RWP, I’m sure you didn’t raise your voice and have the police take you outside.

No, the screaming Democrat “monitors” were ejected — for screaming.

Actually, government can and do create jobs. What they can’t do is create new wealth that powers an expanding economy.

Certainly, but that’s an entirely different thing than creaing government jobs that have to be paid with tax dollars, then turning around and calling it “creating jobs.”

Actually, government can and do create jobs. What they can’t do is create new wealth that powers an expanding economy. The money to pay for those new jobs is siphoned off an uninformed, unsuspecting pool of overtaxed citizen donors.

Well, the problem is that the jobs that the mayor of Detroit has been creating are mostly hole-fillers; you hire one person to dig a hole, and you hire another person to fill it.

Actually, the problem is that government cannot create jobs, because government jobs don’t count as creating jobs. It’s like taking a five dollar bill from your right pocket and putting in your left, then taking it out and claiming that you just made five dollars.

The quote you use above affirms my argument, not yours GP. There is a big difference between saying an election “is immoral” than “being against democracy” as you have consistently, and falsely, claimed.

And in the sense that the initiatives passed were intended to directly infringe on the liberty of a particular class of people with no good reason other than prejudice, yes, the elections were immoral, although fair and democratic.

Ignoring the constitutional problems, a majority vote in one state that say, brings back slavery, is immoral no matter how you look at it, even if it’s the expressed will of the majority and is passed by fair elections.

So GP, you are either to stupid to understand the English language or you are being deliberately deceptive by “spinning” the mans words into something he did not say. I chose the latter interpretation.

If you did, that would seem like a good basic indicator of something being “off”. If that’s what Robert saw, I can’t blame him for thinking something was amiss.

Having said that, I’m sympathetic to your and V’s comments. I know many charges of voter intimidation are way trumped up, or a partisan tool. Nobody was targeting or intimidating black voters in Florida in 2000, for example.

A Lawyer for the republican party, was yelling at the Voter Clerk, telling her she would go to prison if she allowed people to vote who were not registered

And he spoke the truth. Good for him.

I was a runner for my party in the last election — I went from place to place and picked up the poll books, then took them back to headquarters so we could see who had and who had not voted, then make calls.

The Democrats had hastily pulled together volunteers as “monitors” and not once, not twice, but three times, a “monitor” challenged whether I could pick up the poll books, raised hell about it, and two of them had to be ejected for howling “voter intimidation!”

I didn’t interact with voters. I didn’t speak to them. I didn’t even go in where they were going in. I went to the officials, and got the poll books, then left. Three times, a Democrat moron who knew nothing about the way the process works screamed “voter intimidation!” precisely because she knew nothing about the way the process works.

“Voter intimidation,” my ass.

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Regards,
Peter Hughes

Also, since Robert doesn’t think it was a big deal for Kwame Kilpatrick to embezzle city funds for personal use including the purchase of a luxury SUV, his take on civic virtue seems a mite skewed to me.

OK, so bottom line: A Republican lawyer was freaking out in front of you.

If it’s systematic and not just a question of personal problems – hell yeah, investigate and punish.

Same goes for Democrats – some of whom, I say again, have endured criminal convictions from their 2004 election conduct that perhaps you weren’t aware of?

I don’t begrudge anyone their politics, not really. But entertainers really ought to have a professional attitude toward their profession. Entertainment has value just because it’s entertainment. It shouldn’t *need* the props of social activism or political commentary to make people feel good about being an Actor or Making Movies.

My favorite author was a nurse as her job when she published what people criticized as “not literature” Space Opera. She said (very rough paraphrase) that she’d seen enough people who had a very real need to escape for just a little while from the stresses of their situations. There’s no need for anyone to think they aren’t doing something important when they offer that escape.

“The Tonight Show” host Jay Leno is a Hollywood liberal who never misses a chance to attack President Bush, the Republican Party, American corporations, etc. (even if he has to lie to make his points). He is clearly not a puritanical right-winger.

In his monologue tonight he noted that because of the change to Daylight Savings Time we all lost an hour over the week-end. Then he added that those who sat through “Basic Instinct II” lost three hours. He then made an about-to-puke face, summing up why the movie came in at tenth place in box office receipts over the week-end.

The rest you have correct.

OK, let me make sure I got this:

1) A Lawyer for the Republican party had a valid point to make. (It is indeed a crime to allow people to vote who were not registered.)

2) You saw the lawyer get overheated and raise his/her voice for some minutes.

3) The police asked the lawyer to step outside and calm down.

4) You called the voter intimidation hotline.

5) Later that night, the news reported numerous instances of what they termed voter intimidation in Detroit.

Is that right?

A Lawyer for the republican party, was yelling at the Voter Clerk, telling her she would go to prison if she allowed people to vote who were not registered, he continue to yell at her for at least 5-10 minutes, the entire time i was in line. Upon walking out the door, the police arrived, and asked the Lawyer to go outside and calm down. At that point i left, and i did call the Voter Intimidation hotline, and i was told, there had been several complaints at that site of voter intimidation, and that officials were on there way to handle the problem. Later that night on the News, there was coverage of wide spread voter intimidation in the city on election day.

Who yelled at who, what, when and why? In order please. From #46, I can’t tell if you mean the voter clerk yelled at the voter or what. Or if the person had been approved and actually was qualified to vote. Or if the lawyer might, in fact, have had a point or been right.

You have made a very serious charge and provided us little information beyond your own assumptions about the matter to back it up.