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Liberals Still Advancing”The List”, Effort Falls Flat

Byron York has a great update on liberals trying to forcibly “out” gay staffers on Capitol Hill by circulating “The List” as reported first by David Corn.

As it turned out, at least two organizations apparently deleted the e-mail, either as part of routine file upkeep or because they weren’t interested in its contents. Others didn’t open the attachment — the list was included as a separate file — fearing that it contained a virus. And some opened it up and didn’t see much that was new. “We work on the Hill,” says one conservative activist. “There weren’t a lot of surprises on the list.” So far, the much hoped-for civil war doesn’t seem to be happening.

But the campaign to spread The List is accomplishing something. It is offering clues about who is behind it.

The version of The List sent to at least some of the conservative organizations originated from the e-mail address hprf@yahoo.com. That is the address of a California-based group, the Health Policy and Research Foundation, an organization devoted mostly to work involving AIDS, that is run by a businessman and former Democratic National Committee staffer named Rick Reidy.

A personal website, rickreidy.com, describes Reidy as a “business and public affairs adviser based in Los Angeles and Washington.” According to the site, Reidy worked for the Democratic National Committee in the 1980s, and today “counsels corporations, labor unions, and non-profit groups in strategies involving venture capital and government lobbying by drawing upon a wide range of personal and professional relationships.”

What seems clearer is that The List, now that it is in the hands of conservative organizations, is not having the effect that its proponents hoped it would. “They have this stereotype of us, the Christian right,” says one conservative activist, “and that stereotype is that we hate homosexuals. But that’s not the case and never has been, and that is why this is falling flat.”

Mary Katharine Ham over at TownHall echoes that in her posting about my reflections on attending the Carolina FreedomNet.

Since we are on the subject of gay conservatives so much of late, I’ll pull this quote. It warmed my heart:

GP:  Lorie specifically said that if you have a unique perspective you get certain demographic and she said her audience includes a lot of gay conservatives. Then she said, “one of the best gay conservative sites is GayPatriot.” Yeaaaaaaa. And at a John Locke event to boot. And nope, I wasn’t stoned. I was embraced.

Imagine that, huh? If you’re surprised, you’re a liberal.

Finally, with regard to “The List”…. you can’t move the goalposts on this one.  There is no shred of evidence that any Republicans are behind the “outing” effort.  This is a liberal-only, politically-motivated smear campaign against gays working in government, and most likely a violation of the civil rights of these Federal employees. 

-Bruce (GayPatriot)

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42 Comments

  1. Count me as someone who is skeptical of the “oh, we don’t care whose gay in the Republican Party; we heart gays, and oops! we accidentally deleted The List” line from some of these social conservatives. The FRC just recently made Trandahl the poster child for Why the Federal Marriage Amendment Didn’t Pass – as if the Clerk of the House had anything to do with that. That leads me to believe that they are quite interested in knowing who is gay on Capitol Hill. That part of the NRO article is not credible in the slightest. The rest of the article about the gay left baiting the bear seems dead-on, though.

    An interesting side note. On Bloggingheadstv, Mickey Kaus claims that at least one of them men on The List (meaning he’s seen it!) is not homosexual. If that is true, then those who are distributing the list are potentially opening themselves to massive legal liability. As I said before, I don’t think most social conservative lobbying organizations are dumb enough to risk legal liability by accidentally stating someone is gay when he is not.

    Comment by Patrick Rothwell — October 10, 2006 @ 1:02 pm - October 10, 2006

  2. Another article from Agape (sic) Press, which suggests that a nasty “Velvet Mafia” covered-up for Foley, when, in fact, the evidence so far seems to be the opposite.

    http://www.wdcmedia.com/newsArticle.php?ID=2010

    Comment by Patrick Rothwell — October 10, 2006 @ 1:18 pm - October 10, 2006

  3. I’m gay and I hope they out all of you fools! You support an authoritarian bunch of fascists! You support a group of idiots, like yourselves! who want to write discrimination into the US constitution! You greedy snarks need to be outed! all of you! and if you weren’t so shamed by your parties church going lunatics who are devout fag haters there wouldn’t be this problem. You are a bunch of cowards!

    Comment by WHO CARES? — October 10, 2006 @ 1:45 pm - October 10, 2006

  4. “I’m gay and I hope they out all of you fools! You support an authoritarian bunch of fascists! You support a group of idiots, like yourselves! who want to write discrimination into the US constitution! You greedy snarks need to be outed! all of you! and if you weren’t so shamed by your parties church going lunatics who are devout fag haters there wouldn’t be this problem. You are a bunch of cowards!”

    See? That’s the great thing about leftists. There’s no reason to parody them. They do it all by themselves.

    Say it loud, and say it proud:

    CHIMPY MCBUSHITLERBURTON LIED SPACE ALIENS DIED!

    Comment by rightwingprof — October 10, 2006 @ 1:52 pm - October 10, 2006

  5. Well, first, the vast majority of the people commenting here are out.

    Second, the Democrats also support writing discrimination into state and Federal constitutions.

    Third, anyone who’s seen Howard Dean’s appearances with Pat Robertson also recognizes that the Dems are more than willing to pander to “church going lunatics”.

    And yet, Who Cares?, people like yourself give these individuals tens of millions of dollars, taken FROM gay people, and endorse them as “pro-gay” and “gay-supportive”.

    In short, pot, meet kettle.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 10, 2006 @ 1:52 pm - October 10, 2006

  6. Fourth, the vast majority of people here are not only out-of-the-closet gays, but strongly OPPOSE the FMA/MPA and don’t hesitate to criticize Bush for it.

    Comment by StopTheBullsh*tAlready! — October 10, 2006 @ 1:59 pm - October 10, 2006

  7. Fifth, it was Democrats who gave us all DADT. DOMA, and the latest ugly revival of “gay=pedophile” hermeneutics for interpreting Foleygate, plus the anti-gay outing witchhunts of which Bruce speaks.

    Comment by StopTheBullsh*tAlready! — October 10, 2006 @ 2:04 pm - October 10, 2006

  8. Hey WhoCares? If you feel that strongly about it, when are you going to demand that Hillary Clinton come out of the closet?

    And as far as the GOP being overrun by a group of church fanatics who hate gays… that’s not true. Here in Michigan, the Catholic Church is one of the biggest supporters of GOP social conservative issues and –as a Catholic– I can tell you we elevate gays to bishop and cardinal status… we hide them when they get caught in sex scandals… we dry ’em out when they slide off the wagon. We like gay priests. Heck, they make up probably 75% of the clergy and all the choir directors… I think it’s the allure of costumes, protocol, ancient authority and inner need to repeatedly atone for their sins that keep em in the robes.

    So, I don’t know which church lunatics you’re mentioning… but I think Fred Phelps as a Democrat says a lot about your “camp” and lunancy.

    But, then, this is a thread about the evil GayLeftBorg’s “List” and intimidation of gay govt workers, isn’t it? Funny how you try to avoid that ditch.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 10, 2006 @ 2:24 pm - October 10, 2006

  9. Poor Comment #3… I feel sorry for you young man or woman. I will keep you in my prayers. Please STOP HATING me for NOT HATING YOU!

    Comment by Ed in Tampa — October 10, 2006 @ 2:33 pm - October 10, 2006

  10. Come on guys.
    Let’s be real. We all know the Dobson wing of the Republicans is influential and the catalyst behind Repub. politics.
    Until we see that wing (Dobson himself would be nice) come out in support of Gay Repubs. all of your self congradulating is moot.
    You can try to sugar coat their beliefs or close your eyes to their influence but we all know that the beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church are not to far from Focus on the Family’s.
    If you want to improve your party – and possibly even get my vote – eject their hate filled puke from your party.

    Comment by keogh — October 10, 2006 @ 2:38 pm - October 10, 2006

  11. Apparently Dobson’s grip over the Democrat Party is even more impressive!!

    It has stopped any criticism by liberals of the repeated “gay=bad” mantra coming from Democrats like Rep. Ken Lucas and Bob Beckel. And it has stopped liberals from criticizing the Gay Pogrom going on throughout the halls of Capitol Hill.

    I guess Party comes first, values and doing what is right are far down the list for LibDems.

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — October 10, 2006 @ 3:14 pm - October 10, 2006

  12. Furthermore, let’s not forget how blind Keogh is to the influence that Pat Robertson and the like have over the Democratic Party.

    Funny how Keogh’s all for “hate-filled puke” when Democrats spew it, isn’t he?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 10, 2006 @ 3:37 pm - October 10, 2006

  13. Hey GP,

    You say there is a “pogram” afoot. Do you know whether anyone yet has lost their job as a result of the unholy alliance between the FRC and the gay left?

    Comment by Patrick Rothwell — October 10, 2006 @ 3:41 pm - October 10, 2006

  14. Bruce,
    Get Real.
    We know he represents a significant base of your party. By denying that you are closeing your eyes.
    We know that he views homosexuals as a threat to America.
    Yet,
    Rove discusses judges with him.
    Boehner and First discuss policy with him.
    Bush prays with him.

    While your eyes are closed you put yourself in danger and ally yourself with your worst enemy….Dobson.

    Comment by keogh — October 10, 2006 @ 4:09 pm - October 10, 2006

  15. NDT,
    Do you even read the links you post?

    Comment by keogh — October 10, 2006 @ 4:11 pm - October 10, 2006

  16. Thanks for that link NDT in comment 12.

    Hey, didn’t Dean say “I HATE REPUBLICANS & EVERYTHING THEY STAND FOR!”

    Now he is cheezing up the the Evangelicals who are most likely those white folks that are most likely Republicans that HE HATES!

    Oh yeah, THEY PROBABLY NEVER WORKED FOR A LIVING IN THEIR LIVES EITHER!

    Comment by Ed in Tampa — October 10, 2006 @ 4:22 pm - October 10, 2006

  17. Re: keogh “If you want to improve your party – and possibly even get my vote – eject their hate filled puke from your party.” Perhaps you should work on the Democrat side begininng with the bedrock of the base – the Black Church.

    Comment by BoBo — October 10, 2006 @ 4:57 pm - October 10, 2006

  18. WHO CARES? sounds like that wild-eyed “gay activist” O’Reilly had on last night who threatened to release NAMES as he wiped away spittle. “EMEMIES OF GAYSzzz” he hissed as he wrung his hands…

    O’Reilly should have asked him if he was going to out any Democrat who voted against gay marriage. That would have sent him slithering under the rock he came from.

    Comment by Tom — October 10, 2006 @ 5:17 pm - October 10, 2006

  19. Dodge Weave Spin.
    That is what you guys do when confronted with the fact the religious right is THE voice in republican policy.
    Are you blind to its influence?
    Perhaps you guys spend too much time in DC and CA where being gay is more accepted. Here in small town heartland it can cause real problems and the Dobson republicans are becoming a danger to gays.
    How can you just let this crap continue without at least a reasoned critique of their goals?
    I have never read anything here that is critical of Dobson or the Family Research Council. I hope I just missed those critiques…

    Comment by keogh — October 10, 2006 @ 5:45 pm - October 10, 2006

  20. Dodge Weave Spin.
    That is what you guys do when confronted with the fact the religious right is THE voice in republican policy.

    And somehow, Keogh’s screams get more desperate when you provide examples that prove he wouldn’t know pandering to the religious right if it bit him.

    That’s why your criticism is rather pointless, keogh; it has nothing to do with gay rights, but everything to do with party affiliation.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 10, 2006 @ 5:59 pm - October 10, 2006

  21. This Outing Campaign Would Work a Whole Lot Better If You Conservatives Would Hate Gays a Little More, Like You’re Supposed To….

    Byron York reports on the peddling of “The List,” which I mentioned last week.
    He’s tracking down the source, which appears to be a small non-profit AIDS education group in California. But what interests me is this part:

    As it turned out, at……

    Trackback by Mary Katharine Ham — October 10, 2006 @ 6:10 pm - October 10, 2006

  22. I think the Christian right doesn’t care as much about who is gay in the GOP as the left thinks they do.

    Comment by just me — October 10, 2006 @ 6:28 pm - October 10, 2006

  23. No conservative ever called me a faggot.

    Comment by V the K — October 10, 2006 @ 7:07 pm - October 10, 2006

  24. #23: They’ve seen your Thursday photos.

    Comment by Attmay — October 10, 2006 @ 9:23 pm - October 10, 2006

  25. #24: True dat, but then again, there was the whole ‘World Cup’ series.

    Comment by V the K — October 10, 2006 @ 9:36 pm - October 10, 2006

  26. Question…when exactly are the Dems going to talk about the issues and stop all the internet dirty talk monguering? Until some 16 or 17 yr old produces a stained pair of blue shorts I’m a bit more concerned about NOKO nukes, securing pensions, freedon in Iraq, and maintaining the strongest economy in the world. Foley quit and is gone. Wm. Jefferson of Lousianna (of hard cold cash fame) is still in Congress.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — October 10, 2006 @ 9:46 pm - October 10, 2006

  27. Tom, in 18, who was that creep on O’Reilly? After reading Bruce’s post I, too, was going to comment on that guy. As I recall he claimed he originally outed Mark Foley and said he planned to out two or three gay Republcan Members of Congress in the coming several weeks.

    And, V the K, perhaps no conservative has called you a faggot to your face. But when Dr. James Dobson goes on Larry King Live or Hannity and Colmes and rants about ho-MO-sex-U-ALs he smears every gay person.

    BTW, did anyone see the TV interview with Tony Perkins of the Family Rsearch Council? Discussing Foley, he said he thought those who believe in a Republican big tent had made the tent a little too big. In the context of his remarks, he wasn’t just referring to the Foley — he was referring to all gay Republicans. At least that’s the way I interpreted it.

    Comment by Ashley Hunter — October 11, 2006 @ 1:18 am - October 11, 2006

  28. Of course the far right FRC, FOF, etc crowd has the long knives out for gay Republicans! They used to hide their rhetoric, but now openly call all gays pedophiles and pederasts, etc. Anyone believing otherwise is just fooling themselves.

    Comment by GOPValues — October 11, 2006 @ 1:38 am - October 11, 2006

  29. Regarding the raving maniac on Bill O’Reilly’s show, about whom Tom (in 18) and I both commented, it was Mike Rogers of Blogactive. He claims he is about to out two or three gay Republican Members of Congress.

    Several leftwing bloggers are speculating that one of them is a Congressman McHenry (from North Carolina, I think). While I don’t believe it — and this will blow your mind — there is some buzz among leftwing bloggers that the Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert will be “outed”. That possihle allegation is apparently based on the fact that Hastert, his 56-year-old unmarried chief of staff and another member of the Speaker’s staff live together in Washington. Supposedly, the Speaker and his chief of staff have lived together for quite some time.

    It’s one thing to ask legitimate questions about which members of the House GOP leadership knew what about Mark Foley, when they knew it and what they did about it. But if the left makes allegations about Speaker Hastert’s sexual orientation just weeks before a crossroads mid-term election the left has reached a new low in despicable politics.

    Comment by Ashley Hunter — October 11, 2006 @ 2:55 am - October 11, 2006

  30. “But if the left makes allegations about Speaker Hastert’s sexual orientation just weeks before a crossroads mid-term election the left has reached a new low in despicable politics. ”

    Not unlike the low the right reached when it called people and told them McCain had a black baby. GASP!

    Hypocrites.

    Comment by DanielFTL — October 11, 2006 @ 4:33 am - October 11, 2006

  31. Question…when exactly are the Dems going to talk about the issues and stop all the internet dirty talk monguering?

    Never. If the Democrats talk about issues, they lose. Which is why Pelosi’s whole philosophy has been to hide their agenda and focus on personal attacks.

    Comment by V the K — October 11, 2006 @ 5:43 am - October 11, 2006

  32. DanielFtL writes: “Not unlike the low the right reached when it called people and told them McCain had a black baby. GASP! Hypocrites.”

    Actually DannieBoi, it wasn’t the “right” –unless you mean that vast RightWingConspiracy who last pushed Impeachment upon your good Prez… oh wait, you guys inside the GayLeftBorg also think they fabricated the WMDs intelligence that led us into Iraq too.

    Nope, it wasn’t the “right”; it wasn’t “Rove and the WH” no matter what pluckyRichDavis (McCain’s 2000 CampMgr) is said to have thought as reported on the vast LeftWingBlog of the Democrats. He clearly thinks otherwise.

    Kind of like the allegations that AlGore was behind the spurious and mean spirited rumors in NH-2000 that Bill Bradley was a bigoted homophobe.

    I think what you fail to appreciate, DannieBoi, is that most politicians and Parties are hypocrites of the 1st Order. So are MSM “leaders”, so are academic elites, so are business leaders, so are clergy etc. It’s up to the listener to determine if that hypocrisy “sells” or is invalid. For you it seems, if it comes from the Left or the GayLeftBorg, it sells –it’s truth.

    Two years ago, the GayLeftBorg members were suggesting that soon2b Chief Justice Roberts was gay given three things: his seemingly analish complusion for neatness, his seemingly inability to father children, his wife’s seemingly Stepfordishness. It was a smear worthy of LBJ’s Daisy Girl ad in the 1964 race… which was developed by bigwig Democrat Tony Schwartz –king of the smear back then.

    Of course, it wasn’t true for Justice Roberts but it made the slimebags inside the GayLeftBorg feel pretty good for a few days. And the ultimate point of pleasure for you guys was: “OK, prove he’s not gay, then”. That smear didn’t work, either. Nor did the “black baby” push-poll comments in the SC primary cause McCain to lose support of state voters –McCain’s record lost it for him there… and it was the same record that had obverse appeal to MichGOP primary voters.

    DannieBoi, there’s a lot of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle and it gets to fevered pitch level during a campaign when the “professional” political actors are generally replaced by volunteer campaigners and loosely allied organizations helping the candidates. It was that way in GeoWashington’s first non-race for Prez… and it’ll be that way in 2008, too.

    While you might see “hypocrisy”… I see you as a partisan apologist trying to make political points from the cheap seats. Is that any more valid than your point of the McCain black baby smear was from the “right”? Nope.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 11, 2006 @ 10:00 am - October 11, 2006

  33. “They have this stereotype of us, the Christian right,” says one conservative activist, “and that stereotype is that we hate homosexuals. But that’s not the case and never has been, and that is why this is falling flat.”

    Point and match.

    Comment by rightwingprof — October 11, 2006 @ 10:02 am - October 11, 2006

  34. and keogh, I can take issue with Dobson et al and have. Not a problem for any gay GOPer.

    Can you take issue with the GayLeftBorg’s use of outing for partisan political gain against your fellow gay brothers?

    When did you head over to Mikey’s or JA’s slimeblog and state that this kind of outing is immoral and hurtful to our community’s long term goals? And in honor of the memory of raj-general-of-the-lower-case-clan, cites please.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 11, 2006 @ 10:03 am - October 11, 2006

  35. I guess those people didn’t get those calls Matt because you said so. Neat.

    Comment by DanielFTL — October 11, 2006 @ 11:00 am - October 11, 2006

  36. Neat and truthful, DannieBoi. You could learn a lot.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 11, 2006 @ 11:43 am - October 11, 2006

  37. Not from you.

    Comment by DanielFTL — October 11, 2006 @ 11:48 am - October 11, 2006

  38. Meh, I still prefer Focus on the Family to the ACLU any day. I mean, say what you will about James Dobson, but at least he’s never advocated for the right of pedophiles to distribute instructions for raping and murdering children, or helped terrorists communicate with their imprisoned leaders.

    Comment by V the K — October 11, 2006 @ 12:20 pm - October 11, 2006

  39. Nor has James Dobson supported the use of federal lawsuits to hamstring the NSA’s efforts to monitor those terrorists, VdaK… unlike our fellow commenter here Mr DanielFtL.

    http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:H9B9TLJohTMJ:www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NSASubpoena.pdf+daniel+reimann&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

    You could learn about patriotism, DannieBoi. That’d be a big start in the Right…opps, correct… direction.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 11, 2006 @ 12:42 pm - October 11, 2006

  40. And before anyone whines about comparing apples to oranges, I recognize that FOTF and the ACLU operate in different ways and pursue their goals through different venues. FOTF functions through research and advocacy, the ACLU through litigation. My comment was speaking to the core values and missions of those organizations:

    FOTF: Strengthen and uphold traditional values.

    ACLU: Help terrorists destroy America, help atheists destroy Christians, help pedophiles destroy children.

    Comment by V the K — October 11, 2006 @ 12:59 pm - October 11, 2006

  41. If fell flat because the entire business is an exercise in Republican strawman construction. Note how how many organizations are said to have received this devastating list. “Several.” “Two.”

    Some witch hunt.

    Comment by JonathanG — October 11, 2006 @ 5:37 pm - October 11, 2006

  42. Matt, I am not in favor of the NSA listening in on American conversations, but what bothers me even more than that is ATT turning over the records to the NSA. Of course you know how I feel about that already.

    Also, the things that make me proud to be an American are different than the things that make you proud to be an American. That makes both of us patriotic, in different beliefs and ways.

    Comment by DanielFTL — October 12, 2006 @ 2:50 pm - October 12, 2006

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