In the past, I have faulted AOL for leading the News section on its Welcome Page with anti-Bush stories. Today, however, when I was logged on, I was delighted that they linked extremists from each side, Ann Coulter and Michael Moore, under the headline, “True Believers or Showoffs?”
Each has gained quite a following on his (or her) side of the political aisle. Both seemed obsessed with baiting the opposition. Neither seems particularly committed to civil discourse.
Just as the left has its nutjobs, so too do we. But, even to gay men, Ann Coulter is easier on the eyes than her left-wing counterpart.
micahel moore made “farenheit 9/11” lke 3 years ago. the sentiment in the film, that Iraq was a mistake, is now widely accepted. He’s not a radical. at all.
History will bear the president out on this one. And Michael Moore’s movie was so full of deceptions that it’s nothing more than mean-spirited disingenous propaganda.
lester – F-911 was a fantasy film, full of lies and gross distortions – some will make your jaw drop; read this thoroughly: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
And Michael Moore’s sentiment that Iraq’s criminal, evil “insurgents” are “their Minutemen” is itself an evil sentiment; one that will be (and, as we speak, is already being) consigned to the trash heap of history.
Ann Coulter can’t hold a candle to Michael Moore in the nut job arena.
calorato- “What Moore did not tell you:
Gwendolyn Tose’-Rigell, the principal of Emma E. Booker Elementary School, praised Bush’s action: “I don’t think anyone could have handled it better.” “What would it have served if he had jumped out of his chair and ran out of the room?”…
She said the video doesn’t convey all that was going on in the classroom, but Bush’s presence had a calming effect and “helped us get through a very difficult day.”
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what is deceitful about moores film in this regard? it just shows the footage that we all saw on the news of Bush sitting there. Because one teacher said something that constitues a deceit? I’ve heard even Sean Hannity criticize the president’s slow response at that moment and that’s saying something.
Also, that article is itslef deceitful. it implies moore was responding to it, which it appears he was not. it will say “moore’s reponse to this: none” as if moore had no answer to the guy.
and again. even if that article was true, it doesn’t make moore a radical on the level of ann coulter, who after all, has attacked 9/11 widows apropos of absolutely nothing. I’m all for counter protests, but 2 years after the fact? one 9/11 widow making a campaign ad 2 years ago?
I agree with both of them on Bush though
“Bush thinks it’s not fair to favor people with special skills — a policy evidenced by his Harriet Miers pick.
How about this: It’s not fair to want to go out with someone just because that person is attractive and has a good personality because it discriminates against people who are ugly with bad social skills! That’s our immigration policy.
Press “1” for English; press “2” for a new president …
” from coulters may 17 column.
yes ann, if only it were that easy. we DO need a new president
I enjoyed Bowling for Columbine when I saw it. Yes, it embarasses me now, but it’s true. It was a combination of the crying fit over the 2000 election and the NRA’s excellent and detailed article about the many many deceptions in Bowling for Columbine that got me to actually consider the posibility of voting Republican. I was already registered Republican so I could vote in their primaries, but I’d never voted for a Republican in a general election until then. In summary- the radical left recruited me into conservative politics. Thank you Michael Moore!
Ann is rude and brutal and tactless and all that, but Moore is out of her league in the deception department. The reason I can’t stand Moore is because he lies. I think the radical left hates Coulter because she shines a bright light on who they really are. Then their primary response to it is just to pitch a hissy and scream at her really loud and tell her to shut up. It’s actually a little refreshing to see the very occasional rebuttal to something she actually said.
#5 – You picked one of the fifty-nine deceits of Fahrenheit 9-11 – now look at the other 58.
And this part of your comment makes absolutely no sense:
“Also, that article is itslef deceitful. it implies moore was responding to it, which it appears he was not. it will say “moore’s reponse to this: none” as if moore had no answer to the guy.”
Huh??? Dave Kopel, “the guy”, pointedly gave Moore a chance to respond to every point. And Moore (this was in 2004) proudly (pro)claimed he would. When Dave Kopel says Moore didn’t respond, it means: Moore didn’t respond. So yes, indeed, Moore had no answer to “the guy” (if that’s what Dave says).
As for your Ann Coulter comments: WAY off. I could explain to you the kernel of truth in her brutal slam on the Jersey Girls, but let’s be honest: you aren’t really interested.
#7 – Dale, I am with you on this. I have never read or bought an Ann Coulter book. But tonight, I browsed the new one. In the 30 or so pages I browsed, I couldn’t find anything she said that was factually wrong. Lots of hyperbole or verbal brutality, and one can argue with that; but, when you get down to the facts/substance, she is simply NOT a deceitful, deluded and deluding nutjob in Michael Moore’s league.
So, sorry Dan – your post is a bit off, and perhaps you should look at Ann’s book as well from the viewpoint of facts she presents, and discuss specific ideas/facts that you think she’s way off on. It’s not adequate or worthy of you, Dan, to simply assert she is a right-wing Moore and leave it at that.
#3 Calarato — June 14, 2006 @ 10:14 pm – June 14, 2006
lester – F-911 was a fantasy film, full of lies and gross distortions – some will make your jaw drop; read this thoroughly: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
Kopel’s all or most of “Fifty Nine Deceits” have been addressed in several venues, including at least Deception; Desperate Right Wing Attacks on Fahrenheit 9/11 and Debunking ’59 Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11′ , among others, so it is a bit much to expect Moore himself to go to the effort–he’s probably laughing all the way to the bank with the proceeds of his movie. I recognize that the web sites that I have linked to are left/liberal, but one would hardly expect a right/conservative web site to try to debunk Kopel’s “Fifty Nine Deceits,” now, would they?
BTW, I have investigated both Kopel’s Fifty Nine Deceits page and his web site’s home page, as well as several of his Independence Institute’s web pages and have been unable to find anything about his background. Why should anyone give much credence to what he posts–merely because he is affiliated with something called the “Independence Institute”? Give me a break.
Also, several of Ann Coulter’s books have been fairly thoroughly fisked and substantially debunked, and the “Godless” book is currently in the process of being fisked. In addition, some of the fiskers have discovered more than a bit of potential plagiarism in the “Godless” book.
raj – al franken has made a career off debunking Ann Coulter. those are the best parts of “lying liars”. that and “supply side Jesus”
Calarato- They say even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Ann was DEFINATELY right on Bush needing to go. Don’t you agree? or are you some liberal panty waste?
#9 – I can’t believe I bothered to glance over one of your posts raj, as I skip you about 95% of the time, but this was the lucky 5% for you.
Your response is a lot of “says you, says you, says you” insufficient to argue with the facts.
Real facts: There was no Unocal pipeline conspiracy. George Soros and the Clintons are closer to (or more in bed with) the Carlyle Group than the Bushes. Condi Rice’s big quote toward the end of the movie was edited COMPLETELY out of context, to make her say the exact opposite of what she said in context. Porter Goss really did have a toll-free number – it just happened to be a 1-888 number rather than a 1-800. Bush’s comment “I call you rich people my base” was at a Washington charity fundraiser in a context of self-mockery / self-parody; in reality, more billionaires have Democrats in their pockets. Iraq was no innocent, kite-flying children’s paradise – quite the opposite. On, and on, and on, and on, and on.
F-911 was a Left-wing fantasy movie, period. Only people who aren’t interested in facts, or who simply refuse to accept the ones they don’t want, such as lester and yourself, continue to maintain otherwise. Just like Mary Mapes continuing to maintain that the Burkett-Ramirez documents were somehow real documents.
Bye now.
calarato – I agree about Mapes.
OK. Thanks for that!
Lester, have you watched any of Michael Moore’s interviews? The man is embarrassed to be an American. Like others on the far-left, I think he actually wants the United States to lose the war on terror. And he is so full of hate for George W. Bush that his rants don’t make sense (and this is being posted by a disappointed Republican who’s not one of Bush’s knee-jerk fans).
trace- well ann coulter obviously doesn’t like bush very much either if she thinks we need a new president. No, I don’t think I’ve read any michael moore interviews. As I recall he supported Wesley Clark in 04. Is Clark a far left general? is that even possible?
Also, There is no “war on terror”. like “axis of evil” it was made up by one of bush’s many speechwriters. I think Moores films showcase the differing opinions a democracy can have. and it’s something we have over saudi arabia and iran and China: they have no such freedom of expression. and criticizing Moore is part of that too
Lester, don’t get me started on Wesley Clark! Political whore comes to mind right off the bat and that’s about the nicest thing I can think of to say about him.
BTW, I have no use for Ann Coulter. She’s enough to make me wonder sometimes if Southern Baptists hardliners have the right idea about women: keep them home to cook, clean house, have babies and keep their mouths shut. 🙂
Coulter is a satirist and often exaggerates to make a point. Coulter also heavily relies on facts, figures and actual analysis. Moore is a propagandist and is willing to flat out lie in order to further his cost. Fahrenheit is practically irrelavant today, but I suspect we will be reading Godless, or Treason for quite some time. Whether you agree with her or not, Coulter does an excellent job of displaying the issues and giving her point of view.
#11 Calarato — June 15, 2006 @ 12:27 pm – June 15, 2006
There was no Unocal pipeline conspiracy.
Thank you for telling me that. Unfortunately for your, and your buddy Kopel’s apparent spin, Kopel did not state that MMoore stated that there was a Unocal pipeline conspiracy. “Conspiracy” was a word that you yourself interjected. One wonders why.
BTW, although Unocal did apparently abandon their Afghanistan pipeline project in 1998 because of the political and security situation in the country, they also picked it up again in 2002, probably after the political and security situation had settled down a bit. Conspiracy? Probably not. Commercial opportunity? Probably yes.
Condi Rice’s big quote toward the end of the movie was edited COMPLETELY out of context, to make her say the exact opposite of what she said in context.
So? Make your own documentary and put it into context. BTW, I don’t have the slightest idea what you are referring to. Can you cite one of Kopel’s numbers?
F-911 was a Left-wing fantasy movie, period.
Even giving you the benefit of the doubt, so what? If you don’t like Moore’s mockumentary, make one that is more to your liking. I’m sure that you could get some of your buddies in Hollywood to help you out. The fact appears to be that the George W. Bush malAdministration’s dog-and-pony show leading up to the war on Iraq is at least as fictitious as, if not more so than, MM’s mockumenatary.
Let’s understand something. At base, the real reason that you and others of similar mindset don’t like MM’s mockumentary is that it makes your guy Bush and your fellow travelers in the Congress out to be fools. They made it clear that they don’t want to send their children to Iraq, but they are more than willing to send other peoples’ children to Iraq. That was quite clear from MM’s mockumentary, and it is quite clear that that was the real reason that you and others of similar mindset didn’t like the mockumentary.
It isn’t rocket science. And it really is as simple as that.
#17 Mateo — June 18, 2006 @ 9:41 pm – June 18, 2006
Coulter is a satirist and often exaggerates to make a point.
Just to let you know, Ann Coulter is as much a satirist as Andrew Dice Clay was a satirist.
And she is, like he was, laughing all the way to the bank.