I’ve been thinking how interesting it is that the Democrats have decided to abandon their political allegiance to the African-American community in favor of a pact with Illegal Immigrants who they see as a potential path out of their current electoral doom. They can’t win in Today’s America, so they will create Tomorrow’s America by importing votes from Mexico and Venezuela. This makes sense for the Democrats because these are voters who are already inclined to side with a socialist point of view. If Democrats can’t create the Welfare State they want here, they will import it.
So the Dems have decided to turn their backs on the cornerstone of their Liberal Coalition — American blacks who came to America by force against their will, yet became legal immigrants; instead they cast their hopes on illegal immigrants who are breaking our laws by choice.
This says a lot about the modern Democrat Party, doesn’t it? But at least they are consistent. Today’s Democrat party leaders are more likely to side with bin Laden and Saddam against their country’s President; they are more likely to find themselves siding with lawbreakers than law abiders; they are more likely to side with the courts than with the American people. So why not side with illegal immigrants versus their own African-American core base who no longer represent the growing demographics of America?
Dan at NoSpeedBumps has a similar view as PatriotPartner of this new Democrat Party Grand Alliance with Illegals: A Betrayal of the American Working Class.
On one hand, the gut response of most Democrats is to welcome Hispanic illegal workers, as Hispanic advocacy groups demand, and resist substantial new measures to stem the flow of illegal people crossing the southern border. But this directly conflicts with the interests of the core group whom Democrats have historically tried to loyally represent: The American working class. On the immigration issue, Democrats have turned their backs on their core constituency. This is the ultimate triumph of politically correct thinking, where the group declared the bigger victim always wins out in policy disputes.
For years now, Democrats should have been stridently demanding a shutdown of illegal immigration over the southern border, but they have simply been silent on this. Similarly, when employers easily hire illegal workers at bargain wages with little worries of being arrested – to the detriment of American workers – again the Democrats have been silent.
Read the whole thing! Of course the only problem with Dan’s correct analysis is that the Republican Party has sold out the middle class too unless the reject the language of amnesty and start embracing the ideals of legal immigration and secure borders.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
The politicians have poisoned the immigration issue by creating a false dichotomy; pitting border enforcement against amnesty as though the two were mutually exclusive. There is no practical reason we can not enforce the border (and that includes physical fences, constant surveillance, increased border patrol, and empowering states and municipalities to enforce immigration laws*) while seperately coming up with what to do about the illegals already here.
And as for that problem, again, we are faced with a false dichotomy: Deportation or full citizenship. Logic suggests that the compromise would be legal residency without citizenship. (Which the donks hate because they want the illegals as a voting bloc). Such residency could be revoked for violations of the law or applicable immigration statutes. Additionally, we could impose special residency taxes on those immigrants and foreign resident hiring fees on employers to pay for the administration of the program and help deal with the social costs of immigration; in addition to helping American workers compete with what is essentially tax-subsidized slave labor under the current system.
* One way to do this:Change the law so that localities keep the $10,000 fine for each employer they cite. We know local governments are greedy for revenue. This would increase enforcement across the board, as well as concentrate illegals in those localities that would still refuse to enforce the law. They deserve no better.
I wish I could quote the source of the poll, but they were talking about a recent poll on the Bill Handel radio show in L.A. yesterday. It showed that the middle class to wealthy people were far more open to allowing more immigration and legalizing the people already here. They don’t seem to feel as threatened because their jobs aren’t the ones that will be lost or degraded in value. The Democrats, like Hillary, will give rhetoric against illegal immigration to seed their base. Meanwhile, they won’t take any real action because we all know they’re voting and that it’s helping Democrats. Democrats are working hard to prevent any kind of checks going into place to prevent non-citizens from voting.
Bruce, I didn’t find it instantly obvious as to how the Democrats would be turning their backs on blacks, by supporting illegal immigrants.
I had to think about it. In case anyone else has the same problem, here’s the answer I reached:
Every economy has various markets for skilled, semi-skilled and unskilled labor. In fact, the inflow of unskilled and semi-skilled illegal immigrants depresses wages for unskilled and semi-skilled people already here. That’s Econ 101. And for whatever reasons, many African-Americans are in the unskilled and semi-skilled markets.
I’m amazed the Republicans aren’t trying to educate people on that and exploit it to put a dent in the 90%-Democrat black vote. It seems like the perfect alliance: people who care about law, order and national security reaching out to poor people, who would actually benefit most from it.
But then again, if the Republicans were politically astute, we would not be having 75% of the discussions we have on this blog.
Left-liberals will look at the issue here and say “All we need to do is raise the minimum-wage”. Nuh-uh. Both in theory and in practice, wages-coerced-by-law have long been proven to be job destroyers. But that’s the leftists for you: Short-sighted / economically ignorant.
Even after reading the comment, I can not see the Democrats turning their backs on the blacks argument. That is not to say that I do not see the Econ101 logic. I might clarify that and say that blacks may be disproportionately represented in the unskilled and semiskilled classes.
Something you seemed to leave out, and this pertains more to black males than females as they are the ones most at risk. If you think you are either going to b dead or in jail by 25, I think you are going to go with the “career” that gives you more bling. With that in mind the legal un and semi skilled never compete with the illegals.
If you speak with the black people I know the discussion about wage depression never enters the conversation. The individuals I know are more concerned about obtaining a quality education and giving their children a chance and ending the cycle.
Frankly, I am not convinced that illegals are a natural ally of the party on the left. Your Boy George and his boy Ken M at the RNC seem to think that their strongheld religious convictions, anti-gay, boot-strapping ways make illegals naturals on the right.
How does raising the minimum wage enter the debate. If business if hiring an illegal I am certainly not going to pay him the same I would a legal. And going back to an earlier statement, if the corner boy can make more money in distribution and security that he can at Wal-Mart or some other minimum wage gig, why would he ever make the switch.
Today’s Democrat party leaders are more likely to side with bin Laden and Saddam against their country’s President; they are more likely to find themselves siding with lawbreakers than law abiders;
Wow, and people wonder why the right looks like Loonies half the time. If you really beleive this is the position of Democrat, you have been drinking to much right wing Kool Aid, i associate with many Democrats and that is not their position.
On a side note, Mexicans tend to vote 50-50 Democrat/Republican, take or add a few, so it’s not just the democrats that gain from having illegal immigrants in the United States, besides it’s usually the republican business owners making the most off underpaid or lower paid workers.
As far as the White House Easter egg roll…That’s a great idea not to bring the posters and signs. However, if you’re going to make it a non-political event, why even hand out the multi-colored leis? Unity you say? Please, it is just a toned down demonstration. Leave the leis home and participate like the rest of the people there…or are you different?
Robert Bayn,
Siding with law-breakers over law abiders? Of course, no, who would ever say that? Just in case some were misled into drawing that conclusion from the term ILLEGAL immigrants, we don’t call them that any more. “Guest workers” or “undocumented migrants” are the politically accepted terms. So you’re right, no support for law breaking there, move along, nothing to see.
The only people preventing tough immigration law is the business community. They want to hire illegals at sub-par wages so that they can put more money in their own pockets. In the end, it all comes down to money, like always….and politicians always side where the money flows.
Ah that Midge, she is a funny one. See California to see how bad ballot box legislation is. I’d love to see her education plan in work with low fixed interest on student loans. Exactly who would buy these loans in the secondary market for a below market rate return. Keep hope alive.
“””oday’s Democrat party leaders are more likely to side with bin Laden and Saddam against their country’s President; they are more likely to find themselves siding with lawbreakers than law abiders;”””
LOL…You are sooooo right. Now — consistent with the usual policy arouund here — show us the evidence of this claim. I know it’s self-evident to you wingnuts, but us moonbats ain’t get it yet. Edumcate us.
Your analogy is specious to begin with, but the notion that Democrats must maintain a consistency that Republicans don’t is just silly. The Repbulicans have built a coalitoin of loony-toon right wing religious fundamentalists and corporate CEOs. It’s also well documented that those working class types have by and large jumped on the Republican bandwagon because of moral/social issues, while ignoring the fact that George’s fiscal polilcies hurt them most.
The fact is that Democrats will have to begin building similarly diverse coalitions and not depend on the support of historic groups like labor.
The business about importing votes from Mexico made me laugh out loud. George Bush, more than anyone, has courted the Mexican vote and has been quite liberal in his immigration policies.
Which is worse? Importing votes from Central and South America (as you claim Democrats are doing) or importing workers from the same locales (which is what many large businesses, whose interests vote Republican are doing?). The first is worse than the second, but until I see some realistic criticism of big business’ reluctance to follow the rules and stop hiring illegals, then I’ll listen to conservatives who rail against Democrats. We all really do need to look at the root of the problem here, not point fingers once the damage has already been done (of course that finger is going to be pointed at free-market conservatives, just sayin’).
Christ is risen!
Christ is risen!
So is the Easter bunny. I saw him out back a few hours ago nibbling on the weeds.
The death and resurrection of the “god” was a quite common myth in ancient middle eastern religions. I’ll merely cite the myth of Osiris, but there are others.
That is exactly why you should never be allowed to adopt or raise children.
#15 rightwingprof — April 16, 2006 @ 10:50 am – April 16, 2006
That is exactly why you should never be allowed to adopt or raise children.
Oh, so you support terrorizing children with the myths and fairy tales from the Wholly Babble, as if they had anything to do with reality.
Interesting.
Oh, remind me. What do you purport to profess?
raj said…
“Oh, so you support terrorizing children with the myths and fairy tales from the Wholly Babble, as if they had anything to do with reality.”
Yet another example of the “tolerant” left.
Maybe Dan & Bruce are right.
Let these halfwits continue to spew unabated, and eventually they reveal the hatred with which they conduct their sorry little lives.
Eric in Hollywood
It would be more convincing, raj, if you far-lefties didn’t go around terrorizing children with your own unrealities.
#17 HollywoodNeoCon — April 16, 2006 @ 3:31 pm – April 16, 2006
Yet another example of the “tolerant” blah-blah-blah.
I hate to break it to you, but the fact is that “tolerant” is an over-used term.
And, by the way, “left” is nothing more than a noise word that has come to mean “I don’t like.” You don’t like? Why don’t you just say so?
#18 Calarato — April 16, 2006 @ 11:09 pm – April 16, 2006
It would be more convincing, raj, if you far-blah-blah-blah didn’t go around terrorizing children with your own unrealities.
Oh, please tell me. What am I supposed to have done that would terrorize children?
Please cite chapter and verse, and limit it to what I am supposed to have done. I had been led to believe that self-styled conservatives were big on personal responsibility for one’s actions. If true, I am not responsible for what you allege that people in the blah-blah-blah camp do.
OK, let’s look at Dem thinking here. You take a group (illegals), make them legal an think they will vote for you as a group in eternal thanksgiving. A group that has very strong religious values, stable families, and risks life and limb over hundreds of miles to get somewhere where they can…. WORK HARD. They raise raise their kids to value self improvement (not just stay in school, but do good in school). Sorry folks, I think the left and right are getting this wrong. The Republicans should be working to make them all legal and bring in more. Nothing spells electoral success for Republicans like people who would rather work and raise a family rather than people who want to know how you will secure more benifits for them.
raj’s hypocrisy is simply astounding.
Eric in Amazement
#22 HollywoodNeoCon — April 17, 2006 @ 9:54 am – April 17, 2006
That is what purports to be a substantive post among the self-styled conservatives. Interesting.
Again, for those of you who don’t understand the concept….
To give substance to raj and his little buddy Ian is to cast pearls before swine.
It’d be like pouring ketchup on a filet mignon.
LOL…Raj, you obviously have an irony deficiency.
What Eric was referring to was the fact that you speculated rightwingprof supported “terrorizing children with the myths and fairy tales from the Wholly Babble”, yet not two posts later were whining about how you were being held accountable for other people’s speculations about you.
“I’ve been thinking how interesting it is that the Democrats have decided to abandon their political allegiance to the African-American community in favor of a pact with Illegal Immigrants who they see as a potential path out of their current electoral doom…”
Umm….From what I’ve been hearing/reading, it’s the POTUS and a few of his gop asskissers who are all for amnesty and a guest worker program for illegal immigrants. It’s the gop AND Democrats in congress who are against either/or—the two parties seem to be united on this issue, other than dumbass and his brown nosers…
Umm….From what I’ve been hearing/reading, it’s the POTUS and a few of his gop asskissers who are all for amnesty and a guest worker program for illegal immigrants.
Amnesty no, guest worker yes.
You see, the motivation here is different.
Ted Kennedy and other Democrats see illegal immigrants as the new blacks; easily manipulated with promises of short-term cash and simple to keep in a perpetual underclass status.
Bush recognizes the fact that the majority of illegal immigrants come to the US to work and save money to return home to Mexico. With a guest worker program, they can do so legally, businesses can benefit from their labor, and matters are handled.