NSA Leak Traitor Called to Grand Jury
It is about friggin time that our Justice Department starts cracking down on the Traitors of Our Time (liberal career bureaucrats).
On Wednesday, July 26, Russell Tice, former National Security Agency (NSA) intelligence analyst and a member of National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC), was approached outside his home by two FBI agents who served him with a subpoena to testify in front of a federal grand jury. NSWBC has obtained a copy of the subpoena issued for Mr. Tice’s testimony and is releasing it to the public for the first time. The subpoena directs Mr. Tice to appear before the jury on August 2, 2006 at 1:00 p.m. in the Eastern District of Virginia. Mr. Tice “will be asked to testify and answer questions concerning possible violations of federal criminal law.”
Now if only Congress would have the balls to conduct serious and week-long televised investigation hearings into all of the recent leaks by Federal employees who side with al-Qaeda and against you and I.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
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I don’t think congress will do it, because I think more often than we want to admit the leaks come from a member of congress or their office.
Comment by just me — July 29, 2006 @ 10:15 am - July 29, 2006
It must be nice to feel very important and self rightious like this fellow, if he is the leaker. I agree that congress will never pursue this because leaks serve political ends, even if they are deterimental to our security.
Comment by Majordad — July 29, 2006 @ 11:12 am - July 29, 2006
From the post
Now if only Congress would have the balls to conduct serious and week-long televised investigation hearings into all of the recent leaks by Federal employees who side with al-Qaeda and against you and I.
Sorry, but I had been led to believe that it is the executive department’s job to see that the “laws be faithfully executed.” You know, Article II, and so forth–although I know that the Constitution doesn’t mean a whole lot to Republican aparatchicks.
I suppose that Congress might investigate the pResident and his Department of Justice as to why they are not investigating the leaks–if they aren’t–but I’d be amazed if the Republicans in Congress would really want to do so. Just when did Congress investigate the pResident and his DoJ for their failure to investigate their Valerie Plame leak?
Comment by raj — July 29, 2006 @ 11:28 am - July 29, 2006
Are you saying that the publishers of Who’s Who In America should be summoned to testify before Congress, Ian?
Comment by Frank IBC — July 29, 2006 @ 1:18 pm - July 29, 2006
raj/Ian, you gotta get some comprehension classes in at the local junior college before you comment erroneously again.
Bruce didn’t say that it was the job of Congress to do the Executive Office and DOJ’s job of criminal investigations of these un-patriotic (and likely Democrat) leakers… and, as a fact you blithely overlook for your convenience, Bruce actually notes in the first dozen words of the post that it’s DOJ’s job to criminally investigate the leaks –the criminal aspect comes in when taken in context with the quoted text… in case you try your usual BS spin of “Well, he didn’t say criminal….”
What is Congress’ job is to investigate the leaks –hopefully in a full hearing with CSpan in attendance as well as the Democrat committee members who would likely rather NOT be in the room because it’s uncomfortable for them and their staffers given a long history of past conduct on leaking. Congress has the obligation to investigate these most recent agent-press leaks and ferret out the leakers, adopt stronger penalties for leaking, and seek to reform a system in DC which is sometimes “broke” but, on the whole, I think works.
So, take a second to comprehend, raj/Ian, instead of your usual “I gotta comment! I gotta comment! How to spin this into a condescending, pedantic-sounding slam…” approach.
Recapping, because you likely need it more than a 1-L student: 1) the post makes clear it is DOJ’s job to criminally investigate the leaks; 2) the post argues in favor of Congress holding hearings into the leaks and bringing some sunshine into the rotten, fetid caucus we call House and Senate Democrats and Clintonian era bureaucRats that still populate the inner bowels of the NSA/CIA/FBI apparatus; and 3) the post never says it’s Congress’ job to criminally investigate the leaks.
One is a criminal investigation… one is a policy investigation.
Why comprehension and truth continue to avoid your grasp must be due to your blinding hatred of Bush, the GOP and America.
Comment by Michigan-Matt — July 29, 2006 @ 1:31 pm - July 29, 2006
and btw raj/ian, to answer your pruely rhetorical question: the Congress should NEVER investigate the Plame-Wilson scandal because of 2 simple but clearly overlooked reasons in your rush for getting in the slam/comment: 1) Fitzgerald was engaged in the work of a criminal investigation that appeared to be ripening fruit and 2) usually when Congress gets involved, junior staffers start making immunity deals in order to get the testimony needed for significant media attention.
In your purely rhetorical question of why not Plame-Wilson scandal, you expose yourself for the facile partisan opportunist you really are… if Congress didn’t investigate, it would be because Bush was scared… if Congress did investigate then you’d slam it for handing out the usual immunity treats and trying to hold harmless Bush Administration staff who, in your judgment, clearly “broke the law”… lol
Nice try at the “Damned if you do; Damned if you don’t” dilemma.
Hey, is that an ambulance siren I hear? Fetch boy, fetch.
Comment by Michigan-Matt — July 29, 2006 @ 1:41 pm - July 29, 2006
this guy is a hero. Bush should be given this supoena. actually he should be sent straight to jail. forever
Comment by lester — July 29, 2006 @ 3:03 pm - July 29, 2006
Why do you want Cheney to become President, Lester?
Comment by Frank IBC — July 29, 2006 @ 3:56 pm - July 29, 2006
Congress will NEVER allow a public debate on national security leaks as too-many of the leakers will point the finger at members of Congress and their staffers as the recipients of these classified materials.
Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — July 29, 2006 @ 4:32 pm - July 29, 2006
Alas.
“Against you and ME.” Object of the preposition. Tsk.
Comment by Gene — July 29, 2006 @ 11:06 pm - July 29, 2006
Whew. It’s so nice to know that there is absolutely, no such thing, ever, ever, ever as a conservative career republican who uses their position.
As far as congressional hearings: Well, if you want that, then just watch the old House Un-American activities. Shots of Roy Cohn sniggering during comments about homosexuals are a particular favorite high point for me. Maybe we could Karl Rove to do the same thing.
Comment by Kevin — July 30, 2006 @ 7:09 am - July 30, 2006
Kevin, it’s always interesting to see yet one more GayLeftie rise up to defend a corrupted, evil anti-American Hollywood and State Dept era bent on aiding our enemies.
It is so true that today’s GayLeftie is nothing more than warmed over 1940’s commie Hollywood wanna-be in search of a heritage in victimhood. Still anti-American. Still sneering at the majority. Still on the margin of society –hopelessly impotent and in deep anger, rage and illusion.
Get over the HUAC activities –it was the right thing to do, at the right time. Like nuking the Japs, kicking the VC’s ass for a dozen years, ending the WelfareState, growing our suburbs so Americans could escape the corrupt politics of Democrats in the innercities, restoring decency to the WH, American honor and respect abroad, and bringing the Free World to face the real threat of Islamofascism to the West… and not the imaginary threat of GlobalWarmUps or TradeBalances.
Nawh, Kevin… you go on embracing traitors and fellow anti-Americans… it’s a grand legacy you & the GayLeft have there.
And don’t forget to pull Cohn’s GayCard… afterall, he was somewhat conservative. And grab Hoover’s while you’re at it… you GayLefties are so pathetic.
Comment by Michigan-Matt — July 30, 2006 @ 9:02 am - July 30, 2006
#4 Frank IBC — July 29, 2006 @ 1:18 pm - July 29, 2006
Are you saying that the publishers of Who’s Who In America should be summoned to testify before Congress…(blather omitted).
This silliness was addressed here in a comment thread several weeks ago (I’m sure that NDXXX–that’s NuttyDogXXX, kind of like a pornographic pit-bull–can get the relevant URL, if you’re really interested–which I doubt), and I’m not going to bother rehash the issues again here on a relatively obscure web log.
One thing that I will bring up is that, if, as Shrub and his minions have been saying recently, that Plame’s identity as a presumptively undercover CIA agent was not classified, why was he and his minions running around a few years ago (after Wilson’s article was published, of course) saying that he wanted the leakers to be found and discharged? Why didn’t Shrub just say at the time that the information wasn’t classified?
Hmmmm?
The obvious implication is that the “declassification” was substantially after the fact, and that the information as, indeed, classified at the time it was disclosed.
Comment by raj — July 30, 2006 @ 11:33 am - July 30, 2006
raj/Ian, more silliness and misdirection –will you ever cease using that ploy? The point being made is that –even in the MSM– most “journalists” agree that Wilson outed his wife long before the WH had anything even indirectly to do with it.
Fitzgerald –the SP embraced by the liberals in DC– understood that point.
Editorial Bd after Editorial Bd at all the major news institutions –even at the LeftHavenLand of NPR– admit that Ms Plame was outed by her hubbie and even introduced at social events as a CIA agent “no longer undercover”…
It’s not surprising you can’t let it go in an honest recognition that your side lost another “smoking gun” ala the Downing St Memo, the WMD, etc etc.
Plame wasn’t hurt by the press’ disclosure. She wasn’t hurt by her husband’s earlier disclosure. She wasn’t even undercover for most of her career. She’s an analyst –not an agent.
Like with criminal investigations by DOJ vis a vis policy investigations by Congress, it’s clear you just can’t comprehend major differences.
Comment by Michigan-Matt — July 30, 2006 @ 8:15 pm - July 30, 2006
It’s very possible Russell Tice is guilty of the leak but, Bruce, it might be a little premature to call him a traitor. We really ought to wait for a trial.
Being ordered to testify before a grand jury doesn’t necessarily mean the person getting the subpoena is the target of the inquiry. My Mother got a subpoena to appear before a grand jury a few years ago because she had information about the persons being targeted by the prosecutor.
Comment by Trace Phelps — July 30, 2006 @ 8:52 pm - July 30, 2006
ACLU Cry About Government Crackdown On Leakers…
What do you call someone that leaks sensitive secret government programs designed to protect Americans and track down their enemies for all the world to know? Traitor? Deranged?
Well, if you are the ACLU you call them brave heroes.
The American Civ…
Trackback by Stop The ACLU — July 30, 2006 @ 10:29 pm - July 30, 2006
12: Well, I say it, because you gay republicans who so lovingly embrace the homophobia and hatred of the republican party continually refuse to acknowledge people like Cohn, Hooever and (today) Rove. These closeted slimebags use/d their positions of conservative power to hurt people who were/are gay (or simply rumored to be gay). They were/are simply happy to hurt others who were like themselves, yet lied their entire lives about who they truly were.
Comment by Kevin — July 30, 2006 @ 11:54 pm - July 30, 2006
Kevin, I didn’t know Rove was gay –I just thought that was projection on the part of his enemies on the GayLeft radical Democrat fringe.
And the former FBI Director’s name is Hoover.
I think it’s more telling that –even when called out on the practice– don’t deny the legacy of the corrupted, anti-American Red Hollywood of the 1940’s-50’s is found in today’s GayLeft.
America’s enemies abroad always have friends at home.
Comment by Michigan-Matt — July 31, 2006 @ 9:11 am - July 31, 2006
#17 Kevin — July 30, 2006 @ 11:54 pm - July 30, 2006
Well, I say it, because you gay republicans who so lovingly embrace the homophobia and hatred of the republican party continually refuse to acknowledge people like Cohn, Hooever [sic] and (today) Rove.
As far as I can tell, Rove isn’t gay. Thank goodness, given his girth–he would be referred to here as Karl the stupid Bovine. (Pigs aren’t stupid, but I digress.)
Rove hates Democrats because–as he acknowledged in one of his biographies–he had been beaten up by a Democrat girl when he was a young youth. She was about the same age. And, obviously, the experience of being beaten up by a Democrat girl left a mark on his delicate psyche. And that is why he hates Democrats.
That’s about the same reason that the James Dobson–of Focus on (some peoples’) Family fame, you know, the tail that wags the Republican Party dog–hates gay people. When Dobson was a child, he had been humiliated by his mother, wife to a somewhat itinerant christian preacher in Texas, and was beaten up by an effeminate youth of the same age.
I could go on and on about these people, including Gary Bauer–who hails from Newport Kentucky, across the Ohio River from where I was raised, and former head of the “Family Research Council”–but I’ll refrain. What is amusing is that the Republican apologists here and elsewhere seem to not really care what these degenerates are doing to their party.
Mir Wurst. Ask Matty for a translation.
Comment by raj — July 31, 2006 @ 9:34 am - July 31, 2006
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Comment by raj — July 31, 2006 @ 10:45 am - July 31, 2006
#12 - “Get over the HUAC activities –it was the right thing to do, at the right time.”
Ok, so lets go back to the early 50’s, when ANyone, especially anyone famous, whom Hoover didn’t like, was called before the huac and verbally brutalized, and had their personal lives dragged through the mud for no other reason that Hoover/McCarthy not liking them. Let’s ruin more lives/careers for no other reason than that Karl Rove doesn’t like “your face.” They used the same tactics against those accused as the KGB did in the former soviet union. do you really want to live in a country like that?? God, how did you become so brainwashed. ugh…Please, for your sake, and sakes of your family, STOP listening to Michael Savage.
More on topic — IMHO, I think that ANyone who has a security clearance has a responsibility not to leak classified information they have access to, except through the proper “whistle blower” channels. If they are sooo set against the policies of the government/intelligence agencies they work for, they can always quit. No one forces them to keeping working there. Quitting a job is one of the few freedoms we have left.
Comment by ndtovent — July 31, 2006 @ 11:44 am - July 31, 2006
These closeted slimebags use/d their positions of conservative power to hurt people who were/are gay (or simply rumored to be gay). They were/are simply happy to hurt others who were like themselves, yet lied their entire lives about who they truly were.
Or:
Ok, so lets go back to the early 50’s, when ANyone, especially anyone famous, whom Hoover didn’t like, was called before the huac and verbally brutalized, and had their personal lives dragged through the mud for no other reason that Hoover/McCarthy not liking them. Let’s ruin more lives/careers for no other reason than that Karl Rove doesn’t like “your face.” They used the same tactics against those accused as the KGB did in the former soviet union. do you really want to live in a country like that??
Comments like these always bring an ironic smile to my face, considering what’s happened to GayPatriot already and the persons who perpetrated it — leftist, liberal, paid Democratic operatives all, who refuse to comment on their own personal lives or past activity.
That’s why when Raj raves about “degenerates”, we just laugh. I’ll take James Dobson over Mike Rogers and Raj any day. At least Dobson opposes pornography of women and children being bound, raped, and slashed.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — July 31, 2006 @ 12:52 pm - July 31, 2006
ndtovent at #21… you know, I think you need to get out more and read some history… but not that which is written by the far Left or the NYT reporters.
The HUAC did a lot of good and, despite what maybe the legacy of the Red Hollywood types in this generation, communist cells were operating, secrets were being traded, money was being laundered for in-States Russian agents, and –although it seems like a long time ago– spying was effective. It was a threat. Not imaginary. Not celluloid.
That’s why the HUAC worked. It chilled out the Red Hollywood and pro-communist State Dept types. It helped average Americans come to understand early in the Cold War that countries abroad meant us HARM and their agents in our country were here to help it happen… and some in our own country were helping.
It amazes that, in the comfort of your GayLeft world, you can contemplate that the threat of communist espionage can be easily dismissed.
The real problem is that it is STILL happening today –only with a different group and now its the WOT.
Don’t be so quick to discount news stories where HomeLand Sec Dept says it would now like to start checking backpacks on the subways in NYC… because when that story broke the Sen Dems were quick to run to the floor of the Senate to pooh-pooh the idea as unworkable paranoia meant to keep the people under Bush’s thumb of fear. And it was echoed over at the DailyKos, etc.
A few months later, we learn it wasn’t all hookum and smoke. The threat was real.
Nawh, the HUAC served a useful purpose. You stop listening to Geo Clooney for your history lesson.
BTW, I never listen to Savage or Limbaugh or Hannity or Coulter or OReilly. I despise shrill rhetoric on the Right and much as I do on the Left –it’s made us all far too uncivil. But then, I’m a Rotarian. Go figure.
Comment by Michigan-Matt — July 31, 2006 @ 8:55 pm - July 31, 2006
#23 - MM, I don’t ‘easily dismiss’ the threat of espionage. I know full well that it is a very real threat, and can be devastating to our national security. However, McCarthy’s committee railroaded many innocent people who had nothing to do with espionage, while real espionage agents continued to spy and pass secret info to the soviets right under the noses of the government, undetected for many years. The efforts of the HUAC were over zealous, and completely misdirected. They ruined so many lives and careers, some of them just because of libertarian oppinions, or because they were gay, or for some other irrelevant reason that Hoover/McCarthy thought validated their abusive treatment of these people. I’m all for rooting out genuine spies who are detrimental to our national security and prosecuting them, but go after the right people, and investigate properly.
That said, I think people who work in the intelligence field, and who leak classified information to the press should be investigated and fully prosecuted…. But don’t drag innocent people through the mud just because they have fringe views/oppinions. The majority may not agree with them, and may even despise them, but they have rights just like everybody else, freedom of speech included.
As far as DHS checking luggage and backpacks in subways and train stations, I’m all for it. I think they should have an x-ray machine on every turnstyle, but it’s not likely to happen anytime soon, unless some brilliant engineer comes up with a workable solution that doesn’t hold passengers up for 2-3 hours at a time. I’m also for infiltration of mosques in the U.S., and those who teach/preach the jihad doctrine of “killing all infidels” should be thoroughly investigated (while ensuring that their constitutional rights to free speech are preserved).
Comment by ndtovent — August 1, 2006 @ 10:07 am - August 1, 2006
ndtovent, I appreciate the added clarification to your opinions. I disagree that the work of the HUAC can be summed up as “railroaded many innocent people who had nothing to do with espionage” while letting true agents escape or remain undetected.
I think that’s the summary of the George Clooney-I-love-old-Hollywood camp and it’s just flat out wrong as a summary.
The HUAC held hearings in hundreds of locals across the US and, at least in this area of Michigan, the HUAC uncovered people who were indeed intent on harming America. Known CP-USA supporters and sympatico types were watched, their activities and networks identified. In Michigan, the HUAC uncovered and detailed the extent of CP-USA organizers and money directed into, for instance, the BigLabor movement here in Michigan. While the mob may have had its mitts on many union leaders, the CP-USA folks clearly were helping raise discontent and workplace stife on a factory plant-by-plant level… and they had been doing it for years (as early as the mid-1930s and leading up to the famous Sit Down Strike).
As a young boy, my classmates and I learned about those “heroes” of labor organizing in the early days of BigLabor… I was surprised to learn later in life how the teachers left out the influence of the communist party, the first “Red Brigade” as they called themselves, the use of autonomous cells for organizing… etc. Fancy that?
Later, these same cells were used to recruit informants who provided information back to Soviet agents in Detroit during WWII and after about weapons manufacture, tank armaments, military vehicle operating capacities, etc.
You simply can’t reduce the work of the HUAC –although some of it was over-the-top– to innocent people were railroaded. The balance of the HUAC’s work had utility, ndtovent.
Spying is real, as you correctly note. As I noted earlier this week, I was at a dinner party at an area restaurant and, it turns out, the owners of the restaurant are alleged to be significant financial supporters of Hezbollah. God only knows what else they might do given their loyalties lie with something other than America.
I think a key difference between a Left-organized mind and Right-organized mind is that the Right generally understands the threat as real… the Left see some sort of boogeyman. The threat of terrorists and spying in America IS real.
I mentioned the NYC subway backpack issue because the MSM pooh-poohed it as more threat mongering by the beleagured, put-upon WH and Bush Administration… turns out it wasn’t that far off the page. Even Left commentators here and on Left-of-center blogs made light of concern by HomeLand Security on the issue.
Turns out those who belittled the threat were operating for partisan and idelogical gain… and that’s dangerous when we use Americans’ security as a political chip to score debating points.
I think, in a large way, rewriting history to slam the HUAC from the comfort of 20-20 hindsight some 50+ years later underscores how the Left and Right differ in this country. It is a striking, fundamental and instructive difference.
Hamdan (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-hamdan2aug02,1,3334643.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california) or Padilla (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/27/dirty.bomb.suspect/) are examples from today’s headlines… the Left see them as innocents villified by an unfair and excessive Justice Dept… I see them as likely terrorists who got away “between the technicalities” with the help of slick, liberal activists.
It is instructive. When I see the Left honestly embrace the terrorist threat I’ll believe it –but for now, it’s like the Left using slogans like “Support the troops, not the mission” or wanting to use dead soldiers’ families and their grief for PR attention. I don’t buy the Left is sincere in its new found sympathy for the military… TedKennedy and the bodyarmor issue is a good example on point.
And I don’t think the Left understands or appreciates the reality of spying, threats, and how deeply our enemies from abroad have infiltrated American neighborhoods, workplaces, or daily life.
I think it’s about time for a modern day HUAC effort… targeted at those terrorists who intend us harm.
Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 2, 2006 @ 5:19 am - August 2, 2006
appreciate your feedback, MM… Just FYI, though, i have NOT seen “Good Night and Good Luck” yet… It’s on my “to see” list. I’ve read a lot about the hearings of that era, and have seen what I think are some good documentaries on it.
Comment by ndtovent — August 2, 2006 @ 9:51 am - August 2, 2006
…against you and ME… These things show, well, they show….
Comment by sean — August 3, 2006 @ 6:34 am - August 3, 2006
#22. More victim talk…awwww…..
Comment by sean — August 3, 2006 @ 6:36 am - August 3, 2006
#25 - M-Matt, you nailed it. Bring back the HUAC. And let’s start with the usual suspects - Murtha, Pelosi, Rangel and the ACLU.
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — August 4, 2006 @ 4:30 pm - August 4, 2006