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	<title>Comments on: President Comes up Short on Immigration</title>
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		<title>By: Trace Phelps</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/05/16/president-comes-up-short-on-immigration/#comment-16410</link>
		<dc:creator>Trace Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 02:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say that the president fell short is putting it mildly.

I'm glad President Bush seemed to put border security at the top of the list, but until the border is secured nothing else should be on the table.  The "promise" of amnesty -- and any process that let's illegal aliens obtain legal status without first going home and applying to come back legally is a form of amnesty -- is going to encourage more and more illegal immigration.

I agree with stationing troops on the border until sufficient fulltime Border Patrol agents can be recruited and trained -- but not the National Guard.  Use regular forces.  (Considering the burden the part-time troops in the National Guard have endured in Iraq it's time to let them return to their families, jobs and businesses.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that the president fell short is putting it mildly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad President Bush seemed to put border security at the top of the list, but until the border is secured nothing else should be on the table.  The &#8220;promise&#8221; of amnesty &#8212; and any process that let&#8217;s illegal aliens obtain legal status without first going home and applying to come back legally is a form of amnesty &#8212; is going to encourage more and more illegal immigration.</p>
<p>I agree with stationing troops on the border until sufficient fulltime Border Patrol agents can be recruited and trained &#8212; but not the National Guard.  Use regular forces.  (Considering the burden the part-time troops in the National Guard have endured in Iraq it&#8217;s time to let them return to their families, jobs and businesses.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ted B. (Charging Rhino)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/05/16/president-comes-up-short-on-immigration/#comment-16409</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted B. (Charging Rhino)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 01:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I'm not wild about using the military along the Border, I think that IF you are sending the troops we would be better served by deploying several brigades or a full division of regulars as a long-term redeployment.  To use National Guardsmen might sound more P.C., but those 6,000 troops are not being deployed there, they will be rotated in-and-out on a 2-week-asis every two weeks in lieu of their annual 2-weeks of combat training.  Anyone who was a Boy Scout knows the anarchy the reigns at every summer-camp as Scout troops re-encamp fresh every two weeks.  There will be no time for any sense of familiarity with either the terrain, nor with the Border Patrol detachments they are to support.  They are talking about rotating 156,000 National Guardsmen through the Border deployment EVERY YEAR.  That makes no sense.

It would make better sense to designate several brigades as "border troops" and permanently station then at existing bases along the boredr where they can rotate internally forwards to the Border and back to their nearby bases.  While the US Army has never had "border troops", there's a long tradition of US Cavalry in along the western frontier.  As we slowly withdraw units from Iraq, Germany and the Korean peninsula why not redesignate one light division for "frontier service".  And let them get trained for that duty, learn the terrain, and develop close relationships with their specific Border Patrol-partners and the local residents.  THe more they know the rythyms of the local area, and the inhabitants and landowners along the border, the less-likely another young teenager gets shot while herding his family's goats or cattle like that poor Valenzuela kid a few years back.

And having skillled, trained US troopers with helicopters, Strikers and Bradleys might deter the local drug smugglers and "renegade" Mexican Army units at the same time.  Since this is an international frontier, the &lt;i&gt;Posse Commitas&lt;/i&gt; restrictions for the use of regular US Army troops should be satisfied.

If you are going to send military troops, no half-measures this time.  Send several 8,000-man brigades deployed along the border, and plan that they will be there the next 6 to 10-years.  If someone's imaginative, they could combine it with the Desert Training school and offer it as a route for hot-shot officers.  The US Navy is developing a whole new Littoral Ops doctrine and career-path for it's members.  We now have plenty of troops and officers with real-world experience at desert combat and recon ops experience..let's put them to work.  Not the part-timers of the Guard who will spend half of their two-week deployment just driving to the Border.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m not wild about using the military along the Border, I think that IF you are sending the troops we would be better served by deploying several brigades or a full division of regulars as a long-term redeployment.  To use National Guardsmen might sound more P.C., but those 6,000 troops are not being deployed there, they will be rotated in-and-out on a 2-week-asis every two weeks in lieu of their annual 2-weeks of combat training.  Anyone who was a Boy Scout knows the anarchy the reigns at every summer-camp as Scout troops re-encamp fresh every two weeks.  There will be no time for any sense of familiarity with either the terrain, nor with the Border Patrol detachments they are to support.  They are talking about rotating 156,000 National Guardsmen through the Border deployment EVERY YEAR.  That makes no sense.</p>
<p>It would make better sense to designate several brigades as &#8220;border troops&#8221; and permanently station then at existing bases along the boredr where they can rotate internally forwards to the Border and back to their nearby bases.  While the US Army has never had &#8220;border troops&#8221;, there&#8217;s a long tradition of US Cavalry in along the western frontier.  As we slowly withdraw units from Iraq, Germany and the Korean peninsula why not redesignate one light division for &#8220;frontier service&#8221;.  And let them get trained for that duty, learn the terrain, and develop close relationships with their specific Border Patrol-partners and the local residents.  THe more they know the rythyms of the local area, and the inhabitants and landowners along the border, the less-likely another young teenager gets shot while herding his family&#8217;s goats or cattle like that poor Valenzuela kid a few years back.</p>
<p>And having skillled, trained US troopers with helicopters, Strikers and Bradleys might deter the local drug smugglers and &#8220;renegade&#8221; Mexican Army units at the same time.  Since this is an international frontier, the <i>Posse Commitas</i> restrictions for the use of regular US Army troops should be satisfied.</p>
<p>If you are going to send military troops, no half-measures this time.  Send several 8,000-man brigades deployed along the border, and plan that they will be there the next 6 to 10-years.  If someone&#8217;s imaginative, they could combine it with the Desert Training school and offer it as a route for hot-shot officers.  The US Navy is developing a whole new Littoral Ops doctrine and career-path for it&#8217;s members.  We now have plenty of troops and officers with real-world experience at desert combat and recon ops experience..let&#8217;s put them to work.  Not the part-timers of the Guard who will spend half of their two-week deployment just driving to the Border.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/05/16/president-comes-up-short-on-immigration/#comment-16408</link>
		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 01:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My criticism previously given &lt;a href="http://gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=1296#comment-58290"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

According to &lt;a href="http://www.extrememortman.com/white-house/conservative-blogs-react-to-presidents-immigration-speech/"&gt;this reaction round-up&lt;/a&gt; (hat tip Hugh Hewitt) - Andrew Sullivan, whom Mort identified mistakenly as a "conservative blogger", found almost nothing to criticize in the President's speech.

That, right there, should tell you the President's approach isn't principled, conservative nor workable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My criticism previously given <a href="http://gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=1296#comment-58290">here</a>.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.extrememortman.com/white-house/conservative-blogs-react-to-presidents-immigration-speech/">this reaction round-up</a> (hat tip Hugh Hewitt) - Andrew Sullivan, whom Mort identified mistakenly as a &#8220;conservative blogger&#8221;, found almost nothing to criticize in the President&#8217;s speech.</p>
<p>That, right there, should tell you the President&#8217;s approach isn&#8217;t principled, conservative nor workable.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/05/16/president-comes-up-short-on-immigration/#comment-16407</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 22:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, we agree that is was a good first step.  I just wish he had gone further.

Thanks for your spirited and well-thought out defense of the president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, we agree that is was a good first step.  I just wish he had gone further.</p>
<p>Thanks for your spirited and well-thought out defense of the president.</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/05/16/president-comes-up-short-on-immigration/#comment-16406</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 21:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Dan &#38; Bruce, as the former governor of Texas and someone whose family is touched by 1st generation hispanics, there aren't many policymakers who have a better sense than GWB of what a balanced, compassionate approach to the issues of illegal and legal immigration, protection of borders, and keeping the Amercian dream alive for those within and outside the US.

Let's face it, until the sirens of the Right started a screaming mantra at screeching decibles about illegal aliens, it was NOT and issue on many policymakers' radar screen.  The ceaseless din from Fox, Dobbs on CNN and the MSM sensing a moving issue with gravitas, these matters would still not be even a blip on the radar screen.

From a compassionate, balanced perspective, I think GWB made the first needed steps.  Does it solve the problem?  Not likely.  Will Congress and state governors get into and make it a spending and throw more money at the problem affair?  Sure, you can bet on it.

The problem I'm having more with our right-tilting base in the party is that they've become enamored of the notion that the perfect should trump the pragmatic and the possible  --complete with dewy-eyed longings for another RR.  Politics is about leadership for sure, but it's also about compromise.

The outline of GWB's plan doesn't answer all the questions --but it's a good first step.  Congress will likely muck it up.

Let's not make the reach for the perfect stymie the possible or pragmatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Dan &amp; Bruce, as the former governor of Texas and someone whose family is touched by 1st generation hispanics, there aren&#8217;t many policymakers who have a better sense than GWB of what a balanced, compassionate approach to the issues of illegal and legal immigration, protection of borders, and keeping the Amercian dream alive for those within and outside the US.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, until the sirens of the Right started a screaming mantra at screeching decibles about illegal aliens, it was NOT and issue on many policymakers&#8217; radar screen.  The ceaseless din from Fox, Dobbs on CNN and the MSM sensing a moving issue with gravitas, these matters would still not be even a blip on the radar screen.</p>
<p>From a compassionate, balanced perspective, I think GWB made the first needed steps.  Does it solve the problem?  Not likely.  Will Congress and state governors get into and make it a spending and throw more money at the problem affair?  Sure, you can bet on it.</p>
<p>The problem I&#8217;m having more with our right-tilting base in the party is that they&#8217;ve become enamored of the notion that the perfect should trump the pragmatic and the possible  &#8211;complete with dewy-eyed longings for another RR.  Politics is about leadership for sure, but it&#8217;s also about compromise.</p>
<p>The outline of GWB&#8217;s plan doesn&#8217;t answer all the questions &#8211;but it&#8217;s a good first step.  Congress will likely muck it up.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not make the reach for the perfect stymie the possible or pragmatic.</p>
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		<title>By: sonicfrog</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/05/16/president-comes-up-short-on-immigration/#comment-16405</link>
		<dc:creator>sonicfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 21:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem, I think, is that by tackling this issue six years into his presidency, at a time when his poll numbers are very low, this feels like a desperate attempt  to bolster lost support rather than fix the problem. I know he hasn't wavered much from his earlier statements on the subject, but this all feels insincere. After all, unlike the 9 / 11 attacks, it's not as if this is a new or suddenly pressing problem, it has been a neglected issue just as energy policy has been for the last 30 years. It should have been addressed allot sooner in his presidency. For what it's worth, I do think the presidents approach is sensible, though some details need to be hashed over more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem, I think, is that by tackling this issue six years into his presidency, at a time when his poll numbers are very low, this feels like a desperate attempt  to bolster lost support rather than fix the problem. I know he hasn&#8217;t wavered much from his earlier statements on the subject, but this all feels insincere. After all, unlike the 9 / 11 attacks, it&#8217;s not as if this is a new or suddenly pressing problem, it has been a neglected issue just as energy policy has been for the last 30 years. It should have been addressed allot sooner in his presidency. For what it&#8217;s worth, I do think the presidents approach is sensible, though some details need to be hashed over more.</p>
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