“We must work hard for a Constitutional Amerndment to ban same-sex marriage
and re-criminalize homosexual sodomy.

Homosexuality is a great evil, as the Bible makes abundantly clear. Those
who support same-sex marriage and the homosexualization of America are
leading us down the primrose path of perversion. The CDC reports a rise in
STDs and homosexual perversion among our youths. These perversions and
diseases can be a death sentence; they can also lead to mental instability
and mental illness. Those who accept homosexuality will be subject to the
effects of these diseases, one way or another. All children deserve a mother
and a father. Single mothers who are not married should look to a male
relative to serve as that father figure until they can get married to a good
father, not to a perverted lesbian lover nor to the social welfare programs
of Leviathan in Washington, D.C., or Sacramento, Calif., et al., for that
matter.

Repent, or suffer the consequences. ”

DR

The truth is that CentCom (for the liberals who only evade service and know nothing about the military, that stands for Central Command) used “OIL”…

Oh, another admission that I was correct.

Sorry bro, but if you recall I said that no one will be deciding how to intepret the rules except Dan and I.

I further said that I would tolerate NO WHINING about using the rules to invent insults. You are damn lucky I’m leaving your comment up to make a point.

If you don’t like the rules and how they are applied, go away.

You were the one who said Republicans want to put all gays in concentration camps. Be proud of your stance; it’s not like it’s costing you anything among Democrats.

“Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society’s regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.”

Orson Card

Orson identifies himself as a Democrat, but certainly one on the right, which can be found in wiki.

March 16, 2004 meeting of the Rhea County Commission
This is what he said: “But what it’s pertaining to is these homosexual marriages that’s going on across our country. I’d like to make a motion that those kind of people cannot live in Rhea County or abide in Rhea County. If they’re caught in Rhea County, living together as such, that they be tried for crimes against nature.”

DR

Homosexual conduct should not be tolerated. The conduct should be made criminal again.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/723699/posts

yielded with google site:freerepublic.com criminal homosexual

“YOU SAID that Republicans wanted to re-criminalize homosexuality”
I said some on the right/republicans.

Further research would probably yield more, but I don’t know if they would withstand “responsible GOPers” scrutiny and I doubt anything would be gained anyway other than to further my own knowledge of individual positions on the issue. One will have to be enough at this hour.

Your feelings on the war are clear as are mine. We’re all unmoved. One can see why it is so difficult for politicians to compromise.

1. Everything listed in #23 is a real left-liberal Democrat position.

2. Everything listed in #23 is ridiculous

You said Dems want these things:

Cut & run from Iraq… CHECK (spend the peace dividend on me)
Voting & affirmative rights for illegals… CHECK (you forgot felons)
Massive tax increases… CHECK –it’s a core value for them
Universal health care… CHECK –and FREE insurance for the poor
Schools for the unions…. CHECK –they’ve done well in big city schools
Gun control… CHECK –and they won’t let me shoot morning doves
Judiciary activism… CHECK –liberal and activist are synonymous

You have the Democrat Liberal Agenda for the last 5 years.

I think the real reason the Left wants to Cut & Run from Iraq and the WOT is because they are inherently suspicious of all things military and, frankly, still don’t understand the use of strength in foreign affairs even after Reagan and Bush showed ‘em how to do it for 12 years.

It’s why they run to squishy concepts like Humanitarian Priorities and UN as World Regent and helping socialist states appear democratic.

They just don’t get it. Probably never will. Honest debate aside.

-The US should not withdraw from Iraq now that it is there. It would be unwise for the US to do so.

-I do not believe in voting rights for non-citizens.

-I am opposed to massive tax increases as well as massive borrowing and deficit spending.

I hope that makes it a little less murky.

But you see, Daniel, it doesn’t work that way –you get to plead for honest debate and discussion, then make wildly unsubstantiated and opinionated statements that are presented as FACT, then get called on it for proof and you turn the issue aside by telling the party asking for proof to go look it up.

Around here we call that “Doing the RAJ”.

With all due respect, how is that different from someone here saying “the aliens have landed on Earth”, one asks for proof –like an alien or some video– and the party claiming the fact to be true says… well, go find out for yourself. Or, worse, you prove the aliens haven’t landed –another goal post moving tactic from some of the GayLeft commentators here.

YOU SAID that Republicans wanted to re-criminalize homosexuality. Now, that’s news to me because I’ve been to all Natl GOP Conventions in my adult life, most of Michigan’s state conventions and I can’t remember a single instance where a responsible GOPer got up and said “We need to recriminalize homosexual conduct”. I’ve been at GOP strategy sessions with Karl Rove and others and never heard it. From what some of the GayLefties here think, I’d gather Karl Rove would have a lighting powered laser set to highlight something like that for family value goons who lurk in the GOP.

Or are you being coy? Does your wildly outrageous speculation include something like “Well, not every single GOPer supports ending the sodomy laws and some want to overturn SCOTUS rulings on sodomy”?

You asked, nay pleaded, for honest debate Daniel. It’s not hard to do. At the same time, when you state an opinion which cannot be supported by facts, then say that you believe… x or y or z. But don’t smear an entire political party in the lust to score debate points, ok?

When I did check “republicans recriminalize homosexuality” I got a ton of cites for radical GayLeft and Democrat blogs… even one called DemoPedia –lol. Come on, debate doesn’t need to be buttressed by DemocratParty talking points from the discredited GayLeft.

Thanks for your answer about what makes the WOT and Iraq particularly irritating for you. I believe that view is both naive and imprudent –and so do a majority of Americans. It’s why, when the elections are over today… the Democrats won’t even be close to a power base… and, I believe, their anti-war stance will cost them the WH in 08, less seats in ’08 and –very likely– another 4 years of marginalization.

They were going to beat GeoBush in ’00. Then they were “Taking back the House” in ’02. Then it was a moment in the sun while a GOP turncoat played petulant child for a while. Then it was we’re “Taking Back America” in ’04. Now, in ’06, we’re supposed to believe you guys that the House and Senate is turning over to the Democrats because anti-war sentiments have reached a critical mass.

Right. Brooklyn Bridge for sale.

I disagree with you ,V the K, in 51. I do think the Democratic agenda presented was ridiculous…as ridiculous as was the Republican agenda that I listed.

In 52, I do not support all the things listed as a Democrat’s agenda. I will say however, that I do believe in gun control and I am an advocate of universal health care, even if nationalized.

“Whereas the notion that Republicans want to make more people homeless, deprive them of health care, and eliminate public schools is nutty left-wing hyperbole.”

I believe these are the results of some policies and not their intention.

“Fair enough, Daniel. We’ll skip over your outrageous statement that “I can cite many references where the Republicans believe that homosexuality should be recriminalized” –let’s go back to your original point at #4.”

This is not outrageous. Please search Google, the Congressional Record, thomas.loc.gov, sodomylaws.org, freerepublic.com, renew america, governmental committee meetings, personal statements, and make a few phone calls for this information.

How have Democrats acted liked GOPers and am I tired of it? In my view Democrats have acted like Republicans in opposing equal marriage most recently. Many Democrats were guilty of this…and worse Additionally, I disapprove of Democrats authorizing a President to go to war on such ill-advised and questionable information. You now have two examples.

FYI, I didn’t vote for Clinton in 1992 and I have NEVER forgiven him for promising to lift the ban on gays in the military and not doing so. He should have kept that promise, particularly since he was just elected and could have done it by executive order. However, in reference to Clinton and Lewinsky, I really don’t care who is sleeping with whom or where..Republican or Democrat. Way too much was made of something so irrelevant, but Clinton did stick his foot in it.

I am absolutely opposed to the war in Iraq because in my view it is a tremendous waste of American resources. Yes, I know you all are in favor of it, but I am not. I find it to be financially costly, deadly, and of little benefit to America in comparison to the cost. I believe the resources for the war in Iraq would have better spent elsewhere such as alternative energy, national health care, the teaching and advancement of science and mathematics so that the United States remains a leader in these fields.

Great points, VdaK. If Lieberman was liberal enough to garner support of the Natl Democrat Party leadership to serve as VEEP nominee, how can being in support of the WOT put him that far to right? I mean all those positions, even if worth of a single point on the LeftLiberal LitmusTester Strip couldn’t be outdone by the WOT or Iraq, could it?

I thought of Joe Lieberman as a crafty, fast learning, quick on his feet political animal of the first order. Politician 100% of the time. Maybe today’s primary battle only demostrates that there are strange quirks in every political house –just think back to Vermont’s GOP Loon Jim Jeffords.

“… but many Democrats, including myself, have been angry for years over Democrats acting like Republicans and the actions of this government over the past few years. Lieberman is likely to be the first casualty for such an alliance.”

I’ve honestly been trying to think of an example where Democrats were acting like GOPers in the last 5-10-15 years. By that do you mean, anything that is bipartisan in the Congress must be “Democrats acting like GOPers”? Or do you mean walking away from the agenda of protecting the environment, punishing corporations, restoring welfare rights, new safety net programs, stronger inner city schools, rebuilding the rotting urban areas? What? Shifting foreign policy from strength based back to humanitarian priorities? What?

I thought JohnFKerry, Gore, Dukasis, Mondale and Carter did an excellent jpb laying out the Democrat vision. Not watered down. Pure Democrat Party stuff right out of the FDR-JFK tradition of the party.

I’ll grant you that Clinton was Republican-lite as you call it… on policy; certainly not on personal conduct, character or professional conduct. But on policy, ok.

You tell me, what is about the WOT and the Iraq theatre that so irritates you –personally. You; not the Democrat Party talking point voicebox for the day… not JonStewart or Hollywood’s read on it all. You. Is it the tragic deaths of troops and civilians? The expenditure of American resources better spent here? What? The bad intelligence that got us here?