I have consistently stated that I believe it’s for the states to set their own ages of consent and for you to push for a Federal law overriding state laws would be imposing your religious dogma on everyone else in the country.

And yet puppet IanRaj is screaming that sex and sexual messages to people 16 and older — which IS legal in the District of Columbia — is illegal, wrong, and immoral.

If puppet IanRaj is so concerned about children, one would think that he would demand that the Federal government standardize age-of-consent laws to protect minors. But the simple fact of the matter is that IanRaj doesn’t oppose child sex; that’s why he opposes criminalizing it. He’s simply trying to Republican-bash, blaming Foley for what he applauds in Democrats like Gerry Studds.

And as for his desperate attempt above…..somehow, the only thing he manages to continue turning up is FORMER pages over the age of consent — and, according to IanRaj, even sex with people under the age of 18 is OK if it’s over the age of consent.

There is also a Federal age of consent governing the Internet and it’s 18. But the various authorities will determine if any laws were broken. At this point, I’m more concerned with holding the Greedy Old Perverts leadership accountable for ITS actions or lack thereof. Apparently so are the American people http://tinyurl.com/h2xqz :

“Seventy-nine percent of those polled — including 61 percent of Republicans — say GOP leaders were more concerned with politics than the well-being of the teenage pages. “

Why hasn’t Foley been indicted? Charged? The only subpoena’s issued have been by congress – and they are not about Foley, they are about who knew what and when they knew it.

BTW, do y’all know Trandahl is on the board of HRC?

No, YOU said you wanted a federal law to override the state laws on age of consent and make it 18. I have consistently stated that I believe it’s for the states to set their own ages of consent and for you to push for a Federal law overriding state laws would be imposing your religious dogma on everyone else in the country. Typical for a Dobson acolyte such as yourself.

Furthermore, you seem to think it’s fine for a Republican Congressman to hit on teenage pages. I DON’T even if the law was not broken. A Congressman is in a position of power over these pages and Foley has abused that position regardless of whether or not he broke the law.

From http://tinyurl.com/zn4f3 :

“— Summer 1997: Tyson Vivyan, now 26, says he started receiving sexually suggestive instant messages from a person he later guessed was Foley. The messages started arriving a few months after he finished his stint as a page that June, according to Vivyan.”

You can do the math: 26 today means the page was 17 in 1997. More:

“—2003: Foley, a Florida Republican, reportedly writes sexually explicit instant messages to a male House page.”

Note that it said simply “page” not “former page.”

Here’s more http://tinyurl.com/jns9g :

“”I was seventeen years old and just returned to [my home state] when Foley began to e-mail me, asking if I had ever seen my page roommates naked and how big their penises were,” said the page in the 2002 class.”

Furthermore, pages were actually being warned about Foley at least as far back as 2001 and perhaps before. Obviously someone knew there was a problem. We also know that Kolbe was concerned enough to confront Foley in 2000. Did Kolbe then just forget about it or did he follow up on it? Plus the leadership and their staff have not inspired confidence with their conflicting and frequently changing stories.

LOL…..sorry, puppet IanRaj, but you are on record saying that rules or laws against sex or sexual innuendo with minors are “imposing religious beliefs”.

In short, you say it’s wrong to have sex or sexual innuendo with minors, but then argue that it’s not wrong to have sex or sexual innuendo with minors.

Known what?

This is the conflating… what was sent to existing minor pages was – tada – harmless emails. What would you be saying if anyone had acted on those? Oh never mind, you won’t answer that – you will wait a few days and “conflate” again.

There were no IM’s until after the pages left the page program and had reached age of consent.

For a sex scandal, this is seriously missing the sex.

Where is the crime??”

See here: http://tinyurl.com/fqbnk

But the legality of what Foley did is no longer the point: the authorities will deal with him appropriately. There is no question that whether or not he actually violated the law, he was ABSOLUTELY WRONG to do what he did. So now the issue is what did the Greedy Old Perverts leadership in the House know and when did they know it? Increasingly it looks like they’ve known for at least six years and did nothing about it until it was exposed by ABC News.

LOL….and to what are you referring, IanRaj?

Neither Foley or the pages with which he was speaking were married.

If you’re referring to Ed Schrock, you still have provided no proof that he ever cheated on his wife, or that the tapes of him allegedly calling a chat line are valid — since Mike Rogers astonishingly refuses to provide his source or the actual, original tapes themselves.

And as for adultery…….since when have you Clintonites opposed that?

Linda’s bringing up excellent points, and all you can do is fling insults.

As I said, IanRaj….keep talking. You and your fellows are the reason that Dem candidates keep getting sunk in elections — people realize to whom they cater.

Yes, you are so right. Have an Oreo?

IMO it will get worse before it gets better, as the left grows more desperate.

How about the latest “bombshell” ?? 21 year old former page comes forward, and confesses to having sex with Foley. So, now perhaps everyone who has had sex with Foley should come forward? Or, as one blogger said, how about a 21 year old former first grader? That should bust in on the news cycle in a big way.

Or I can point out that now every gay man in government who has a relationship with a younger man has a target on his back. Way to go!

Re the question about legal and illegal WRT Foley’s actions – you are conflating issues that are unrelated. The emails, undeniably sent by Foley, were friendly emails to teenagers he mentored in congress.

The IM’s which may or may not have been Foley’s, so far, are all to individuals over the age of consent. ABC’s presentation has been deliberately imsleading IMO, in order to generate headlines and probably to influence an election.

The sex, so far, has been with adult men of legal age.

Where is the crime??

Foley’s “crime” was bad judgment, probably due to his drinking problem. Agreed, he should not be in congress with the problems he has, but the same can be said of many many people in congress, a large percentage of them democrats.

Foley was targeted by Rogers, and was outed a long time ago; when it did not have the desired effect (ending his career), they went after him another way – his liking for young men, and his lack of judgment, which made him vulnerable.

Dems have sold their souls. With Clinton, they betrayed the women’s movement, showed it for what it isn’t. Recently, they’ve made frantic efforts to get Blacks back onto the plantation – Michael Steele knows what he’s dealing with, and is not afraid. Now they’ve made gay men in government into targets of unreasonable investigations.

What will they do if they do not take congress wiht this election?? It could get ugly.

When Gerry Studds and Mel Reynolds did it, it was no big deal because they were Democrats. As far as we know, the worst of Foley’s offenses fall under the heading, “creepy but (unfortunately) not illegal.” And, unlike Democrats Studds and Reynolds, Foley was driven from office by his party. The Democrat Party rallies around its predators.

Linda, thank you. Now, remember to point out how IanRaj treated you to everyone you know and make it clear to them……the Dems are all like him, people who insult your beliefs, your faith, and your rights when you don’t do exactly as they tell you to do.

If they stay home, or if they vote Democrat, they are putting in power people like IanRaj — people who call them stupid.

Thanks again, IanRaj; you and your mouth are the best arguments for Republicans that I’ve ever seen.

A 38 year old man seduced my 17 year old niece, she got pregnant. Do you know what the district attorney said??? “She’s past the age of consent, it’s her business.”

Now, you may accept the appearance of “guilty behavior” as proof – it would be considered evidence, but not proof. I’m not willing to make that leap in logic.

It’s like the Salem witch trials – out them and see if they resign – if they do they were gay, if they fight back, well, then maybe you were wrong. Nice.

What about Mary Cheney?? Were they outing her?? Oh, no, wait, she was already out. What then??

Re Foley: Anyone familiar with email and IM’s knows that the only way to know if an IM or email is authentic is to look at it while it is either in the “in box” in it’s original form, or to see it archived on the server – or to stand and look over the author’s shoulder while he IM’s. Past that point, they can be altered. Just take one of them, in any email program, and click on “forward.” Even expanded headers can be altered. No one has offered any evidence that the IM’s are actually from Foley. The alleged “witnesses” are anonymous. sorry Charlie, I’ve had it with anonymous sources and fake but accurate.

Ed Schrock is from another generation. So, assume for the sake of argument that his is the voice on that tape – anyone in his generation might react that way. No, I would not hold it against him unless he didn’t do his job. Then he would be voted out – we do not need Rogers and his crew deciding who we should or should not have representing us.

It’s my understanding that a representative represents. That means we tell Ed Shcrock what we want, and he votes that way. It does not mean that he votes the way he thinks. I know I meail Thelma Drake about once a week to tell her what I want.

Finally, I find the stance of the left on these issues the height of hypocracy. Straight men flirt with 17 year old girls all the time. I’m sure straigh congressmen flirt with 17 year old girls – probably 17 year old female pages, too. What made this such a headline??? Foley is gay.

All this is from the people who support teenage girls getting abortions without their parents’ consent. Really, now. Please. Who is the hypocrite?

As usual, the left has miscalculated – they have no clue about conservatives, so they think they threw out some red meat, and the religious right will abandon the republican ship and vote democratic. What a joke. It is not going to happen.

The list strategy is probably already backfiring – I see Rogers is deleting posts from his blog. Did he maybe get a subpoena? Or maybe the DNCC said “delete that, and get lost.”

Like I said, there is a growing backlash to the “outing” business, within the Republican party. Just watch. It is not going to go the way liberals think, and conservative gays who are comfortable with themselves should stand, they will not be alone. They will probably be joined by some liberal gays, hahaha. We republicans do argue among ourselves – we actually have differing views about a lot of things. It’s not a weakness, it’s a strength.

A married man with kids advertising for gay tricks – and apparently getting a few – “did absolutely nothing wrong.” Let me guess, with morals like that, you just have to be a Republican.