be an imperfect metaphore for the gay/Republican relationship (fox/scorpion relationship where swimming to the other side equals winning elections) . But we need to remember that it is in the nature of the far right to condemn gay people. I vote Republican for national security, economic principles, and anti-socialist principles – not because of the Party’s shining record of gay and lesbian support.

  24. Dave, I have mixed feelings about your post. “It’s in the nature of the far right to condemn people”, only if you mean the far FAR right… in other words, not the average Republican! If you meant that it is in the average Republican’s nature to condemn gays, I disagree.

    At the same time, there are just enough things wrong with the Republican Party, in my view, that I have never been one and I probably won’t be. I merely vote for them when the Democrats have gone off a cliff – as they have done for at leat 3 years now.

    And let’s not forget the nature of the far Left – which is actually in charge of the Democratic Party right now, much more so than the far Right is in charge of the Republican Party. (Remember: Bush/Cheney do NOT post on Free Republic… Kerry DOES post on Daily Kos. Symbolically summarizes the picture.)

    Their nature is: power-seeking socialism, with abandonment of gays every time it seems even slightly expedient in the search for power.

  25. #15, #21 – There was a long discussion about this in another thread. Perhaps someone can remember and link it here?

    The very rough gist of the discussion, for me, was that the gay groups in question had been linked to NAMBLA and the Bush Administration’s moves were justifiable.

    Dave, to be “troubled seeing the U.S. parallel with Iran in any way” is, in my opinion, tantamount to puerile oppositionalist thinking. (“Anything Iran does, we should do the opposite” type thinking.) I frankly don’t give a hoot if Iran agrees with us on something. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    So if Iran opposes child molesting and NAMBLA, so much the better for them. It’s their execution of gay teenagers and their destructive megalomaniac ambitions that I worry about.

  28. Gay America, Conservative Ameica and Islam

    But we need to remember that it is in the nature of the far right to condemn Gay people. I vote Republican for national security, economic principles, and anti-socialist principles – not because of the Party’s shining record of Gay and lesbian support.
    Comment by Dave — February 18, 2006

    The founder of Islam, Mohammed was a pedophile, child molester, child rapist, woman beater and executer of homosexuals and infidels. Mohammed married a six year old girl baby and started raping this girl child at the age of nine. Mohammed also instructed his followers that when their wives were not obedient to beat them and lock them away until they became obedient. Mohammed also instructed his followers to hunt down and execute any Gays that they find. The followers of the evil and vile Mohammed, the Muslims, have made Mohammed their prophet and carry out his commands and will lie to you about how peaceful Islam is as they cut your throat.

    The conservatives – Christians are generally tolerant and have a live and let live attitude concerning Gays in America. There are those on both sides of the road that will condemn each other regardless of the majority view, but you do not find the far right executing Gays for being Gay or the far left Gays executing straights for being straight. There are always exceptions to all statements, but in general conservative Christian America and Gays generally live in peace with each other. We may not agree with everything that each other says or stands for, but we respect the right of each individual to have the freedoms and rights to believe and say those things as long as we do not harm each other. This is not the way with Islam.

    Islam has no tolerance for Gays Christians Jews or Americans only death.

    As vocal as the Gay community is about protecting your rights, the Gay community has been silent about the threat of Islam.

    Islam is not being silent. Islam is screaming, rioting and murdering over cartoons. Think what it will be like if they conquer America.

    Wake up Gay America. Islam will hunt you down and execute all Gays in America if Islam takes over America.

    Gay America:

    The time to choose freedom form or death from Islam is now.

    The time to fight is now before Islam gains the strength to make condemning Islam illegal.

    Speak up, be heard, be recognized.

    The war with Islam is underway in America. Islam intends on destroying our rights for freedom of speech, conquer us and then murder us in the name of Islam.

    The Texican

    Freedom. The only choice at any cost.

  29. –

    The conservatives – Christians are generally tolerant and have a live and let live attitude concerning Gays in America.-

    I guess if wanting to put us into ex-gay facilities or bringing back sodomy laws or keeping us away from children is tolerant.

  31. Texican, if they could, I’m sure they would. There are organizations and individuals of all faiths who have said that their religion tells them to kill gays.

    By just shrugging and saying, “that doesn’t happen in America”, we run the risk of ignoring the chances of the culture eventually allowing that to happen.

    Given how many gays have been beaten and murdered over the years, I’m sure their killers have used any number of excuses, including Christianity, to justify their crime.

  32. Just to clarify – I make no comparisons between American Christians and Islamafascists. If that’s what some of you have read into my words perhaps it’s time to take a fifteen minute break and walk away from your keyboard, lol. I was only suggesting that as Gay American Republicans we have a duty to keep out party on track because part of the Party’s constituency (The religious far right) will not be supportive and may be (has been) politically adversarial. This is in no way to suggest that American Christians want to behead anyone for any reason. In America the conflict is political.

    In the Muslim world countless examples of 14th century mentality and barbarism can be seen regularly online, in the MSM and new media. There is no moral equivalency between radical Islam hanging gay teenagers to death and the modern American Christian. Cleary, the modern American Christian (yes, even those who do not support my lifestyle), are culturally superior to the Muslim animals who kill and pillage in reaction to a cartoon, slowly behead innocent bound captives for video distribution and propaganda, beat their women, kill their daughters who have “shamed” them in some minor way, and execute young men for homosexual activity.

    We have a duty as Americans, indeed as Westerners, to do the hard work on all levels, to ensure that the enlightenment of our civilization never dims. It is only be virtue of this unfailing enlightenment that the innocent will be freed of barbarism, by example, by choice, or by strategic, precise, and awesome use of force if necessary.

  33. We have a duty as Americans, indeed as Westerners, to do the hard work on all levels, to ensure that the enlightenment of our civilization never dims. It is only be virtue of this unfailing enlightenment that the innocent will be freed of barbarism, by example, by choice, or by strategic, precise, and awesome use of force if necessary.

    Comment by Dave — February 19, 2006 @ 10:52 am – February 19, 2006

    No truer words can be spoken.

    The war with Isalm is inevitable for Islam intends on conquering the world.

    Help us wake up our Federal Government to this fact so Islam can be stopped.

    The Texican

    Prepare, be armed be ready.

    Freedom. The only choice at any cost.

  35. are those the only two choices?
    Comment by Jay — February 19, 2006 @ 6:19 pm – February 19, 2006

    Jay, what other choices are there??

    Islam has only two choices for non-Muslims, convert or die. For gays, Islam has only one choice, death.

    I have made the choice that Islam is not acceptable under any condition and that I will fight and die for my God, family, country and right to be be free and this includes fighting and dieing for your right to be free too.

    God bless yall.

    The Texican.

    Freedom. The only choice at any cost.

  37. Peter,

    Dallas, Texas.

    I do have a question.

    Is the any real concern in the gay community about Islam??

    I have the feeling that some gays are concerned about Islam but to many are more concerned about everyday life. It is the same in the striaght community.

    Hopefully America will wake up before it is to late.

    Have a good day.

    The Texican.

    Freedom. The only choice at any cost.

  38. I guess if wanting to put us into ex-gay facilities or bringing back sodomy laws or keeping us away from children is tolerant.

    Perhaps you prefer the Iranian method of hanging — or gender reassignment surgery instead.

    And, Carl, since you want to argue that all Christians want to murder gays, you can now go in the moonbat bin with your fellow fools screaming about concentration camps for gays and making yourself even more irrelevant.

  40. Isn’t where President Bush would rather you were living more to the point? D’you ‘conservative’ gays not understand yet that if it were up to President Chickenhawk (sorry, yes, I know this has other connotations) and Vice-President Fudd weren’t worried about the elctoral consequences, you’d be up on the gallows beside those poor Iranian bastards?

    Where *does* your self-loathing come from, as an interested non-US observer? I always thought that the Log Cabin Republicans were a logical impossibility until I bumped into your site, and behold! Turkeys voting for Christmas!

  41. Unfortunately, Copito, your comment is SO heavily laced with mistaken preconceptions, delusions and insults, that you would clearly have no interest in a thoughtful and informative answer to your question.

  42. #31 – “Given how many gays have been beaten and murdered over the years, I’m sure their killers have used any number of excuses, including Christianity, to justify their crime.”

    Translation: Carl doesn’t know anything about Christian involvement in gay-killing. He’s just opening his mouth and hoping he’s right.

    Is he? Well, let’s check one very recent example of gay-killing in America. That dude in Boston. Was he a Christian? Nope, in fact, if anything he was an atheist.

    No more gratuitous slurs on Christians here please, Carl.

  43. Copito, your argument is completely without merit. While I don’t doubt that extremists on either side of the spectrum would want gays to be exterminated, please show me exactly where the Prez and VP have either intimated or stated blatantly that they want to kill us. In fact, show me ANY mainstream political candidate who has stated such a thing and I will buy you a new car (your choice).

    As a Christian first and politician second, the Prez has never said he’d want to kill or destroy anyone except those who wish us harm, i.e. those same Islamofascists who would sooner slit our throats or hang us in the public square. This so-called “Religion of Peace” does not apply to how they treat gays. You would be better served worrying about the enemies who have said they would kill us (Islamicists) rather than those that you have imagined saying such a thing because it fits into your crazy worldview.

    I’ve been hearing the “gays will be put in concentration camps” argument for the last 25 years, and to me it sounds more like wishful thinking on the part of the demoncRATS than anything coming from the GOP. I personally think the Left would WANT us to be in concentration camps just to prove their POV is correct. Yet I don’t see any of us being herded off to Arizona in some cattle cars.

    And no – I do NOT have a serial number tattooed on my forearm. This argument has lost its merits. Case dismissed.

    Regards,
    Peter Hughes

  44. Give em reason and truth Peter.

    Regardless of the past outrages on both sides of the gay/straight issue, generally today both sides live in peace and we are seeing a more tolerant society both ways. There will always be evil ones regardless if they are so called religious, straight or gay that harm others. Hopefully one day we will be able to find and punish these individuals before they do much harm.

    The real threat to our society and freedoms is Islamic terrorism and Islam’s intention to dominate the world.

    A house divided can not stand. We have to work together to overcome this. It will take gays, straights, religious people, agnostics and atheists to overcome Islam and our Federal Governments political correctness.

    http://jihadwatch.org has agnostics, atheists, Christians, Jews, right wingers, left wingers conservatives and liberals. We have gotten together to overcome the threat of Islam.

    I have had more than one discussion with the few that have religious intolerance on http://jihadwatch.org. They are taken to task by many and reminded that we have to eradicate the problem of Islam together. They are told to be part of the solution or they are part of the problem. There is support completely across the board for each person’s views unless there views are intolerant.

    Come read the posts. See what concerned Americans are saying and doing. http://jihadwatch.org

    Be part of the solution for Islam means to kill all infidels and gays.

    I have made the choice that Islam will not conquer America if I can do anything about it.

    The war with Islam is inevitable.

    Prepare, be armed be ready.

    The Texican.

    Freedom. The only choice at any cost.