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Should Gays “Oust” McGreevey?

Posted by Bruce Carroll at 12:52 pm - September 22, 2006.
Filed under: Gay America,Gay Politics

Jonah Goldberg thinks so.  He agrees with what we have said here after McGreevey first came out…. the same day he resigned for his corruption in office.

A Disgraced, Corrupt Ex-Governor…. who happens to be gay.  He now plays the identity card for sympathy – LA Times

Whatever the truth, it’s clear that McGreevey only came out because the wheels were coming off his political career. He tried to leap to safety by grabbing on to the guardrail of identity politics, declaring with focus-group clarity: “My truth is that I am a gay American.” That formulation — “my truth” — was exquisitely postmodern, implying that truth isn’t something we can all lay claim to any more. It must be personalized, relativized. It’s all about me.

By buying into this secular gospel, McGreevey appears to think that he can be cleansed of his sins. But real redemption requires admitting your mistakes, not merely the prurient details. As the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Monica Yant Kinney notes: “McGreevey didn’t come clean. He just came out.”

In his memoir, “The Confession,” McGreevey offers any number of revelations, but they don’t add up to a confession. “Some things I’d done, or allowed to be done in my name, were morally repugnant to me,” he writes, presumably referring to the various aides, mentors and backers facing criminal charges or mired in scandal. But he dealt with that by “forgetting” or never allowing himself to know. “I had my people strike back-room deals I kept myself in the dark about or forced from my mind if I learned too much. Obviously this is one root of my memory problems.”

Translation: “I feel so guilty about my corruption I can’t remember it. But hey, would you like to hear about my porny gay trysts at truck stops? I remember those perfectly.”

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Some gay rights groups were initially eager to make McGreevey a homosexual hero-martyr. The Human Rights Campaign celebrated the “courage” of America’s “first openly gay governor.”

But they seem to be getting cold feet. He’s not selling well. His appearance on “Oprah,” intended as the first waystation toward his beatification, received high ratings, but he generally got poor reviews. McGreevey is posing as a victim of something, but it’s not clear what it is. He lives with an Australian tycoon in a lavish manse in New Jersey. He reportedly got half a million dollars to describe how he betrayed everyone he claimed to love in Penthouse Forum detail. He told Matt Lauer on “Today” that he behaved so badly partly because he had straight parents who couldn’t teach him to be gay.

Perusing various gay blogs, one can find expressions of sympathy with the no-doubt real anguish of being in the closet. But as for McGreevey the man, there’s mostly contempt or prurient fascination. What there isn’t is a groundswell to make this guy a hero. Because he isn’t one.

I’m really just hoping McGreevey goes away.  He doesn’t serve our community well and now he’s just using us (again) to hock his memoirs.

-Bruce (GayPatriot)

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  1. By the power vested in me by whatever authority I can do so, I hereby declare McGreevey no longer to be a “gay American”…..but a corrupt criminal who happens to be gay and is using our community as an excuse for his actions.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 22, 2006 @ 12:59 pm - September 22, 2006

  2. Yes. Another one who gets married for convenience and has children for convenience to cover up the fact that he’s gay. All these people in the closet and marrying under false pretenses and having children under false pretenses only makes it worse for the rest of us. If you want to live in your closet, fine, but don’t legislate against others who aren’t in the closet with you (Schrock) AND don’t marry (a woman, if you’re a gay male), and have children to cover up the fact that you’re getting it on with other men (McGreevey) unless you plan to stay in the closet for the rest of your life. Cowards, one and all.

    Comment by DanielFTL — September 22, 2006 @ 1:21 pm - September 22, 2006

  3. McGreevey isn’t a role model for the gay community, but when I see people criticizing him for actions relating to his personal life, that spurns me to want to defend him.

    Still, his story is a sad one. I feel bad for his wife.

    But you know, he is kind of hot. At least he has that going for him, lol.

    Comment by Chase — September 22, 2006 @ 1:56 pm - September 22, 2006

  4. HOT??
    I’d met the man back when he was governor several times, and he gave off “bad vibes” like a black dry-ice smoke…. Rather than trigger the gaydar, it was “Danger, …Danger, Will Robinson!”. I couldn’t bring myself to shake hands with him. It was like when that really-repulsive troll that inhabits the dark corners of your local gay bar oozes up behind you and whispers, “…your cute”. “Yeech” **shudder**

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — September 22, 2006 @ 2:11 pm - September 22, 2006

  5. The trouble is when I’ve listened to him lately, he has the “I was bad, I have no excuse, I was bad… please buy my book” thing down pat. He is exactly the opposite of what image I want in main stream America’s mind when they think “gay”. But then, so is Hillary and we’re stuck with her for now.

    Having had my GayCard revoked 5 ways: 1) for being a church-going mackrel snapping papist; 2) for being GOP; 3) for viewing work and career more important than circuitparties; 4) for being a Dad; and 5) for going against the grain of our gay culture on issues of personal conduct… I don’t think we should revoke McGreevey’s (thanks) GayCard. I think we should pity him and see him for the snake oil salesman he is… and don’t buy his book.

    Also, I think we need to line up some dates for Chase if he thinks the ex-Gov is hot. Yikes. Shudder twice and cringe.

    But NDXXX has the answer… now let’s do a group hug and feel better, shall we? Ahhhhh that’s the GayLeft way.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — September 22, 2006 @ 6:19 pm - September 22, 2006

  6. Karma has punished me for forgetting the difference between “your” and “you’re” when posting in haste; my HP office printer has died and it will next week before I get a replacement. Thank the nameless gods that I didn’t have a deadline this afternoon.

    Yes, I’m too-cheap to have a back-up printer……

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — September 22, 2006 @ 7:05 pm - September 22, 2006

  7. #4 – Then I take it you find Cipel’s story plausible? (That McGreevey was a stalker / sexual harrasser all along, who Cipel had no sex nor affair with.)

    I think I do. I picked up the vibe you describe, just from seeing McGreevey on TV.

    Comment by Calarato — September 22, 2006 @ 7:19 pm - September 22, 2006

  8. If McGreevey was a Republican – the msm would be all over him. The gay groups would be crucifying him (and not in that Madonna way!).

    But, he’s a democrat, so he gets a pass – you know homophobia and all that.

    Comment by sandy — September 22, 2006 @ 8:31 pm - September 22, 2006

  9. Excellent points to all of the above. I too find Cipel’s story more plausible, simply because of who he is and how McGreevey is reacting.

    The old line for libs still holds true: Don’t listen to what they say – watch what they do instead. Oprah’s audience wasn’t fooled one bit.

    And Sandy, kudos to your point. If McGreevey had been GOP, the MSM would be all over him like a bad rash.

    I too propose we revoke McGreevey’s gay card and in the spirit of the posting above, eliminate Madonna’s status as “fag hag” once and for all as well.

    So much for the gay plantation, folks.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — September 22, 2006 @ 10:10 pm - September 22, 2006

  10. I don’t think any of us should be judging McGreevey – we don’t know him personally. He seems to be trying to turn his life around for the better, for himself and the gay community…so who are we to judge him..not the GOP’s GOD are we? I don’t pretend to know Mary Cheney either…but i’d take a McGreevey before Mary Cheney anyday.

    Comment by sad american — September 22, 2006 @ 10:18 pm - September 22, 2006

  11. So, sad american, you are a sexist pig, no? Or does McGreevey just have more of an arousal factor on you than Mary Cheney – who, incidentally, is probably closer to the gay public than the ex-gov any day of the week.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — September 22, 2006 @ 10:31 pm - September 22, 2006

  12. I guess i’m the only one who thinks he is hot, lol. Oh well.

    But i’ll take the date offer! I’m said to be a good looking, very well built 20-something, but never go on dates or have sex. It’s like a gay twilight zone episode! HELP =)

    Comment by Chase — September 22, 2006 @ 10:38 pm - September 22, 2006

  13. And peter, you can’t knock Madonna. The very first piece of recorded music I ever bought when I was knee high to a grasshoper was a Madonna single.

    And it was from Madonna’s Erotica album that I learned what “eating out” was, lol.

    So even though i’m not feeling the british accent, I still love her. =)

    Comment by Chase — September 22, 2006 @ 10:45 pm - September 22, 2006

  14. sad american (how appropriate), let me put it to you this way:

    corrupt government official: bad (made a judgment)
    being gay: good (made a judgment)
    gay corrupt government official: bad (made a judgment)

    The gay(good) doesn’t trump the corrupt(bad).

    Comment by John in IL — September 22, 2006 @ 10:48 pm - September 22, 2006

  15. No one finds it insulting that Jonah Goldberg somehow expects gays to disown someone, as if we are the mafia or a political party and have the power to completely shut someone out?

    Only people who view gays in the most narrow-minded or negative of terms are going to get bad feelings about them because of McGreevey. If he wants to go out there and plug his book, who cares? The book will probably fail and he will go to obscurity. He isn’t going to cause the end of the world for gays.

    Are we going to ask Jonah Goldberg to lead a movement against Republicans who are critical of their party now, like John Danforth, Christie Todd Whitman, Bob Barr, etc.? Are we going to ask him to lead a movement against people like Tony Perkins or Randall Terry or Jerry Falwell? They always go on about such a big tent. They shouldn’t expect anything different from other groups.

    Comment by Carl — September 23, 2006 @ 12:36 am - September 23, 2006

  16. #11…mary cheney “closer to the gay public.” are you kidding me? perhaps closer to the “public” in this blog, but certainly not to the gay public at large.

    Comment by rightiswrong — September 23, 2006 @ 1:31 am - September 23, 2006

  17. For once, rightiswrong is correct.

    Mary Cheney is a successful, well-spoken individual who has been given great opportunities, taken advantage of them, and is an example of how being openly gay is no impediment to one’s success.

    Most gays are more like McGreevey….using the fact that they are gay to rationalize cowardice and cover up their antisocial actions and attitudes.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 23, 2006 @ 1:58 am - September 23, 2006

  18. “Most gays are more like McGreevey”

    McGreevey was involved in all kinds of major scandals while he was governor. I don’t think the average homosexual who may have struggles coming out of the closet compares to him. I’m not sure what “cowardice” or “antisocial” attitudes gays have which compare to all he was involved in as governor. I could say that it was “cowardice” for Mary Cheney to hide away during most of the 2004 campaign instead of being seen celebrating with her father and the Bush family, as she was in 2000. Or that she stopped taking any role in trying to work as a liasion between gays and Republicans around 2003, when the GOP started using gay baiting to help win the election. But I can’t throw that label on her because I don’t think that’s fair of me.

    It’s easy to generalize how awful gays are, but often there is this big bad bogeyman image of gays and how terrible they are supposed to be which doesn’t match up to the reality.

    Comment by Carl — September 23, 2006 @ 3:05 am - September 23, 2006

  19. But I can’t throw that label on her because I don’t think that’s fair of me.

    Come now, Carl; if you can say it, you can own up to it. And if you don’t believe it, then there was no need for you to say it.

    McGreevey is doing what he is doing because that is the behavior rewarded in the gay community; any and every behavior, no matter how stupid, no matter how self-destructive, can be blamed on a) the fact that you’re gay and b) the belief that everyone else is homophobic and forcing you to do it.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 23, 2006 @ 3:35 am - September 23, 2006

  20. -Come now, Carl; if you can say it, you can own up to it. And if you don’t believe it, then there was no need for you to say it.-

    But don’t you see that her actions can just as easily be twisted as some kind of “cowardice” or “covering up antisocial actions and attitudes” if someone wanted to twist them that way? I choose not to do that. Others, who seem to only want to see the worst in the gay community, choose only to find the most negative or stereotypical explanation.

    -McGreevey is doing what he is doing because that is the behavior rewarded in the gay community-

    If this is rewarded in the gay community, then why did he stay in the closet for all those decades? Why is he now going the national route with this book, with appearances on major talk shows, instead of just hoping the gay community will love him and give him everything he needs?

    -any and every behavior, no matter how stupid, no matter how self-destructive, can be blamed on a) the fact that you’re gay and b) the belief that everyone else is homophobic and forcing you to do it.-

    We can say this about anyone of any background. People frequently try to excuse bad behavior based on their race, their gender, their religious background, how they were raised. You seem to think only gays do this. That’s far from the case. There are also many gays who don’t do what you are describing. If we look for the worst, then that is what we will always find.

    Comment by Carl — September 23, 2006 @ 5:20 am - September 23, 2006

  21. Sorry to dash your myths, but all liberal gays don’t support McGreevey. Like many, I initially had sympathy when I heard the major points of his original story. As soon as I read the full story though, I realized it was just another NJ sleazy politician; they abound there, both Democrat and Republican.

    I think people want to believe that everyone will come out, even after years of being closeted, because it’s eventually the right thing to do. While its possible that might have been a small part of it, it was a get out of jail free card: he was facing corruption charges, blackmail and it was simply a deflection of all of that. Heck, even timed his resignation date so a special election couldn’t be held to replace him. Frankly, it’s interesting to me, because like many conservatives here, being gay took a backseat to his political beliefs and career.

    17: “Most gays are more like McGreevey….using the fact that they are gay to rationalize cowardice and cover up their antisocial actions and attitudes” Really? and where is the proof to back up that little dog dropping of a statement?

    Comment by Kevin — September 23, 2006 @ 5:53 am - September 23, 2006

  22. Um, McGreevey is not–or at least was not, before his announcement that he was resigning the NJ governorship–gay. He was a straight man who liked to have homosexual dalliances on the side–on the down low, so to speak. Why do I consider him to have been straight? Because that was the personna that he wanted to present to the public to further his political career. He married twice (in succession, not contemporaneously) and had a child by each of his wives.

    McGreevey resigned the NJ governorship because the NJ or federal authorities were investigating corruption in his malAdministration, and his speech diverted attention from that well-known allegation, to his claim that he was gay. I’m sorry, but I don’t buy his contention that he was gay. And I resent the fact that major “gay” organizations welcomed him into the gay “fold.” It has been suggested that he may be on the cover of the next Advocate, which will annoy me to no end, and which–if he is–may lead to a rather scathing letter to the editor.

    It has been reported that McGreevey–prior to his “coming out” speech–expressed opposition to equal marriage rights for gay people to hide his own homosexual tendencies. To some extent, McGreevey reminds me of Robert Bauman, the anti-gay Republican US Representative from eastern Maryland (also married, with children), who resigned from the House in 1980 or so following allegations that he had been having homosex. Initially, Bauman claimed that he had had homosex because he had had an alcohol problem, but, after that didn’t work, he divorced his wife, and sought refuge in the gay community, which, for whatever reason, was more than willing to oblige. It will never cease to amaze me how much these gay organizations are willing to forgive these politicians of their homophobic tendencies after they “come out.” It is truly disgusting.

    Comment by raj — September 23, 2006 @ 7:32 am - September 23, 2006

  23. I agree, Mr. McGreevey is no hero. Um, actually he IS a hero to all of those who frequent and lurk in rest areas, parks, truck stops, etc, hoping to accomplish either frictional physical relief or to sate his need for emotional connection via such physical friction and the supposed intimacy gained by body clutching.

    Now that he is done with that – or so he claims, and let us pray that he doesn’t start pulling a George Michael on us – he mouths the usual self-acceptance phrases in a way that indicate training by a therapist, meaning that the self-acceptance is still an act in progress, and doesn’t yet go very deep.

    And he blames society for his past mistakes. He skates past the corruption of his administration.

    Now I’m not saying that societal attitudes do not force such dysfunction. They can, even in many people, and it’s a tragedy when that happens. Mr. McGreevey was clearly quite unhealthy and is hopefully far better now. I wish him success on his path and he has started it well.

    But… a hero? For all of this? He is more a victim who has survived and is beginning to prosper. That is worthy of applause but not of identification as a hero. Or are we a culture composed entirely of victims? I sympathize with victims and celebrate their emancipation. Mr. McGreevey is not speaking of his past acts nor his corrupt government YET in a way that evokes admiration. A hero has performed many acts worthy of profound admiration, not just survived and begun to emerge from the darkness. We cannot, must not, set our standards for heroism that low. And do not forget the extensive corruption in his government.

    Mr. McGreevy is doing alright now. Much better now. And I’m glad for him. But he’s no hero.

    Comment by Michael Devereaux — September 23, 2006 @ 9:29 am - September 23, 2006

  24. Ex-Gov. McGreevey. Aaaaargh!! The guy is a creep who is playing the gay card to the hilt. The man is so sleazy he must glide when he walks. Chase, how on God’s green earth could you find him attractive? And what is it about New Jersey politicians? Bob Torricelli, Mcgreevey, Jim Florio (remember him?), etc. There must be something in the water.

    Comment by Jimbo — September 23, 2006 @ 12:07 pm - September 23, 2006

  25. I can only speak for the women – my life is like Mary Cheney’s, except for the money & political connections.

    Comment by sandy — September 23, 2006 @ 1:13 pm - September 23, 2006

  26. If gays weren’t successful, businesses wouldn’t be courting us like we are Cinderella at the ball. I mean really, how long can it be before you see “The White Party (sponsored by Nike)”? LOL

    Comment by Chase — September 23, 2006 @ 3:15 pm - September 23, 2006

  27. “… #4 – Then I take it you find Cipel’s story plausible? (That McGreevey was a stalker / sexual harrasser all along, who Cipel had no sex nor affair with.) “….

    Do I believe Cipel? Not for a minute. Ha accepted TWO high positions in the McGreevey administration after meeting McGreevey, and it’s documented that they spent a LOT of time together, they even posed for a press picture in tuxes together like they were on a date.

    http://susanmernit.blogspot.com/golan.jpg
    http://images.ibsys.com/2004/0813/3653228_200X150.jpg

    As I understood, they first met when McGreevey was visiting Israel on a trade mission/vacation/junket. He wasn’t just some local civil-service cutie McG’ got the hots for while at the office.

    Gay?, bi?, maybe gay-for-pay; I don’t know. But “harassed?, I doubt it. More like pissed when “Daddy” took the T-bird away….

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — September 23, 2006 @ 5:00 pm - September 23, 2006

  28. But don’t you see that her actions can just as easily be twisted as some kind of “cowardice” or “covering up antisocial actions and attitudes” if someone wanted to twist them that way?

    Really? And what exactly did Mary Cheney do on the order of marrying someone of the opposite sex, having kids with them, taking a girl toy on the side, and then naming that person to a position to which they were totally unqualified?

    Why is he now going the national route with this book, with appearances on major talk shows, instead of just hoping the gay community will love him and give him everything he needs?

    Because he needs to publicly reinforce gays’ attitudes that they are not responsible for their behavior by doing it himself.

    We can say this about anyone of any background. People frequently try to excuse bad behavior based on their race, their gender, their religious background, how they were raised. You seem to think only gays do this.

    Oh, I don’t think only gays do this; I just happen to think gays do it more often than most.

    Really? and where is the proof to back up that little dog dropping of a statement?

    Look in the mirror.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 24, 2006 @ 1:27 am - September 24, 2006

  29. #28 North Dallas Thirty — September 24, 2006 @ 1:27 am – September 24, 2006

    >>>Why is he now going the national route with this book, with appearances on major talk shows, instead of just hoping the gay community will love him and give him everything he needs?

    Because he needs to publicly reinforce gays’ attitudes that they are not responsible for their behavior by doing it himself.

    ROTFLMAO. McGreevey is “going the national route with this book” to try to push sales of his book. Maybe he’ll get a few more copies sold than Mlle. Cheney was able to sell with her book. One hopes, not many more copies. I’m not really interested in reading a memoir of a whiner.

    NB: McGreevey was, indeed on the cover of the latest Advocate–just got it yesterday. Time for a letter to their editor.

    Comment by raj — September 24, 2006 @ 8:39 am - September 24, 2006

  30. McGreevey was on the cover of Advocate??

    And they say the media isn’t biased???

    Proof is in the pudding.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — September 24, 2006 @ 3:25 pm - September 24, 2006

  31. McGreevey was, indeed, on the cover of the most recent Advocate. They call it their “coming out” issue.

    Comment by raj — September 25, 2006 @ 7:19 am - September 25, 2006

  32. McGreevey is doing us more harm right now than the entire 40+ years of GayLeft leadership of our community.

    When will we jetison this low life? Probably the same time we call for an end to circuit parties, glory holes, c-methy and stop lesbians from wearing flannel, knock off Birkenstocks and doing small engine repair.

    Never.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — September 25, 2006 @ 12:32 pm - September 25, 2006

  33. Our favorite “piano bar” here in Houston has just undergone a change in ownership.

    Gone will be the fun sing-alongs to great Broadway musicals until 2 am (yes, we do embrace stereotypes here).

    This new owner will now have a “happy hour” piano time from 6 to 8pm, followed by – are you ready for this? – techno/pop music and male dancers (read: go-go-twinks) until closing. This for a bar where the median age is 55. (It’s so full of older men that I get CARDED at the bar!)

    The reason I am bringing this up is that I can see similiarities between what McGreevey is doing to our community and M-Matt’s comments. Instead of doing stuff for ourselves, we cling to images that may or may not be to our benefit.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — September 25, 2006 @ 2:13 pm - September 25, 2006

  34. Michigan-Matt, your most recent comments had a good bit of implied sexism in them. What’s wrong with a woman wearing flannel, Birkenstocks and working on an engine?

    Comment by Chase — September 25, 2006 @ 11:57 pm - September 25, 2006

  35. You hate gay people and then you want to talk about “our community”?

    Comment by jimmy — September 26, 2006 @ 1:20 am - September 26, 2006

  36. Uh, jimmycricket, who said any of us hated gay people? I certainly don’t believe in “self-loathing,” unlike other libtards on this board that I most definitely could cite by name.

    Just because I don’t have a nellie hissy-fit and wear an “Out and Proud” t-shirt doesn’t mean that I am ashamed of my lifestyle.

    Go way in the back and sit down, and don’t open your mouth until you are invited to speak by the adults.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — September 26, 2006 @ 1:27 pm - September 26, 2006

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