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		<title>By: modern war guns</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/21/from-verdun-to-fallujah/#comment-257136</link>
		<dc:creator>modern war guns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;modern war guns...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/21/from-verdun-to-fallujah/#comment-13787</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you still trying to find out if I'm a legal date, hank?  Is that it?  Or are you one of those chickenhawks looking for younger prey to snare?

Gheez, what older men will do to find distraction from their own aging, failing bodies and minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you still trying to find out if I&#8217;m a legal date, hank?  Is that it?  Or are you one of those chickenhawks looking for younger prey to snare?</p>
<p>Gheez, what older men will do to find distraction from their own aging, failing bodies and minds.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you 15 years old?</description>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/21/from-verdun-to-fallujah/#comment-13785</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hank, turn down the 'tude, dude.  Don't know what I talking about, eh?  Wow, man.  Sorry about anything I wrote that caused you to cast so much negative vibe.  But it's cool; hey, dude Liberals rock.  Really, they do man.  I gotta be honest, that whole French condescension thing you have going on is intimidating, dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hank, turn down the &#8216;tude, dude.  Don&#8217;t know what I talking about, eh?  Wow, man.  Sorry about anything I wrote that caused you to cast so much negative vibe.  But it&#8217;s cool; hey, dude Liberals rock.  Really, they do man.  I gotta be honest, that whole French condescension thing you have going on is intimidating, dude.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don't know what you're talking about.
It looks as though there is at least one "idiot" still in Michigan.

And I wouldn't be seen with anyone who uses the word "dude".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about.<br />
It looks as though there is at least one &#8220;idiot&#8221; still in Michigan.</p>
<p>And I wouldn&#8217;t be seen with anyone who uses the word &#8220;dude&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/21/from-verdun-to-fallujah/#comment-13783</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks GPW.


#20 hank, nope I get out a lot... or were you asking for a date there, froggie?  I hope not.  If I'm wrong, you need to know that real men don't eat brie, sip French wine with elaborate affectations, or stand around demeaning America or our troops in "polite" cocktail banter here in the Midwest... we ship those idiots off to NYC or SF.  So if you want a date, you gotta agree to some rules if I'm to protect my honor in the community.  Rule #1: you need to be quiet and repeat "I'm only arm baggage for Michigan-Matt".  Rule #2: see Rule #1.

BTW, liberals then (1914) weren't much different than they are now --you might have a case if you compared today's liberals with pre-colonial liberals... or antebellum liberals... but in the modern age, no dice; no difference.  If TWW hadn't been so liberal, America would have never needed the calming presence and astutue leadership of Cal Coolidge and Herbert Hoover... remember, FDR won because he harkened back to the glory days of TWW's era and the New Liberalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks GPW.</p>
<p>#20 hank, nope I get out a lot&#8230; or were you asking for a date there, froggie?  I hope not.  If I&#8217;m wrong, you need to know that real men don&#8217;t eat brie, sip French wine with elaborate affectations, or stand around demeaning America or our troops in &#8220;polite&#8221; cocktail banter here in the Midwest&#8230; we ship those idiots off to NYC or SF.  So if you want a date, you gotta agree to some rules if I&#8217;m to protect my honor in the community.  Rule #1: you need to be quiet and repeat &#8220;I&#8217;m only arm baggage for Michigan-Matt&#8221;.  Rule #2: see Rule #1.</p>
<p>BTW, liberals then (1914) weren&#8217;t much different than they are now &#8211;you might have a case if you compared today&#8217;s liberals with pre-colonial liberals&#8230; or antebellum liberals&#8230; but in the modern age, no dice; no difference.  If TWW hadn&#8217;t been so liberal, America would have never needed the calming presence and astutue leadership of Cal Coolidge and Herbert Hoover&#8230; remember, FDR won because he harkened back to the glory days of TWW&#8217;s era and the New Liberalism.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But NOT the same meaning. Nor does it have same meaning here that it had 15 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But NOT the same meaning. Nor does it have same meaning here that it had 15 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18 reads--it seems that we have here, those who have never read their history.  If they had they would know that 'liberal' had a radically different meaning in 1914.

And indeed it still does in France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 reads&#8211;it seems that we have here, those who have never read their history.  If they had they would know that &#8216;liberal&#8217; had a radically different meaning in 1914.</p>
<p>And indeed it still does in France.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don't get out much, do you?</description>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/21/from-verdun-to-fallujah/#comment-13779</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hank, it's a dead language, bankrupt culture and failed democracy.... give it up dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hank, it&#8217;s a dead language, bankrupt culture and failed democracy&#8230;. give it up dude.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Il semble que nous avons ici, ceux qui n'ont jamais lu leur histoire. Sinon, ils sauraient que 'liberal"  avait un sens radicalement différent en 1914.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Il semble que nous avons ici, ceux qui n&#8217;ont jamais lu leur histoire. Sinon, ils sauraient que &#8216;liberal&#8221;  avait un sens radicalement différent en 1914.</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It even trumps Bill Clinton's "Monica Moments" as an even worse presidential mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It even trumps Bill Clinton&#8217;s &#8220;Monica Moments&#8221; as an even worse presidential mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/21/from-verdun-to-fallujah/#comment-13776</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, nice post; interesting perspective.

#4 raj, even if TGC didn't suggest Thomas Woodrow Wilson was a liberal, it can be argued --and has, convincingly-- that his concepts for the New World Order were, indeed, liberal.  He may not have appeared liberal to the anti-Roosevelt and anti-Taft voters, but he was.  He sure as hell was when you contrast him with Congressional leaders.

His legislative achievements in the days when “Congress was King” in labor law (8 hr day, he was solidly pro-union), financial reform (banking, tariffs, the Fed Reserve, Income Tax, etc), Wilson successfully shifted the costs of the prosecution of the war onto the rich, and throughout his life he saw the US Constitution as in need of major revamping –not tweaking.  He misled his supporters into thinking he would avoid war, then turned around and used the US military in an independent fashion in the war without alliances.  One thing he did not share with liberals today is an animosity to the military –he pretty much let General Black Jack Pershing do his thing.  He was certainly an internationalist liberal –his 14 Point Plan is point in case.

Thomas Woodrow Wilson had liberal leanings in his days as a reform governor of NJ, too.  And before that, even, when he headed up the APSA –a group in which I share a membership today.

The biggest difference between the liberal war presidents of Wilson (yes), Roosevelt and Truman AND W is that those guys didn’t care about advancing democracy in the post-war debris.  They just wanted peaceful, co-existing, non-aggressive states.  W wants democracy adopted –and he’s getting his way.  Big difference.

At the University of Michigan, we see Wilson as a liberal --solidly.  In his political temperment, his policies both domestic and international, and his penchant for a firm belief that progress can only come with the careful, steady hand of govt at the tiller.

I think the point TGC is making in his comment #1 is that liberals of today use the mounting deaths in Iraq to score cheap partisan political gain... and on that point, he's dead right.  Again.  They used it successfully in opposing the war in SE Asia in the 70s... and they'll use it again until more Americans link that conduct with treason.

I'm going to leave alone your silliness of that world events doomed Europe to war... that kind of assessment only comes when the armchair historians get comfy, sip coffee and second guess it all... Tuchman my ass.  Historians do have ONE thing right, Wilson's refusal to amend the Treaty of V per HCLodge's suggestion was probably one of the top presidential mistakes of all time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, nice post; interesting perspective.</p>
<p>#4 raj, even if TGC didn&#8217;t suggest Thomas Woodrow Wilson was a liberal, it can be argued &#8211;and has, convincingly&#8211; that his concepts for the New World Order were, indeed, liberal.  He may not have appeared liberal to the anti-Roosevelt and anti-Taft voters, but he was.  He sure as hell was when you contrast him with Congressional leaders.</p>
<p>His legislative achievements in the days when “Congress was King” in labor law (8 hr day, he was solidly pro-union), financial reform (banking, tariffs, the Fed Reserve, Income Tax, etc), Wilson successfully shifted the costs of the prosecution of the war onto the rich, and throughout his life he saw the US Constitution as in need of major revamping –not tweaking.  He misled his supporters into thinking he would avoid war, then turned around and used the US military in an independent fashion in the war without alliances.  One thing he did not share with liberals today is an animosity to the military –he pretty much let General Black Jack Pershing do his thing.  He was certainly an internationalist liberal –his 14 Point Plan is point in case.</p>
<p>Thomas Woodrow Wilson had liberal leanings in his days as a reform governor of NJ, too.  And before that, even, when he headed up the APSA –a group in which I share a membership today.</p>
<p>The biggest difference between the liberal war presidents of Wilson (yes), Roosevelt and Truman AND W is that those guys didn’t care about advancing democracy in the post-war debris.  They just wanted peaceful, co-existing, non-aggressive states.  W wants democracy adopted –and he’s getting his way.  Big difference.</p>
<p>At the University of Michigan, we see Wilson as a liberal &#8211;solidly.  In his political temperment, his policies both domestic and international, and his penchant for a firm belief that progress can only come with the careful, steady hand of govt at the tiller.</p>
<p>I think the point TGC is making in his comment #1 is that liberals of today use the mounting deaths in Iraq to score cheap partisan political gain&#8230; and on that point, he&#8217;s dead right.  Again.  They used it successfully in opposing the war in SE Asia in the 70s&#8230; and they&#8217;ll use it again until more Americans link that conduct with treason.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to leave alone your silliness of that world events doomed Europe to war&#8230; that kind of assessment only comes when the armchair historians get comfy, sip coffee and second guess it all&#8230; Tuchman my ass.  Historians do have ONE thing right, Wilson&#8217;s refusal to amend the Treaty of V per HCLodge&#8217;s suggestion was probably one of the top presidential mistakes of all time.</p>
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		<title>By: richie</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WW1 led to WW2, all those wars in yugoslavia (serbia gained bosnia &#38; kosovo from WW1) and the war on terror (british &#38; french mismanaged territory gained from the ottoman empire).  It was more like "the war to START all wars".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WW1 led to WW2, all those wars in yugoslavia (serbia gained bosnia &amp; kosovo from WW1) and the war on terror (british &amp; french mismanaged territory gained from the ottoman empire).  It was more like &#8220;the war to START all wars&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/02/21/from-verdun-to-fallujah/#comment-13774</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2

Huh. Is that what I said, Ass? I wasn't aware that I even mentioned Wilson. I'll be damned.</description>
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<p>Huh. Is that what I said, Ass? I wasn&#8217;t aware that I even mentioned Wilson. I&#8217;ll be damned.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In The First World War the French actually fought for their country.</description>
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		<title>By: Small Town Veteran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Small Town Veteran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;From Verdun to Fallujah&lt;/strong&gt;

From Verdun to Fallujah Today marks the 90th anniversary of the start of the Battle of Verdun, one of the bloodiest battles in the history of warfare. That World War I (WW I) battle began with a German offensive aimed</description>
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<p>From Verdun to Fallujah Today marks the 90th anniversary of the start of the Battle of Verdun, one of the bloodiest battles in the history of warfare. That World War I (WW I) battle began with a German offensive aimed</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 - Hank, I just assumed it translated this way:

Please don't shoot.
I'll put down my gun.
I'll run back to Paris.
I'll help you take over my government.
I'll turn my back on my Allies.
I'll cower against rioting Muslims.


My mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 - Hank, I just assumed it translated this way:</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t shoot.<br />
I&#8217;ll put down my gun.<br />
I&#8217;ll run back to Paris.<br />
I&#8217;ll help you take over my government.<br />
I&#8217;ll turn my back on my Allies.<br />
I&#8217;ll cower against rioting Muslims.</p>
<p>My mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post!  What's the old saying... those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it. Rings very true when considering this war.

Although if you took a poll of people who don't read blogs - I wonder how many of them know that we actually won in Fallujah... and are helping to put it back together again as a working city.  It's not like the MSM publicized the fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post!  What&#8217;s the old saying&#8230; those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it. Rings very true when considering this war.</p>
<p>Although if you took a poll of people who don&#8217;t read blogs - I wonder how many of them know that we actually won in Fallujah&#8230; and are helping to put it back together again as a working city.  It&#8217;s not like the MSM publicized the fact.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I didn't translate:

Goodbye to life.
Goodbye to love.
Goodbye to all the women.
It is well finished.
It is forever.
That is the infamy of war.
It is at Craonne, on the plateau,
where we must leave our skin.
Because we are the condemned,
and we are the sacrificed.

Not the best translation. Sorry it lacks poetry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t translate:</p>
<p>Goodbye to life.<br />
Goodbye to love.<br />
Goodbye to all the women.<br />
It is well finished.<br />
It is forever.<br />
That is the infamy of war.<br />
It is at Craonne, on the plateau,<br />
where we must leave our skin.<br />
Because we are the condemned,<br />
and we are the sacrificed.</p>
<p>Not the best translation. Sorry it lacks poetry.</p>
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