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Ben Stein: Bush Is “Hero for the Ages”

Posted by Bruce Carroll at 7:27 am - August 10, 2006.
Filed under: War On Terror,World War III

Ben Stein has articulated the fight between liberal Western democracies and Islamic fascism in a simple and profound way in this American Spectator column.

When the Israelis capture Arabs in their wars, the captured Arabs are well fed, well housed, and eventually returned to their homes. When the Arabs (specifically the Syrians) have captured Israelis, they castrate them, cut off their male organs, decapitate the Israelis, and stuff their male organs in their mouths and leave the bodies on the field. Sometimes they also defecate on the bodies.

To see George W. Bush stand up for Israel while the left whines about totally meaningless multilateralism — which means asking France to defend Israel, sort of like asking Martin Bormann to defend Israel — is to see clear decency versus a waffling, age-old anti-Semitic sickness.

The line of the fight between civilization and barbarism runs right along the Israel-Lebanon non-border. If it’s not won there, it won’t be long until the front line is right here, and then it will be too late. When George Bush stands up for Israel, he stands up for the whole future of mankind. Yes, he has flaws and has made serious mistakes, but right now, he is a hero for the ages.

In the meantime, American gays wail and beat their chests about how terrible it is in the USA for them at the same time they sip their lattes and dance at their favorite clubs.  Our community is a serious state of denial just the storm clouds of Islamic fascism are gathering around the world, targeting Americans and gays for death.

-Bruce (GayPatriot)

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  1. I must agree with you here Bruce in the sense that those in “our community” should have a broader perspective of the world than just the local issues or private concerns. It is very difficult to engage some others in “our community” on issues that don’t have to do with the next trick, manhunt, or what’s on TV. This is particularly a problem in Fort Lauderdale, where I live, which has a large gay community. I see this even in the employees that work for me. That said, we all have to keep talking and keep bringing these issues and concerns to the table. It just isn’t very pleasant to think or talk about. Some men I know weren’t even aware of the deaths of those teenagers in Iran last year or more recent violence against gay people. It is terribly saddening.

    We may not agree on the approach to solving problems, but we agree, I think, on the concerns.

    DR

    Comment by DanielFTL — August 10, 2006 @ 8:10 am - August 10, 2006

  2. Gays of the world, unite!!
    But aren’t we Americans first?

    Comment by sean — August 10, 2006 @ 9:50 am - August 10, 2006

  3. I wonder how long it will be before the wagging tongues on the Left start to discredit the efforts of MI5 and others to uncover the terrorist cells in this latest bomb-the-jets horror?

    When will the press pundits and former Clinton Administration officials start in with…. “I think this is an attempt on the part of WH and TonyBlair to halt the Democrat tide of November” nonsense? Like they did when Homeland Security suggested backpacks be checked on the NYC subways… flyer’s shoes be inspected going onboard… the Terror Code modification and upticks in warning levels… etc.

    While Ben Stein may think that the line is drawn at the northern border of Israel and Bush is a hero of ages… it’s really never smart to draw the line because terrorists don’t respect lines drawn in the sand –just the line of fire. And we need to use the latter far more often.

    We stop them over there –Iraq, the Taliban, southeast Asia etc– or they’ll once again bring the war to our shores. Thank God Israel understands the use of force for defense.

    Could there be any easier message to understand? And seemingly, ignore?

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 10, 2006 @ 11:00 am - August 10, 2006

  4. Vera sees the mainstreaming of Anti-Semitism as one more signpost on the path to doom.

    If anyone thinks this will stop at the Jews, Vera is here to tell you – you’re sadly mistaken.

    From Mel Gibson’s public/drunken rant against the Jews (can you imagine if he said something similar about the gays? Or blacks? Or Muslims?!?) to Congresswoman’s McKinney’s black panther entourage hurling anti-Semitic invectives at the press, to the soft bigotry and anti Israel insinuations made against Senator Lieberman (too Pro Israel?!? Could we be too pro British or pro France if they were fighting terrorist at their doorstep?), as the democrats purifying purge finally gets going (hint: always come for the Jews first; history shows they garner the least sympathy).

    How history will judge not only Mr. Bush, but also those people who saw the threat and did nothing to stop it (yes Kofi – Vera is looking at you and that useless UN) is for other to say.

    Reconstruct Israel on Manhattan Island and relocate every Jew from the middle east to it; and you still won’t see the disbanding of the terrorists or the diminishing of their bloodthirst. Remove every trace of Western culture from the Middle East and Islamic fanaticism will continue to grow, unchecked and unstoppable. Their goal of killing/converting us isn’t based on some past injustice of what we’ve done to them, but on who we are, what we value, and how we live. Until that is destroyed, they have no intention of stopping the bloodshed.

    We are passing another sign post up ahead (the acceptance of Muslim laws in a Western democracy? The outlawing of anything critical towards Islam?): Will we bother to notice what path we’re on?

    Comment by Vera Charles — August 10, 2006 @ 12:06 pm - August 10, 2006

  5. Bruce–

    It’s not just gay people that are unserious. It’s most of Western civilization.

    Comment by Hubbard — August 10, 2006 @ 12:07 pm - August 10, 2006

  6. Vera, I’ve loved you since I started reading this blog, but damn, that was just hot. Well-spoken and too true.

    Comment by Casey — August 10, 2006 @ 12:30 pm - August 10, 2006

  7. The terror rainbow flag is back…. YIKES!

    Comment by Well? — August 10, 2006 @ 1:28 pm - August 10, 2006

  8. #3, Apparently, it only took the nutjobs on Americablog a few minutes: Americablog Nutjobs: “Terror Plot a Trick by Bushco to Weaken Ned Lamont”

    Comment by V the K — August 10, 2006 @ 1:28 pm - August 10, 2006

  9. I hate people who hate freedom!

    Comment by Here we go again! — August 10, 2006 @ 1:43 pm - August 10, 2006

  10. I just posted on that over on Gay Orbit.

    I can just see One-Note Neddy in the Senate now…..”I deny the existence of terrorists because Bush said they exist!”

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 10, 2006 @ 2:06 pm - August 10, 2006

  11. So Bruce, Why can’t we fight for equality of opportunity for gays and lesbians both at home and abroad? Why do you think it has to be an either/or choice?

    The “choice” that the GOP gives is a false choice. The idea that you have to sacrifice freedom at home in order to fight terrorism abroad is stupid. There is absolutely no reason in the world why the GOP has to be against equality for gay and lesbian Americans while at the same time fighting terrorism. It can, and should do both. But it doesn’t. Why? It has found that appealing to the prejudices and fears of straight Americans can help the GOP win elections. Right and Wrong get thrown out the window.

    Bush as the “Hero of the Ages”? I don’t think so. It doesn’t take much heroics to simply sit back and let Israel do all the fighting. It also assumes that America actually could stop Israel from invading Lebanon. To think that is to agree with the pathological conspiracy theorists in the Islamic world.

    Comment by Patrick (Gryph) — August 10, 2006 @ 2:07 pm - August 10, 2006

  12. Patrick writes: “The idea that you have to sacrifice freedom at home in order to fight terrorism abroad is stupid.”

    I am still amazed at how often voices like yours on the Left fail to comprehend a simple truth, Patrick. This is a war to fight terror abroad or it will once again be a war we fight here –in the air space over our cities, in the malls our children and parents shop in, at the open air concerts we attend in the summertime, in our schools, in our college football stadiums in the fall… and countless other places the terrorists can strike us –strike our children –strike our neighbors –strike you.

    You may be unable to defend yourself and wish to hazard your neighbor’s safety to the terrorists –thank God others who are responsible won’t let that happen.

    As of August 10th, you can NOT name a single right you have “given up” in the WOT unless you mask a right in words of speedy access to the jetway, or the “right” to be free from terror alerts, or some other false “right” you are so quick to announce is gone –vaporized in the mad rush of the neo-cons to destroy our Republic.

    Nonsense, Patrick. You also need to get serious about this debate. The time for hysterical rants, unpatriotic actions, and anything that attempts to undercut American resolve to win this WOT is not acceptable any longer.

    The acts this morning by a sophisticated group of terrorists intent on murdering Americans is no longer something you can conveniently dismiss.

    The WOT is priority #1. We can piddle about the right of gays to serve openly in the military and have consensual sex in the barracks at a later date. The WOT comes first and if you don’t accept that, I’d say it’s quitting time for you.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 10, 2006 @ 3:08 pm - August 10, 2006

  13. Vera,

    You deserve a smart cocktail for that last post. Brava!

    Comment by Tom — August 10, 2006 @ 3:24 pm - August 10, 2006

  14. At 3:30 this afternoon, the AmericaBlog terrorist support group was up to 390 comments. I can’t believe there are Americans in our country who believe the utter crap AmericaBlog opinionators are spewing.

    Oh wait, they voted for Lamont. Silly me.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 10, 2006 @ 3:33 pm - August 10, 2006

  15. #13: I read where 75% of Ned Lamont’s Base (DailyKos) in an on-line poll believe the terror plot was: “more drama from BushCo to keep us all afraid:”
    So, the “stronger, tougher” Democrat stance on terrorism is… to dwell in total denial and conspiracy-theory fantasyland.

    Comment by V the K — August 10, 2006 @ 3:51 pm - August 10, 2006

  16. I agree. We now know that One-Note Neddy’s answer to everything will be “It’s a plot cooked up by the Bush administration!”

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 10, 2006 @ 4:03 pm - August 10, 2006

  17. Joe Lieberman should be holding a press conference right now saying that Ned Lamont’s supporters think the British Air Terror plot is a PR ploy by unnamed parties intended to derail Ned’s victory parade.

    Then demand that Ned come out, condemn those voices and prove his resolve in the WOT. Silence is NOT an option any longer… nor is allowing the Left and Democrats to sleep through another terrorist plotting scheme.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 10, 2006 @ 4:05 pm - August 10, 2006

  18. #11 – The idea that we ARE presently sacrificing freedom at home in any serious way to fight terrorism abroad, is stupid.

    Comment by Calarato — August 10, 2006 @ 4:16 pm - August 10, 2006

  19. and now we get 10 planes almost blown out of the sky. I’m sure it had nothing to do with israel killing 1000 lebanese civilians. thanks a lot guys

    Comment by lester — August 10, 2006 @ 4:49 pm - August 10, 2006

  20. lester gives voice to the other idiotism floating in the Democrat blogosphere today: if we just didn’t upset those poor muslim fascists, they wouldn’t want to terrorize us. They only attackus because we’re mean to them first.

    Right, like 9-11, lester. No lesson learned by you, I see. Thy name is Isolationism and the fringe Democrats are taking anyone they can on the theme park ride.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 10, 2006 @ 5:08 pm - August 10, 2006

  21. Let’s be nice, fellas; lester has just had to admit that, unlike One-Note Neddy told him, there actually WAS a terrorist plot.

    Now, falling back to One-Note Neddy’s talking points about poor misunderstood Hizbollah, lester tries to spin that the United States somehow deserved this attack because of their support for the oppressive Israelis who, gosh darn it, just won’t sit in their houses and LET Hizbollah send rockets down on them.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 10, 2006 @ 5:12 pm - August 10, 2006

  22. #19: It’s the 2006 update on 1938’s “Just give them the Sudetenland, and they’ll leave us alone.”

    Some people just can’t stand it when the J-o-o-s fight back.

    Comment by V the K — August 10, 2006 @ 5:13 pm - August 10, 2006

  23. Vera Charles for US Senate from Connecticut!

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — August 10, 2006 @ 5:15 pm - August 10, 2006

  24. 1. Vera Charles for US Senate from Connecticut!
    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Peter darling,

    Vera couldn’t possibly run for the US Senate: one crazy alcoholic who can’t drive worth a damn is more than enough!

    Comment by Vera Charles — August 10, 2006 @ 5:29 pm - August 10, 2006

  25. Vera, honey, you just made my day with that last retort!

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — August 10, 2006 @ 5:32 pm - August 10, 2006

  26. Ben Stein? The next time I rely on somebody whose main claim to fame is doing commercials for eyedrops–and to a lesser extent to comedy game shows–for political advices is…well, I wouldn’t rely on someone whose main claim main claim to fame is…

    Comment by raj — August 10, 2006 @ 6:10 pm - August 10, 2006

  27. BTW, we haven’t subscribed to American Speculator in years. We did for its comedic aspects during the time of David Brock Whitewater scandal reports. The reports were funny as heck. We liked Stein’s columns there at the time, because they were very droll, but that’s about it.

    Comment by raj — August 10, 2006 @ 6:13 pm - August 10, 2006

  28. Don’t mock me for my lattes. You think we have it so great here, but the last latte I ordered, they used regular milk instead of soy and added sugar when I told them not to, so F you GP! 🙂

    Comment by Dalebert (aka Dale in LA) — August 10, 2006 @ 6:28 pm - August 10, 2006

  29. It’s sort of sad that I have to say it (lester) but Vera is right. #18 “and now we get 10 planes almost blown out of the sky. I’m sure it had nothing to do with israel killing 1000 lebanese civilians. thanks a lot guys.” Surely you jest. Vera is right… all Jews could be relocated to some other place (Lex Luthor’s crystal island) and all Western influence removed from the mid-east and it would make no difference. The extremism would just grow unimpeded.

    Probably the only thing that actually has a chance of helping is Bush’s gamble to reform the middle east by planting the seed of liberal democracy in Iraq.

    Comment by Synova — August 10, 2006 @ 6:31 pm - August 10, 2006

  30. Ben Stein? The next time I rely on somebody whose main claim to fame is doing commercials for eyedrops–and to a lesser extent to comedy game shows–for political advices is…well, I wouldn’t rely on someone whose main claim main claim to fame is…

    Ah, RajIan, up to your old tricks of smearing peoples’ credentials.

    Perhaps it would help you if you knew a bit about Mr. Stein, in addition to his roles in entertainment:

    Ben Stein (Benjamin J. Stein) was born November 25, 1944 in Washington, D.C., (He is the son of the economist and writer Herbert Stein) grew up in Silver Spring, Maryland, and attended Montgomery Blair High School. He graduated from Columbia University in 1966 with honors in economics. He graduated from Yale Law School in 1970 as valedictorian of his class by election of his classmates. He helped to found the Journal of Law and Social Policy while at Yale. He has worked as a poverty lawyer in New Haven and Washington, D.C., a trial lawyer in the field of trade regulation at the Federal Trade Commission in Washington, D.C., a university adjunct at American University in Washington, D.C., at the University of California at Santa Cruz, and at Pepperdine University in Malibu, CA. At American U. He taught about the political and social content of mass culture. He taught the same subject at UCSC, as well as about political and civil rights under the Constitution. At Pepperdine, he has taught about libel law and about securities law and ethical issues since 1986.

    And what about yours? Oh, that’s right, you’re too afraid to publish them.

    Bye now. 🙂

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 10, 2006 @ 6:38 pm - August 10, 2006

  31. Note to Ben Stein: a “hero for the ages” is someone who regularly stands up for what is truly good and right. It’s not someone who has “made serious mistakes” and for once agrees with the most of the people of the world who want to live their lives in some kind of peace. George Bush will simply be remembered as the worst 2 term president in the history of our country. here’s looking forward to January 2009.

    Comment by Kevin — August 10, 2006 @ 6:57 pm - August 10, 2006

  32. #28 – I haven’t followed much of this thread, but if anybody has tried to claim that the latest terror bombing plot was because of “Israel killing 1000 lebanese civilians”, then they have just made an argument stupid and ignorant beyond measure. Really.

    They would have had to completely ignore, with mind-numbing stupidity, the facts that:

    — the chief killers of Lebanese civilians have been, and are, Hezbollah and Syria;

    — the latest terror bombing plot was NOT just cooked up in the last few weeks, i.e., since the start of the new Mideast war;

    — the new Mideast war was very much launched by Hezbollah attacks on Israeli terrority – with Israel having fully pulled out of Lebanese territory early this century;

    — Hezbollah intentionally locates its rocket launchers (that constantly rain down on Israel and started the new war, among other Hezbollah actions) among civilians – precisely to increase Lebanese civilian deaths, gaining both sympathy for and fear of Hezbollah;

    — With the help of the MSM (e.g., al-Reuters), Hezbollah actually STAGES photographs of supposed (but non-existent) Lebanese civilian “deaths” and INFLATES the counts, which are therefore quite unreliable. Just in the last few days, an Israeli counter-strike that was originally reported as killing 40 Lebanese civilians, turned out to have killed ONE.

    Hmmm, in fact, anybody making an argument like ‘the latest terror bombing plot is due to Israel killing XXXX Lebanese civilians’ would have to be reasonably suspected of being an outright dupe of Hezbollah’s.

    Comment by Calarato — August 10, 2006 @ 7:12 pm - August 10, 2006

  33. One of the nice things about Ben Stein is that he is not set in concrete. When he wrote for the Herald-Examiner in Los Angeles, he would excoriate the Los Angeles schools mercilessly. Then one day he took a teacher’s challenge and spent some time in the classroom. His “tune” changed.

    Maybe upon reflection, he will sing another verse about the meaning of patriotism and be more inclusive.

    Agape.

    Comment by Gene — August 10, 2006 @ 8:20 pm - August 10, 2006

  34. #31: Name for me an American president, especially one who served more than 1 term, who didn’t do something in office most of us disagree with. I’ll save you some time: you can’t. As much as the left likes to dump on Bush, even more than the right did on Clinton, the ‘top’ honors for worst president still goes to Buchanan for a 1-termer and Grant for a 2-termer.

    Comment by John — August 10, 2006 @ 9:00 pm - August 10, 2006

  35. #30 North Dallas Thirty — August 10, 2006 @ 6:38 pm – August 10, 2006

    Why am I not surprised that NDXXX is someone who is enamoured of credentials in soft subjects?

    Comment by raj — August 11, 2006 @ 8:27 am - August 11, 2006

  36. Missed this, from the post

    In the meantime, American gays wail and beat their chests about how terrible it is in the USA for them at the same time they sip their lattes and dance at their favorite clubs. (emphasis added)

    Is this supposed to be self-referential?

    Comment by raj — August 11, 2006 @ 9:23 am - August 11, 2006

  37. Has anyone else noticed that since raj has been effectively distanced by the commentators here, his tone has become increasingly strident and childish?

    Wow, he is petulant. I’m still waiting for his mea culpa about Bruce not being a liar.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 11, 2006 @ 9:52 am - August 11, 2006

  38. #32: The J-o-o-s have always been convenient scapegoats. In Germany in 1933, for example.

    Comment by V the K — August 11, 2006 @ 10:23 am - August 11, 2006

  39. #37 – I don’t notice anything about rajIan, Matt, for the simple reason that it’s pretty rare for me not to skip him/her/it.

    If rajIan ever says something worthy of my noticing, responding, etc., please kindly let me know – thx.

    Comment by Calarato — August 11, 2006 @ 10:56 am - August 11, 2006

  40. #32 Calarato — August 10, 2006 @ 7:12 pm – August 10, 2006

    I haven’t followed much of this thread, but if anybody has tried to claim that the latest terror bombing plot was because of “Israel killing 1000 lebanese civilians”, then they have just made an argument stupid and ignorant beyond measure. Really….

    Is this supposed to be a “straw-person” kind of comment? In other words, “I don’t know if they have, but if they have, here’s my comment on what I don’t know if something had been said about this or that….”

    This is getting ever funnier.

    Comment by raj — August 11, 2006 @ 10:58 am - August 11, 2006

  41. #37 Michigan-Matt — August 11, 2006 @ 9:52 am – August 11, 2006

    So, let me understand this. You have assigned yourself to be the majordomo of the commenters on this web site. Am I correct?

    Regardless…..

    Comment by raj — August 11, 2006 @ 11:05 am - August 11, 2006

  42. Calarato, I will alert the world if raj/Ian comes close to offering a worthy insight.

    But for now, he isn’t worthy of debate.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 11, 2006 @ 11:06 am - August 11, 2006

  43. thank you Matt 😉

    Comment by Calarato — August 11, 2006 @ 11:33 am - August 11, 2006

  44. I will alert the world if raj/Ian comes close to offering a worthy insight.

    Also, alert me if Al Franken says something funny or Cindy Sheehan loses some weight.

    Comment by V the K — August 11, 2006 @ 11:36 am - August 11, 2006

  45. Why am I not surprised that NDXXX is someone who is enamoured of credentials in soft subjects?

    Well, considering that Ben Stein is a lawyer and professor of law, Raj, something you claim to be, doesn’t that make YOUR “credentials” soft?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 11, 2006 @ 12:12 pm - August 11, 2006

  46. Off-off-topic… but that reminds me VdaK… Senator Stabenow went into hiding at a fat farm up in the UP this week to shed some of the girth/mass/weight she’s added in the last 6 years of trough-duty feeding at the lobbyists’ free-food tables. Her handlers have polled likely Democrat voters and they don’t think she’s a good role model for our youth when she tips the scales at 400 lbs. Her weight is so big (no pun) an issue that they can’t get to policy affinity with voters.

    Her opponent, Mike Bouchard, is a trim, lean runnin’ machine and Senator StupidCow’s handlers are worried about ads pairing one against the other from the knees up.

    I think that’s a mistake. She should be worried about her voting record paralleling TeddyK, ChuckieShoo and SaintHillary. Her weight is immaterial except for the engineers that have to design the debate dias… and they’ve already offered it’s going to be a steel superstructure to support her weight.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 11, 2006 @ 12:16 pm - August 11, 2006

  47. Michigan-Matt says:

    The WOT is priority #1. We can piddle about the right of gays to serve openly in the military and have consensual sex in the barracks at a later date. The WOT comes first and if you don’t accept that, I’d say it’s quitting time for you.

    Nevertheless, there is simply no good reason that the GOP HAS to be anti-gay in order to fight the WOT. Other than it apparently helps them to win elections.

    And frankly the GOP’s stance on DADT shows that they are not serious on fighting the WOT. Not when they are kicking out Arabic translators because of their sexual orientation. And DADT itself causes bad morale and creates a security risk in the form of making some members of the military more vulnerable to blackmail than others. Tell me again how this is good for the WOT?

    BTW MM, most gay and lesbian servicemembers don’t want to get rid of DADT in order to have “consensual sex in the barracks” as you slander, they want it removed simply so that they no longer have to lie to their comrades. It bothers their “conscience”.

    But I know agonizing over a moral conflict is beyond your ability to grasp so I won’t hold your degeneracy against you this time.

    Comment by Patrick (Gryph) — August 11, 2006 @ 1:53 pm - August 11, 2006

  48. Patrick, you made some fledgling attempt at civil discourse there for a bit… but returned to your old ways with this nugget of sneering contempt for anyone who dare disagree with Patrick…

    “But I know agonizing over a moral conflict is beyond your ability to grasp so I won’t hold your degeneracy against you this time.”

    Actually Patrick, moral conflict is something I am far better off working out than you are –a self admitted atheist who doubles as a religious bigot when the sun goes down and no one is looking. Where’s the moral conflict in anything you wrote? Right. I thought so; good rhetoric but when held to account it doesn’t quite make muster, eh Patrick?

    The truth of the matter is Patrick, that you and your buds want to put military readiness and unit cohesion at risk because of your SOCIAL priorities… tell me how THAT is better for securing the country’s security? Arab translators are a dime a dozen –gay or str8. The marketplace will work and those skills will be provided when demand and supply meet. I’d rather trust the marketplace than the ability of a 20 yr old, raging hormone laden soldier to play fair with his mates when the soaps drops in the showers. (j/k, old boy)

    The Catch 22 is that those discharged from the DLI should never have been there in the first place. Never been there, Patrick. To remove them –to do the right thing– is now a basis for people like you and those in the SLDN to cry foul. How immoral is that?

    Kind of like NancyP and the Natl Democrats hoping for another terrorist attack to succeed and lots of dead bodies to fall from the skies just so they can claim Bush failed us somehow. Utterly immoral posturing.

    While we on the topic, Patrick, I’m assuming the $1.6m sought by the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network in preliminary attorney fees will be used to help those gay soldiers removed prematurely from their assignments to develop employable skills? Oh, it won’t be? Oh, I see; it’s another make money for the liberal Left legal community ala the ACLU, the enviro-terrorist, the unions, etc.

    Because right now, nearly 2/3rds of those removed since 2002 are providing arabic translation services to the military and US Govt through private firms and enjoy an average of $181,000 per year.

    Not bad for being “hauled out of their bunkbeds at night, threatened with embarassment, and pushed out of the Army” is it?

    Like many contentions on the GayLeft, Patrick, yours are dismissed with truth. It doesn’t get any more moral than that pal.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 11, 2006 @ 2:47 pm - August 11, 2006

  49. I must take a second to agree with Ben Stein that Bush is a hero. He is fulfilling his duty to protect as best as he can this country and its people. He is doing so during a period of extreme hostility to him personally and with the ongoing hatred of the “elite” of America. He has, I believe, acted based on what he believes is necessary to save lives. Hatred is what he has earned from those he has sworn to protect. George W Bush is a leader of whom I am very proud.

    Comment by david — August 11, 2006 @ 8:02 pm - August 11, 2006

  50. #30 North Dallas Thirty — August 10, 2006 @ 6:38 pm – August 10, 2006

    Perhaps it would help you if you knew a bit about Mr. Stein, in addition to his roles in entertainment: (from “benstein.com”)

    Oh, so now one is to pay much attention to the contents of a self-promotional web site? I notice that the part that you quoted conveniently neglects to mention the fact that Stein was a speechwriter for Richard “I am not a crook” Nixon, and his lackey Gerald Ford. He repeatedly denied the existence of Deep Throat and he claimed, in an issue of American Speculator (are they still running his columns?) in 2005 that Nixon was a peacemaker. Nixon? Peacemaker? ROTFL.

    Regardless, I am well aware of Stein’s CV. It’s nice that he graduated from Columbia with honors in a soft subject like economics. It’s also nice that his Yale Law School class elected him valedictorian–shows that he was a good politician even then. I suppose that it’s nice that he taught some law school classes–although, quite frankly, it doesn’t take a lot of expertise to regurgitate what courts tell you.

    So, I’ll put it again. His main claims to fame were his Murine eyedrops commercials and his stint on his Comedy Central show. And, you remind me again, why should I rely on the opinions of someone for whom those are the main claims to fame? That was the question, which, in typical fashion, you refused to answer. Another attempt at diversion by NDXXX.

    And what about yours? Oh, that’s right, you’re too afraid to publish them.

    Why should I bother? Even if I did publish them here, you wouldn’t believe them. But, then again, I haven’t done any commercials, nor did I have a stint on Comedy Central. And I certainly wasn’t a speechwriter for a crook (Nixon) or his lackey (Ford).

    Comment by raj — August 12, 2006 @ 11:00 am - August 12, 2006

  51. Michigan-Matt says:

    Actually Patrick, moral conflict is something I am far better off working out than you are –a self admitted atheist who doubles as a religious bigot when the sun goes down and no one is looking. Where’s the moral conflict in anything you wrote? Right. I thought so; good rhetoric but when held to account it doesn’t quite make muster, eh Patrick?

    Actually MM, this simple paragraph pretty much illustrates just how much of a morally depraved religious bigot you are. FYI, I’m not an atheist, and I have never said otherwise, if you think so, then prove it.

    But what so clearly illustrates your religious bigotry MM, is that you use “atheist” with the same pejorative tone that is usually reserved for something vile and ugly like “terrorist”.

    Even if I was an atheist, so what of it? What possible difference could that make? An atheist is no more or less “moral” than someone who believes in God. Ethics do not require God you know.

    You are a religious bigot MM, because you are prejudiced toward those that have no acknowledged religion. Thomas Jefferson once defended the right of someone to not believe in God, and his religious tolerance has always been a part of our nation’s history. Too bad you can’t learn from his example.

    As far as your comments about gay and lesbian service members, well, they speak for themselves. You prefer narrow ideology to truth. To you, the concept of fairness and decency has no meaning when placed in opposition to your political Party. I wonder if that is your true religion? The holy altar of the GOP upon which everything must be sacrificed? Including the honor of gay and lesbian service-members?

    I know of two young gay men, Marines. One lost both his legs in Iraq, the other will be in physical therapy for the rest of his life. Both thanks to an Iraqi road and an IED. They don’t regret their service, but I’ve watched them agonize late in the night, about having to deceive their buddies, not being able to be truly open with them, especially to those that didn’t come home.

    You see, MM, for me its not just about politics, its about people, and the right and decent way you should treat them. You make a claim that those like my two young friends were dishonorable, and smear their service and sacrifice, just in order to service your narrow idealogical interests.

    You ought to be ashamed of yourself. I doubt that you will be.

    Comment by Patrick (Gryph) — August 13, 2006 @ 11:45 am - August 13, 2006

  52. Patrick, you’ve taken us off topic to the point of sheer silliness and slander –I should have suspected reasoned debate with you was beyond your capacity, ability, interest.

    The way you practice atheism, Patrick, it IS terrorism against religion –and moral constructs and moral codes of conduct and organized faiths.

    “Christianist” indeed, Patrick. You grabbed onto to that term faster than AndieSullivan could find a bareback buddy in a gloryhole… so take whatever moral high ground you think you’ve crafted for yourself on the issue of religious bigotry and float on out to sea, ok? Anyone who has smeared Islam and Christianity in the same breath as often as you is the religious bigot, Patrick. Not me. The charge stands and sticks.

    Pulling a RAJ and trying to toss it back on my strong, square righteous shoulders will not work. But I gotta give you credit for trying, Patrick… it’s a shame you’ve elected to follow a course of inflamatory rhetoric and silly baseless charges instead of reasoned debate.

    I have a brave but broken friend –USAF 1/02-7/05– whose only “crime” was to befriend a pair of gay Naval corpsmen hitch-hicking home while he was stationed in Florida and then found himself drugged, bound, and repeatedly raped over the course of 20 hours one weekend because he didn’t submit to their “interested advances” while they were in the car. He was a state HS champ in gymnastics and these animals saw him only as a piece of meat, Patrick. Brutal, sick, sadistic, vicious, predatory monsters who are now serving time at Ft Leavenworth… but, frankly, Patrick, they deserved to do time at Portsmouth… too bad it closed prematurely.

    While you try to use your referenced Marines as victims in your little game of “moral high ground”, I’d like to remind you that I didn’t indicate they were anything but honorable –if their conduct and service was so. You tried to use them as victims of the system and in a most disgusting manner, you use their medical status to elicit support for your sick, twisted purely-political interest of subjecting the military to social engineering just because you think it is the right thing to do right now.

    Patrick, you don’t have the power to make those decisions; thank God. And the side you represent won’t get within 10,000 paces of making that decision anytime soon –as long as we continue to elect a majority of patriots and servants to Congress rather than the activist, social engineers you seem to approve.

    No Patrick, the case of your religious bigotry is closed. You are one; it’s as simple as that. You clearly don’t believe in God or an afterlife (based on your Earthly conduct) or else you wouldn’t espouse and conduct yourself the way you often cite in this blog and on your own blog site.

    You can’t call a lifelong practicing Catholic, son of Ireland and American patriot a religious bigot, Patrick. And you certainly can’t call me that given I defend the nobility of Islam and other faiths here routinely against the atheistic onslaught from the GayLeft.

    I understand why so many GayLeftists tend to hate God –hate organized religion– it’s because God and organized religion and many on the Right have the balls to tell you No. And you and your ilk don’t like it.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 13, 2006 @ 11:00 pm - August 13, 2006

  53. #19 “and now we get 10 planes almost blown out of the sky. I’m sure it had nothing to do with israel killing 1000 lebanese civilians. thanks a lot guys”

    Lester, I hope you truly ARE sure it had nothing to do with Israel killing 1000 civilians. Because it did have nothing to do with it.

    This plot was in motion for nine months to one year. Hezbollah came across the border – the U.N. sanctioned blue line that Israel did not cross – with Hezbollah killing eight soldiers and kidnapping two, approximately one month ago.
    Oh, silly me, mentioning those eight murdered soldiers! No one else does! Whatever came over me?

    But the event that triggered the Israel-Hezbollah war was one month ago. The liquid explosives plot was close to a year old.

    Comment by Michael Devereaux — August 13, 2006 @ 11:20 pm - August 13, 2006

  54. Oh, so now one is to pay much attention to the contents of a self-promotional web site?

    Of course, that comes from RajIan, whose sole credentials are the ones that he claims on this website and refuses, absolutely refuses, to document, along with his name.

    The rest of your statement is nothing more than an attempt by a coward to smear someone who clearly outshines him in education and life experience.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 15, 2006 @ 3:33 am - August 15, 2006

  55. NDXXX, it’s not only that raj/Ian refuses… he works extrahard here and at other sites to avoid detection and blocking, NDXXX.

    It’s almost pathetic to see someone so unwanted inject themselves into so many venues. I just hope he/they/it will atone.

    Speaking of multiple personalities… did I understand that GayCowBoyBob is back as Ovid’s Child? I notice the hits on his website stagnated and have not changed since Feb 2006.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 15, 2006 @ 8:48 am - August 15, 2006

  56. You can’t call a lifelong practicing Catholic, son of Ireland and American patriot a religious bigot, Patrick. And you certainly can’t call me that given I defend the nobility of Islam and other faiths here routinely against the atheistic onslaught from the GayLeft.

    I understand why so many GayLeftists tend to hate God –hate organized religion– it’s because God and organized religion and many on the Right have the balls to tell you No. And you and your ilk don’t like it.

    Given that you are prejudiced toward atheists and given that your prejudice is based on your religion, I can and most certainly do, correctly identify you as a religious bigot. Whether atheism is a religion or not, it makes no difference, because you treat it as such. If you look at any of your rants, and replaced the word “atheist” with “Mormon” there would be no difference. The core hatred of people who don’t believe as you do when it comes to God is exactly the same. Look in the mirror and face the truth, and perhaps it will set you free.

    I’m not going to bother to defend my personal beliefs about God to you, I’m not interested in prostituting my faith for the purpose of scoring points.

    Now go home and repent of thy wickedness. I’ll say a little prayer for you.

    Comment by Patrick (Gryph) — August 16, 2006 @ 11:31 am - August 16, 2006

  57. Patrick, I’ll take the “prayers” affered from an atheist. Thank you.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 17, 2006 @ 8:00 pm - August 17, 2006

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