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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/08/28/katrina-federalism/comment-page-1/#comment-20802</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VdaK, I think the Democrats --like Saddam&#039;s henchmen in Iraq-- had hoped the waters would have flushed the evidence of NO&#039;s shady, corrupt, inefficient past down the sewers... or out to sea.

Like with Saddam&#039;s rule of terror, the record and truth will be the undoing of the Democrat MSM news-doctoring.  Unfortunately, it won&#039;t happen until the historians start writing and the glorified &quot;newsreaders&quot; return to the comestic station at the MSM networks.

NO was broke long before Katrina hit.  And after the last tens of billions of federal tax dollars are finally spent there, it&#039;ll still be broken, just as corrupt and America will be no better off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VdaK, I think the Democrats &#8211;like Saddam&#8217;s henchmen in Iraq&#8211; had hoped the waters would have flushed the evidence of NO&#8217;s shady, corrupt, inefficient past down the sewers&#8230; or out to sea.</p>
<p>Like with Saddam&#8217;s rule of terror, the record and truth will be the undoing of the Democrat MSM news-doctoring.  Unfortunately, it won&#8217;t happen until the historians start writing and the glorified &#8220;newsreaders&#8221; return to the comestic station at the MSM networks.</p>
<p>NO was broke long before Katrina hit.  And after the last tens of billions of federal tax dollars are finally spent there, it&#8217;ll still be broken, just as corrupt and America will be no better off.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/08/28/katrina-federalism/comment-page-1/#comment-20803</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Doug Brinkley makes the point that New Orleans was broken long before Katrina hit:

http://sixers.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWIyZDQ1ZTY0N2UzYWEyNzZlMDQ5YzRlNGE2MGI0YzU=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Doug Brinkley makes the point that New Orleans was broken long before Katrina hit:</p>
<p><a href="http://sixers.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWIyZDQ1ZTY0N2UzYWEyNzZlMDQ5YzRlNGE2MGI0YzU" rel="nofollow">http://sixers.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWIyZDQ1ZTY0N2UzYWEyNzZlMDQ5YzRlNGE2MGI0YzU</a>=</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/08/28/katrina-federalism/comment-page-1/#comment-20804</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, expecting people to be fair and decent has always been my downfall.

Back on topic, Ace of Spades brings back another enduring image of Hurrican Katrina.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/seanpennnawlins.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, expecting people to be fair and decent has always been my downfall.</p>
<p>Back on topic, Ace of Spades brings back another enduring image of Hurrican Katrina.</p>
<p><a href="http://ace.mu.nu/archives/seanpennnawlins.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://ace.mu.nu/archives/seanpennnawlins.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/08/28/katrina-federalism/comment-page-1/#comment-20805</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VdaK, there you go gettin&#039; all &quot;moral&quot; with us and &#039;xpecting people to be fair... I think the sockpuppets were just pointing out that when their side lies, it&#039;s ok.  They&#039;re just doing the Peoples&#039; Business.

When someone on the other side operates on the basis of faulty information, the sockpuppets can scream &quot;liar&quot;.  Well, if it was PatrickGryph it would be &quot;liar, liar pants on fire&quot; --but you get the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VdaK, there you go gettin&#8217; all &#8220;moral&#8221; with us and &#8216;xpecting people to be fair&#8230; I think the sockpuppets were just pointing out that when their side lies, it&#8217;s ok.  They&#8217;re just doing the Peoples&#8217; Business.</p>
<p>When someone on the other side operates on the basis of faulty information, the sockpuppets can scream &#8220;liar&#8221;.  Well, if it was PatrickGryph it would be &#8220;liar, liar pants on fire&#8221; &#8211;but you get the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/08/28/katrina-federalism/comment-page-1/#comment-20806</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#34: Hm, you&#039;d think someone in the legal profession would have a problem with a president who commits perjury and obstruction of justice. But, hey, if it&#039;s all right for lawyers to let other lawyers discriminate against gay clients, it must be all right for lawyers to let other lawyers commit perjury and obstruction of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#34: Hm, you&#8217;d think someone in the legal profession would have a problem with a president who commits perjury and obstruction of justice. But, hey, if it&#8217;s all right for lawyers to let other lawyers discriminate against gay clients, it must be all right for lawyers to let other lawyers commit perjury and obstruction of justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/08/28/katrina-federalism/comment-page-1/#comment-20807</link>
		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raj/Ian/blah --what part of &quot;you are not worthy of debate&quot; didn&#039;t you get the last time?  Atone, sockpuppets.

Why it is so bloody hard for you to admit you were wrong in calling the hosts liars... I know you&#039;ll feel better if you just atone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raj/Ian/blah &#8211;what part of &#8220;you are not worthy of debate&#8221; didn&#8217;t you get the last time?  Atone, sockpuppets.</p>
<p>Why it is so bloody hard for you to admit you were wrong in calling the hosts liars&#8230; I know you&#8217;ll feel better if you just atone.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But of course, puppet RajIan, you ignore and spin past the fact that Clinton lied under oath and deliberately obstructed a grand jury.

If Clinton&#039;s story had only been about an affair, you might have a point. But unfortunately for leftist liars such as yourself, not only did he have an affair, he lied about it deliberately and repeatedly -- both in public and private testimony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of course, puppet RajIan, you ignore and spin past the fact that Clinton lied under oath and deliberately obstructed a grand jury.</p>
<p>If Clinton&#8217;s story had only been about an affair, you might have a point. But unfortunately for leftist liars such as yourself, not only did he have an affair, he lied about it deliberately and repeatedly &#8212; both in public and private testimony.</p>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#20 Michigan-Matt &#8212; August 29, 2006 @ 6:51 am - August 29, 2006

&lt;i&gt;I don&#8217;t know, he (Nixon) WASN&#8217;T impeached like your crooked land speculating President Slick Willy who WAS IMPEACHED and used the White House as a bachelor pad to lure big-haired women his daughter&#8217;s age into performing hooker services for him.&lt;/i&gt;

No, Nixon wasn&#039;t impeached, because responsible Republicans from Capitol Hill marched up to the WH and told him that if he didn&#039;t resign he &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be impeached, and, not only that, he would be convicted and removed from office.  So Nixon, ever the party man, chose to resign rather than be impeached and convicted and removed from office.

Unlike you, some of us actually do know something about history.

Your continual blathering about Clinton is becoming a tiresome farce.  The supposed land deal, which was speculated upon by the Scaife-supported American Speculator and (shudder!) the NYTimes.  You know, the NYtimes, the part of the MSM that you MightyRighties love to villify, unless they agree with you &lt;i&gt;of course&lt;/i&gt;.  Your lapdog prosecutors didn&#039;t find anything there regarding the Clintons, did they?  No, they didn&#039;t.

What your lapdog Republican prosecutors--primarily Ken Starr, who was going to become--get this--dean of the law school at the far right-wing Pepperdine college in California--did find was a bit of hanky-panky going on, between two consenting adults.  I read Ken Star&#039;s soft-core porn novel when it was first released on the Internet in 1998, and was literally rolling on the floor laughing.

And, what was even more amusing, after Starr produced his soft-core porn novel (no allegations regarding Whitewater, Travelgate, Vince Foster, or anything else in the novel), the Republicans in the House who were leading the anti-Clinton impeachment efforts were--get this--Henry Hyde (you know, the Republican rep from IL who, at the ripe old age of 39, had a &quot;juvenile indiscretion&quot; that broke up a marriage), Helen Chenowith (you know, the Republican rep from Idaho who also broke up a marriage), Newt Gingrich (you know, the Republican speaker of the House, who had been through how many marriages?), Bob Barr (you know, the three-time loser in the marriage race, who was the primary sponsor of the Defense of Marriage Act) and, most interesting, Robert Livingston, the designated heir of Gingrich&#039;s post as speaker of the House, who resigned in ignominy for reasons that have not yet come to light.

That&#039;s only a short list of the number of Republicans who were tainted by Ken Starr&#039;s soft-core porn novel.  I understand that you really don&#039;t want to address the issues relating to Star&#039;s soft-core porn novel, so, let&#039;s just say that you&#039;ve been had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20 Michigan-Matt &#8212; August 29, 2006 @ 6:51 am &#8211; August 29, 2006</p>
<p><i>I don&#8217;t know, he (Nixon) WASN&#8217;T impeached like your crooked land speculating President Slick Willy who WAS IMPEACHED and used the White House as a bachelor pad to lure big-haired women his daughter&#8217;s age into performing hooker services for him.</i></p>
<p>No, Nixon wasn&#8217;t impeached, because responsible Republicans from Capitol Hill marched up to the WH and told him that if he didn&#8217;t resign he <i>would</i> be impeached, and, not only that, he would be convicted and removed from office.  So Nixon, ever the party man, chose to resign rather than be impeached and convicted and removed from office.</p>
<p>Unlike you, some of us actually do know something about history.</p>
<p>Your continual blathering about Clinton is becoming a tiresome farce.  The supposed land deal, which was speculated upon by the Scaife-supported American Speculator and (shudder!) the NYTimes.  You know, the NYtimes, the part of the MSM that you MightyRighties love to villify, unless they agree with you <i>of course</i>.  Your lapdog prosecutors didn&#8217;t find anything there regarding the Clintons, did they?  No, they didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>What your lapdog Republican prosecutors&#8211;primarily Ken Starr, who was going to become&#8211;get this&#8211;dean of the law school at the far right-wing Pepperdine college in California&#8211;did find was a bit of hanky-panky going on, between two consenting adults.  I read Ken Star&#8217;s soft-core porn novel when it was first released on the Internet in 1998, and was literally rolling on the floor laughing.</p>
<p>And, what was even more amusing, after Starr produced his soft-core porn novel (no allegations regarding Whitewater, Travelgate, Vince Foster, or anything else in the novel), the Republicans in the House who were leading the anti-Clinton impeachment efforts were&#8211;get this&#8211;Henry Hyde (you know, the Republican rep from IL who, at the ripe old age of 39, had a &#8220;juvenile indiscretion&#8221; that broke up a marriage), Helen Chenowith (you know, the Republican rep from Idaho who also broke up a marriage), Newt Gingrich (you know, the Republican speaker of the House, who had been through how many marriages?), Bob Barr (you know, the three-time loser in the marriage race, who was the primary sponsor of the Defense of Marriage Act) and, most interesting, Robert Livingston, the designated heir of Gingrich&#8217;s post as speaker of the House, who resigned in ignominy for reasons that have not yet come to light.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s only a short list of the number of Republicans who were tainted by Ken Starr&#8217;s soft-core porn novel.  I understand that you really don&#8217;t want to address the issues relating to Star&#8217;s soft-core porn novel, so, let&#8217;s just say that you&#8217;ve been had.</p>
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		<title>By: VinceTN</title>
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		<dc:creator>VinceTN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  That was just blistering, keogh!  If FEMA is supposed to do everything then we can just shut down all local and state government and let Czar Bush decide how everything will run.  If the Fed has to clean it all up then the Fed should have a significant say in how things are run in the first place.  If the Mayors and Governors &quot;just work here&quot; then let the Feds appoint the people they deem fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  That was just blistering, keogh!  If FEMA is supposed to do everything then we can just shut down all local and state government and let Czar Bush decide how everything will run.  If the Fed has to clean it all up then the Fed should have a significant say in how things are run in the first place.  If the Mayors and Governors &#8220;just work here&#8221; then let the Feds appoint the people they deem fit.</p>
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		<title>By: keogh</title>
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		<dc:creator>keogh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You “blame the media” folks are getting more and more shrill as you try to yell over each other.
Everyone knows the slant of NYT in the run up to Iraq II.
Or the soft ball questions Bush II got for about 2-3 years after 9-11
This same discussion could probably be found over at the Daily Kos as they complain of bias.
I have an idea try to take off your GOP partisan hack hat and look at what is happening….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You “blame the media” folks are getting more and more shrill as you try to yell over each other.<br />
Everyone knows the slant of NYT in the run up to Iraq II.<br />
Or the soft ball questions Bush II got for about 2-3 years after 9-11<br />
This same discussion could probably be found over at the Daily Kos as they complain of bias.<br />
I have an idea try to take off your GOP partisan hack hat and look at what is happening….</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(P.S. And yes, it is chiefly Congress&#039; and Bush&#039;s fault and not the media&#039;s, because Congress and Bush did the financial deed and really ought to stand up to pressure from the insane, more aggressively.  But that&#039;s a larger issue for another time.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(P.S. And yes, it is chiefly Congress&#8217; and Bush&#8217;s fault and not the media&#8217;s, because Congress and Bush did the financial deed and really ought to stand up to pressure from the insane, more aggressively.  But that&#8217;s a larger issue for another time.)</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Showing that biased media coverage costs real dollars, V.

If Katrina had been reported sanely and seen in a reasonable perspective, Congress wouldn&#039;t be under such a need to overcompensate - so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Showing that biased media coverage costs real dollars, V.</p>
<p>If Katrina had been reported sanely and seen in a reasonable perspective, Congress wouldn&#8217;t be under such a need to overcompensate &#8211; so to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the WSJ, Bush and Congress have spent $112.5x10^9 on Hurricane Katrina, which works out to $252,000 per New Orleans resident (pre-Katrina). WTF, mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the WSJ, Bush and Congress have spent $112.5&#215;10^9 on Hurricane Katrina, which works out to $252,000 per New Orleans resident (pre-Katrina). WTF, mate.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And - he&#039;s back.

LOL :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And &#8211; he&#8217;s back.</p>
<p>LOL <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Patrick (Gryph)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick (Gryph)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;By the way, Gryph - If your comments about Bruce are true, then why would you continually keep crawling back to his blog? But, this time, at least you didn’t go with playground-style insults. Thank you!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

*Whatever*  Up your nose with a rubber hose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>By the way, Gryph &#8211; If your comments about Bruce are true, then why would you continually keep crawling back to his blog? But, this time, at least you didn’t go with playground-style insults. Thank you!</em></p></blockquote>
<p>*Whatever*  Up your nose with a rubber hose.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gryph, my only point was that those who demand accountability from the media should not be derided as &quot;whiners&quot; or summarily dismissed as is the wont of the media elite.

I don&#039;t want the Government holding the media accountable, I trust the market. And the fact of the matter, at least for now, is that media consolidation has so far led to a much broader range and availability of opinion and fact-checking than prevailed in the bad old days of the Fairness Doctrine and the Big Three Networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gryph, my only point was that those who demand accountability from the media should not be derided as &#8220;whiners&#8221; or summarily dismissed as is the wont of the media elite.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want the Government holding the media accountable, I trust the market. And the fact of the matter, at least for now, is that media consolidation has so far led to a much broader range and availability of opinion and fact-checking than prevailed in the bad old days of the Fairness Doctrine and the Big Three Networks.</p>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
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		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#110 Michigan-Matt &#8212; August 29, 2006 @ 8:21 am - August 29, 2006

&lt;i&gt;For the record &#8211;and Bruce is a &lt;b&gt;big boy&lt;/b&gt;...&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, so now you are going to vouch for his Body Mass Index (BMI)?

At some point, the MightyRighties become MightyRidiculous.

Matty, you&#039;re the one who is not worth debating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#110 Michigan-Matt &#8212; August 29, 2006 @ 8:21 am &#8211; August 29, 2006</p>
<p><i>For the record &#8211;and Bruce is a <b>big boy</b>&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Oh, so now you are going to vouch for his Body Mass Index (BMI)?</p>
<p>At some point, the MightyRighties become MightyRidiculous.</p>
<p>Matty, you&#8217;re the one who is not worth debating.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So why should I trust the vaunted “blogosphere” for fact checking any more (or less) than mass media?&quot;

You shouldn&#039;t trust any one source.  You should think for yourself.

The blogosphere enables that by providing points of information and expertise from disparate sources that the MSM won&#039;t or can&#039;t.  Obviously.

By the way, Gryph - If your comments about Bruce are true, then why would you continually keep crawling back to his blog?  But, this time, at least you didn&#039;t go with playground-style insults.  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So why should I trust the vaunted “blogosphere” for fact checking any more (or less) than mass media?&#8221;</p>
<p>You shouldn&#8217;t trust any one source.  You should think for yourself.</p>
<p>The blogosphere enables that by providing points of information and expertise from disparate sources that the MSM won&#8217;t or can&#8217;t.  Obviously.</p>
<p>By the way, Gryph &#8211; If your comments about Bruce are true, then why would you continually keep crawling back to his blog?  But, this time, at least you didn&#8217;t go with playground-style insults.  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick (Gryph)</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/08/28/katrina-federalism/comment-page-1/#comment-20820</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick (Gryph)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Gryph’s implication that the only defense against dishonest media is to not buy their product is insufficient to me. If that were all we had, we would never have found out Dan Rather’s TANG memos were frauds, nor would we have found out Reuters was letting Hizbullah stage photo shoots for propaganda purposes, nor would we know when a Middle-East “expert” quoted by the NYT or the WaPo was in fact a member of a radical jihad group.

On topic, who would have taken the media to task for exaggerrating the number of Katrina deaths or the conditions in the Superdome? No one, if the only form of criticism available to us was to not watch their product.
&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


I don&#039;t think we actually disagree that much, my point is that policing the media is the job of the viewer.  There simply isn&#039;t anyone else to do it, unless you want the government to take a hand, and while that is what they are doing in Russia, I don&#039;t think its a good idea to implement here.

As far as the blogosphere goes, it only adds two things to the mix, immediate response and an easy way to publish. But its no more reliable in fact-checking than anyone else.  And in fact its just as capable as the MSM of making errors and being biased in its reporting.

This is illustrated clearly in Bruce&#039;s previous post on Katrina, where he erroneously claims that:

  &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;More white people died in Katrina than any other ethnic group.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When in fact &lt;strong&gt;even his own linked reference says exactly the opposite.&lt;/strong&gt; He fails to correct his post, even when its errors are brought to his attention.

Most likely because the over-riding theme of almost every post he has ever made is that GOP=Good, Democrats= Evil. If facts don&#039;t fit that narrative, he adjusts them until they do.

So why should I trust the vaunted &quot;blogosphere&quot; for fact checking any more (or less) than mass media?  I don&#039;t, and with good reason.

The blogosphere commits every error and sin of the mass market media and then invents some of its own.  The overall &quot;truth&quot; of its reporting is exactly the same, and in many, many ways worse, than traditional forms of media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>Gryph’s implication that the only defense against dishonest media is to not buy their product is insufficient to me. If that were all we had, we would never have found out Dan Rather’s TANG memos were frauds, nor would we have found out Reuters was letting Hizbullah stage photo shoots for propaganda purposes, nor would we know when a Middle-East “expert” quoted by the NYT or the WaPo was in fact a member of a radical jihad group.</p>
<p>On topic, who would have taken the media to task for exaggerrating the number of Katrina deaths or the conditions in the Superdome? No one, if the only form of criticism available to us was to not watch their product.<br />
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<p>I don&#8217;t think we actually disagree that much, my point is that policing the media is the job of the viewer.  There simply isn&#8217;t anyone else to do it, unless you want the government to take a hand, and while that is what they are doing in Russia, I don&#8217;t think its a good idea to implement here.</p>
<p>As far as the blogosphere goes, it only adds two things to the mix, immediate response and an easy way to publish. But its no more reliable in fact-checking than anyone else.  And in fact its just as capable as the MSM of making errors and being biased in its reporting.</p>
<p>This is illustrated clearly in Bruce&#8217;s previous post on Katrina, where he erroneously claims that:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>More white people died in Katrina than any other ethnic group.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>When in fact <strong>even his own linked reference says exactly the opposite.</strong> He fails to correct his post, even when its errors are brought to his attention.</p>
<p>Most likely because the over-riding theme of almost every post he has ever made is that GOP=Good, Democrats= Evil. If facts don&#8217;t fit that narrative, he adjusts them until they do.</p>
<p>So why should I trust the vaunted &#8220;blogosphere&#8221; for fact checking any more (or less) than mass media?  I don&#8217;t, and with good reason.</p>
<p>The blogosphere commits every error and sin of the mass market media and then invents some of its own.  The overall &#8220;truth&#8221; of its reporting is exactly the same, and in many, many ways worse, than traditional forms of media.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/08/28/katrina-federalism/comment-page-1/#comment-20821</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gryph&#039;s implication that the only defense against dishonest media is to not buy their product is insufficient to me. If that were all we had, we would never have found out Dan Rather&#039;s TANG memos were frauds, nor would we have found out Reuters was letting Hizbullah stage photo shoots for propaganda purposes, nor would we know when a Middle-East &quot;expert&quot; quoted by the NYT or the WaPo was in fact a member of a radical jihad group.

On topic, who would have taken the media to task for exaggerrating the number of Katrina deaths or the conditions in the Superdome? No one, if the only form of criticism available to us was to not watch their product.

The media should be fact-checked and the blogosphere is the best tool yet developed for doing that. I know this puts the noses of elite journalists out of joint, but it&#039;s true. The internet connects people in almost every area of expertise, many of whom are knowledgeable if not telegenic.

And when the media&#039;s lies, biases, and distortions are uncovered, those who did so should be thanked for providing a public services, not derided and insulted by the blue-noses in the MSM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gryph&#8217;s implication that the only defense against dishonest media is to not buy their product is insufficient to me. If that were all we had, we would never have found out Dan Rather&#8217;s TANG memos were frauds, nor would we have found out Reuters was letting Hizbullah stage photo shoots for propaganda purposes, nor would we know when a Middle-East &#8220;expert&#8221; quoted by the NYT or the WaPo was in fact a member of a radical jihad group.</p>
<p>On topic, who would have taken the media to task for exaggerrating the number of Katrina deaths or the conditions in the Superdome? No one, if the only form of criticism available to us was to not watch their product.</p>
<p>The media should be fact-checked and the blogosphere is the best tool yet developed for doing that. I know this puts the noses of elite journalists out of joint, but it&#8217;s true. The internet connects people in almost every area of expertise, many of whom are knowledgeable if not telegenic.</p>
<p>And when the media&#8217;s lies, biases, and distortions are uncovered, those who did so should be thanked for providing a public services, not derided and insulted by the blue-noses in the MSM.</p>
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