Comments on: Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund — Organized Labor’s Big Gay Tool

By: JimG

JimG — Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:25:48 +0000

Yes, Synova in #41, I agree with your ideas. I believe for me personally tolerance requires us to be much greater because it requires that we actively allow that which we believe is wrong. And I am not talking about tolerating that which harms. I am talking about the basic right of every living breathing human being to make the determination as to how their life is going to turn out. No matter how offensive it may seem to someone else.
Now when we come together as a collective, then things begin to become interesting. I, personally, am not seeking acceptance. But I require a level playing field for myself and insist on every right AND RESPONSIBLITY that every other person has. And if that means someone has to tolerate me, then so be it.

By: raj

raj — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:51:46 +0000

#38 Michigan-Matt — April 26, 2006 @ 6:05 pm – April 26, 2006

On most web sites, IP addresses are logged by the website when a comment is posted. If you are really interested in finding out whether I am “nitpicking4jesus,” ask the webmaster here to check my IP address (or addresses, since IP addresses can be assigned by the Internet service provider dynamically), versus the IP address(es) for nitpicking4jesus.

It is oftentimes a surprise to many people that posting on the Internet is not really as anonymous as they tend to believe it is.

I generally use “raj”, but I have also used “raj49″ or “rajmgk” if “raj” was not available or was being used by others. The common thread “raj” should be evident.

I don’t see “raj” in “nitpicking4jesus.” I might be persuaded that “raj” is there somewhere, but I doubt it.

By: Synova

Synova — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:55:06 +0000

I’ll take the first definition but not the second. The second requires a paradox… an active intolerance of some things in the interest of tolerance. If you approve of all things… are “tolerant” of all things, then you *must* also be tolerant of ideas that you don’t like and must be *accepting* of other people’s intolerance. Obviously this doesn’t work as an over-all philosophy and that is why the “tolerance = acceptance” folks are among the most IN-tolerant in practice. All they need to do is label something IN-tolerant and they are free to hate it, revile it, and paint nasty slogans on it. The obvious result is that only certain viewpoints, beliefs, and ideologies are acceptable.

This is the antithesis of the word “tolerance” which, when it comes to other people, hasn’t got anything to do with “acceptance” at all… other than accepting other people’s rights to their own beliefs and opinions even when *you* are right and *they* are utterly wrong and you find their existance offensive. Tolerance means that you grin and bear it, not that you sign on as a true believer.

By: JimG

JimG — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:57:55 +0000

To #24, rightwingprof:
My Random House/Webster’s states: “Tolerance-a fair and permissive attitude toward those whose race, religion, beliefs, etc. differ from one’s own.”
“Acceptance-receiving willingly and with approval”
There you go – now make your point.

By: NitPicking4Jesus

NitPicking4Jesus — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:01:32 +0000

I’m still waiting for an explanation of how less than 2 percent of the VF’s contributions coming from a handful of labor groups makes the fund a tool of organized labor….or even how it represents a lionshare?

How come everyone always demands people stay on track here…but only part of the time.

Yes, I’m Raj. After all, there could only be one person who questions the received wisdom here.

Anyway…exlanation, puhleeeeze.

By: Michigan-Matt

Michigan-Matt — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:05:03 +0000

raj, No thanks on another door –it’s too scarey to contemplate which names you’re using here.

Nice job, Calarato –very funny and witty. VdaK would have loved it.

By: Calarato

Calarato — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:19:51 +0000

Wow, so now Ian has joined the “they want to put us gays in concentration camps” brigade, with Kevin?

I hope V is here to see it Pass out the tinfoil, guys! Hat-making classes start at 4… taught by Gryph of course.

By: raj

raj — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:41:53 +0000

Michigan-Matt — April 26, 2006 @ 12:41 pm – April 26, 2006

nitpickin-4-Jesus = raj?

No. Try another door.

By: Synova

Synova — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:53:36 +0000

#12 Refering back up there to labor and attitudes toward gays…

I was just reading, more or less random click-links, about Tony Snow and quite unsurprisingly found myself reading a rant about how stupid people believe whatever Bush & co. feed them… why? Because of gay-love towards Bush. In other words, accusations of homosexuality were considered fair condemnation from the left, toward the right. Sort of like… anything you do or say can be explained by the fact that you’re stupid… except exchange stupid for gay.

Sure, it was one idiot… if I didn’t see the same sort of BS so often, though, I might have found the remarks surprising instead of typical.

By: Michigan-Matt

Michigan-Matt — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:53:20 +0000

Ian writes “Democrats protect your civil rights and do their best to keep the Republicans from rounding you up into concentration camps.”

Ding, ding, ding! Right, Ian. Right on target with the radical GayLeft and Democrat talking points for this week.

Ian’s next time at bat: “Down Street Memo proves Bush lied, Americans died.”

Gosh, it’s getting harder to find someone on the GayLeft that isn’t a tool.

By: Ian

Ian — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:51:55 +0000

Yeah.

Thos gay concentration camps?

They’re called Catholic Seminaries.

By: North Dallas Thirty

North Dallas Thirty — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:45:18 +0000

Actually, they do believe it, Synova. It is established Democratic doctrine that Republicans are operating concentration camps for gays in Washington, Idaho, and Oregon.

By: North Dallas Thirty

North Dallas Thirty — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:44:02 +0000

Democrats protect your civil rights and do their best to keep the Republicans from rounding you up into concentration camps. Really? How is Democrats supporting state and Federal constitutional amendments that strip gays of rights "protecting" us? And as for concentration camps, you and yours claim they already exist. Evidence, please.

By: Synova

Synova — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:41:30 +0000

Except that Democrats don’t, particularly. They’re just really good at convincing people that they *care*. If it’s women or minorities or gays or the little guy/working man or woman, they *care*. Doesn’t matter if what they do works or not or has negative results in the long run, they convinced people that they *care*, so if *they* sign defense of marriage measures it doesn’t really matter because everyone knows what they *really* think. They all know that there were political things going on and that politicians *never* say what they really think (this from my sister who lobbied democrats at the state level.)

Similarly everyone *knows* what Republicans really think… they *never* say it either, but we *know* they’d go for the concentration camps and unequal treatment under the law… that they aren’t *really* concerned about the future effect on marriage or actually even think it’s important… just like the pro-lifers don’t care about babies, but only about doing violence to women.

It’s useful to have an enemy, when it comes to politics, but you can’t *possibly* believe the garbage about concentration camps, can you?

By: North Dallas Thirty

North Dallas Thirty — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:41:27 +0000

Santorum has warned that societies that accept homosexulaity are doomed and will be destroyed

Exact quote, please.

By: Michigan-Matt

Michigan-Matt — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:41:05 +0000

nitpickin-4-Jesus = raj? someone else? Hmmmmmmm

We have to get Bruce to track IP addresses of these multiple personalities.

By: Ian

Ian — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:25:58 +0000

Republicans protect your the bank accounts of rich gay people, and help them find good business connections in their good-ol-boys network.

Democrats protect your civil rights and do their best to keep the Republicans from rounding you up into concentration camps.

Log Cabin Republicans are parasites.

They reap the benefits of their associations with the GOP, while Democrats spend all their time and money trying to protect them from their “friends.”

By: Ian

Ian — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:23:08 +0000

Because Santorum is pro-family!

Just not pro-RightWingProf’s-Family.

“Yeah, Santorum says I want to destroy Western Civilization… but he’s givin’ me a tax cut! Too bad I can’t get married..”

By: Jeremy

Jeremy — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:13:49 +0000

RightWingProf…Santorum has warned that societies that accept homosexulaity are doomed and will be destroyed, implying that America shouldn’t accept gay Americans if she doesn’t want the same consequences.

How can you, as a gay person (I assume), support someone like Santorum in that light?

By: rightwingprof

rightwingprof — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:31:29 +0000

Tolerance just doesn’t happen to be one of them

Since you apparently have a dictionary, look up the distinction between “tolerance” and “acceptance,” then get back to me.