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	<title>Comments on: Senate Rejects MPA; Debate Should Continue</title>
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		<title>By: thaddeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>thaddeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greetings!  let&#039;s focus on the the issue of religious vs secular... religious &quot;clubs&quot; (who by their nature are discriminatory) will never support gay marriage... the government, being secular must provide a secular solution; that would be civil unions, ie: recognition by the state, not a religious sanction.  the two should be forever separate.  i&#039;ve always felt this was incorrectly framed from the beginning</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greetings!  let&#8217;s focus on the the issue of religious vs secular&#8230; religious &#8220;clubs&#8221; (who by their nature are discriminatory) will never support gay marriage&#8230; the government, being secular must provide a secular solution; that would be civil unions, ie: recognition by the state, not a religious sanction.  the two should be forever separate.  i&#8217;ve always felt this was incorrectly framed from the beginning</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FMA is dead for now (thank goodness). I think the the gay community in general is taking this waaay too seriously. If President Bush really wanted this thing to pass, all stops would have been pulled. His tepid support for it speaks volumes. Try to just unplug yourself from the whole thing &amp; look at it from a distance. And don&#039;t forget, he supports civil unions, which looking back just 6 years ago was a radical position. Now its mainstream. So cheer up folks. If they can&#039;t even get a majority under the best of circumstances, what does that say in the long run?  They sound as if they&#039;re desperately tring to beat the clock (pass this thing before opinion eventually turns our way).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FMA is dead for now (thank goodness). I think the the gay community in general is taking this waaay too seriously. If President Bush really wanted this thing to pass, all stops would have been pulled. His tepid support for it speaks volumes. Try to just unplug yourself from the whole thing &amp; look at it from a distance. And don&#8217;t forget, he supports civil unions, which looking back just 6 years ago was a radical position. Now its mainstream. So cheer up folks. If they can&#8217;t even get a majority under the best of circumstances, what does that say in the long run?  They sound as if they&#8217;re desperately tring to beat the clock (pass this thing before opinion eventually turns our way).</p>
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		<title>By: donny</title>
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		<dc:creator>donny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 05:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High five to the god of biscuits. Why indeed do the Patriots insist on debate without actually joining one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High five to the god of biscuits. Why indeed do the Patriots insist on debate without actually joining one?</p>
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		<title>By: God of Biscuits</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/06/07/senate-rejects-mpa-debate-should-continue/comment-page-1/#comment-17279</link>
		<dc:creator>God of Biscuits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GayPatriotWest, it&#039;s been discussed many times, but people don&#039;t want to hear about how the constitution is in place to limit government, not the people under that government.  people don&#039;t care about equality, they just care that they&#039;re getting at least as much as anyone else is.

You&#039;re the Rightwing gay boy, why aren&#039;t YOU trotting out why you oppose the amendment, and challenging every last one in your party in favor of it???

Isn&#039;t that supposed  to be your savin grace?  changing your party from within it?

Or is it just easier to label a Big Bad &quot;GayLeft&quot; and leave it at that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GayPatriotWest, it&#8217;s been discussed many times, but people don&#8217;t want to hear about how the constitution is in place to limit government, not the people under that government.  people don&#8217;t care about equality, they just care that they&#8217;re getting at least as much as anyone else is.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the Rightwing gay boy, why aren&#8217;t YOU trotting out why you oppose the amendment, and challenging every last one in your party in favor of it???</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that supposed  to be your savin grace?  changing your party from within it?</p>
<p>Or is it just easier to label a Big Bad &#8220;GayLeft&#8221; and leave it at that?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GayPatriotWest,

It appears nobody is, or too few people are, truly discussing the amendment in a civil fashion.

Let&#039;s examine: The president never mentions gays and lesbians when discussing his support of the amendment.  Supporters who are politicians seem to speak ad nauseum about &quot;activist&quot; judges, the welfare of children, family being the foundation of society, but they never seem to publicly talk about gays and lesbians, or to suggest ways in which we can obtain similar legal recognition (Bush did speak of support of civil unions on the eve of his re-election, but civil unions are still not recognized federally).  Supporters who are religious conservatives do not listen to gays&#039; and lesbians&#039; stories; they simply believe that marriage is between one man and one woman, and will publicly state that homosexuality is wrong.

Then, of course, after a lifetime of being bullied in school, of being worried about losing our jobs if our bosses find out, of feeling forced to marry to appease our families and communities, gays and lesbians feel angry.  Yes, many times, we have a knee-jerk emotional reaction to people who talk about and around us rather than talking to us.

No, Bush-bashing and yelling don&#039;t promote debate, but one has to acknowledge the difficulty in combatting [religious]indoctrination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GayPatriotWest,</p>
<p>It appears nobody is, or too few people are, truly discussing the amendment in a civil fashion.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s examine: The president never mentions gays and lesbians when discussing his support of the amendment.  Supporters who are politicians seem to speak ad nauseum about &#8220;activist&#8221; judges, the welfare of children, family being the foundation of society, but they never seem to publicly talk about gays and lesbians, or to suggest ways in which we can obtain similar legal recognition (Bush did speak of support of civil unions on the eve of his re-election, but civil unions are still not recognized federally).  Supporters who are religious conservatives do not listen to gays&#8217; and lesbians&#8217; stories; they simply believe that marriage is between one man and one woman, and will publicly state that homosexuality is wrong.</p>
<p>Then, of course, after a lifetime of being bullied in school, of being worried about losing our jobs if our bosses find out, of feeling forced to marry to appease our families and communities, gays and lesbians feel angry.  Yes, many times, we have a knee-jerk emotional reaction to people who talk about and around us rather than talking to us.</p>
<p>No, Bush-bashing and yelling don&#8217;t promote debate, but one has to acknowledge the difficulty in combatting [religious]indoctrination.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And John, fair point, but what about opponents of the amendment?  THey have been equally unwilling to discuss the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And John, fair point, but what about opponents of the amendment?  THey have been equally unwilling to discuss the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it laughable (and a little sad) that you expected a debate. All we have heard from proponents of the amendment is warning of some vague disruption of society that is inevitable if gay marriages are legally recognized. When pressed for specifics, we hear.... silence. Nothing about how this will happen, what specific aspects of gay marriage will lead Ward and June to toss out their marriage vows and their kids, nothing. This was never anything but a little showcase to galvanize religious right voters, and I&#039;m mystified that anyone expected anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it laughable (and a little sad) that you expected a debate. All we have heard from proponents of the amendment is warning of some vague disruption of society that is inevitable if gay marriages are legally recognized. When pressed for specifics, we hear&#8230;. silence. Nothing about how this will happen, what specific aspects of gay marriage will lead Ward and June to toss out their marriage vows and their kids, nothing. This was never anything but a little showcase to galvanize religious right voters, and I&#8217;m mystified that anyone expected anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Trace Phelps</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/06/07/senate-rejects-mpa-debate-should-continue/comment-page-1/#comment-17275</link>
		<dc:creator>Trace Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rightwingprof, in number 5: I&#039;m not disputing what you said, because I don&#039;t know.  I would appreciate it, however, if you&#039;d cite the states that ban epileptics and autistics from getting married.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rightwingprof, in number 5: I&#8217;m not disputing what you said, because I don&#8217;t know.  I would appreciate it, however, if you&#8217;d cite the states that ban epileptics and autistics from getting married.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this was supposed to be for debate, then why didn&#039;t President Bush have any people who oppose the amendment standing with him when he gave his big speech on this issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this was supposed to be for debate, then why didn&#8217;t President Bush have any people who oppose the amendment standing with him when he gave his big speech on this issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Trace Phelps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trace Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, those using &quot;debate time&quot; to criticize President Bush had legitimate complaints.  Every direction one looks there are serious problems facing this country yet the president, knowing full well that the amendment didn&#039;t stand a chance, encouraged three days of debate for no other reason than to pander to the most extreme of the Republican base.

And, Dan, it just wasn&#039;t Democrats criticizing the president.  No one can question the Republican credentials of longtime GOP strategist Ed Rollins.  Here&#039;s what he said about Bush&#039;s promotion of the marriage amendment:

&quot;What the president needs to do is look like a leader, not be somebody who looks like a politician who is overreacting to polls...If anything, he is reminding people of what they don&#039;t like about the Republican Party.&quot;

(Of course, there were a couple of benefits from the debate.  Like seeing soon to be ex-Senator Santorum make a fool of himself ranting about sodomy and [indirectly] masturbation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, those using &#8220;debate time&#8221; to criticize President Bush had legitimate complaints.  Every direction one looks there are serious problems facing this country yet the president, knowing full well that the amendment didn&#8217;t stand a chance, encouraged three days of debate for no other reason than to pander to the most extreme of the Republican base.</p>
<p>And, Dan, it just wasn&#8217;t Democrats criticizing the president.  No one can question the Republican credentials of longtime GOP strategist Ed Rollins.  Here&#8217;s what he said about Bush&#8217;s promotion of the marriage amendment:</p>
<p>&#8220;What the president needs to do is look like a leader, not be somebody who looks like a politician who is overreacting to polls&#8230;If anything, he is reminding people of what they don&#8217;t like about the Republican Party.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Of course, there were a couple of benefits from the debate.  Like seeing soon to be ex-Senator Santorum make a fool of himself ranting about sodomy and [indirectly] masturbation.)</p>
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		<title>By: God of Biscuits</title>
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		<dc:creator>God of Biscuits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  So you manage to find the silver lining for such a horrible, hateful, limiting, anti-constitutionally-spirited vote, but yet you categorically demonize a &quot;GayLeft&quot;?

Again.  Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  So you manage to find the silver lining for such a horrible, hateful, limiting, anti-constitutionally-spirited vote, but yet you categorically demonize a &#8220;GayLeft&#8221;?</p>
<p>Again.  Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It would be lovely if we could persuade state legislatures to act; we also, however, need to educate anti-gay conservatives to the proper role of the courts&quot;
Actually what you should be doing is showing the American public that the gay community has the maturity to take on the responsiblities of marriage.  Start by celebrating Mary Cheney and her long term commitment to Heather. Or the  likes of Michigan Matt who takes the role of being a partner and a Dad, without whining about what society owes him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It would be lovely if we could persuade state legislatures to act; we also, however, need to educate anti-gay conservatives to the proper role of the courts&#8221;<br />
Actually what you should be doing is showing the American public that the gay community has the maturity to take on the responsiblities of marriage.  Start by celebrating Mary Cheney and her long term commitment to Heather. Or the  likes of Michigan Matt who takes the role of being a partner and a Dad, without whining about what society owes him</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18 - You&#039;re waiting for them to find &quot;a gay gene&quot;?  Outdated concept.

The brain difference they&#039;ve found between straight and gay people - and they are real, and need explaining  - are currently hypothesized to be a result of developmental events in pregnancy.  Possibly with the assistance of an unknown multiple of genes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 &#8211; You&#8217;re waiting for them to find &#8220;a gay gene&#8221;?  Outdated concept.</p>
<p>The brain difference they&#8217;ve found between straight and gay people &#8211; and they are real, and need explaining  &#8211; are currently hypothesized to be a result of developmental events in pregnancy.  Possibly with the assistance of an unknown multiple of genes.</p>
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		<title>By: Average Gay Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Average Gay Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Dan.  Even if I do not agree with all of your commentary on this I am enjoying reading it.  Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dan.  Even if I do not agree with all of your commentary on this I am enjoying reading it.  Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess many of us are just waiting for scientist to find that elusive gay gene.

We&#039;ll be waiting a long time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess many of us are just waiting for scientist to find that elusive gay gene.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll be waiting a long time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ndtovent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ndtovent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, #14 -- Actually, it&#039;s the responsibility of both.  I failed to metionn the judicial systems in my post, but it was just an oversight. They should&#039;ve been included. Myp point was that the states are key to this issue now, at the state levels, and not so much at the federal level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, #14 &#8212; Actually, it&#8217;s the responsibility of both.  I failed to metionn the judicial systems in my post, but it was just an oversight. They should&#8217;ve been included. Myp point was that the states are key to this issue now, at the state levels, and not so much at the federal level.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Supreme Court cases&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And in none of them was the decision binding on the question of whether marriage was a right. If it had been, then every state law restricting who may or may not get married would have been stricken down.

There is no such thing as a right to get married. And even if there were, gays are not barred from marrying opposite sex spouses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Supreme Court cases</p></blockquote>
<p>And in none of them was the decision binding on the question of whether marriage was a right. If it had been, then every state law restricting who may or may not get married would have been stricken down.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as a right to get married. And even if there were, gays are not barred from marrying opposite sex spouses.</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, newsflash for ya&#039; sweetie... those in power don&#039;t think activist judges are exactly the right way to go on nearly every social/political issue.  Maybe you&#039;ve been sleeping under a rock these last 10-15 years, but the powered majority isn&#039;t keen on the Courts stepping in and enforcing those policies the minority is unable to achieve via legislative action.

But, I know, you&#039;ve been a-listenin&#039; down on the Democrat Plantation to the pro-choice feminists, the eco-terrorists, the affirmative action activists and the those vicitimized minorities who THINK their best bet for progress is by judicial fiat --you can&#039;t help it, you been a-brought up to think them ways.

Sorry, it don&#039;t get us past first base; Hell, it doesn&#039;t even get our issues up to bat... thanks for providiing that sterling piece of political advice to ndtovent.

&quot;It would be lovely....&quot;  Right.  Great, the GayLeft is the last group pushing for activist judges... how quaint but pathetic in its impotency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, newsflash for ya&#8217; sweetie&#8230; those in power don&#8217;t think activist judges are exactly the right way to go on nearly every social/political issue.  Maybe you&#8217;ve been sleeping under a rock these last 10-15 years, but the powered majority isn&#8217;t keen on the Courts stepping in and enforcing those policies the minority is unable to achieve via legislative action.</p>
<p>But, I know, you&#8217;ve been a-listenin&#8217; down on the Democrat Plantation to the pro-choice feminists, the eco-terrorists, the affirmative action activists and the those vicitimized minorities who THINK their best bet for progress is by judicial fiat &#8211;you can&#8217;t help it, you been a-brought up to think them ways.</p>
<p>Sorry, it don&#8217;t get us past first base; Hell, it doesn&#8217;t even get our issues up to bat&#8230; thanks for providiing that sterling piece of political advice to ndtovent.</p>
<p>&#8220;It would be lovely&#8230;.&#8221;  Right.  Great, the GayLeft is the last group pushing for activist judges&#8230; how quaint but pathetic in its impotency.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ndtovent: It would be lovely if we could persuade state legislatures to act; we also, however, need to educate anti-gay conservatives to the proper role of the courts, which have a constitutional obligation to step in to protect the rights of minorities when the legislature fails to do so.  Minority rights are not up for a majority vote, so securing those rights is not really the responsibility of a legislature which is beholden to voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ndtovent: It would be lovely if we could persuade state legislatures to act; we also, however, need to educate anti-gay conservatives to the proper role of the courts, which have a constitutional obligation to step in to protect the rights of minorities when the legislature fails to do so.  Minority rights are not up for a majority vote, so securing those rights is not really the responsibility of a legislature which is beholden to voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/06/07/senate-rejects-mpa-debate-should-continue/comment-page-1/#comment-17263</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;millions of Americans across the country&lt;/i&gt; -- apologies for the redundancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>millions of Americans across the country</i> &#8212; apologies for the redundancy.</p>
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