I disagree. I believe it is cowardice, and as I said earlier, there’s no crime in that. It’s insecurity, pathology and fear.

You can imagine what it would be like for a black person ashamed of their color, walking through life hiding behind a burqa. It’s not a crime and it’s not a life I’d like to live. But it’s moral cowardice.

Leo, did you think about this before you wrote it? (I’m serious.)

A black man would have to hide his skin (as you point out) in order to hide the fact that he is black. A gay man has to - act perfectly normal to “hide” the fact that he’s gay. For a gay man to display “courage” as you describe, he has to trumpet to the world, “Look at me! I’m gay!”. That isn’t courage. It’s selfishness.

As I said before, it’s perfectly possible to live your life as a gay person without annoncing it to everyone you meet. And it isn’t an indication of shame or cowardice. Running around flaunting your sexuality and insisting that everyone accept that and honor your for it is. It reminds me of the famous line from MacBeth - Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Ok - here’s the deal on gay people. Who fucking cares!

Its none of my business what you do in your bedroom.

Any questions?

PS I grew up in the Midwest. I think most of my contemporaries feel the sam.

Exactly my point.

But talk to leftists like Matt Foreman, who think abortion is a gay issue.

I particularly love this insane line:

Our individual and family needs are inextricably linked with all other Americans - we love and have sex; women in our community get pregnant, need the assistance of fertility clinics to do so, or choose or need to end a pregnancy; both men and women in our community choose to - or choose not to - have children.

If someone can explain to me how gay men or lesbians are getting pregnant from sex, I’d love to hear it. And if lesbians are choosing to get pregnant and then have an abortion, they’re a little to the left of sick.

This is the kind of leftist drivel to which being gay is linked by these whores like Foreman.

are you insane ? really. are you ?

what on earth do gays have to do with any of that ?

re:

“So every gay who doesn’t openly flaunt their sexuality is a coward? Boy do you have a warped mind!

Gay men who prefer to not tell their anti-gay friends and/or family are not cowards.”

I disagree. I believe it is cowardice, and as I said earlier, there’s no crime in that. It’s insecurity, pathology and fear.

You can imagine what it would be like for a black person ashamed of their color, walking through life hiding behind a burqa. It’s not a crime and it’s not a life I’d like to live. But it’s moral cowardice.

Have a great weekend!

Personally, I have a very satisfying life.

I don’t play golf, so getting into or out of the country clubs is no problem.

I can’t recall ever being discriminated against when I asked to join or be included in memberships, clubs, or professional organizations.

I’ve never had any trouble getting sex or companionship, and I have a wonderful husband whom I adore — who is, actually, one of a very few reasons I don’t condemn gays who tend to vote Democrat categorically.

I suppose you like this fiction that we gay conservative/Republican types are all miserable, but that could not be farther than the truth. The vast majority of the ones I know are happy, partnered, successful people who are both pragmatic and optimistic. They enjoy their jobs and coworkers and tend to be heavily involved in community affairs — except for gay community affairs.

Mainly because they tend to gravitate towards the straight people, who don’t abuse them and namecall them, and away from the “gay community”, which does.

I understand your confusion; as a good Democrat, you’ve been fully programmed to believe that you cannot survive off the plantation, that everyone who isn’t gay hates you, and that the Democrats are doing you a favor by even acknowledging your existence.

As a Gay, single Republican who’s over 40, my response is that the straight guy is. Assuming a 20-plus difference in ages I’ll cite popular culture as examples. Marketing sexy teenager girls to middle-aged (straight) men is a given in advertising and pornography. Girls in “schoolgirl” outfits are practically a stereotype.

Most older gay men are not attracted to adolescent high-school boys. Once there’s a number of years difference, the lower boundry generally is college or post-college guys at-least. If for no more selfish and superficial reason tham men develop later than girls and the “masculine” body-type doesn’t manifest itself until the twenties. A sixteen year-old boy is still a child-physically…and most gay men are NOT interested in children. Also, looking at the shelves of a mixed-audience porn shop; the overwhelming age/appearance of the “girls” is much younger than the “boys”. Most of the popular gay porn stars are built-guys in the twenties and thirties….the young(ish)-twinks are a sub-market.

(an unscientific opinion….)

I think you nailed exactly what the issue is: people have confused being open and honest with being confrontational.

People like Anonymous think being gay is something that should be used for purposes of power over other people. They are like black Americans whose attitude is, “My skin color excuses all”.

The vast majority of the gays you will find here have a totally different attitude. We believe that our sexual orientation has little to no bearing on what we do on a day to day basis, nor does it excuse us from the same social and work responsibilities as have straight people.

Most of the antigay backlash, in my opinion, is because gays like Anonymous have used being gay as a reason to support unpopular leftist causes, like allowing minors to have sex and have abortions without parental consent or notification, or anti-Semitic terror supporters and Democrats like Cindy Sheehan, or punishing those who work to pay for those who won’t, or antireligious bigotry….you get the idea. It’s no surprise that people then associate being gay with being undesirable

We are slowly trying to undo this, but as you see from other posts here on GP, the Democrats see diversity of political opinion in the gay community as a threat to their power — and thus have unleashed people like Anonymous to berate and harass gays who differ, just as they send black people to throw oreos at and call “house slaves” and “Uncle Toms” those black people who do not automatically do the Democrats’ bidding.

Thank you for supporting your friend and being willing to look past the screaming idiots like Anonymous. We need more people to do that, and we need your help in showing them that not all gays are like Anonymous.

Hey, antimedia… If you don’t know what your heterosexual friends do in their bedrooms, then how do you know they are heterosexuals?

The same way I know my gay friend is gay. I saw a picture of his partner on his computer, and he spoke of him in loving terms. I don’t need a graphic demonstration to figure the rest out. But I have a great deal of respect for him simply doing the same things that all people in love do rather than shoving his “gayness” in my face and asking me to “accept” it.

Get it?

And frankly, if some of my hetereosexual friends really arent hetereosexual, so what? I don’t care, and I don’t need to know what they do in their bedrooms. What the hell does what you do sexually have to do with friendship anyway?

Leo writes

But really, the premise of the original question is not invalid. If there’s nothing wrong with being gay, then why do we hide it? Is it because we are ashamed? Ashamed of what? Our own deviancy? We need to accept ourselves and come out of the closet and stop living a lie. But that’s for men to decide for themselves. Some are brave. Some are cowards. As it is in all walks of life. I think that’s what many gay men are fearful of — not exposing their sexual preference, but exposing their cowardice, because they still feel ashamed of who they are. That’s not a crime. Just a psyhcological dysfunction of insecure men who prefer to live the lie.

So every gay who doesn’t openly flaunt their sexuality is a coward? Boy do you have a warped mind!

Gay men who prefer to not tell their anti-gay friends and/or family are not cowards. They value those relationships more than they do being “honest” and they’re realistic enough to know when a relationship would be threatened by that knowledge.

What you claim is bravery is nothing more than selfishness. Only a person who has no consideration for others would feel the need to publicly confront people about their sexual preferences. Someone who is comfortable about their sexual preferences would simply live their lives as they see fit without feeling the need to announce it to the world.

What you describe as courage is really nothing more than adolescent immaturity that reveals a profound form of insecurity.

GayPatriot is reporting that the Republican party may begin to purge itself of gay identified staffers, etc.  He lists Kirk Fordham as the first casualty.  I think Mr. Fordham’s departure has more to do with his direct involvement and his acti……

It’s driven by the fact that they are committed to groups like the ACLU, which defends…

…drug addicts like Rush Limbaugh.

Nope. Equal likelihood, once you consider all things.

What may be confusing you is that, as IanRaj demonstrates, Democratic gays see nothing wrong or immoral with bedding minors — they call laws, for instance, that would criminalize it “imposing religious dogma”.

This isn’t really driven by their sexuality, though. It’s driven by the fact that they are committed to groups like the ACLU, which defends pedophiles like NAMBLA, the pro-abortion groups that encourage teenage sex as a means of increasing their bottom line, and the leftists who want to dismantle marriage and consider children having sex to be necessary to their normal development.

If you look at Republican gays, for instance, many of those here who are raising children, we will tell you flatly opposite. We are much more strongly in favor of laws that criminalize sexual activity with minors consistently so that predators like Foley can be punished.

The reason gays are so misunderstood in the mainstream media is because the majority of the ones in the public eye are like IanRaj — they loudly condemn underage sex as wrong and immoral, but then claim that acting to stop it is “imposing religious dogma”. This is part of the reason this story is resonating so strongly; people are used to “gay activists” being duplicitous on issues.

Which particular Republicans seek to end the special marriage privilege for heterosexual couples? Because (s)he’d get my vote — the State doesn’t have any business blessing particular human relationships.