I saw this thread and was going to offer a bit of insight as one who has a rather unique view of the flight 93 events. Since a late start and a slow cab caused me to miss that specific flight by, at best, two minutes. No, i’m not saying my perspective is “better” than anyone elses, but it was the cause for much reflection and attempts at a deeper understanding of why we found ourselves in that situation that day.

In that case I was disappointed to find that the thread quickly turned into business as usual in blogland. Conservatives being painted as the next thing to Hitler, drawing our country one step away from a state like Iran, liberals being “moonbat” freaks, representative of every sexual deviancy the conservatives don’t like, etc. etc.

Just wondering guys, does it ever go beyond this? If what happened on Sept 11/2001 wasn’t enough to reframe the debates that never go anywhere but down the collective shitter, what exactly will it take? Or is calling each other out the point?

Take care,

Steve

I agree NL is probably someone we’re familiar with, hiding behind yet another new pose.

RIDOR almost always went over the top in spewing silliness or hatred within 40 syllables; NeoLiberal hits that point after 115 syllables, on average. For a liberal, that’s some restraint. I do think it/he is duo posting as “conservativebut moderate” if that matters.

Second, NeoLiberal’s syntax is different than RIDOR’s. RIDOR’s was rift with myspeelings, reverst werds, and non-un-incomplete sentances. NeoLiberal doesn’t do that –it/he has at least completed 10th grade in a high school in the Midwest or the equivalent 5+ years of college in New Jersey. It/he should know better to advance the silly policy arguments intended to goad and inflame… RIDOR doesn’t know any better because he isn’t a hearie but a victim and we know hearies/non-victims have higher intellectual skills.

And I think I just did a double ad hominem attack. My bad. Very bad.

For further insight into NeoLiberal, see #53.

I live in a big city

There’s your first problem.

LL, some Israelis attacked Palestinians. Don’t bother to lie about that. But mostly Palestinians did it. But when Americans allowed their gov’t to institute the unjust foreign policies on nations, Americans lost their innocence status. So you really can’t say that Americans were INNOCENT on that day. Even I’m not innocent.

But no, you wanted to keep it black/white — them bad, we good. This is the exact thing that Osama bin Laden wanted us to do — to classify two groups between good and bad as the means to pave the long-term war.

NeoLib, you have just crystallized in one sentence why I am a proud gay conservative and not a shrieking liberal moonbat. I offer sincerity and compassion; you view it as just “talk” and pandering. You have been so brainwashed by your liberal contemporaries and their talking points that conservatives are so eeeeevil and so dastardly that you can’t take them seriously.

And thank you for proving my point – conservatives are compassionate people who help each according to their means, and liberals only look out for themselves. You just admitted that libs wouldn’t jump in to save me and you would also not be the first to do so as well. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

If there is a reason why libs and conservatives can’t get along, it is manifest in your declaration above. So go ahead and believe all the lies and hype. I’ll just continue to be true to myself and to others.

And BTW – the offer still stands. And if you are indeed “in the first line to attack,” I’ll have your back. Believe it if you wish.

Frankly, at this point, I’m not going to waste any more of my breath on the likes of someone who cannot see the difference between sincerity and pandering.

Regards,
Peter H.

Attacking people that disagreed with your views probably proved the research that when you were little boy, you were ostracized by your peers. Of course, I expected that. Please keep going and insulting people with words, Calarato, if it helps making you feel better.

ROTFLMAO – the pot calling the kettle black, or the mirror getting itself to crack – R-I-D-O-R!!!!

That’s what I was wanting to ask. I’d like to know how many times he/she/it has seen it.

There is a differenc though. One film is based on reality, the other is based on the fantasies of crazy fat man.

I think that’s another give away that moderateconservative isn’t really conservative…that’s what Howard Dean said in 2004…

I’m still waiting to hear from NeoLiberal if F-911 was “too soon”?

I doubt you’d jump in if I was in trouble — I honestly doubt so but thanks for the offer. You’re right that I probably will not jump in yours — I mean, there are plenty of people who will jump in to save you.

But if I was on a plane, it’s matter of survival. Regarding the plane hostage, I’m not going to shriek like a girl. I probably will be the first one in the line to attack.

I agreed about McKinney, she’s nuts. But please do not associate her with Liberals. She’s too radical for a liberal.

And unlike McKinney, I know damn well the differnece between who is intent on hurting Americans and those who are protecting our freedoms. That is why I cannot stand people who make excuses for terrorists.

And I would gladly welcome your assistance as long as you were not screaming like a little girl and trying to hide. As the surgeon told Reagan on the day he was shot: “Today we’re all Republicans, Mr. President.”

I wouldn’t care who you voted for. I would only hope that you would stand beside me and fight those who threatened our lives, rather than trying to psychoanalyze them while the plane was going down.

I am also not some rich blue-blood prep-school Republican. I am the product of immigrants, someone who takes personal responsibility for his actions, who worked his way through two college degrees and (just FYI) can bench 220 lbs and can fight bareknuckled if my safety is threatened and I cannot work it out through “peaceful” means. As John Wayne once said: “It ain’t braggin’ if you can do it.”

And I would be the first to jump in if you were in trouble. That goes for anyone on this board, period. I doubt those posters at DailyKaos and Dummycrat Underground would do the same for a conservative.

Regards,
Peter Hughes

“But dealing with Islamic extremists are different, they are bitter because they were denied of basic rights and education by their tyrants that were financed by whom? The Americans!”

Again, I have little to offer here, other than to ask my polar opposite if he blamed himself when attacked by narrow-minded thugs for liking boys.

Neo, please take a moment to consider whether or not you truly believe that this republic is responsible for the horrible fates of Danny Pearl, Nick Berg, et al.

I grant you that America has made some truly piss-poor choices in it’s brief history, but to lay the blame for the behavior of sociopaths who regard us as less than human, and therefore subject to the most gruesome of deaths, is absolutely abhorrent.

If my dog repeatedly poops on my neighbor’s lawn, despite my best efforts to prevent it, and said neighbor one day shoots my dog, is this my fault for not being more effective in training?

This seems to be the thrust of “your sides’” argument.

Eric in Hollywood

No need to bash me when I talk about things. It is nice to know that there are bitter conservatives willing to attack me of my intelligence rather to discuss on the subject. Too bad, so far, you’re merely attacking me with personal insults. There are some folks who made comments that is thoughtful-provoking but you, Calarato, are nothing but a hateful, bitter queen.

I’m pro-Israel. Initially, Israel was willing to divide up the land in early 1950s as the UN offered, Palestine rejected and sided with the Arab Countries. Israel claimed the lands after the brief war. That is their right. Palestine lost it in the first place.

But dealing with Islamic extremists are different, they are bitter because they were denied of basic rights and education by their tyrants that were financed by whom? The Americans!

Peter Hughes: You do not know who I am. I am proud to be liberal and if my life was threatened on an airline, I’d fight back. You’d try to make calls to get insurance on your life before doing something else. Hell, Flight 93 was not rescued. From what I read the information, when they fought back and attempted to barge in the cockpit, the terrorists simply flew it down into the floor. So much for heroism, IMHO.

They can make the movie now, but I won’t be going to see it.

I read Richard Miniter’s assertion that he hasn’t got the cash.