Shortly after I created an e-mail address for my blog identity, I started receiving regular hate mails. After a time, they slowed a bit, but I still receive occasional hate mail, usually receiving more when a post attracts attention in the gay blogosphere.
And that happened this week when the Washington Blade‘s Blogwatch linked my piece on the Persistence of Bias Against Gay Conservatives. Not only did we get a few more nasty comments than usual, but I got a few more hate mails than I normally receive.
While the writers surely hoped to upset me, instead, they brought a smile to my face. Given the topic of the post, they merely proved my point, that many in our community have a knee-jerk reaction to any gay conservative voice. Here’s the full text of one such hate-filled missive:
How stupid can one be? A gay republican is an ignorant democrat who wants to be rich. People like you make it difficult for the rest of us to maintain/secure rights afforded to the rest of the country. Wake up before it’s too late.
At no point does this individual substantiate any of his points — nor does he address any that I made in my post. It’s just bile, pure and simple.
This seems to be learned behavior because these writers merely parrot the same slogans of the angry gay left and respond to us as if we conform to the inaccurate image of a self-hating gay conservative portrayed in the gay media — and sometimes the gay press.
It is fascinating to me that gay people who have been marginalized from mainstream society, would seek to marginalize gay people with different political views than their own. It would seem to me that our experience dealing with being different would make us more tolerant of others who differ from the norm.
While we as gay people differ from society’s heterosexual norm, we as gay conservatives differ from the gay community’s political norm. And gay conservatives constitute a far greater percentage of the gay population than gay people constitute of the general population.
Despite the bile coming from a certain unhappy segment of our community, I am pleased by the number of gay liberals who have commented in a civil manner to our posts — or written to me personally — either taking issue with our arguments or asking serious (and very often thoughtful) questions about the challenges of being a gay conservative. It is unfortunate alas, that all too often those thoughtful gay voices on the left are drowned out by their angrier and more hate-filled counterparts.
Perhaps, I’m naive, but I remain ever hopeful that through civil discourse, while we may not be able to change minds, we will at least succeed in making others appreciate the sincerity of our views. In so doing, we help create an environment in the gay community where diverse political viewpoints are not only welcomed, but celebrated as well.
-Dan (AKA GayPatriotWest): GayPatriotWest@aol.com
Hate mail is better than no mail at all.
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Despite the bile coming from a certain unhappy segment of our community
Unhappy is a key word. In the hate mail, and even in some of the comments on this blog, it’s plain to see they take their own misery and project it outward. “How can you be so blind. If you would wake up to the truth you would see how miserable and rotten my life… er, I mean… our oppression … is
Happy people, on the other hand, create jolly blogs devoted to fart jokes, Hot Babe Thursdays, and rude insinuations about Andrew Sullivan.
Unfortunately this is also typical of the reaction I encounter when I tell another gay man I consider myself a Republican ( although “libertarian” probably more accurately describes my philosophy ). This is also fairly typical of the reaction I receive from straight Democrats.
Many gay people have such a visceral dislike for the religious right that they dismiss the Republican Party, allegedly merely because most of the people who make up the religious right are Republicans.
But as I see it, there can be only two explanations for this type of emotional reaction against Republicans : either they cannot logically refute the Republican philosophy of government , or, they are so narcissistic that they don’t give a damn about what is best for the nation and the world, as long as it does not conform with every last aspect of the so-called gay agenda. I suspect it is a combination of both.
Sadly, many gay people are poster children for what is wrong with the Democrat Party : malignant narcissism. Name the Democrat constituent group ( gays, environmentalists, some members of racial minorities, etc ) and what you see in every case is a selfish focus on “me me me” masquerading as “the common good”. The Democrat Party is the party of selfishness and greed. I believe it is called “transference” : they accuse their oponents of the very things of which they are guilty.
Gay people in the US still do not have the right to marry, or, in many cases, adopt children. These issues need to be resolved. My sexual orientation is a significant part of my identity, but it does not determine my views on health care policy, taxes or North Korea. I am, first and foremost, an individual. Being an individual, rather than a member of a tribe, is the highest expression of an enlightened attitude toward life.
Identity politics is merely a new and particularly ugly form of tribalism. And as long as Democrats embrace and cultivate this kind of politics, they will continue to poison civil society. This is yet another indication of a party with no goal beyond naked power for its own sake. Although they do not always practice what they preach, Republicans at least have articulated a vision which for the most part confirms and promotes what is best and great about America. Democrats, on the other hand, are bankrupt and it shows.
And gay conservatives constitute a far greater percentage of the gay population than gay people constitute of the general population.
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Wow, Dan, you nailed it!
You are 6% of a 5% minority.
That makes you…statistically unimportant.
Finally someone here has put this whole group into perspective.
Thank you Dan.
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Actually, Chandler it’s more like 20-30% of a 3-5% minority.
Please, please, not another whiney entry on how much persecution you face as a gay conservative. I think there were 12 this week alone. I really do enjoy your other entries (like the previous one on Gaza and Lebanan).
It’s also valid to consider that many gay Republicans are not necessarily “conservative” by today’s Republican Party-standards…but are conservative by comparison to the general population, or the G/L community at large. Some are libertarian (small-L) Republicans of the small-business/less government tradition. Others are progressive Republicans who recognise that reform sometimes requires the Government to lead…or even coerce; but still object to the Democratic Party’s nanny-state omnipresence. Many Republican-voting members of the G/L community are traditional fiscal-conservative/liberal-social policy supporters who favor the Republicans for the Party’s strong foreign policy/ domestic law-and-order traditions…yet they may still be appalled at the current GOP regime’s fiscal policies.
Yet, what’s universal is the majority of the G/L community’s assumption that a GOP-voting G/L person must be mentally deranged, self-loathing, or a class-traitor…the classic “gay Nazi”-slur. But compared to much of the “liberal” G/L community; we are all “Conservatives”, and reviled accordingly….and I have also experienced where other-wise rational gay bar patrons…and even “friends”…have taken exception to my “conservative views”; on several occasions needing to leave a bar to avoid an assualt or violent outbreak.
#7 – Matt, you are a dope. The entry is not whiny. If you still don’t like it – just don’t read it. Since you haven’t read it as it is!!
You should see the racist hate mail Michelle Malkin gets from the so called “progressives”.
VdaK, nice point… and a happy one at that. Good post, Dan.
I don’t think being “gay” is the greatest determinant of who I am, what I am, or what I do –except with Michigan-Matt partner in the wee small hours. We don’t think “gay”, we don’t vote “gay”, we don’t party “gay” but do enjoy a good lemon vodka spritzer on a sultry summer night (sorry Vera).
I actually think of us as a part of at least 5 majorities in our world:
masculine,
GOPers,
Dads,
patriots,
Catholics and
economic/social/political/cultural conservatives.
If I were just 20-30% of 4-6%, I think I would fold up tent and move on to a place where I wasn’t always thinking “They’re out to get me”. I’ve kind of grown accustomed to being the “They’re” in that line when its said by the GayLeft’s Left Flank in the DNC. Persecution of others isn’t always bad when its deserved (just kidding).
And we’re happy, too. Go figure.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but this type of discourse is not limited to gay conservatives and gay liberals. It is also very common these days between conservatives and liberals, sexual orientation nothwithstanding.
That email was hate-filled? Did the person wish for you to be poisoned as Ann Coulter did a Justice of the SCOTUS? Did the person suggest you should be fragged as Coulter did Jack Murtha? Did the person recommend you be lynched as Misha of the popular wingnut blog Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler did of five SCOTUS justices? The emailer called you stupid and ignorant. Big deal. I get called far worse by the commenters on this blog. Sheesh!
“A gay republican is an ignorant democrat who wants to be rich.”
Just so I have this straight (no pun intended), it is ignorant to want to be rich? Poverty is wise while prosperity is foolish? I think he has distilled the essence of the left’s economic philosophy in one belch.
I actually was thinking about this as I drove around today. The current incarnation of the Republican party is stongly indebted to and influcened by the Religious Right. From the outside, it certainly seems that Falwell, Robertson, and Dobson-types (if not the Dobson’s themselves) have the strongest voice in the party these days.
For instance: In Michigan last election yet another “anti-gay marriage” intiative was on the ballot. As “Same Sex Marriage” was already outlawed serveral other ways, it certainly felt looked like the only reason for it to be onthe ballot was to get the base out to vote.
No offense Br Katana, you needed to have a window open for fresh air while you drove. Those fumes are getting to your sanity.
The initiative was partially spun by the GayLeft and LeftFlank of the Democrat Party in Michigan to get THEIR base to the polls and defeat it. The so called “civil union” window at the end of the language was suggested to the State Bd of Canvassers by an idiot Democrat flake from Lansing… who was also “strategist” from the Granholm camp.
The initiative may have had its roots in the anger and fear which arises from the religious communities, but the hand that guided it was pure Democrats in action.
And then, of all the evil things to do, the Democrats left the initiative’s opponents high and dry in campaign fundraising –preferring to bank their capital for the races in 2006 for Governor, federal offices, some state House and Senate seats. Now “the” initiative in the current election is to ban affirmative action at state colleges… guess what? The Dems are all over this issue… sure, help the blacks and leave the gays high and dry.
The current GOP structure doesn’t owe the RR anything. Most party regulars think of the RR as whacked –they are simply a tool for advancing political interests… grassroots, voters, phone banks, etc. They aren’t “the money” –they don’t even give a paltry sum to the GOP in Michigan. They certainly do NOT control the shots… hell, they can even decide what end of the rifle to use, let alone load it, aim it, pull the trigger and hit the target. Gheez.
Like blacks and the GayLeft for the Democrats, the RR is a tool.
Don’t confuse the tool’s movement for the craftsman.
And start driving with the window open… you need the O2.
#13
Dipshit!
“A gay republican is an ignorant democrat who wants to be rich.”
It always amazes me how we’re supposed to believe that there’s no such thing as a rich liberal. Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi etc. are just poor, blue-collar slobs who happened to get lucky.
Speaking of Kennedy, Kerry and cash, anybody else see the disasterous news of “The Big Dig” this week? Think folks will want their money back from Kennedy, Kerry et al?
How have “gays been marginalized”? I have known gays from every walk of live, successful, busy, contributing to the world in many ways, etc. What I wonder is whether gays truly feel any more “alienated” than anyone else? Maybe it’s just a normal human feeling? – (This is a question, not an assertion. And I am not gay.)
Why do youhave to flaunt the fact that you are homosexual? What is the point? Can’t you just be a patriotic American? Do we have to have distinctions like balck, queer, alcoholic, dyslexic, etc patriots? NO! Deal with your perversions and other problems yourself –bring your brain and political beliefs to the marketplace of ideas and work with others on the basis of what is good for the country and for individuals within it –and the world. Your sex life is not the issue –keep it to yourself. -Geo.
“Perhaps, I’m naive, but I remain ever hopeful that through civil discourse, while we may not be able to change minds, we will at least succeed in making others appreciate the sincerity of our views.”
and then from a TGC (“fucktard” “libtard” etc.) a frequent poster here: “#13 Dipshit”.
Is this the civil discourse you are asking us to appreciate?
Isn’t that exactly what many on the Right do? Coulter? Malkin? Hewitt? Powerline? etc? And with just as much, if not more, bile? I really don’t see much difference between what gets thrown at you from what gets thrown at me from such darlings as Michigan-Matt or V the K on a continual basis.
I think actually GPW, while its OK that you make note of it, its better not to make a big deal of it. You don’t want to start sounding like Steve Yuhas, the Queen of Gay Republican Martyrdom.
It doesn’t mean you can’t occasionally and justifiably lose your temper.
And if you look at the history of civil discourse in our country, its always been a very turbulent and even violent pastime, with duels etc.
#22 — You left out Calarato. He also thinks you’re a twit.
And what you don’t get, and probably never will, is that you are not attacked for your political opinions. You are attacked because you are so totally inept at arguing them. You spew talking points, then refuse to support them with logic or facts. Then, when other people do refute them using logic and facts, you whine about how you’re being “attacked” and resort to juvenile name-calling. Furthermore, you have demonstrated a complete cluelessness about concepts such as “judicial activism” and “victimhood.” Or, are you just being intellectually dishonest when you throw those terms around?
And, I realize this is a waste of time. I don’t think Gryph has either the honesty or the intellectual candlepower to understand what I just said, but I know there are those who do. This is for them.
#23 V the K — July 16, 2006 @ 11:30 am – July 16, 2006
#22 — You left out Calarato. He also thinks you’re a twit.
So? Someone is supposed to be impressed by what Calarato thinks?
Come to think of it, where has Calarato been? I haven’t seen his blatherings here in a while.
And what you don’t get, and probably never will, is that you are not attacked for your political opinions. You are attacked because you are so totally inept at arguing them. You spew talking points, then refuse to support them with logic or facts.
Pot, kettle, black.
On the subject matter of the post, one of the reasons that I usually refuse to give a valid email address that might be posted is because I am not particularly interested in receiving spam. If someone wants to take issue with something that I comment on, he or she can do it in the comment thread. Another reason is that there are virii that collect email addresses from comment threads, and use them to send virus-laden email messages to other parties, using the collected email addresses as the source address . When a firewall detects a virus-laden message, it returns the message “undelivered” to the presumed source, and opening the message can impregnate your computer with that virus. I had problems with that a few years ago, and will never, ever, use a real email address in a comment.
“Then, when other people do refute them using logic and facts, you whine about how you’re being “attacked” and resort to juvenile name-calling.”
What a joke coming from someone who runs a website that contains nothing but frat boy juvenile humor, with jokes about women with hairy legs, recycled Hillary Clinton jokes, and currently a picture of a man pissing on a young girl. More than a little touch of mysogyny, I would say.
Brendan, what a joke that you would presume to lecture others on anything.
#23 – Well, someone remembers me! LOL 🙂
But actually V, on those occasions when I have commented on Gryph, it’s not his opinions nor even his visible ineptness in arguing them that has amazed me at times – it’s his hypocrisy.
Take his canard that the U.S. practices or promotes “torture” as a matter of policy. It’s been refuted too many times to be worth going over. My own part has been to ask him for simple (a) definitions of his terms, and (b) some credible cases / specifics. Have I ever gotten them? Nope. The closest we ever got was a Wikipedia article relating to a claimed “secret CIA prison” case that, in fact, the European Union was in the process of debunking.
Or take the hobbled way Gryph keeps coming back here. When I come back here, it’s because I admire GP, GPW and others. But Gryph claims to find them irredeemably awful, laughable, etc. In which case, why is he here? He can’t possibly have a good reason. “Hanging out with people of differing views” does not cover sneering at them compulsively. Some type of necrophilia must be involved. Either that, or Gryph’s insults are lies on their own terms – meaning that he must, in fact, admire GP.
Or take his whining claim in #22 to be the victim of your and others’ “bile”. Gee, do you think the fact that Gryph is the king of it, and often goes far beyond anything others have done (here is only one memorable and easily-Googled example) could have anything to do with some bits of it coming back to him? LOL
Your blog flows with bile from almost every viewpoint. How disappointing.
“And gay conservatives constitute a far greater percentage of the gay population than gay people constitute of the general population.” Too easy to say. I’d like to see you substantiate that.
Bird Dog in #19, very insightful comment — and one well worth consideration. Maybe this feeling of alienation is just a normal human feeling.
Re: #20 Geo.
All you conservative Republicans have ben reduced to nothing more than a bunch of FLAUNTING HOMOSEXUALS. You are nothing more than the unholy sexual acts you perform as stated by a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT and not one of you stands up against right winged bigotry, here in the bed you have maade for yourselves?
Weak as water.
“Brendan, what a joke that you would presume to lecture others on anything.”
Calarato, why is that? I assume you couldn’t think of anything substantive to say–yet again.
Maybe if the DNC hadn’t perfected name-calling and visceral hatred into an art form, we conservatives wouldn’t be excoriated for simply defending ourselves.
Kind of like Israel vs the Arabs, no? Another reason why I see so much comparison between the shrill whiny liberals in this country and the Palestinians. Nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats.
Regards,
Peter H.
Best phrase… from the right “Moonbat Libtard”
Best phrase… from the left, well there is nothing new so it is still “right wing nut” i guess.
Nothing new, no ideas from the left, sounds familiar.
God Bless you all! I always pray for the godless too.
and then from a TGC (”fucktard” “libtard” etc.) a frequent poster here: “#13 Dipshit”.
Is this the civil discourse you are asking us to appreciate?
In my experience, the ones who whine, piss and moan about “civil discourse” the most are arrogant punks who wouldn’t know “civil discourse” themselves if it bit them on the ass.
You may take your arrogance and your “civil discourse” and shove it sideways. I will not be PC or try to make you feel all warm and fuzzy. If it hurts your feelings, that’s your problem.
In my experience, the ones who whine, piss and moan about “civil discourse” the most are arrogant punks who wouldn’t know “civil discourse” themselves if it bit them on the ass.
Comment by ThatGayConservative
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ThatGayConservative,
I do believe it is none other than GPW who is constantly calling for this kind of debate. I do believe that Dan WOULD know “civil discourse” without it having to bite him in the ass. However, as for you, well, I do have a civil tongue, and shall leave it at that.
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Just keep believing that, Chumpler.
I understand your post, but I don’t think you make your point with that e-mail. That is not a hate-filled missive. It would have been better, I think, to choose an e-mail that more decisively backs up your post. But, it is your blog! =) Daniel
” I will not be PC or try to make you feel all warm and fuzzy. If it hurts your feelings, that’s your problem. ”
TGC, it is not a question of being pc, or hurting my feelings (do you really think I care what you think?)–the point is you have never posted anything other than pure bile. You write as if you have an IQ in the low single digits.
#38
Obviously, you don’t read much of what I write. If you do, you obviously miss the point entirely because you’re too busy shittin’ your breeches over how I said it.
You and your smug buddies can drop down, fifth ring, cook.
The Democrat Party is the party of selfishness and greed. I believe it is called “transference” : they accuse their oponents of the very things of which they are guilty.
NOW THAT’S RICH!! SELFISHNESS & GREED…LOL HELP ME I CAN’T STOP LAUGHING….IF THERE WAS ANY 2 THINGS THE GOP STANDS FOR UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION IS “SELFISHNESS & GREED” BAR NONE! PA-LEEEEZ…..try to be more creative when describing the democrats…those 2 words you used….aren’t doing it!
#18 ThatGayConservative — July 16, 2006 @ 7:04 am – July 16, 2006
Speaking of Kennedy, Kerry and cash, anybody else see the disasterous news of “The Big Dig” this week?
Yes, since I live in the Boston area, I did. I also know that the Big Dig project has been mismanaged by a succession of Republican state gubernatorial administrations since 1990–basically the entire construction phase of the project–and by the Republican-party-on-hangers the Bechtel Corporation.
Silly boi, you really don’t know much about Massachusetts politics, do you?
With apologies to Dan – something totally Off-Topic.
This is what victory in Iraq looks like: http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/007523.php
It’s dirty – but it’s real, and it’s here. Our enemies now are actually ASKING us to stay.
Of course we will leave Iraq in the end (barring war with Iran). And of course we will do so only gradually – not overnight. And of course there will be continued sectarian violence in Iraq the whole time, as the different factions learn their lessons the hard way. And so, of course it will take our idiot Left commentors years to catch up and to understand that we’ve basically won – if they ever understand it. But my remarks here aren’t addressed to them.
#41 raj baby, livin’ & breathin’ in land of lobsters and liberals you still get it wrong in your zealous, over-reaching effort to play a blame game on GOPers. Its like you trying to blame global warming and melting ice caps on polar bear sex… we all know that the REAL problem with the BigDig is the status quo tolerance and expectation of corruption as a way of doing business in Massachusetts. And frankly, as long as the state legislature remains in the hands of corrupted self-interested Democrats, nothing will ever change for the Bluest state.
You didn’t mention for TCG that Romney was stopped by the corrupt Democrats in the legislature when he sought to remove the current Mass Turnpike Auth chair… after the MTPA Chair refused Romney’s direction to turn over MTPA documents on misspending, corruption, and mismanagement. Was that just another convenient moment of intellectual dishonesty on your part, raj baby?
I travel into downtown from Logan about 9 times a year and spend about 20 days/yr on average in Boston –plus I read German language magazines about Boston and recently spoke with a 1-L student at New England College of Law, so I am better versed on the BigDig than you could ever be. (sarc/)
But I am an outsider –thank God. Here’s my take: like the levies in NOLA, the Central Artery 3rd Harbor Tunnel project is all about corruption, mismanagement, and business as usual in the Blue State of Massachusetts. It doesn’t matter whether you note Weld-Cellucci-Swift-Romney were GOPers and therefore the appropriate target for the BlameGameBigDig’s fourth round. The point is that things are so bad in Massachusetts –corruption is so ingrained– not even honest, deliberate GOPers can clean it out. Damn, that’s bad. Like NOLA. Like Chicago. Like DC. Like Atlanta. Like Boston.
Boston –the epi-center of political corruption– can never be rid of that culture. The real truth is that NOLA isn’t the BigEasy… Boston and Massachusetts are. Corruption is the name of the game for public projects there and Tippie-fatcat-ONeill’s original $2.5b estimate for the BigDig in 90 has grown to $14.6b today –and that’s without the kind of honest accounting Swift and Romney sought/seek.
You got it wrong, raj baby. Flat out, straight up wrong. Again. And you live there? Wow. Next time you go outside, take of the Democrat Plantation blinders and look around… the truth is easy to apprehend.
Calarato, thanks for the link/reference. You really need to start a blog… your insights and captures from the net help light the way for those less inclined to search out the latest.
When I hear today’s radicalLeft Democrats argue for a pullout and press for speedy conclusions, I’m reminded of the French diplomats in the 18th C wondering if the newly independent United States could gain control over its destiny or if France should just wash their hands of us and let us collapse into slaughter and ruin and reinvigorated British rule.
Thankfully, its one of the few moments in history that the French did something right or other than throw-up their hands and surrender.
No wonder the leading Democrat in favor of a “French moment” of unilateral surrender for the US is a franco-phile named Kerry. History is wickedly cruel with the irony sometimes.
V the K says:
Oh I do, I just don’t place much value on what you say. Do you honestly think that what you or me or anyone else writes in the comments section of this blog is so incredibly valuable that you will remember it 5 years from now? Or even 5 months?
I’ve read and participated in these kind of “conservations” since before there was a WWW, back in the days of the BBS’s. After you have seen the same basic stuff recycled so many thousands of times it just becomes a blur.
Ah, so Gryph has been around the block so many times, he’s completely jaded and oblivious to anything that’s said in an on-line forum.
But, at the same time, little jabs from me, Michigan-Matt, and Calarato make him cry like Nancy Kerrigan.
And how, pray tell, do you have any kind of discourse, much less civil, with this?
Gramps writes “I’ve read and participated in these kind of “conservations” since before there was a WWW, back in the days of the BBS’s. After you have seen the same basic stuff recycled so many thousands of times it just becomes a blur.”
“A blur”??
Ummm, no. That condition can be fixed by getting a more powerful script for the bi-focal glasses or by making sure you take your meds with food. If I were you (ugh) I’d be concerned about anything that causes you to blur at this point in your life, Gramps.
Gramps, a serious question: were you ever on a “politics4queers” bbs and post under the pseudonym of “Crotchetie Curmudgeon”?
VdaK, isn’t it “whine” like Nancy Kerrigan? I think you’re right, though, the intellectual candlepower dimmed a long time ago for some… now all he has is a bitter, harsh, regret filled, vindictive, petty and meanspirited whinefest.
He needs a pick-me-up. Like honorary chair of a Pride Parade! Thats’ the ticket.
I’m going to our next Pride Parade organizing committee meeting in the area and ask that we allow a Victims Float… we can have a victim from every constituency of the Democrat party and call it “Take A BackSeat America” float. Maybe a plantation theme? Music: Ole Man River on a loop sung by either Loren Green or Bill Shatner or Kate Smith… have the Parade Chair in a big throne surrounded by adoring musclemarys… I’m stuck on the theme color though.
“Take A BackSeat America”
Maybe not the best theme for a Gay Pride Parade.
#50 – V da K, you are a gem. That comment had me in stitches!
M-Matt: How about changing it from “Take A BackSeat America” to a Flintstones theme, since most of these lefties are still stuck in the Stone Age when it comes to personal identity? We could call it the “Schleprock” float (“Oh, wowzie wowzie woo woo…miserable day, isn’t it guys?”)
We could even have Inserted Anal Nozzle, (mo)lester and Really Arrogant Jerk dressed as Shleprock, since they are the ones that bitch the most and seem to be the most self-loathing of all leftards on this board…
Regards,
Peter H.
Where’s Vera Charles when ya need her??
hi…..
Being the “straight” right winger that I am….if IIIIIIIIIII were you……I would put the worst of the emails on display with your, “wicked” responses, as Dr Adams does on his site. Really, it is the most entertaining part of the site……
Secondly….if any emails contain threats…..well, just innocently point out what a conservative’s (gay or otherwise) views on gun-control are, and how much you are in need of target practice….hee..hee…..should get their attention.
paul
#43 Michigan-Matt — July 17, 2006 @ 11:42 am – July 17, 2006
Let me understand this
(i) #41 raj baby, livin’ & breathin’ in land of lobsters and liberals you still get it wrong in your zealous, over-reaching effort to play a blame game on GOPers.
So, you are suggesting that Republican administrations here in Massachusetts haven’t been in charge of the Big Dig project since at least 1990, when construction and government oversight began in a big way. That would be a matter of public record. Bill Weld (R) was elected governor in 1990 (took office in Jan 1991), followed by Paul Cellucci (R), followed by Jane Swift (R), and followed by Mitt “the Snit” Romney (R). You seem to ignore the fact that Romney was not the first Republican governor elected in Massachusetts over the last 16 or so years.
You didn’t mention for TCG that Romney was stopped by the corrupt Democrats in the legislature when he sought to remove the current Mass Turnpike Auth chair
More BS Democrats in the state lesgislature did not stop Romney from removing Amorello, they simply refused to give their imprimature. And the state’s Supreme Judicial Court” declined to give Romney an advisory opinion regarding his authority to remove Amorello, indicating that it was an “employment decision.” It was Romneys choice to try to remove Amorello, and he chose not to. It was Romney’s decision. Romney is to blame, for not even trying. It’s amusing that that you ignore that fact. But to be expected from you.
I travel into downtown from Logan about 9 times a year and spend about 20 days/yr on average in Boston –plus I read German language magazines about Boston…
It’s really sweet that you travel to Boston. There are actually German language magazines about Boston? Who knew? Where are they edited? Weston? My goodness, even when I was going to the Goethe-Institut Boston over the last 20 or so years, there wasn’t any indication there that there were any German language magazines about Boston.
…and recently spoke with a 1-L student at New England College of Law, so I am better versed on the BigDig than you could ever be.
And that’s irrelevant. Prove it.
But I am an outsider –thank God. Here’s my take: like the levies in NOLA, the Central Artery 3rd Harbor Tunnel project is all about corruption, mismanagement, and business as usual in the Blue State of Massachusetts. It doesn’t matter whether you note Weld-Cellucci-Swift-Romney were GOPers and therefore the appropriate target for the BlameGameBigDig’s fourth round. The point is that things are so bad in Massachusetts –corruption is so ingrained– not even honest, deliberate GOPers can clean it out.
And this is a joke. Apparently you haven’t been following things going on in other states. States like Illinois (scandals during the recent administration of GOP governor George Ryan), Connecticut (Scandals during the recent administration of GOP governor John Rowland), and Ohio (scandals during the administration of governor “Bob” Taft, including “coingate”) immediately come to mind. I don’t follow Michigan politics, but I suspect that, if you were to dig, you might find some scandals, including some during Republican administrations. You aren’t seriously going to contend that GOP state administrations are scandal-free, are you? If so, you’d be laughed out of the house. I’d go on about the various Abramov related scandals at the national, but I’ll refrain. Unless Ralph Reed wins the Georgia primary today, of course.
Some of us have actually been involved in even town (local) politics, and we know how the mini-scandals arise even there.
But the point is that, during the multi-billion dollar Big Dig in Boston (the estimate for which more than tripled from 1990–US$4billion–when the Republicans took over, to 2000 (over US$14billion) under Republican administrations) the Republicans administrations and the Republican Bechtel were in charge in managing the project. They are the ones who are largely to blame for the defalcations. And your attempt to whitewash their mismanagement is silly beyond belief.
#43 Michigan-Matt — July 17, 2006 @ 11:42 am – July 17, 2006
More. It’s sweet that you venture to Boston. I won’t bother going to Michigan. Detroit. Lansing, Ypsilanti. Anywhere in Michigan, much less the middle of the US. There’s no particular reason to go there.
Sad. When I was a kid in the 1960s, we went to Dearborn, to the Henry Ford Museum, etc. Not bad. But dated.
BTW, you don’t go by the monicker “Brett Bellmore” elsewhere, do you? A poster by that name has posted on more than a few web sites and message boards that I’ve posted on for quite some time. He doesn’t claim to be gay. But your style is similar to his. Largely vapid, but very aggressive.
Of course “aggressive” can be used as a substitute for “substance.”
I don not read this cite because of who is and who isn’t gay. I read this cite because there are so many good viewpoints offered, and which much less hatred than say, Democratic Underground, that I feel comfortable here.
Dan and company are straight up thinkers (pardon the pun),,I enjoy their views and find myself learning from the “diverse” opinions offered.
That is all
#43 – right on. Massachusetts is so full of corruption, it’s enough to make a person weep. This tragedy is playing out in true Massachusetts form: everyone is corrupt (Republicans, Democrats, whatever). Everyone is just out to save their skins. Maybe, mayybeee we’ll do, wellIdonnow, something to fix the problem. Despite its problems, Massachusetts is still my 2nd favorite state (1st is my homestate of Maine). Massachusetts offers a big city that’s accessable & I can return home in 2 hours or so (I live just north of Portland).
#54: I think the newstand at Copley square (just outside the green line T stop) has German language mags:)
#57 Jimbo — July 18, 2006 @ 11:32 am – July 18, 2006
#54: I think the newstand at Copley square (just outside the green line T stop) has German language mags:)
We can get German language magazines there, at the Harvard Square kiosk, and elsewhere in the Boston area. Moreover, we can get shorter versions including over the Internet. We have an e-paper subscription to Der Spiegel.
But that’s irrelevant. Matty alleged that I read German language magazines about Boston. The question was, just what German language magazines were about Boston?
raj baby, nope on the alternate posting pseudonym… but did you used to post under the legendary “Left-pink-n-proud” on the queers4politics bbs? The style of that (im)poster was typical of your spewing and rants: 1) condescending, 2) pontifical, 3) incorrect and 4) pedantic without authority or insight. His comments were usually vapid –just angry, hate-filled and loaded with misdirected advice.
Come to think of it, that guy also presented himself as being a “lawyer” and used just about as many misconstrued legal reasonings as you do here in a given day. And he alledged he was of “Teutonic” heritage.
Hmmm… seems too many circumstantial bits of comparative evidence to warrant dismissal counselor.
#59 Michigan-Matt — July 18, 2006 @ 4:54 pm – July 18, 2006
raj baby, nope on the alternate posting pseudonym… but did you used to post under the legendary “Left-pink-n-proud” on the queers4politics bbs?
Aside from the fact that I’ve never heard of the queers4politics bbs, one can only presume that you are unable to answer the question.
No surprise. Apparently, you have taken up NDXXX’s mantle: avoid the question. The question is, of course, the one in #58.
Du bist ganz komisch. Wie deine meinungen.
Poor little Dan. He decides to write a controversial blog and then is all flustered that he gets hate mail. Poor Dan.
This post is another example of complete projection. Nobody who reads this blog and its comments can fail to see that it’s drenched in bile and, when not attacking people on the left, it’s waving the flag of martyrdom. Poor misunderstood Dan. Some of his best friends are liberals.
I particularly love your comment on the writer’s failure to substantiate his points. It’s like your own failure on the earlier breast-beating thread in which you claimed so many liberals write books and articles describing themselves as Bush haters. When I challenged you to produce a significant number, you came up with two writers anda then changed the point of your critique. It is such routine behavior that makes “substantiation” so pointless.
You know you are a success when you start getting hate mail and death threats.
Flustered, Donny? Did you even read my post, I said that hate mail now brings a “smile to my face” as it helps prove my point.
And where’s the projection? Perhaps it’s you as you suggest I fail to substantiate my points because you claim by posts are “drenched in bile” without providing any examples.
In this manner, your angry comment (#61) also brings a smile to my face And then, you misrepresent other points I have made. I didn’t say “many liberals write books and articles describing themselves as Bush haters,” asked instead a reader to “note how many Bush-haters define themselves as such with book titles using the word “hate” and even liberal writers for supposedly highbrow magazines writing essays on how much they hate the president.” The point being that they define themselves by hate. The books being one example of those many on the left who define themselves by their hate.
The word, “many,” in that comment modifies Bush-haters in general not writers of books and articles who describe themselves as such. If I had time for that sort of thing, I could provide numerous examples of people who comment to left-wing blogs, like DailyKos, Democratic Underground and other such outlets to show people so describing themselves.
But, I digress.
In your eagerness to attack me, you totally miss the point of the post. I have long since learned to expect hate mail from this “controversial blog.” And if you had bothered to read the post, you would understand that hate mail no longer upsets me, but rather delights me as it helps prove (as does your comment) the narrow-mindedness of some of my critics.
#63 GayPatriotWest — July 19, 2006 @ 11:46 am – July 19, 2006
If I had time for that sort of thing,….
Jesus frigging christ. If you don’t have the time to defend the positions that you have taken on Internet websites, why do you bother putting them there, as posts on purported weblog?
Your constant wailing “I don’t have time to defend this, that or the other” is starting to fall on deaf ears. If you aren’t willing to defend your positions, say so, and then those of us who believe that more than a few of your positions are preposterous based on the facts will go away. And we’ll denigrate you because you are unwilling and unable to defend your positions.
Otherwise, you might want to stand up like a man (or woman) and defend your positions. I hate to refer to you as a milquetoast winger, but, from your comment, I’ll consider you as such.
“They don’ like me, and Ah don’ have anythin’ to provahd in re’pons’.”
Give me a frigging break. And I was raised–like you claim to have been –in Cincinnati, too. Unfortunately, for you, some of us actually know about the Republican party’s scandals in the Cincinnati area. You’re nothing more than a Republican party weenie, and it shows.
raj, it\’s not my job to document the hate-filled comments on leftist blogs. I have already proven my point that some people on the left define themselves by their hatred of Bush. I just lack the time to provide further examples.
Gosh, you just keep piling up the insults, don\’t you, even suggesting that I\’m being honest about where I was raised. I am aware of the GOP scandals in the Queen City. And just as there have been Republican Party scandals there, there have been Democratic ones in other cities. Doesn\’t make my party per se a bad one, just as other scandals don\’t make the Democratic a bad one. Just shows that there are bad apples in each.
And then you call me a \”Republican party weenie,\” proving the point of my post. Thanks.
And the funny thing is, GPW, despite the fact that you have freely provided your name, your background, your previous referenceable accomplishments (like your founding of LCR chapters), your contact email address, where you live, and where you give up, people like Raj are calling you a weenie — as they cringe and hide, unwilling to even provide the most basic email address, making constant excuses as to why they can’t.
and let’s not forget, raj baby isn’t interested in email addies, phone numbers, street addresses –he just wants your BMI.
gosh, the GayLeft is so pathetic it’s worthy of a good cry if someone would only care.
“At no point does this individual substantiate any of his points — nor does he address any that I made in my post. It’s just bile, pure and simple.”
Maybe the writer just has a different “style”? Like your blog partner….
#65 GayPatriotWest — July 19, 2006 @ 12:31 pm – July 19, 2006
raj, it\’s not my job to document the hate-filled comments on leftist blogs. I have already proven my point that some people on the left define themselves by their hatred of Bush. I just lack the time to provide further examples.
As you wish. I’ll take that as an acknowledgement of the fact that you have time to write long and meandering blog posts, but you don’t have time to defend them. Or the interest to defend them. Or the ability to defend them, for that matter.
Good grief, even PhD students have the time to defend their dissertations, and they are sometimes as long and meandering as some of your blog posts.
raj, I have defended them as I said in the quote you reproduce. I made my point, provided evidence which a critic did not deem satisfactory because he had misread the comment (not the post) which he had criticized.
Don’t blame me for those readers who will never be satisfied with the evidence we provide. They’ll never be satisfied with our explanations as they’re not here to learn our arguments and understand gay conservatives, but to bait and to dismiss our ideas — and by extension those of gay conservatives.
I only had to get to Item #4 and the following paragraph to start LMAO at this site. Here’s a quote from #4 “Sadly, many gay people are poster children for what is wrong with the Democrat Party : malignant narcissism. Name the Democrat constituent group ( gays, environmentalists, some members of racial minorities, etc ) and what you see in every case is a selfish focus on “me me me” masquerading as “the common good”. The Democrat Party is the party of selfishness and greed. I believe it is called “transference” : they accuse their oponents of the very things of which they are guilty.”
Now really, who is kidding who? The Republican Party is the party of “more for me, more for me, more for me”. At least in the money department. They rarely see common good in public works projects. The recent collapse of the bridge over the Old Mississippi is a classic example.
The Republican Party will happily use middle class American tax dollars to rebuild Iraq so let’s just use that as one example of the GOP being the party of the rich and the me. The example is Halliburton and the person in question is our own VP….
Cheney and the GOP have kept Halliburton “in play” in all defense bids for at least a decade and when there was a $13Bil bid for Iraq guess which company won… There are not, however, very many companies that can do what Halliburton and its subsidiaries do, and which have a long association with the Pentagon and its various bureaucratic techniques, such that they know how to fit in with the Department of Defense bureaucracy.
What was in it for Cheney? I don’t think it was a matter of only money. At least I hope it wasn’t. Cheney sold half his Halliburton stock options in 2000 for $5 million, and it is hard to imagine a man taking his country to war to increase the other half in value by a few million.
But, perhaps it was for Cheney may have been a bit swayed by his other me’s…. his friends – virtually all of the GOP.
This page needs to get back to all the issues in #4. They have to do with doing Patriotic things for the US. Not spreading genocide worldwide.