It struck me over the past couple weeks that this nation’s teachers union has nothing on the Catholic Church when it comes to a pedophilia problem.
Exaggerating, you say? Hardly.
Music Teacher Accused of Having Sex With Student – San Diego, CA
Female Teacher Accused of Sex With Student – Woodland, CA
School Responds to Teacher’s Sex Charge – Concord, NC
Trust me folks, I could fill a page here with the Google News searches of “teacher sex charges”.
So why isn’t the national media making a big deal of the National Education Association’s sex scandal problem as much as they have about the Catholic Church’s??
I think perhaps a parent should sue the NEA for damages related to sexual abuse of their son or daughter just as people have gone after the Catholic archdioceses.
Food for thought.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
Good point Bruce –I think the parallel should be the individual school districts, tho, not the corrupting force of the NEA.
Here in Michigan we just passed a law that finally required school districts to do criminal checks (fingerprints, conviction reviews) of all school employees –teachers, bus drivers, IT staff.
You’ll never guess how it turned out. First the schools bitched up a storm ’cause they don’t “have the money” to do these criminal checks on employees who come in contact with children on a daily basis in a trust-based environment.
Then it was, what level of felony should it be before we can dismiss the employee? Just sexual crimes… how about convictions before the teacher was hired… like if the person was 18 years and just screwed a neighborhood minor (I kid you not, a school administrator offered that example as something that ought to be excluded from grounds for termination of employment).
When the schools quit screaming and the bills moved the Legislature at lightening speed, it turned out that the criminal background check database of the state Police wasn’t quite as accurate as one might hope. For the ensuing weeks after school began, the MSM paraded stories of mistaken identity (which should have been cleared up) and non sexual violent offenses that were “just errors in judgment” by the employees.
Everything came to a stop. Schools got a get out of jail card (literally) for implementing the new requirements. The State Police were scolded by Governor Good Smile Granholm to clean up the database and get it 100% correct.
The biggest groups pressing for a halt to the effort: school unions, school district administrators and school board attorneys.
Gotta love those educators who “only care about the kids” –and if they got their last raise, have DP benefits, and can mentor GLBT clubs on campus.
1] Former student 17 year old female. He did a dropout.
2] Female teacher.
3] Female teacher.
If you want to complain, complain that there is a gender bias for female pedophiles. And to me, doing a 17 year old these days is like doing 21 year old in the Fifties. In fact, the crime of Sexual Seduction is usually charged when the minor WANTED the interaction and will not cooperate, not Rape.
Of the half million or so of public teachers, a thousand pedophiles would be two tenths of a percent (.2%). Plenty of stories but really insignificant.
I believe the Catholic ratio was significant-.
But thanks for the insight as to how you fish for stories where no story exists.
It certainly brings new meaning to the phrase “cramming for an exam” doesn’t it?
Vera isn’t surprised the MSM would bury negative stories regarding the NEA (or for that matter, the UN and it’s own sex abuse scandal or Zarqawi’s child bride – 16 years old, and the mother of a 18 month old; it must be a ‘cultural thing’ in Islam) and splash the Catholic Church (and Boy Scouts or Duke Lacrosse players) sex abuse scandal on the front page of their newspapers and newscasts. It’s the old “the enemy of my enemy is my friend – or at least my comrade” – in the battle against conservatives.
Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and Chris Dodd are bigger threats to women in this country – and the left would have you believe George Bush is trying to put American women in Burqua’s and take away their right to vote (actually, that would be the Islamist, but don’t expect Brian Williams or Katie Couric to tell you that). The result is selective reporting, faux outrage, and linguistic gymnastics from the MSM – whose viewer ship and approval ratings continue to plunge (question: name an organization with lower favorability ratings than the Bush Administration? Answer: Congress and the MSM).
Eventually, the NEA will explain that having sex with students is all a part of the ‘new curriculum’ to help students acquire self-esteem and confidence, even if they remain functionally illiterate.
Vera fondly recalls when banging an eraser was all the extracurricular activities a teacher expected from students – not banging the teacher
What was so damning about the incidents in the Catholic church was how the church protected the perpetrators, covered it up, and allowed it to continue even after it knew what was happening. Statistically speaking, given the number of teaches and number of priests, you’re still a lot more likely to have been molested by a priest than a teacher, anecdotes aside. Is the NEA protecting the perpetrators? I don’t know. But that is what made it such a scandal in the church.
I hope they prosecute these people and take measures to prevent further abuses. If they aren’t, then perhaps this should be a scandal as well.
Not your finest hour, Bruce.
Agape.
LOL!! Good one Bruce! A little more practice and you’ll be doing wingnut parody as well as Landover Baptist.
Let me understand this. The post is trying to liken the RCC having to compensate victims of child sex abuse by some of its priests to the NEA, merely because some of the teachers who are accused of having sex with their students may have been NEA members?
It strikes me that you are comparing apples and potatoes.
Using the the RCC’s Boston Archdioces an example, the Archdioces was held liable for the molestations by its priests largely because they knew of the accusations of molestation against certain priests that it received over a period of decades, and did essentially nothing about them except to shuttle the accused priests among its various parishes, where they could molest other children. They did not turn the priests over to the civil authorities for prosecution.
In the teacher child abuses cases that you linked to, the teachers were (apparently) turned over to the civil authorities (probably by the schools, or the parents of the molested students, or maybe both) probably when or shortly they became aware of the molestations. That is a very different situation.
And, regardless, what does a membership operation, such as the NEA, have to do with a hierarchical operation, such as the RCC? To make your analogy a bit more reasonable, you would need to be suggesting that the RCC Archdiocese of Boston should be held liable if one of its members committed child sexual abuse.
BTW, there’s no need to list your google.com search, but I’m surprised that you didn’t include the notorious case of Mary Kay LaTourneau in your list of teachers.
And, it’s fairly clear that very few RCC priests are child molesters; look up books by Philip Jenkins.
And it is also clear that some subset of Protestant clergy are also child molesters. One possible reason why Protestant churches are not usually sued is that they tend to turn the molesters over to the civil authorities for prosecution instead of shuffling them around or sweeping the cases under the rug. Big difference from the RCC situation.
chandler writes: “And to me, doing a 17 year old these days is like doing 21 year old in the Fifties.” and, if that wasn’t bad enough to call in the morality police, he offers “… a thousand pedophiles would be two tenths of a percent (.2%). Plenty of stories but really insignificant.”
Insignificant??? WTF –you’re worse than Catholic bishops. Spoken like the liberal pedophile you are, chandler. You sick little reprobate; you DO deserve to be in Hollywood –it’s a perfect fit.
Chandler and Raj-
I can’t understand why you both are appearing to be apologists for these sexual predators infesting the public school system.
Please explain. I’m mystified.
“Using the the RCC’s Boston Archdioces an example, the Archdioces was held liable for the molestations by its priests largely because they knew of the accusations of molestation against certain priests that it received over a period of decades, and did essentially nothing about them except to shuttle the accused priests among its various parishes, where they could molest other children. They did not turn the priests over to the civil authorities for prosecution. ”
This is not quite correct. The Boston Archdiocese was never found liable for anything. There were no trials. It did, however, enter into out- of-court settlements with most all of the plaintiffs. What happened was a rogue judge ordered that evidence provided by the Archdiocese during discovery be made public BEFORE TRIAL. The adverse publicity against the Archdiocese and Cardinal Law in particular was so overwhelmingly hysterical that the Archdiocese was effectively deprived of a fair trial. Most people do not know that, for instance, that Cardinal Law permitted the pedophile priest John Goeghan to return to parish ministry after receiving clearance from various medical or psychological professionals. That is a highly relevant fact when it comes to determining whether Law was negligent. Most people also do not know that the allegations against the other priest, the gay activist Paul Shanley, were based on “recovered memories” and almost certainly fraudulent. This, however, did not prevent Shanley from being convicted and imprisoned for a crime that he almost certainly did not commit, all because of highly adverse publicity of his background much of which was based on falsehoods or exaggerations, such as the false belief that he was a founder of NAMBLA.
There are other Catholic dioceses where bishops and their chancery staff engaged in behaviors which shock the conscience, but in reality, Boston isn’t one of them, even though public opinion is obviously to the contrary.
#9: “sexual predators infesting the public school system”
Ummm, Bruce, your third example specifically states that it was a PRIVATE school not a public one. Oh, I get it THAT was part of the parody too! Man, you are just TOO good.
Um Ian….that doesn’t change the DAILY reports of public school teacher sexual predators. YOU do a simple search.
Are you joining Chandler and Raj in moral relativism that results in apologizing for these teachers, too??
Amazing!!
Another example of the sort of thing GP is describing is the lively controversy over whether Planned Parenthood should be required to inform law enforcement about specific acts of adults having sex with minors that it learns in its “reproductive services practices.” PP’s position and well as that of many pro-abortion activists, is that the “right to choose an abortion” will be seriously eroded if PP is required to be mandatory reporters of child abuse because teenaged girls will be less likely to seek out abortions (or birth control pills for that matter) if their secret sexual life is exposed. According to PC think, it is ok for abortionists to keep sex abuse allegations confidential, but an absolutely unforgivable offense for Catholic bishops or ministers in other religious groups that take conservative positions on sexual matters if they behave in the same fashion.
Bruce, the evening is young… give the others a chance to join raj, chadler the perverted and Ian S in protecting pedophiles.
After all, as any good liberal will tell you, pedophiles are the real victims in sexual abuse –their parents did it to them, the police were mean, the prosecutors are just looking for votes and scapegoats for runaway pre-teen hormones, and the victim’s –oopps, scratch that, it’s ‘target’s’– family has misplaced their anger at the abuse… they should focus on why they didn’t hold the pedophile’s parents accountable. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Plus, society is sending pedophiles mixed signals by Hollywood and Madison Avenue’s sexualization of youth. It isn’t the peodphile’s fault; they’re the REAL victim.
I love them liberals…. when they aren’t being perverts, they’re inducting perverts into the Victim Hall of Fame.
#9 GayPatriot — June 14, 2006 @ 3:10 pm – June 14, 2006
I can’t understand why you both are appearing to be apologists for these sexual predators infesting the public school system.
Odd, speaking for myself–not Chandler–I had believed that I was addressing the fairly obvious contention in your post that the NEA should be held liable for the sexual predations of their member teachers on the latters’ students, because the various RCC Archdioces and Dioces were required to pay for their employees’ predations.
I had no idea that I was an apologist for the predations of either the NEA’s members or the RCC Archdioces’s (etc.) employees. Perhaps you would like to explain why you believe that I was.
#12: The problem is Bruce, you are using a ludicrous argument to try to link the NEA to sexual predators. None of your articles even mentions the NEA. It truly is parody material.
Now you might have had a point if the NEA had been attempting to cover up the sexual assaults or pay off the students who had been assaulted. But of course that never happened. With your inept and dishonest attempt at smearing an organization you dislike, your credibility has just taken a real hit.
As for Matt’s hyperventilating on the subject of pedophilia, a quote from Shakespeare seems a propos:
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
Ian S, you’ve been dispatched to the dung heap once today; must we do it with each thread, boy?
I’m not the one protecting pedophiles –that’s you and your ilk. Nice try at a little Joe McCarthy styled smear but it’s still doesn’t change the fact you ain’t got jack today. No apology required.
#10 Patrick Rothwell — June 14, 2006 @ 3:17 pm – June 14, 2006
This is not quite correct. The Boston Archdiocese was never found liable for anything. There were no trials. It did, however, enter into out- of-court settlements with most all of the plaintiffs.
Point taken.
What happened was a rogue judge ordered that evidence provided by the Archdiocese during discovery be made public BEFORE TRIAL. The adverse publicity against the Archdiocese and Cardinal Law in particular was so overwhelmingly hysterical that the Archdiocese was effectively deprived of a fair trial
I don’t practice in MA state courts so I am not aware of the details of the state’s discovery rules, but I believe that it is usual that confidentiality orders are only rarely issued, in connection with discovery material that is filed with the court (material that is not filed with the court is not available to the public) in very limited circumstances, and mere embarrassment of any of the parties is not included to any significant extent.
In any case, Cardinal Law’s deposition was taken before the settlement (obviously), and the court ordered it not to be released for the usual 30 days to allow Law to review it and sign it, after which the deposition would be filed with the court and be open to public inspection. The latter part is not particularly relevant to my point, but it seems to me that if the Archdiocese settled because of fear of pre-trial publicity, it seems to me that they would have settled before the deposition, or certainly before the signed deposition had to be filed with the court.
Most people do not know that, for instance, that Cardinal Law permitted the pedophile priest John Goeghan to return to parish ministry after receiving clearance from various medical or psychological professionals. That is a highly relevant fact when it comes to determining whether Law was negligent.
I don’t know what most people know (or knew), but I knew that he had, indeed, claimed that. Why would Law or the Archdiocese not want that to be made public, presuming, of course, that it was part of the deposition? It would have been exculpatory.
Most people also do not know that the allegations against the other priest, the gay activist Paul Shanley, were based on “recovered memories” and almost certainly fraudulent.
The criminal case of Paul Shanley had nothing to do with the Archdiocese was not involved in the civil case against the Archdiocese. I’ve long been a critic of the “recovered memory” speculation–it resulted in the convictions of the Amiraults in the Fells Acre Day School cases in the early 1980s. But in the Shanley case, the evidence was presented to the jury, it was cross-examined, and he was convicted. I wasn’t in the court room and neither were you (I presume), so I’m not going to speculate as to what the evidence was.
BTW, I wouldn’t be as sure as you seem to be that Shanley hadn’t committed at least some of the crimes of which he was accused.
#18: “Ian S, you’ve been dispatched to the dung heap once today”
No doubt that imagery excites you. Do you only get this florid when discussing pedophilia?
It wasn’t sex with kids, but my High School principal was allowed to resign with recommendations *twice* after incidents of sexual harassment. It actually makes me very proud of my school district that when he was caught trying to coerce a secretary into continuing a work-place affair (if you break it off I’ll tell your husband) and offered to go away quietly if the school board wrote him a recommendation, the school board said no.
TWO districts had let him go with glowing recommendations in order to avoid a stink. and he repeated his behavior without consequence.
No, he wasn’t messing with the kids but I’m very glad that someone in *my* school refused to sign on to a lie and his misbehavior *finally* made it to his employment record.
Oh, and while I don’t condone infidelity, I’m also proud of the secretary who found the guts to stand up to him and respond to his threats with, “No… *I’ll* tell my husband.”
The Catholic Church is not only the employer of its priests, it is an extended family that oversees every part of its priests lives. Therefore it should bear a heavy burden in this area, particularly since a core part of its mission is to prevent immorality and exploitation.
The NEA is a semi-voluntary organization – in the sense that if you choose teaching as your career you will likely be required to join a union upon getting a job. Though it provides advocacy services for members facing disciplinary action it has no authority that corresponds to the church’s authority over priests.
Are the UAW and Teamsters responsible for the crimes committed by their members? Is the plumbers local liable to a husband if one of its members bags a housewife on a service call?
Not excusing the predators here. I’m Catholic and deeply ashamed of the way my church has handled the situation. I have no love for the NEA, and think our schools would be much better off without it. But without signs the NEA has been protecting members it knows have been preying on students, its situation doesn’t compare to the Church’s.
#23: “But without signs the NEA has been protecting members it knows have been preying on students, its situation doesn’t compare to the Church’s.”
Such calm rational analysis no doubt merits a comment along the line of Matt’s in #8: “spoken like the liberal pedophile you are.”
This issue is addressed by Miss Ann (the Devil) Coulter in which she doesn’t blame the NEA but she does question why there is never any media hysteria over abuse by educators as there has been about priests. Why are educators not the focus of derision and dark humor like priests have become?
These cases of teachers having sex with students constitute a special crime because teachers are authority figures and role models for children. Teachers who cross the line with students have violated the trust parents, communities and the students themselves have placed in them. In addition to being prosecuted they should forever be denied teaching certificates (by means of a national registry).
But, Bruce, I don’t entirely agree with your essay. This type of behavior is not being reported in most school districts. While these cases have gotten a lot of media attention, the number of teachers involved reflects a very small percentage of the total number of public school teachers in our country. When the incidents have been reported, school officials and local prosecutors have acted quickly and publicly, unlike the Catholic Church’s handling of priests abusing children in many cases.
And, Bruce, I can’t understand your attack on the National Education Association (NEA). I’m not a fan of the NEA and have often criticized it for focusing too much on issues that have nothing to do with educating children. But the NEA is not the only union. Some of the teachers involved in these cases may very well belong to the American Federation of Teachers (AFT). Furthermore, it’s just plain silly to suggest that parents should sue the NEA over these incidents. The teachers work for individual school districts; they don’t work for the NEA. The school districts, not unions, are liable for the ill behavior of their teachers, bus drivers, etc.
Michigan Matt, I don’t know about Michigan law, but in most states the majority of these teachers don’t meet the legal definition of pedophile. Most states define pedophilia as sexual contact with children under the age of 12. In most of the cases, the students involved were thirteen or older. The teachers were definitely predators but not legally pedophiles.
#26: More logical thinking and calm rational analysis. You must be a “liberal pedophile” too.
Are the UAW and Teamsters responsible for the crimes committed by their members?
Yes — when they happen in the workplace and when the worker isn’t reported by the union or the union covers up for what the worker is doing.
According to at least one of the accounts, some of these sexual encounters took place in school. How in the world did someone manage to have sex during the school day without leaving a classroom or their place of duty unattended? Why wasn’t this reported by other teachers or administrators?
Meanwhile, to Brezh’s point, the reason the Catholic Church handled pedophile priests the way that it did is because of the belief that the sacrament of ordination imparts an “indelible character” on the priest in question. In that context, it’s not the priest himself who’s causing the problem; it’s that the environment is causing him to sin. Hence, move him to a different parish, and the problem will be fixed. Defrocking, which undoes ordination, is a last-resort measure.
In contrast, for Protestants, who consider ordination only to be a public declaration of one’s intent to serve, and not a character imprint, it is much easier to pin the problem on the individual — and, since most Protestant ministers serve only at the pleasure of their congregations, to remove him or her easily.
Thanks…another false analogy using weasel words to skew the reports to match your agenda. I looked at those articles….funny, they don’t talk about NEA anywhere in them. Do you have some kind of proof that these 3 people are actually members of the NEA? I noticed one specifically mentioned that it ocurred at a private school, so not likely that their members of the NEA. Does the NEA move teachers around the country to avoid prosecution for pedophilia? You show 3 incidents – are there records of massive, multi-year coverups of hundreds of individual reports of abuse of children, like there were in the Catholic Church? And by the way, teachers (good and bad) come from all kinds of backgrounds, including both liberal and conservative, so its particularly sickening you try to make some kind of case that all teachers are some kind of pervs attacking our children.
Kevin-
No less of a sweeping argument was made about every single Catholic priest. I am trying to make a POINT. Good lord.
I would also like to add that the reason I target the NEA is that they are the single most powerful teacher’s union (and one of the most politically influential of all unions)… and yet they have been SILENT on the growing teacher sex predator scandal.
Why is the media doing a double standard here?
(I know the answer already… unions= good, religion=bad)
#30: “they have been SILENT on the growing teacher sex predator scandal.”
Big deal. Here’s a list of Republican sexual predators thttp://tinyurl.com/e67y5 Should I be outraged that the GOP has been SILENT on the growing Republican sex predator scandal? Sheesh. If your point had been simply to decry the laxity of the school districts – public and private – to do effective background checks, you might have had a point. But you had to try and nail a favorite bete noire and wind up simply looking like a partisan hack.
#28 North Dallas Thirty — June 14, 2006 @ 7:15 pm – June 14, 2006
>>>Are the UAW and Teamsters responsible for the crimes committed by their members?
Yes — when they happen in the workplace and when the worker isn’t reported by the union or the union covers up for what the worker is doing.
This is much too broad a statement. Unions may be–and, I believe have been–held liable for illegal activities by their members when they are engaged in “union business,” by which I mean activities like picketing, maybe collecting signatures on signature cards (something like a petition to hold an election to get a union instituted at a facility), maybe during contract negotiations, and the like.
Otherwise, it is highly unlikely that a union would be held liable for an illegal activity by a union member while “on the job,” even if the union steward knew of the illegal activity. It is up to management or the party against whom the illegal activity was committed to bring the activity to the attention of the civil authorities for prosecution.
For civil liability (money damages), the aggrieved party (the target of the illegal activity) may bring a civil suit against the person or persons who committed the illegal activity against him. In addition, the aggrieved party may be able to bring a civil suit against the employer, but in that case, he would probably have to show that the illegal activity was part of a “pattern or practice” by that person or persons which was known, or which reasonably should have been known, by the employer, and the employer made no (or no significant) effort to stop.
BTW, regarding
…the reason the Catholic Church handled pedophile priests the way that it did is because of the belief that the sacrament of ordination imparts an “indelible character” on the priest in question
that is pretty much irrelevant to their potential liability.
Lastly,
According to at least one of the accounts, some of these sexual encounters took place in school. How in the world did someone manage to have sex during the school day without leaving a classroom or their place of duty unattended?
Not exactly. The account said that they occurred “on and off campus.” The account did not say the times at which they occurred. If they took place before or after school hours (or even during lunch periods) the teacher would probably not have had a “classroom or … place of duty” to attend.
#30 Bruce (GayPatriot) — June 14, 2006 @ 7:57 pm – June 14, 2006
….I am trying to make a POINT. Good lord.
I would also like to add that the reason I target the NEA is that they are the single most powerful teacher’s union (and one of the most politically influential of all unions)… and yet they have been SILENT on the growing teacher sex predator scandal.
The problem that you have is that it is impossible to figure out what your point was in the post. Irrespective of the fact that your analogy between the RCC and the NEA was–and I’ll put it charitably–strained–were you trying to argue that the RCC should be absolved from liability for the child sex abuse scandal because no cases have been brought against the NEA? Or are you arguing that the NEA should be held liable because some of its (presumptive) members might be engaged in student sex abuse, with the RCC cases as prototypes? I inferred the latter, and considered the post to be more than a bit of union-bashing–and quite frankly, still do.
But your analogy between the RCC situation and the NEA is inapposite, as I have argued above–and which you haven’t really countered, except to accuse me of apologizing for the teachers (your #12, my response in #15, no further response from you, so I guess you concede my point in #15). So, in what way is the media doing a double-standard?
Raj-
Proving yet again you do not read and comprehend anything we write here.
Or I need to start writing at a 6th grade level, perhaps?
Insignificant??? WTF –you’re worse than Catholic bishops. Spoken like the liberal pedophile you are, chandler. You sick little reprobate; you DO deserve to be in Hollywood –it’s a perfect fit.
Comment by Michigan-Matt
Matt,
You are very lucky I am not litigious.
The Catholic Bishops were in a conspiracy to conceal and protect their own. Your accusations about the NEA is like condemming the number of pedophiles that bank at Wells Fargo. As correctly stated, it is an apple and potatos argument. My statement of the .2 percent speculative abuse was to focus on GP’s focus of the original story. Neither accepting or approving of abuse but quite suspicious of the motives of an inflammitory writer.
Now, my postulating that having sex with a modern 17 year old correlates to having sex with a 21 year old in the fifties, is a statement that we have younger and younger sexually active children. Biologically, our children are entering puberty much earlier than previous generations. As far as nature and nurture go, I’ll stand by my statement.
And, finally, Mich-Matt, you need to refine your content reading skills.
For all those who are poo-pooing Bruce’s analogy, I’d like to point out that the NYC school system (as well as a number of others, I’m sure) has something called “teacher jail”.
What is that, you may ask? It is where the system sends teachers who principals consider too dangerous to allow to be in the classroom with students and who cannot be fired due to the Byzantine regulations. The teachers twiddle their thumbs and collect paychecks. (Funny thing, in some cases, their innappropriate use of computers for online shopping or porn while they are in teacher jail is grounds to attempt to fire them when their original offense of being a clear danger to the children they were responsible for was not).
It is difficult to get a replacement teacher for one that was sent to teacher jail (in part because they are still on the payroll). It is difficult to send a teacher to teacher jail. Thus, there are institutional reasons that pressure a principal to not do anything about possible abuse…and that can be blamed on the union’s rules. Which starts to sound like the Catholic Church’s institutional problem of not dealing with individual criminals.
And how do I know this?
My mom works for the NYC public school system (she deals with the placement of kids with special needs). In her capacity, she constantly comes home with stories of kids not getting what they need (and are legally entitled to) not because the resources aren’t there but because people are too lazy or incompetent to do their jobs properly.
They can’t be fired either. Union rules. Part of the same problem.
chandler dear, you have trouble writing a blog, let alone writing notes for your atty to pursue litigation. I ain’t shaking in my boots, Chandler.
Funny, comprehension isn’t a skill you’ve learned yet; I have. Let’s take your very point, very words: “And to me, doing a 17 year old these days is like doing 21 year old in the Fifties.” Speaking in the context of pedophiles… what could that logically mean?
Gheez, sounds like –for YOU– having sex with a minor is ok-y-dokey. To ME, Chandler, “doing” a 17 year old ought to result in some prison time for the perp whether or not you thought he was hot and his best defense of explaining why he had sex with you was ’cause he was blind.
Chandler, it is NOT ok… even in Hollywood to “do” a 17 yr old… please go wiki Roman Polanski if you didn’t catch his bio in Film History 101.
Try taking that to the atty and beg him to litigate.
#36 DinaFelice — June 15, 2006 @ 10:38 pm – June 15, 2006
Thus, there are institutional reasons that pressure a principal to not do anything about possible abuse…and that can be blamed on the union’s rules.
Your comment is a bit far-fetched, but union rules are negotiated between the employer (in your example, the NYC public school system) and the union. Accordingly, it would appear that the NYC public school system would be just as liable–if at all–as the union.