Our in-denial friends on the Left have been trying to convince themselves that the 9/11 attacks were “America’s fault.” It is summed up pretty well in this recent comment by one of the Clansmen of the Lower Cases. (Interesting how he only capitalizes the word “I”. Hmmm.)
I think you and i have differing inpretations of 9/11. my guess is you think they hate us for our freedoms or because we aren’t muslims. I think it was a response to our presence in saudi arabia, our one sided support for the israelis and the subsequent support of corrupt dictatorships who are neutral towards israel because we pay them to be.
Oh really? Well, perhaps one should only ask the Islamists themselves for their thoughts on the subject… (Some of the quotes sound familiar… Harry Reid, John Murtha, Ted Kennedy)
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The Terrorists On September 11
Osama Bin Laden: The 9/11 Attacks Were “An Unparalleled And Magnificent Feat Of Valor, Unmatched By Any In Humankind.” BIN LADEN: “On the blessed Tuesday 11 September 2001 … they launched their attacks with their planes in an unparalleled and magnificent feat of valor, unmatched by any in humankind before them. … Yet with the destruction of the Twin Towers in New York, there occurred an even bigger destruction: that of the great American Dream and legend of Democracy.” (Translation Of Purported Bin Laden Audio Message, Posted On Islamist Site, 2/14/03)
The Terrorists On Their Belief That America Is Weak
Osama Bin Laden: America’s “Combat Strategy Is Heavily Dependent On The Psychological Aspect Of War … Which Hides The Cowardice And Lack Of Fighting Spirit Of The American Soldier.” BIN LADEN: “It has been made clear during our defending and fighting against the American enemy that this enemy’s combat strategy is heavily dependent on the psychological aspect of war due to its large and efficient media apparatus and of course its indiscriminate aerial bombing which hides the cowardice and lack of fighting spirit of the American soldier. … Likewise, let me remind you of the defeat of the American forces in Beirut in 1982, soon after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, when the Lebanese resistance was personified by the truck laden with explosives that struck the main military base of the US Marines in Beirut, killing 242 soldiers – towards Hell was their destination and what an evil destination that is.” (Translation Of Purported Bin Laden Audio Message, Posted On Islamist Site, 2/14/03)
* Bin Laden: “In Somalia … The United States [Pulled] Out, Trailing Disappointment, Defeat, And Failure Behind It.” BIN LADEN: “We found that out from our brothers who fought the Americans in Somalia. They did not see it as a power worthy of any mention. It was the big propaganda that the United State used to terrify people before fighting them. Our brothers, who were here in Afghanistan, also tried the Americans. God gave them and the mujahidin success in Somalia and the United States pull out, trailing disappointment, defeat, and failure behind it. It achieved nothing. It left quicker than people had imagined.” (Full Text Of Interview With Al-Qaeda Leader Osama Bin Laden, 10/21/01)
Ayman al-Zawahiri: “There Is No Hope In Victory.” ZAWAHIRI: “This is the fumbling that precedes the defeat. Bush and Blair are hiding the true disaster they are facing in Iraq and Afghanistan. They know better than others that there is no hope in victory. The Vietnam specter is closing every outlet.” (Al-Qaeda’s Al-Zawahiri Predicts Failure of US ‘Crusade’ Against Muslim States, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/7/05)
The Terrorists On Their Absolute Hostility Towards America
Hezbollah Leader Nasrallah: “Death To America.” NASRALLAH: “Let the entire world hear me. Our hostility to the Great Satan is absolute. … I conclude my speech with the slogan that will continue to reverberate on all occasions so that nobody will think that we have weakened. Regardless of how the world has changed after 11 September, Death to America will remain our reverberating and powerful slogan: Death to America.” (Hezbollah Leader Nasrallah Supports Intifadah, Vows ‘Death to America,’ Aired On Beirut Al-Manar Television, 9/27/02)
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: “We Will Soon Experience A World Without The United States And Zionism.” AHMADINEJAD: “Undoubtedly, I say that this slogan and goal is achievable, and with the support and power of God, we will soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism and will breathe in the brilliant time of Islamic sovereignty over today’s world.” (Iran’s President Warns Muslims Of ‘Conspiracies Of World Imperialism,’ Available At: www.sharifnews.com, Accessed 10/26/05)
* President Ahmadinejad: “Your Doomed Destiny Will Be Annihilation, Misfortune And Abjectness.” AHMADINEJAD: “Open your eyes and see the fate of Pharaoh. … Open your eyes and see what happened to the Portuguese Empire. See the final fate of the British Empire. … I am telling you [major powers], if you do not abandon the path of falsehood and return to the path of justice, your doomed destiny will be annihilation, misfortune and abjectness.” (President Ahmadinejad Says Iran To Respond To Nuclear Proposals By ‘End Of Mordad,’ Aired On Islamic Republic Of Iran News Network Television (IRINN), 6/21/06)
* President Ahmadinejad: “If You Would Like To Have Good Relations With The Iranian Nation … Bow Down Before The Greatness Of The Iranian Nation And Surrender.” AHMADINEJAD: “And you, for your part, if you would like to have good relations with the Iranian nation in the future, recognize the Iranian nation’s right. Recognize the Iranian nation’s greatness. And bow down before the greatness of the Iranian nation and surrender. If you don’t accept [to do this], the Iranian nation will later force you to surrender and bow down.” (Iran: Ahmadinejad Says US, UK ‘Resorted To Tricks’ ‘To Postpone’ Cease-Fire, Aired On Tehran Islamic Republic Of Iran News Network Television (IRINN), 8/15/06)
Oh, there’s much more… read the whole thing!
The Terrorists On Killing Infidels
Osama Bin Laden: “Death Is Better Than Living On This Earth With The Unbelievers Amongst Us.” BIN LADEN: “O young people of Islam: Follow the orders of Almighty God and His messenger and kill those people. Follow the example of Muhammad Bin-Musallamah and his companions. Death is better than living on this earth with the unbelievers amongst us, making a mockery of our religion and prophet, God’s peace and blessings upon him. Fear God, try to please Him, and do not consult with anyone regarding the killing of those unbelievers.” (Translation Of Bin Laden’s 52-Minute Audiotape, Posted On Jihadist Website, 4/27/06)
Al-Qaeda Charter: “There Will Be Continuing Enmity Until Everyone Believes In Allah. We Will Not Meet [The Enemy] Halfway And There Will Be No Room For Dialogue With Them.” (Al Qaeda Charter, Released By The White House Press Office, 9/5/06)
Al-Qaeda Training Manual: “Religious Scholars Have Permitted Beating … [And] The Killing Of A Hostage.” “Guidelines for Beating and Killing Hostages: Religious scholars have permitted beating. … In this tradition, we find permission to interrogate the hostage for the purpose of obtaining information. It is permitted to strike the nonbeliever who has no covenant until he reveals the news, information, and secrets of his people. The religious scholars have also permitted the killing of a hostage if he insists on withholding information from Moslems.” (Al-Qaeda Training Manual, Available At: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/terrorism/alqaida_manual/, Accessed 9/5/06)
* Al-Qaeda Training Manual: “The Confrontation That Islam Calls For … Knows The Dialogue Of Bullets, The Ideals Of Assassination, Bombing, And Destruction.” “Islam does not coincide or make a truce with unbelief, but rather confronts it. The confrontation that Islam calls for with these godless and apostate regimes, does not know Socratic debates, Platonic ideals nor Aristotelian diplomacy. But it knows the dialogue of bullets, the ideals of assassination, bombing, and destruction, and the diplomacy of the cannon and machine-gun.” (Al-Qaeda Training Manual, Available At: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/terrorism/alqaida_manual/, Accessed 9/5/06)
Al Anbar Plan: The Al-Qaeda Governing Structure Should Include An “Execution Unit” Responsible For “Sorting Out, Arrest, Murder, And Destruction.” (Al Anbar Plan, Released By The White House Press Office, 9/5/06)
The Terrorists On Their “Bleed-Until-Bankruptcy-Plan”
Osama Bin Laden: “So We Are Continuing This Policy In Bleeding America To The Point Of Bankruptcy.” (‘Full Transcript’ Of Bin Laden’s Message, Posted On Al-Jazirah Site, 11/1/04)
* Bin Laden: In The Attacks Of 9/11, “Every Dollar Of Al-Qaida Defeated A Million Dollars By The Permission Of Allah, Besides The Loss Of A Huge Number Of Jobs.” BIN LADEN: “And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal Institute of International Affairs. (When they pointed out that) for example, al-Qaida spent $500,000 on the event, while America, in the incident and its aftermath, lost – according to the lowest estimate – more than 500 billion dollars. Meaning that every dollar of al-Qaida defeated a million dollars by the permission of Allah, besides the loss of a huge number of jobs.” (‘Full Transcript’ Of Bin Laden’s Message, Posted On Al-Jazirah Site, 11/1/04)
* Bin Laden: “It Is Very Easy To Target [America’s] Flimsy Base And … We Will Be Able Crush And Destroy Them.” BIN LADEN: “In conclusion, America is definitely a great power, with an unbelievable military strength and a vibrant economy, but all of these have been built on a very weak and hollow foundation. Therefore, it is very easy to target that flimsy base and concentrate on their weak points and even if we are able to target one tenth of these weak points, we will be able [to] crush and destroy them and remove them from ruling and conquering the World.” (Translation Of Purported Bin Laden Audio Message, Posted On Islamist Site, 2/14/03)
The Terrorists On Their Propaganda Strategy
Osama Bin Laden: Al-Qaeda Intends To Launch “A Media Campaign … To Create A Wedge Between The American People And Their Government.” (Letter From Osama Bin Laden To Mullah Omar, Released By The White House Press Office, 9/5/06)
* Bin Laden: This Media Campaign Will Stress “That [The American] Government Would Bring Them More Losses, In Finances And In Casualties.” (Letter From Osama Bin Laden To Mullah Omar, Released By The White House Press Office, 9/5/06)
* Bin Laden: “[The American People] Are Being Sacrificed To Serve The Big Investors, Especially The Jews.” (Letter From Osama Bin Laden To Mullah Omar, Released By The White House Press Office, 9/5/06)
* Bin Laden: The Media Campaign “Aims At Creating Pressure From The American People On The American Government To Stop Their Campaign Against Afghanistan.” (Letter From Osama Bin Laden To Mullah Omar, Released By The White House Press Office, 9/5/06)
The Terrorists On The Importance Of Iraq
Osama Bin Laden: Baghdad Is “The Capital Of The Caliphate.” (Text Of Bin Laden’s Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)
* Bin Laden: “The Most Important And Serious Issue Today For The Whole World Is This Third World War … Raging In [Iraq].” BIN LADEN: “I now address my speech to the whole of the Islamic nation: Listen and understand. The issue is big and the misfortune is momentous. The most important and serious issue today for the whole world is this Third World War, which the Crusader-Zionist coalition began against the Islamic nation. It is raging in the land of the two rivers. The world’s millstone and pillar is in Baghdad, the capital of the caliphate.” (Text Of Bin Laden’s Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)
* Bin Laden: “This Is A War Of Destiny Between Infidelity And Islam.” (Text Of Bin Laden’s Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)
* Bin Laden: “The Whole World Is Watching This War And The Two Adversaries; The Islamic Nation, On The One Hand, And The United States And Its Allies On The Other. It Is Either Victory And Glory Or Misery And Humiliation.” (Text Of Bin Laden’s Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)
Ayman al-Zawahiri: We Must “Establish An Islamic Authority … Over As Much Territory As You Can To Spread Its Power In Iraq … [And] Extend The Jihad Wave To The Secular Countries Neighboring Iraq.” ZAWAHIRI: “So we must think for a long time about our next steps and how we want to attain it, and it is my humble opinion that the Jihad in Iraq requires several incremental goals: The first stage: Expel the Americans from Iraq. The second stage: Establish an Islamic authority or amirate, then develop it and support it until it achieves the level of a caliphate – over as much territory as you can to spread its power in Iraq … The third stage: Extend the jihad wave to the secular countries neighboring Iraq. The fourth stage: It may coincide with what came before: the clash with Israel, because Israel was established only to challenge any new Islamic entity.” (Complete Text Of Al-Zawahiri Letter To Al-Zarqawi, 7/9/05, Available At: http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20051011_release.htm, Accessed 9/5/06)
Bin Laden: “The War Is For You Or For Us To Win. If We Win It, It Means Your Defeat And Disgrace Forever.” BIN LADEN: “Finally, I would like to tell you that the war is for you or for us to win. If we win it, it means your defeat and disgrace forever as the wind blows in this direction with God’s help.” (Bin Laden Threatens New Operations, Offers ‘Long-Term Truce,’ Posted On Al-Jazirah Net, 1/19/06)
The Terrorists On Establishing A Caliphate Ruled By Their Hateful Ideology
Osama Bin Laden: The 9/11 Attacks Were “A Great Step Towards The Unity Of Muslims And Establishing The Righteous [Caliphate].” BIN LADEN: “These attacks took off the skin of the American wolf and they have been left standing in their filthy, naked reality. Thus the whole World awoke from its sleep and the Muslims realized the importance of the belief of loving and hating for the sake of Allah; the ties of brotherhood between the Muslims have become stronger, which is a very good sign and a great step towards the unity of Muslims and establishing the Righteous Islamic Khilafah insha-Allah.” (Translation Of Purported Bin Laden Audio Message, Posted On Islamist Site, 2/14/03)
Ayman al-Zawahiri: “The Whole World Is An Open Field For Us.” ZAWAHIRI: “The war with Israel is not about a treaty, a cease-fire agreement, Sykes-Picot borders, national zeal, or disputed borders. It is rather a jihad for the sake of God until the religion of God is established. It is jihad for the liberation of Palestine, all Palestine, as well as every land that was a home for Islam, from Andalusia to Iraq. The whole world is an open field for us.” (Al-Zawahiri’s ‘Full’ Message On War In Lebanon, Gaza Strip, Posted On Jihadist Website, 7/28/06)
* Zawahiri: “The Reinstatement Of Islamic Rule … Is The Individual Duty Of Every Muslim … With Every Land Occupied By Infidels.” ZAWAHIRI: “Supporting the jihad in Palestine with one’s life, money, and opinion is the individual duty of every Muslim because Palestine was a land of Islam that was occupied by the infidels. This means that its liberation and the reinstatement of Islamic rule there is the individual duty of every Muslim as unanimously decided by the nation’s scholars. And such is the case with every land occupied by infidels.” (Al-Zawahiri’s June Video Message Supporting Palestinians, Posted On Jihadist Site, 6/11/06)
It really says it all, doesn’t it?
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
I hadn’t bothered earlier to look at the raving statements of OBL or others because I know evil when I encounter it… but thanks for putting it out here, Bruce.
They sure do sound like the cut&run Democrats and echo many of the comments by the lower-case-clan here. Maybe they’re all getting their TalkingPoints from the DailyKos, DailyShow, AirAmerica, BillMather-Moyers, BorgActive or DemocratsUnderground?
Chilling stuff. And the Left complains about GeoBush’s cowboy rhetoric of DeadOrAlive? Yeow.
#0 – Bruce, the very first link doesn’t seem to work for me. (May be missing an article name?)
Is there a source for the whole list of material? or did you write it? It’s nifty.
As a statement of their intentions, I think Nasrallah’s “Death to America” is pretty unambiguous.
In the material below the fold… I noticed Zawahiri’s reference to reconquering Andalusia, i.e., ex-Muslim Spain. I’m not going to research the quotes right now, but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen more along those lines.
P.S. Since I’m highlighting Spain… There has been some misunderstanding of the “truce” they supposedly offered Spain after the Madrid attacks and Spain’s withdrawal from Iraq.
Islam has a strong concept / tradition of a tactical truce, i.e., “give infidel A a breather while we take one ourselves, and/or fight infidel B; we’ll come back to A soon enough.” I’ve been told that if you analyze the un-translated language of their offer to Spain, that’s what it is.
What a charmer, huh?
OBL: in his own words…
‘The American Government and press still refuses to answer the question:
Why did they attack us in New York and Washington?
(Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?
(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.
(2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.
(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s, and trading with interest.
You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants
you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention. ”
The Full insanity: bin Laden’s ‘letter to America’
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html
Well, OBL lost Vera when he demanded she wear a burka (Vera would sooner be caught in polka dotted kool-lots with sandals, first!) in his call to Insanity, er, Islam.
As for the ‘intoxicants’ OBL mentions?
You can have Vera’s martini glass when you pry it from her cold – dead hand.
Vera is issuing a fatwa on OBL: Beware the hatpins – you bearded bastard!
Oh, and Cheers!
Yes that is some hate filled puke, it appears the terrorists have mastered inflammatory rhetoric.
However,
Terrorists have also said that the US should be out of Saudi Arabia.
They also have also said our support for Israel will be the death of us.
You give more credence to their “philosophical” rantings.
The other person gives more to their recruiting videos.
So you both are right, unless you want to split hairs.
And it seems like you went through a lot of trouble just to split one hair…
keogh-of-the-lower-case-clan, I’m trying to sort out how your positions about US troops in the MiddleEast and support of Israel differs from OBL’s invectives. For the life of me, I see no difference in your past commentaries or rants.
Could it be that all of your practiced equivalency and rationalization has brought you to OBL’s philosophical door stoop? Kind of like offering American judicial safeguards to worldwide terrorists when those safeguards ought be reserved for American citizens? Hmmm.
Nobody gives “credence” or credibility to OBL’s rantings like the cut&run Democrats who would hazard our Nation’s security all in the lust to satisfy their partisan greed for office. In fact, it sometimes seems that the GayLeft is almost encouraging the terrorists and providing sanctuary if needed to their terrorist brothers-in-arms.
The only hair that might get spilt will be yours… when that terrorist bomb next goes off and you survive to whine about “Why didn’t the govt do something to save us?”
Matt, you hit it right on the nose.
Osama bin Laden is rationalizing what he does, not giving reasons for why he does it.
If it isn’t Saudi Arabia or Israel, it’s been some other reason. Keep in mind that the Clinton administration bowed to every demand terrorists made — keep out of the Middle East, lay off Afghanistan, force Israel to give up land, treat Yasser Arafat as something other than a psychopathic, corrupt, and opportunistic killer, look the other way on Iran and its nuclear program — and was rewarded with the WTC bombing, the embassy bombings, and the Cole.
Do you finally start to see the point?
you guys are buying into this hook line and sinker. it would be funny if it wasn’;t using MY tax dollars.
I stand by what I said and so does the pentagon. are they too liberal for you?
where were the WMDS? stop being so gullible. a fool and his money are soon parted.
Lester-
When did you start paying taxes to al-Qaeda???
we all pay taxes to al queda. the iraq war is little more than an al queda recruitment effort. that’s what it’s been most succesful in accomplishing.
NDXXX, good points all. I think that’s why the Left is fighting so hard against the use of the word “Appeasement” –almost as hard as they fought the use of “Abortionist” to describe their agenda in the 1970’s.
lester-of-the-lower-case, first I seriously doubt if you pay any taxes into the Federal treasury. Second, your view and political edge has no base of power in Washington so it really doesn’t matter what you “want your tax dollars” being spent on does it? You aren’t in control over those spending priorities… your party isn’t in control… it’s unlikely they will be after the November elections when you contend the GOP will be swept out to sea like the NO residents after Katrina.
keogh, what you want our tax dollars spent on is immaterial. If I were your Congressman, I’d give you your two cents back just to put a muzzle on that dubious claim.
No hook. No line. No sinker. Just you flopping on the deck of the boat like a fish out of water.
#2-3: Cal, go look into the history of the families of Aragon y Castilla, specifically the expulsion of the Moors from the Iberian peninsula circa 1490. What the islamofascists are doing in the 21st century is nothing short of picking up where al-Andalus left off before Fernan e Isabel kicked their asses out of Spain.
Incidentally, La Reina Isabel de Castilla was one of the first ruling queens in medieval Europe who donned war gear and actually rode with the troops under the banner of St. James to expel the Moors. Rumor has it that she slapped a man for crying. Now THAT is a strong woman!
History does indeed repeat itself. The question is – do the present-day Spanish have the cojones to do what their ancestors did? Methinks not.
#4 – Vera, dear, I’ll drink to that. Although I will say it would be amusing to see Rosie, Pelosi, Fonda, Hitlery and Sheehan in full-length burkas. Not to mention easy on the eyes with those cows under wraps.
Wonder what Teddy K would do if he were forced to give up his liquor under sharia law? The possibilities are just deliciously overwhelming!
Regards,
Peter H.
PS – In memory of Italian journalist/heroine Oriana Fallaci, another strong woman, I will repeat her mantra: “Lan astaslem.” It means “I will not submit” in Arabic. May her memory be eternal.
they’ve got you citing events from 1490 to justify the billions going into halliburton and co’s accounts. it’s like an abusive realtionship. If you could see it from the outside, you’d be so humiliaited and embarassed you’d never let anyone do it to you again.
“lester-of-the-lower-case, first I seriously doubt if you pay any taxes into the Federal treasury. Second, your view and political edge has no base of power in Washington so it really doesn’t matter what you “want your tax dollars” being spent on does it? You aren’t in control over those spending priorities… your party isn’t in control… it’s unlikely they will be after the November elections when you contend the GOP will be swept out to sea like the NO residents after Katrina.”
I make a hell of a lot more than any of you that’s for damn sure. Yo couldn’t afford my cuff links with a year of your salary. my view and poltical edge? what does that even mean. my party isn’t in control? so what give up and go home. that’s some ‘patriotism” there. nice probably rascist shot at the NO katrina victims too.
nonoe of you have ever read one book on terrorism from an actual middl east analyst of ANY political background. you read NEO CON BLOGS that are based on the ISRAELI point of view. not to disparage that particular view, but it’s from the viewpoint of people WHO DON”T EVEN LIVE IN CARE ABOUT OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT arab countries, other than that they see them as an enemy. you are dumb in this regard. you know as much about the middle east as I do about pottery. and you wonder why liberals dont “get it”. the more educated people are the less they “get it”. that’s what you think isn’t it?
Matt,
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I didn’t say anything about taxes.
You got to start reading more closely instead of sucumbing to your typical knee jerk rightist talking points.
My position is the same, let’s change tactitcs.
PS – In memory of Italian journalist/heroine Oriana Fallaci, another strong woman, I will repeat her mantra: “Lan astaslem.” It means “I will not submit” in Arabic. May her memory be eternal.
Oh, how true! Saw that earlier and said an immediate pray for her.
Such an intelligent and charming woman. Her passing is our great loss.
Her battle is over, but ours continues.
Many she RIP.
they’ve got you citing events from 1490 to justify the billions going into halliburton and co’s accounts.
If you like, I can cite one from 2001; September 11, 2001, at 8:46 AM EDT, to be exact.
That was the minute where all your puppet talk about Islamic terrorists being no threat to the United States went right out the window.
Evidently, lester, you believe that that was all a ruse created to enrich Halliburton with our tax dollars.
And you claim to be more educated than we are?
Furthermore, I think we’ve just smoked out another sockpuppet leftist.
Note lester’s comment #8, in response to Michigan-Matt:
I stand by what I said and so does the pentagon. are they too liberal for you?
Interestingly enough, Matt’s post was in response, not to lester’s…..but to keogh’s in #5.
Why would lester be saying that he stood by what he said to Matt……when in fact, he had yet to say anything in the thread?
The implication is very clear: keogh and lester are sockpuppet identities of the same individual.
#13: lester states: “I make a hell of a lot more than any of you that’s for damn sure. Yo couldn’t afford my cuff links with a year of your salary.”
Guess money really doesn’t buy class, now does it?
Typical limousine-liberal, champagne-socialist pap. This poor person (albeit rich in worldly goods if the above statement is true) is under the delusion that we are (presumably) truck-driving, Wal-Mart-shopping, bourgeous bumpkins and boobs hailing from Red States.
Actually, his statement sounds a lot like it would come from other “rich” RATS like the Kerrys, the Clintons, the Kennedys, the Corzines et al. You know, the ones who are so “in touch with working Americans.” I guess their conversations with the servants and the leaf blowers count as being “in touch” with working Americans.
And they wonder why they’re losing…
Regards,
Peter H.
#16 – NDXXX, I do believe you’ve found the smoking gun. And also – anyone noticed rajian/ianraj being so silent the past couple days?
Hm….maybe four sockpuppets for the price of one???
Regards,
Peter H.
“all your puppet talk about Islamic terrorists being no threat to the United States went right out the window”
I would be surprised if anyone said that Islamic Terrorists are “no threat”
Of Your history of slander is well documented, so I would not be surprised if you manufacture something round to fit your square hole.
I’m a libertarian for the 80th time.
“That was the minute where all your puppet talk about Islamic terrorists being no threat to the United States went right out the window.
Evidently, lester, you believe that that was all a ruse created to enrich Halliburton with our tax dollars.
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lol. what are you talking about? this is HILARIOUS. I can’t even believe you are seriosly positing THAT as your response. You aren’t a serious person. “ahh well you wanna know a terrorist attack that wa smore recent? 9/11!!” you shuld get some ointment for those knuckles, they are dragging heavily.
war is for wimps. trade is tres bon
(big wink to other participants)
Keogh, my remarks in 16, which you just cited, were directed at lester, not you.
Why are you stepping in as if they were directed at you?
#20 – lester, if you’re a friend of liberty (libertarian), I’m Brazilian.
well, if your version of liberty is the spreading of american empire under the veil of “democracy” then i am not a libertarian.
answer me this: why are we in the middle east at all? forget 9/11 for a minute. why are we there? oil? we get 17 percent of our oil from there. we could easily get it elsewhere. israel? we seem to be hampering their ability to defend themselves more t han helping it. our allies? pakistan and egypt? some allies.
most of the terrorists come from there. the people of the countries we support hate us. the people of the other countries hate us because we are threatening to invade them or sanction them ( sanctions are almost worse than invading. imagine lebanon trying to rebuild if they were under sanctions).
keep us safer?? this any many other blogs chronicle the insanity that is the middle east. getting in their face is counter intuitive is it not? seeing how they react to women daring to not wear a veil? or cartoons.
and how do we afford all this ass kicking? you’ve got idiots like nancy pelosi and bil frist controlling hundreds of billions of dollars. that can’t be good.
“war is the health of the state” as a libertarian i am anti-state, hence my love of liberty and denial of islamofascism, at least as it applies to us
lester, it seems you WANT to believe that if only the U.S. would get out of the Middle East, all would be well. The right name of that brand of politics is, um, “isolationism”.
I am a libertarian – i.e., a friend of liberty, though I prefer terms like “small-government capitalist”. And I understand that the terrorists who have been attacking us for >25 years now do so from deep-seated nihilism and religious megalomania together. And that if we withdraw from the Middle East, throw Israel and Iraq, etc. to the terrorists, it will only aid their takeover and result in our own doom.
To enjoy liberty, you must (1) be alive, and (2) defeat the world’s killer terrorists-fascists… or at least thank and support the people who do so for you.
I don’t believe that lester has yet explained just how someone can be an isolationist without isolation.
Isolationism is certainly one sub-set of libertarianism, but it requires the belief that lester displays that he can have a global economy, pervasive and ubiquitous communications, and trade, and still have isolation.
I once read an opinion that girl libertarians tend to be less isolationist than male libertarians and that it was related to personal power. Waiting to be attacked is very very stupid if you’re a girl. Thus girls tend more often to understand the value of preemption. (And also scorched earth conflict, no matter what feminists say about war being a man thing.)
lester said, before, that it mattered that 9-11 wasn’t an attempt to occupy. Libertarians often use the analogy of your home and your neighbors… and not only does waiting to be attacked not make any sense at all, but requiring that an attacker be planning to move in and live in your house is even more idiotic.
Members of the “religion of Peace” are now violently protesting the statements made by Pope Benedict. I don’t know why, because it’s not as though the Vatican has troops in the middle east. And lester tells us that it’s not our lifestyle or freedoms that upset them. But the Pope is being blamed for the violence because the truth is that the religion of “Peace” is only “Peaceful” when everyone else does and says what the religion of “peace” demands they do or say… even when it’s done or said in another country, in another place.
Thinking that the violence stems from what we’ve done instead of who we are is willful self-deception, lester, because you simply can’t be that stupid.
Lester-
Can you afford spell check??
I’ve always believed that Bush and his cronies have had a reason to not catch Osama Bin Laden and this post pretty much proves it. Had we finished the job in Afghanistan and not been diverted to Iraq, then OBL wouldn’t have had the chance to make his statements for so long after 9/11/01 (5 years, 5 days and counting that this lunatic has remained at large). Without the fear that OBL embodies, then GWB makes some very weak cases indeed for his policies. It’s a disgrace to the memory of the thousands who died on 9/11 and not to mention an affront to their friends/family/and all the American people and people throughout the world that this whole situation has been played as an excuse to keep a conservative government in place, whether the people really want it or not. Bush now continually whines that his job has become nothing but trying to convince people that he is right. I seem to recall Nixon ran along the same lines until his bitter end.
As I watched his speech today, I saw something I didn’t think would be possible in America: A sitting President of the United States stood up and threatened the Congress to pass his legilsation to allow our agents to legally commit torture under some sort of vague threat against the House and the Senate. Isn’t one of the points of the Geneva conventions to show that we are more civilized than the terrorists who have harmed us? Additionally, these terrorists have shown themselves to be trained to die for their hideous beliefs – will torturing them really make a difference, or will it just allow our anger to flow more freely in a futile grasp at revenge?
Isn’t one of the points of the Geneva conventions to show that we are more civilized than the terrorists who have harmed us?
The fact that we fight in uniform and make a clear differentiation between soldiers and civilians is what demonstrates that we are more civilized than the terrorists.
All this talk about the Geneva Conventions is just liberal masturbating and attempting to bash Bush.
Now hear this, Kevin: when you and your fellow anti-Bush puppets put more effort into demanding compliance with the Geneva Conventions of the terrorists who are completely and flagrantly violating it than you do of the United States, THEN you will have room to talk.
Until then, you’re nothing more than grandstanding idiots who are putting your self-aggrandizement ahead of other peoples’ safety.
synova- is sweden isolationist? is every country in the world who isn’t currently in a war isolationist? If I am for free trade I don’t see how i can be called an isolationist.
YOU on the other hand, claim to be a libertarian yet you put your full faith and support in the FEDERAL GOVERMENT when it comes to “preventitive” interventions. so you object to welfare and social spending (I’m assuming) on the grounds that able bodied people should work and that the government is largely incompetent, yet this exact same federal governent can be trusted with billions od dollars and unlimited POWER when it comes the middle east. you believe putting the entire middle east under martial law is worth the price, and efefective way to keep us safe, and that we have a right to do it that all will accept. you are WRONG
“Isn’t one of the points of the Geneva conventions to show that we are more civilized than the terrorists who have harmed us?”
Nope.
The point of GC is to define what honorable combatants are, then establish RECIPROCAL rules of humane POW, etc. treatment BETWEEN two (2) such combatants.
For terrorists to merit GC treatment, they would have to (1) cease and desist from being terrorists, (2) form a government, (3) sign the GC, and (4) have every real intention of honoring the GC. In short: They don’t merit it.
We may choose to give GC treatment to them nonetheless… but that’s our choice. It’s not anything the terrorists deserve. And yes, the fact that we would consider treating them very humanely indeed even though they don’t deserve it at all, does show we are civilized – Thank you for finally noticing.
P.S. A shorter way of saying the above:
No, because we’re not the ones who need to show we’re civilized. (Fact: We are. They, as people who target children’s hospitals and use women as human shields, are not.)
I really hate to do this to McCain, but someone needs to ask him this question.
“Senator, your primary reason for opposition to this bill is your belief that failure to follow the Geneva Conventions will somehow endanger our troops; therefore, by your logic, following the Geneva Conventions will protect them from torture.
Can you explain to the Senate how, despite the fact that the United States was following the Geneva Conventions, doing so did not prevent you and your fellow prisoners of war from being tortured.
Furthermore, despite your claim that there presumably would be an outcry against such behavior, can you explain why the general effect in the United States was the exact opposite — as shown by Democratic supporters of Senators Kerry and Kennedy like Jane Fonda?”
Looks as though the wacky Iranian prez blinked…he will skip Bush’s address to the UN as well as the luncheon that follows. So much for this guy’s supposed “fearlessness” and “strength.” He’s probably curled up in a fetal position with his mom’s burka for protection.
But will anyone in the MSM view this as a victory for our side? Doubtful.
However, let it be said: BUSH WON THIS ROUND WITH IRAN.
Regards,
Peter H.
in your dreams homeboy. ahmedenejad challenged bush to a debate and bush chickened out. just like he was afraid to meet cindy sheehan. he’s a wimp. he can send an army to fight in the desert but he can’t face a woman in a conversation.
Iran has the US in a quagmire in iraq and they kicked israels ass via hezbollah in lebanon. not to mention getting rid of the taliban and saddam, two of their biggest enemies. You wish you were iran right now
“You wish you were iran right now.”
In YOUR dreams, (mo)lester. Why would any sane American say something like that? Oh, wait…considering the source…never mind.
And as far as Mama Moonbat is concerned, Bush DID meet with her after Casey’s death, before she became a tool of the RATS and the MoveOn crowd.
Apparently, you folks seem to act like islamofascists and apologies – one is never enough.
Go back in the corner and sit down until we call your name.
Regards,
Peter H.
what american wold say you wish you were Iran right now? me! If you hads any understanding of current events you;d know exactly what I meant. even their harshest critics have marvelled at their recent good fortune.
We all saw cindy sheehan camping outside the bush compound. it would have taken seconds for him to walk over there but he was too chicken. how was she a tool of the “moveon” crowd? there is no moveon crowd. and so what if she was. why sholdn’t bush meet with a tool of the moveon crowd? ahmadenejad is your daddy!
I refuse to fight a battle of wits with an unarmed (mo)lester. And if you want to be in Iran so badly, I’ll gladly contribute the one-way airfare to get your a$$ there tomorrow. Maybe you’ll actually learn something about freedom when it is denied to you.
Regards,
Peter H.
Iran looks like seattle or Boston. it’s totally modern in most places except the countryside.
Except for the bodies of gays, women who dressed “provocatively” (translation: not in burkas), and political or religious dissidents hanging in the public squares.
Somehow, I just don’t see that in Seattle or Boston.
Which is why Ahmadinejad (which is a nice anagram for MAD JIHAD) doesn’t get to talk with Bush. If he wants to speak with grownups, he can act like one.
Plus, as someone wisely pointed out, putting him next to Bush would point out that MadJihad has a serious short-man syndrome problem. Kind of like his fellow lunatic Kim Jong-Il.
just like he was afraid to meet cindy sheehan.
You mean the racist anti-Semite terrorism supporter who believes Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth?
Same thing; if Momma Moonbat wants to talk to grownups, she can act like one. Or she can keep being the bitch for every tin-pot dictator around the world who likes to imprison, torture, and murder their political dissidents, like Chavez, Castro, and MadJihad.
“racist anti-Semite terrorism supporter”
All you do NDT is Slander, Slander Slander.
Jeez
#40 – 401(k), slander is only if what is said about someone is untrue.
If ANYTHING describes the “president” of Iran (more like a dictator if you ask me), it is “racist anti-Semite terrorism supporter.”
Go in the corner and sit down and don’t disturb us adults until you have learned to quit stamping your foot and whining.
Regards,
Peter H.
Iran has the second largest jewish population in the middle east. they have at least one jew in parliament. Obviously they aren’t anti-semites. they don’t support terror either. nor do they hang gays, women or political dissidents in the streets
Nobody is listening to you, lester/keogh. And they never will again.
Go home.
Regards,
Peter H.
oh well just for that I’m going to come here several times a day. you just made an enemy, ugly
and my point about the jews in iran completely levels your argument, retard.
hey peter looks like your ugly and retarded!