An Article on Gay Marriage I’d Like to See
If I were less tired, I might think of a witty way to summarize Dale Carpenter’s clever post offering a news report I’d like to see. And this hope-filled post has more solid fact and argument than we find in most commentary on gay marriage. It’s too bad most advocates of gay marriage are unwilling to make the arguments that Dale has made. So just read the whole thing and you’ll understand why I have called Dale “one of the sharpest (if not the sharpest) advocates of gay marriage.”
H/t: Instapundit.
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Someone argued that the MPA is being considered because of the leftist gays pushing an anti-American agenda.
The President and the GOP are after the MPA because the God that Republican party believes that the God America stands under hates fags.
I couldn’t be more straight, but I’m glad that the hard truth of your misdirected trust is now hitting home and biting you on the ass.
Comment by David Jones — June 5, 2006 @ 3:37 am - June 5, 2006
You realize that the post you linked to repeats many of the arguments being made by those “left wing gays” you dislike so much?
Comment by John — June 5, 2006 @ 3:56 am - June 5, 2006
#3. Yawn. So…um…original? I’m with #2.
Comment by jimmy — June 5, 2006 @ 4:09 am - June 5, 2006
John in #2, perhaps it repeats those arguments. The arguments Dale makes are sound ones. And even if I (as you claim, but never have said myself) dislike those “left-wing gays,” it has long been my policy to praise left-of-center gay groups when they make solid arguments. If you’ve read my posts, you’d know that — as this one praising NGLTF shows.
If you’d bothered to read this blog rather than rely on hearsay to evaluate my opinions you’d know that my issue has always been the level — and tone — of the conversation. But, for some silly reason, not based in my arguments, you think I “dislike” left-wing gays “so much.” I don’t dislike them; I just think their manner of discussion is, on the whole, juvenile and counterproductive.
It’s too bad my critics would rather make catty comments than acknowledge where I praise solid arguments, no matter their source.
But, at least your comments do add amusement to this enterprise.
Comment by Dan (AKA GayPatriotWest) — June 5, 2006 @ 4:27 am - June 5, 2006
The most interesting thing about Carpenter’s linked-to post over at Volokh.com is that a few of the commenters there apparently failed to recognize that it was obviously a joke. The thing about the NSA monitoring the president’s telephone calls and then leaking their contents was a sure give-away.
Comment by raj — June 5, 2006 @ 11:08 am - June 5, 2006
I read your blog. You complain about any non-conservative gay group, even when you have to invent things to do it.
Comment by John — June 5, 2006 @ 12:12 pm - June 5, 2006
I couldn’t be more straight, but I’m glad that the hard truth of your misdirected trust is now hitting home and biting you on the ass.
Mhm, and that’s why you want us to keep voting for leftists like Howard Dean, who appear on The 700 Club to tell us that Dems believe God hates fags as well.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 5, 2006 @ 12:54 pm - June 5, 2006
#6, notice #7. Now Howard Dean said that God hates fags. Talk about making shit up!!
Comment by jimmy — June 5, 2006 @ 1:08 pm - June 5, 2006
But of course, jimmy; Howard Dean said on The 700 Club that the Democratic Party shares the values and beliefs of Pat Robertson and his ilk, and you say their values and beliefs are that God hates fags.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 5, 2006 @ 4:31 pm - June 5, 2006
John in #6, I’m not aware of any conservative gay groups.
You’ve made a claim, fine, now prove it. I’ve already shown how inaccurate your first comment is and, in your response, you refuse to address the point I raised (in response to yours). And now you make an allegation without bothering to back it up with evidence.
How typical of some of our critics, bait rather than debate.
Comment by GayPatriotWest — June 5, 2006 @ 4:40 pm - June 5, 2006
jimmy, can you finally –even at this late, late date– FINALLY understand why when WeScream4HowieDean said what he said on the 700 Club, he severely damaged our standing with middle class, white, pro-religion America? Do you get it even when NDXXX puts a fine point on the pencil for you?
I think not, jimmy. Those blinders they handed you down on the Democrat Plantation make seeing anything outside the box a tough act for you to perform.
Howie Dean went on Uncle Pat’s Show to demonstrate the Democrats are not leaving any rock unturned in looking for votes. But let’s see, he did that after downsizing the Gay Office at the DNC, then making it into less outreach and more of a profit center… and then he closed it… then Howie Dean fired staff members for being too strong in gay advocacy… then he hired a Yes Man puppet to lead the parade. Oh yeah, the HowieDean who loves gays! Not his evil twin brother.
Oh yeah, Dean thinks God Hates Fags. Just like Phelps. Maybe the Democrats can pass a law prohibiting Dean from coming within 500 ft of a microphone because he self-destructs? Isn’t that why NancyP and HarryReid took him to the woodshed and cleaned his clock last winter? I think so. We don’t need no more stinking shouting speeches about all the trips to Oklahoma and Nebraska and Oregon and….
But you party on jimmy. Enjoy the waning rays of sunshine on the Democrat Plantation… you’re getting evicted in the fall.
Comment by Michigan-Matt — June 5, 2006 @ 4:43 pm - June 5, 2006
Yeah, you’ve convinced me, the Republican and the fundamentalist Christians want to ban gay marriage forever… but so do those leftist and moderate Democrats, no doubt.
Everyone knows that those on the Democratic side have a history of religious bias against gays that goes back for years.
You know, one thing I’m learning from right-wingers is to “adjust” history and facts to suit my point of view.
Add a few invectives, a few red herrings to anyone that dare challenge your viewpoint and you too can be an master apologist for a failed, hateful, intolerant ideology.
You guys make it look so easy… now I just need to work on the “being rude to make a point” part.
Comment by David Jones — June 5, 2006 @ 4:55 pm - June 5, 2006
David, I sugest you sit through an airing of AirAmerica for those lessons… or maybe Jon Stewart’s pseudo-news show… or maybe CNN?
I forget, issn’t James Carville a Democrat? Al Gore? Slick Willy? Tell me about “adjusting” history… LOL!
Comment by Michigan-Matt — June 5, 2006 @ 10:26 pm - June 5, 2006
#13 by Michigan-Matt — June 5, 2006 @ 10:26 pm – June 5, 2006
…or maybe Jon Stewart’s pseudo-news show…
Apparently, you aren’t able to keep your Augen-Jalousien (eye-lids) open much past 10PM. Stewart on his show acknowledges it to be a fake-news show–although, quite frankly, it has more news than most purportedly-real news shows. Is that your complaint about Stewart’s show? That it has more news than most purportedly-real news shows?
On the righties’ standpoint, it would be nice if the purveyors of Faux News would acknowledge that their “news” programs were also fake news, but I doubt if they ever will. Nor will the brain-dead people at Weakly Standard or National Review Online. Oh, please, give me a break. Did they actually put Jonah Goldberg, whose only claim to fame was that he was Lucianne “Linda Tripp” Goldberg in charge of their web site?
Whatever. The best usage of the dead-tree edition of the NYTimes, the WaPo, the WaTimes, the NR, the Weakly Standard, usw, is for bird-cage liner or fish wrapping. I’ll stick to the foreign language press. And to “Jon Stewart’s pseudo-news show.” It actually is carried over here in Germany.
Comment by raj — June 6, 2006 @ 2:09 am - June 6, 2006
raj baby, to each his own. I think Jon Stewart –like Martin Sheen from West Wing getting identified as a past president by 68% of incoming freshmen at US colleges last fall– has replaced real news anchors in the minds of his target audience… uninformed, suspicious, 16-29 yr olds either still living with Mommie & Daddie or living off Mommie & Daddie. Jon is doing yeoman service for the Left by turning all those minds over to the Dark Side at an early age –but he’s making cynics out of them and cynics tend to grow up and bite the hand that fed them.
I’m not surprised you watch him, raj. It fits. Anyone who caters to your sneering contempt for America ought to be attractive to you.
Paging Cindy Sheehan… Michael Moore… George Soros… raj is on Line #1 from Germany.
Comment by Michigan-Matt — June 6, 2006 @ 10:48 am - June 6, 2006
#15 Michigan-Matt — June 6, 2006 @ 10:48 am – June 6, 2006
I’m not surprised you watch him (Jon Stewart), raj.
Oh, you don’t really believe that I would be watching Faux New’s 11PM re-broadcast of the O’Snidely Report–the All-Spin-Zone–do you? I haven’t watched O’Snidely since I picked up on his formula years ago.
I never paid much attention to Faux News, but their silliness was cemented for me in the spring of 2001, a few months after George was inaugurated. Remember when the Chinese government forced down an American surveillance plane? Faux News seemed to be “covering” it 24/7 (I’m exaggerating, but not by much). Early one morning, as I was preparing to head to the gym, the Faux News commentator (I hesitate to call her a reporter) said, over an incessant video of the plane, basically that they didn’t have the slightest idea what was going on, but that they were going to continue talking about it, anyway. It took a while for me to get off the floor, I was laughing so hard.
That pretty much sealed it for me. Faux News: No News, All The Time.
Comment by raj — June 6, 2006 @ 11:38 pm - June 6, 2006
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