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America Wins In Terrorist Deal

My test of whether something is good or bad in the War on Terror is how the Terrorist Civil Liberties Union (aka – ACLU) reacts.  In this case, I feel a lot safer knowing the Bush/McCain/Graham compromise is something the TCLU doesn’t like.

Following announcements that an agreement has been reached between the White House and Senators John Warner (R-VA), John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on military commissions, the American Civil Liberties Union today said the compromise agreement does not protect due process, fails to meet international treaty obligations and urged lawmakers to reject the deal.

The following may be attributed to Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office:

“This is a compromise of America’s commitment to the rule of law.  The proposal would make the core protections of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions irrelevant and unenforceable.  It deliberately provides a ‘get out of jail free card’ to the administration’s top torture officials, and backdates that card nine years.  These are tactics expected of repressive regimes, not the American government.

“Also under the proposal, the president would have the authority to declare what is – and what is not – a grave breach of the War Crimes Act, making the president his own judge and jury.  This provision would give him unilateral authority to declare certain torture and abuse legal and sound.  In a telling move, during a call with reporters today, National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley would not even answer a question about whether waterboarding would be permitted under the agreement.

“The agreement would also violate time-honored American due process standards by permitting the use of evidence coerced through cruel and abusive treatment.  We urge lawmakers to stand firm in their commitment to American values and reject this charade of a compromise.”

It is sweet though to see the union of the first Republican political “same-sex marriage” out of all of this — John McCain and his lovely bride Lindsey Graham.  Kissy, kissy!

More on the Terrorist Detainee Compromise and the TCLU’s reaction at Stop the ACLU.

-Bruce (GayPatriot)



  1. And Bruce, as I mentioned to Dan the other night, this is a big win for the Bush Administration, but will the Drive-By Media give him his props for winning? HELL, NO. Why? Because it ruins their RAT agenda.

    We all know who won this round – Bush and the American people. The libtard left will just explode today, mark my words.

    It’s Morning in America!

    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — September 22, 2006 @ 11:43 am - September 22, 2006

  2. Bruce, what’s even more telling is how the Democrats stayed out of this discussion about “protecting our troops in future battles” vs “protecting our citizens from terror threats”. I think that was because the Democrats don’t know much about either issue. They hate the military unless it can be used for partisan gain. They hate America and Americans. And they’ve proven their support and empathy with the terrorists.

    I think that is it: the Democrats haven’t said anything because they don’t know jack about the military, protecting the troops, our fellow American citizens or how to effectively fight a WOT.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — September 22, 2006 @ 11:45 am - September 22, 2006

  3. Frederickson’s comment, ““This is a compromise of America’s commitment to the rule of law”, has to be one of the dumbest things ever said.

    She was talking about A LAW THEY’RE MAKING. “Rule of law” means that you set laws and procedures in advance, then carry them out as made.

    If you think there is an underlying Constitutional violation, you follow laws and procedures there as well – to bring it to a court and have the court decide. And in fact, the new law is being written precisely to make sure we are in full compliance with all court decisions. And the TCLU will be able to challenge the new law, if they want.

    So, far from the bill (or this whole process) being a “violation” of the rule of law – we are, in fact, witnessing the rule of law in action.

    Democracy is NOT served when fools like Frederickson try to tell people that somehow night is day, purple is yellow, or the actual rule of law is a “violation” of same.

    Comment by Calarato — September 22, 2006 @ 1:02 pm - September 22, 2006

  4. Wait Calarato, you’ve given a platform for raj/ian to pontificate… well, that’s not the right term given his religious bigotry but you know what I mean.

    Quick, ask Bruce to strike your comment… when you speak about “The Law” our resident ambulance chaser always ‘pines in.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — September 22, 2006 @ 6:21 pm - September 22, 2006

  5. You know, I don’t know why Bush isn’t just honest about wanting out from under the obligations of the Geneva Conventions. I’m sure he could get enough rubber stamps in the Senate to withdraw from them formally. Does he think he’s fooling anyone else in the world with this charade?

    Comment by Ian — September 22, 2006 @ 7:37 pm - September 22, 2006

  6. How can Bush “be honest” about doing something that, in fact, he does not want nor intend to do?

    Only in rajIan-land. “Mr. Bush, have you stopped beating your wife yet?”

    Comment by Calarato — September 22, 2006 @ 8:39 pm - September 22, 2006

  7. raj/Ian isn’t worthy of debate.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — September 22, 2006 @ 8:56 pm - September 22, 2006

  8. M-Matt, that’s because he caught his flight back home to Caracas today.

    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — September 22, 2006 @ 10:11 pm - September 22, 2006

  9. sorry, this is a huge blow to bush and the gop. bush, who’s so concerned with what his legacy will be, will always be known for starting an immoral war on false charges; now he adds to his infamy with his push to torture “enemy” combatants.

    we’ve already lost this war on terror. bush and his neocon bully buddies have destroyed our reputation. they have decided preemptive military strikes are just fine and dandy even if it means relying on a drunk iraqi with the nickname of ‘curveball’ for intelligence.

    bush’s legacy is set. he will forever be known as the worst president ever. i’m just hopeful his actions won’t bring down our empire, but i fear the worst.

    Comment by rightiswrong — September 23, 2006 @ 1:38 am - September 23, 2006

  10. You need not worry, rightiswrong; we’ll have no problems.

    What you will have trouble explaining, though, is why you and your fellow Democrats opposed fighting terrorism, establishing stable governments in the Middle East, the Palestinian Authority’s recognizing Israel, the decline of Hugo Chavez, and numerous other items.

    You have been quite successful at hiding the truth about Saddam’s brutalities from Americans. Had a fraction of Saddam’s atrocities been shown with the same repetitiveness of Abu Ghirab, this war would not even be a question in the American public’s mind. What history will report is that this was the point at which the Democratic Party realized that they had to lie and manipulate reality to continue to capture votes.

    The final deathblow has been struck with the arrival in the House of a bill requiring all Americans to show proof of citizenship and photo identification to vote. Expect Democratic candidates, especially leftist hatemongering ones, to experience double-digit drops the first election this is implemented.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 23, 2006 @ 2:03 am - September 23, 2006

  11. “bush, who’s so concerned with what his legacy will be”

    Are you freakin’ kidding me? How do you come about with this statement? This president is so unconcerned about the “future” (whatever that may be) that nobody has asked him about it. If they have, I want to see proof.

    Only those who are concerned about their legacy are the ones who didn’t do enough to ensure it in the first place. Exhibit A – Slick Willie.


    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — September 23, 2006 @ 1:40 pm - September 23, 2006

  12. Peter,

    RIW wont’ listen to reality or reason. He’s drunk beyond rationality because it’s the only way he can exist while the Democrat’s fantasyland of Congressional upset disappears into the fog of political pragmatism and voter nullification… the Democrats are getting nullified 30 days early. It hurts them so much, they can only flail and whine and scream.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — September 25, 2006 @ 12:37 pm - September 25, 2006

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