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On Gay Marriage, Gay Activists Prefer Insults to Debate

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 11:07 pm - June 5, 2006.
Filed under: Bush-hatred,Gay Marriage,General

On Saturday and again today the president made his case for a constitutional amendment defining marriage. If opponents of the amendment were serious about debating this important issue, they would have offered thoughtful rebuttals taking issue with his arguments. They could thus have turned the occasion of the President’s public statement into an opportunity to advance their own cause — promoting gay marriage.

Leaders of gay organizations have, however, attacked the president (in rather childish terms) and ignored his arguments. Instead of contributing to the debate on gay marriage, they have provided more rhetoric for the burgeoning files of Bush-hatred. And won few converts to their cause. Despite some recent sensible actions, on this issue, the ostensibly Republican gay group, Log Cabin, has shown itself to be no different from the left-of-center gay activists.

All have used language which further poisons political discourse on gay issues.

In a statement filled with hysterical language (at odds with his recent statement on anti-gay actions in Moscow), Matt Foreman, Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF) called the president’s action an “immoral attack on gay people, our families and fundamental humanity.” Geez, the president may be wrong on this one, but all he’s doing is offering his opinion on an important social issue. And while his solution may be the wrong one, his remarks did not include any attack on gay people or their families.

Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights campaign (HRC) who seems to have made it a priority for his organization to avoid debate of gay marriage, called the president “out of touch.” His statement on the president’s address was similarly inflammatory, faulting the president for using his radio address “to divide us as nation” (as if no president had previously addressed a divisive issue in his radio address) and for suggesting he has failed to “lay out an agenda to address the challenges facing our country.” But, I guess to Joe Solmonese the failure to lay out an agenda to his liking means the failure to lay out an agenda altogether.

It seems that on the issue of gay marriage, an issue which is indeed controversial, all Joe can do is call the president’s position divisive while failing to put forward an agenda on the topic which might unite the nation.

In a longer piece which Bruce wisely posted on this blog, Log Cabin President Patrick Guerriero also seems to prefer name-calling to serious discussion. The tone of his open letter to the president hardly seems that of one Republican writing to another. He lectures the president, calling his stand an “insult” as well as “offensive and unworthy of the office of the Presidency”! Great way to engage someone with whom you disagree!. Seems he’s been taking lessons from some of those who comment to our blog.


Hugh Hewitt, Mary Cheney and Gay Marriage

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 8:35 pm - June 5, 2006.
Filed under: Gay America,Gay Marriage

Just listened to Mary Cheney on Hugh Hewitt’s show. Mary did a great job and I delighted in discovering that Hugh and I do agree on one aspect of debate on gay marriage. Hugh wondered why Democrats were so afraid of discussing this. While Hugh and I come to different conclusions on a constitutional amendment defining marriage, both of us welcome the debate.

To that MPA supporter’s credit, he gave a full hour to an outspoken opponent of that amendment. To be sure, they discussed a great variety of issues and did not limit their discussion to gay marriage. I found myself agreeing with that opponent, i.e., Mary, on every political point she made. She stated her opposition to the amendment and noted that both her parents (i.e., the Vice President of the United States and his wife Lynne) have spoken out against it. But, like me, Mary finds the War on Terror to be a more important issue.

Hugh references the interview here where I assume he’ll provide a link to the transcript once it’s up. I’ll let you know as soon as I do.

On Hugh’s blog, his co-blogger Mary Katherine Ham did a short post on the Marriage Protection Amendment and linked a post that I had linked last April, Jane’s Galt’s “A really, really, really long post about gay marriage that does not, in the end, support one side or the other” I’m delighted that while Mary Katherine who apparently supports the amendment and I who oppose it, both agree that Jane Galt’s piece is one of the best on the topic. Like Dale Carpenter, Jane Galt has clearly contributed to the debate on the topic in a civil and responsible manner. I wish more people would so contribute.

Thanks to Mary Katherine Ham for reminding me of such an important piece and to Hugh for such a great interview with Mary Cheney.

It is telling that, since the release of her most excellent new book, conservatives have paid more attention to — and shown more respect for — Mary Cheney than have gay activists.

-Dan (AKA GayPatriotWest):

WELCOME HUGH HEWITT READERS!!! While you’re here, please feel free to browse around what one writer called “the most reliably conservative gay blog on the Internet.” I have done a number of posts on Mary’s book, noting how it shows what a good man the Vice President is, recommending it as a “must-read” book and noting that a gay bookstore in West Hollywood doesn’t carry the book while it does carry books by America-hating leftist Noam Chomsky.

And I just concluded a lengthy post noting how most gay activists (including the ostensibly Republican group, Log Cabin) prefer to insult the president than debate him on gay marriage.

UPDATE: As Calarato reminded me in a comment, Hugh, like me, loved Mary’s book. Do yourself a favor and buy it!

(Sales on amazon have jumped from 4,563 yesterday to 1,767 today — must be because Mary came across so well on Hugh’s show.)

MPA Debate: Patrick Guerriero’s Letter To President Bush

Issued earlier today from Log Cabin Republicans:

Dear Mr. President,

On behalf of millions of gay and lesbian Americans, I write to denounce your decision to divide the American family by promoting an amendment that would insert discrimination into the United States Constitution.  Your decision to use the grounds of the White House—America’s House—to advance discrimination is an insult to millions of fair minded Americans from all walks of life.

Mr. President, gay and lesbian Americans pay taxes, contribute to community and family life across our great  nation, and worship the same all-loving and compassionate God.  Thousands of gay and lesbian Americans, under your command, serve proudly in our nation’s military, fighting to win the war on terror and promoting liberty across the globe.  Your effort to codify discrimination against our families, including men and women in uniform while the nation is at war, is offensive and unworthy of the office of the Presidency.  Great Republican Presidents from Abraham Lincoln to Ronald Reagan have united Americans and appealed to our best hopes, not our worst fears.

Wedge-issue politics may score short-term political points but will end up eroding your ability as President to unite the American people behind winning the war in Iraq, enhancing border security, advancing immigration reform, and controlling spending. Your call for “civility and decency” in this debate rings hollow because the effort to write discrimination into our Constitution is intolerant and uncivil.

While Americans deserve a chance to debate contentious issues, the constitutional amendment process you propose denies states the right to handle this issue as they deem appropriate.  This proposal runs completely counter to our Party’s conservative belief in federalism.  We suggest you listen to your own Vice President who has reminded us that this is an issue that should be left to the states.  And, we suggest you listen to your former U.N. Ambassador and former United States Senator John Danforth (R-MO) who has called this amendment one of the silliest ever proposed in our nation’s history.

While decent Americans can respectfully disagree about how to offer fairness to our families, your White House event today further legitimizes the voices of intolerance who have made an industry out of denigrating gay and lesbian Americans.  That legitimization has sadly fueled discriminatory state amendments across America that go beyond denying civil marriage equality—by denying even domestic partnerships or civil unions that allow for hospital visitation, inheritance rights, and basic dignity to life-long loving couples.

Mr. President, the White House has been the site of historic legislative triumphs that expanded liberty and opportunity for the American people—from expanding equal opportunity for women to the signing of the Civil Rights Act to the Americans with Disabilities Act.  Today, you desecrate America’s House by using the White House grounds to denigrate part of the American family.  History recalls those moments in America’s past when our nation’s leaders expanded liberty and fairness for American citizens. History also remembers those political leaders who have stood in the doorway of equality and tolerance.

Mr. President, may God bless our great nation—and each and every American who believes in the promise of the Declaration of Independence that all Americans are created equal.

-Bruce (GayPatriot)

Where’s the Debate on Gay Marriage?

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 5:19 pm - June 5, 2006.
Filed under: Gay America,Gay Marriage,National Politics

One of the things contributing to my sour mood of late has been my dashed hopes for a serious debate on gay marriage. I don’t hold with those (like HRC’s Solmonese) who see this latest Senate debate as a distraction from the real issues of the day.

As our society becomes increasingly accepting of homosexuality, it’s essential that we address the issue of state recognition of gay unions. It is quite possibly the most serious social issue facing gay America and we should be delighted of the national attention it is getting.

But, from what little I’ve seen of the Senate debate, it’s been most depressing. Instead of addressing the merits (or lack thereof) of the proposed constitutional amendment. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid has been using the debate (just like the gay groups, including Log Cabin*) as an excuse to bash Bush. Advocates of the amendment, by and large, seem to think that gay couples threaten marriage while ignoring (what even serious social conservatives see as) an even worse threat to the institution, divorce. (More on this anon.)

I have favored a debate on this amendment, even though I oppose it, because I had hoped it would raise a serious discussion of two very important questions: (1) how the state should treat same-sex unions; and (2) what is the role of the constitution in “settling” such contentious social issues.

Perhaps I’m just naive to believe that people can responsibly debate contentious social issues. (Some of the comments to this blog should have disabused me of this naivete long ago.)

One of the reasons I have cited Dale Carpenter in two recent posts (here and here) is that he for one is making the most of the recent debate and offering serious arguments on this important topic. Perhaps there are some Senators, like New Hampshire’s John Sununu in the last Senate debate, who are making good arguments (speeches which I did not discover when I checked the debate on TV or on the web).

But, for now it appears to me that the debate I had hoped to see is not coming to pass. I’ll try to do my utmost (on this blog at least) in the next few days to rectify that.

-Dan (AKA GayPatriotWest):

*More on this anon, I hope.

UPDATE: Seems Stephen Miller at Indegayforum agrees with me:

the response of even those Democrats and moderate Republicans voting against it–i.e., suggesting the topic itself is unworthy of debate–is also indefensible. What a display of gay political impotence all round, and a missed opportunity to make a positive case for the principle of equality (or even something closer to equality, such as civil unions)

Wondering Why AOL Highlights Article on 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 4:34 pm - June 5, 2006.
Filed under: Bush-hatred,Media Bias,Post 9-11 America

I’m trying to figure out what to make of AOL’s decision to feature on its Welcome Page, the news item, Skeptics Seek ‘9/11 Truth’. Are they doing this to show how loony some of these people are — or because they too believe that under President Bush, the government “would plan, then execute, a scheme to murder thousands of its own“? Do AOL’s editors, like these conspiracy theorists believe that “the motive for faking a terrorist attack was to allow the administration ‘to instantly implement policies its members have long supported, but which were otherwise infeasible.’

To be sure, such gatherings of fringe figures make interesting news, so I’m guessing AOL wanted to spotlight their silliness. But, sometimes I wonder, given the bias of AOL headlines in general, if some of their editors actually believe this nonsense.

(If the AOL link doesn’t work for you, try this one.)

More Debate On The MPA…Our Own Mistakes Plague Progress

Posted by Bruce Carroll at 7:12 am - June 5, 2006.
Filed under: Gay Marriage,Gay Politics

North Dallas Thirty, now firmly rooted over at GayOrbit, has a great posting about how the gay community has as much to blame for our “marriage predicament” as the pandering politicians.

A Voice In The Wilderness – NDT @ GayOrbit

Simply put, polls show that a solid majority of the public supports repealing DADT, anti-discrimination provisions, and establishing pathways to limited legal protections for same-sex couples.

We have sallied forth and spent millions of dollars promoting gay marriage — which a solid majority of the public opposes.

Furthermore, along the way, we’ve put ourselves in the pretzel position of roundly criticizing state and Federal initiatives against gay marriage, but continuing the flow of dollars and endorsements to those on the left who support them.

NDT references a longer column on the subject by Mike Fleming in this week’s Southern Voice. (Yes, Virginia.  There’s a gay agenda, and it’s totally wack)  Read the whole thing!  It is brilliant.

I wrote a similar column (pre-GayPatriot) two years ago.  (That photo of me is just hideous.  Luckily you would never recognize me on the street using that mug shot!  *grin*).

A Fine Mess We’re In Now – Bruce Carroll @ Washington Blade

The path to gay marriage is not to force Americans to accept a morality they are not prepared to embrace. Instead of radical gay groups spending their precious few dollars, time and resources engaging in court fights and street battles, it’s time to turn our attention to the hearts and minds of mainstream America.

What is needed is a fundamental and, most importantly, mature awareness campaign across the country about what it is to be a gay or lesbian American today. We all need to be willing to come out of our closets — proverbial or not — and let our friends, family and work colleagues know who we are.

Let them know that we pay our taxes just like them. Let them know we experience the ups and downs of daily life just like them. Let them know that we want the same financial, job and relationship security that they enjoy. Let them know that we want to be as tolerant of their long-standing religious beliefs as we want them to be tolerant of ours.

Until the leaders of these radical gay groups come to grips that they have wasted precious years on counterproductive strategies, we will continue to face these predictable setbacks to gay marriage and other issues with increasing frequency.

Until all of us start reaching out to mainstream Americans, instead of shouting in their faces, we will continue to be responsible for our own failures. 

I was roundly derided and called a gay traitor by those who wrote about it.  Interestingly, one of the friends mentioned in the article no longer speaks to me, and in fact, “outed” me to a gay activist who would later tried to get me fired from my private sector job.

Nevertheless, I thought I was right then, I am more convinced of it today.  Yet we still allow unaccountability of defeat to reign at the Human Rights Campaign, Log Cabin, and National Gay & Lesbian Task Force.  Is our community destined to keep our victimhood status forever?  I hope not.

GayPatriot is at attempt to communicate to the people we need to educate.  Not each other, but the other 90% of America who is not gay or lesbian.  I hope we continue to do that job every day.

Being a leader means having the courage to stick your neck out and actually lead people in a new direction.  Our gay groups still have not developed an education and communications strategy to actually lead and not simply follow each other around in the same old worn-out circles laced with anti-American, anti-military, pro-abortion and pro-socialist diatribes that are topped off with hateful anti-religious bigotry.

Maybe the opening at Log Cabin is the opportunity for a true gay leader to emerge.  I’m not holding my breath.

-Bruce (GayPatriot)

An Article on Gay Marriage I’d Like to See

Posted by GayPatriotWest at 3:19 am - June 5, 2006.
Filed under: Gay Marriage

If I were less tired, I might think of a witty way to summarize Dale Carpenter’s clever post offering a news report I’d like to see. And this hope-filled post has more solid fact and argument than we find in most commentary on gay marriage. It’s too bad most advocates of gay marriage are unwilling to make the arguments that Dale has made. So just read the whole thing and you’ll understand why I have called Dale “one of the sharpest (if not the sharpest) advocates of gay marriage.”

H/t: Instapundit.