http://www.korea-dpr.com/users/norway/documents/KEDO_nuclear_powersupply_agreement.pdf

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2003/200301/news01/11.htm#1
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2005/200502/news02/11.htm#1
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2005/200507/news07/11.htm#1

My understanding of the missile capabilities of the DPRK is that their most advanced missiles would be unable to deliver a warhead to California and, at best, they might be able to reach Alaska. Therefore, I think that the final paragraph of Posting 27 is misleading. If I am wrong on this, please can someone point me to a reliable source to suggest that DPRK missiles could reach, for example, Seattle or San Francisco, as suggested by Posting 11.

Personally, I am surprised that so many people believe that Russia and especially China have much influence over the DPRK. These countries may engage with the DPRK (including trade and the provision of aid), but independence in political terms is the core ideology of the DPRK. “Juche” (the name for this self-reliance adopted by Kim Il-Sung) is credited by residents of the DPRK for protecting their society against undue influence from Russia/China following the Korean War.

My understanding is also that for decades after the Korean War, the DPRK was relatively prosperous among developing countries, and that this relative wealth was developed domestically and by way of regional trade (whereas much of the development of its southern neighbour was by way of U.S. cash injection). The leadership of the DPRK in recent years may be condemned for resulting in a deterioration in living conditions, but assertions that Communism always equates to famine seem incorrect on the facts. Again, should anyone be able to point me to evidence that living conditions in the DPRK were substantially lower than other developing countries during the life of Kim Il-Sung (as opposed to Kim Jong-Il), I would be grateful for a reference to the evidence, since everything that I have come across suggests otherwise.

The call to “nuke the HECK out of North Korea” in Posting 27, to me, is totally abhorrent. The DPRK has a population in excess of 20 million and, if military intelligence on the country is as good as it was concerning Iraq (even that evidence not “sexed up”), chances are that nuclear action would not disable the ability of the DPRK to launch a retaliatory attack. The implications of any such attack – launched by the U.S. – without diplomatic talks face-to-face would, I imagine, result in the rapid erosion of the U.S. in “world power” terms. Is anyone willing to speculate on this?

And funnily enough, the GOP deems to be “too hot” for TV.

You be the judge:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashma.htm

Regards,
Peter H.

“Shrillary” Clinton…since you are such a big fan of “Babs”…

in the words of the beautiful Barbara Streisand…

SHUT THE F— UP!!! Your husband LIED about “plans” to take out Crazy Kim JUST as he lied about Monica…and Whitewater…and so on…and so on…

AND SO ON!!!!!

Look, people…

Clinton had EIGHT DANG YEARS to do something OTHER than “talk” with Kim about his atomic plans…and did NOTHING!!! Whenever a reporter would ask him about what he is going to do about Kim’s nuclear ambitions, Albright would step in and say that EVERYTHING would be handled through “diplomatic channels”…which means that NO MILITARY “ACTIONS” were being planned. Neither by Clinton, NOR by the U.N. Therefore, you libs that are trying to put all of the blame squarely upon Bush’s head is not only wrong and hypocritical…IT IS JUST PLAIN DUMB!

However, I think that Bush Jr. should sholder SOME of this blame because we all KNEW that N. Korea was closer to making an atomic bomb than Hussein was to having his own…but Bush chose to send our troops to Iraq, thinning our national defense even MORE! Therefore, for us gay conservatives to point the finger at Clinton (where MOST of the blame REALLY DOES go) is like the farmer criticizing the rooster for not crowing when the fox got into the chicken coop…because the farmer forgot to lock it up!

Let me say this again: IT IS BOTH BUSH’S AND CLINTON’S FAULT!

Now can we PLEASE stop this political bickering, and nuke the HECK out of North Korea before “Mad King” Kim turns the West Coast of the U.S.A. into a giant microwave???!!!

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/15/nkorea.us/index.html

Yes, dear readers – in 2002, Clinton was over in the Netherlands, and he actually said that he had plans to bomb and take out North Korean nuclear reactors. He somehow just never got around to it, but he had plans to do it. I guess “planning to” means “doing it” in the libtard lexicon. You know, like “planning” to kill OBL but just not getting around to doing it.

And the story is from CNN, so of course it MUST be true…

What’s even more hilarious (in a twisted sort of way) was Shrillary’s comments today during a NY Columbus Day parade: “Some of the reason we are facing this danger is because of the failed policies of the Bush administration, and I regret deeply their failure to deal with the threat posed by North Korea, and I hope that the administration will now adopt a much more effective response than what they have up until now.”

Uh, excuse me, Miss Thang – but these nuclear materials were delivered to Kim Jong Il by your husband! Your husband and his secretary of state and your fearless ex-president, Jimmy Carter, personally delivered the nuclear equipment for this test to take place today. You did this starting in 1994. YOUR HUSBAND DID IT, YOU IGNORANT COW!

I need a drink….

Regards,
Peter H.

Pot, meet kettle.

And yes, I am LARGE in dis house. Know what I’m talkin’ bout? (Hat tip – Shrillary Rodham Moonbat)

Regards,
Peter H.

Didn’t even have to finish this one to know it was. Most the rest on the gay repubs seem a bit more subtle with their prejudices, at least with Mr. H in da house.

“U.S. intelligence agencies say, based on preliminary indications, that North Korea did not produce its first nuclear blast yesterday, WASHINGTON TIMES star reporter Bill Gertz is set to report in Tuesday editions.

“U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that seismic readings show that the conventional high explosives used to create a chain reaction in a plutonium-based device went off, but that the blast’s readings were shy of a typical nuclear detonation.

‘There was a seismic event that registered about 4 on the Richter scale, but it still isn’t clear if it was a nuclear test. You can get that kind of seismic reading from high explosives.’

“The underground explosion, which Pyongyang dubbed a historic nuclear test, is thought to have been the equivalent of several hundred tons of TNT, far short of the several thousand tons of TNT, or kilotons, that are signs of a nuclear blast, the official said. Developing…”

That said, I’d liked to have seen something done. Either dialing up a red pill, or a nice good old fashioned assassination, or (more Sci-fi) a nice large nickle-iron object dropped from Atlantis. “What’s that? Meteor Strike hit your enrichment plant? Tough luck that.”

“What we need is a strong nonproliferation policy with other nations to combat the most serious threat to our national security and to the safety of the world – weapons of mass destruction falling into the hands of terrorists who would smuggle them into our cities.” -Nancy Pelosi 2003

Because the people who want to kill us have such a great track record of honouring treaties.

Here’s my challenge to everyone on the comments. What do -you- think we (meaning the US, Au UK Ca and other western powers) think the answer is?

President Bush is not resonsible for anything negative that has happened over the past 6 years because Bill Clinton was the President for the preceeding 8. That absolves Bush of any responsibility.

Is that the game?

The real impact will be if NK doesn’t foreswear any further development, the Japanese will go almost-nuclear; build their own warheads but not arm them with nuclear-fuel, and certainly amend the Peace Constitution. And Taiwan has the industrial and techical capacity to follow several years after. Is that a good thing?…probably not.

At this rate, I’m not sure I would penalize the PRC if they overthrew the NK government and announced a Protectorate under the doctrine that the territory of NK was at one-point Chinese in culture and tradition. Better the Chinese than the South Koreans….then all parties can negotiate a peaceful transition.

How high of an approval rating do you think Clinton would have had if he had told the truth — that he and his administration were OK with North Korea enriching uranium to build a nuclear bomb as long as they didn’t reprocess plutonium?

Especially the second source, in which the leftist argument is made clear: Bush should have, like Clinton, ignored the fact that the DPRK was enriching uranium to build a nuclear bomb so that they wouldn’t reprocess plutonium to build a nuclear bomb.

If the point was to keep the DPRK from building a nuclear bomb, the Agreed Framework was demonstrably THEN a failure.

Furthermore, your source demonstrates what bumbling fools the Clinton administration was — sending someone who had already demonstrated that he would pander to North Korea, who then negotiated a deal, announced it minutes after sending it to the White House, that not only offered to give North Korea nuclear technology, but also to completely normalize relationships with it.

Next, this:

Bush certainly didn’t prevent them from testing a nuke.

And just how, pray tell, was he supposed to do it?

The correct Pandercrat answer, Britton, is “giving into the blackmail of a brutal, evil dictator who has shown time and again that he will break agreements”.

As I pointed out above, North Korea has completely humiliated China and demonstrated that the DPRK is no puppet of theirs. That, more than anything else, is the good of this situation.

Bush & Co. don’t have the brains or capability or vision that god gave a rock.

We are in this mess because we have a maniacal idiot for president.

What is it with the “uncle Tom” comment?

One thing that bothers me more than anything about groupthink politics, is that apparantly if you step outside the “groupthink” you are declared an uncle tom or some similar name.

Although given that I am a staight female, I am not sure the “uncle tom” fits.

The Agreed Framework specifically prohibited plutonium reprocessing for weapons.

However, what the DPRK started doing was enriching uranium instead to make weapons — which they argued was not prohibited by the Agreed Framework.

And, from a technical standpoint, they were right. The Agreed Framework as written does not prevent them from uranium enrichment; the only thing that comes close is their promise to abide by the 1992 Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, which can be interpreted to preclude it.

This demonstrates that either Democrats are hopelessly ignorant and left a legal loophole for the DPRK to build nuclear bombs — or they deliberately overlooked that fact in order to give the Clinton administration another “diplomatic triumph”.

The Bush administration confronted the DPRK directly about this — and, true to form, the DPRK has continued to stall, bully, and try to force the US to do its bidding, while appeasers like Keogh have demanded that the US give in to a state that has already shown it will violate the spirit of its agreements.

However, performing the nuclear test was utterly stupid — because the DPRK just completely humiliated China.

There are three people you cannot negotiate with – terrorists, lunatics and Kos people. And not necessarily in that order. Hell, we can see examples above of lower-case-losers just throwing verbal bombs instead of discussing issues.

Now, imagine it was Kim Jong-Mentally-Ill and those words were tactical nukes.

I haven’t seen this many people defending a crazy Korean since Margaret Cho had her own sitcom.

Regards,
Peter H.