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Log Cabin Takes Stand on Foley Kerfuffle, Condemns Outing

Yesterday afternoon, I — and all those on Log Cabin’s listserv — received an e-mail from Patrick Sammon, Executive Vice President of Log Cabin on the Mark Foley “scandal.” On the whole, I thought it was a solid letter. He joins us and many others in calling the former Congressman’s behavior “despicable,” but made clear that his “sexual orientation is irrelevant to this story. . . . His behavior was shameful whether he is gay or straight.”

He noted something I feared would happen that “anti-gay groups have used this awful situation to push their divisive agenda.” And he shares my belief that “Unduly politicizing this situation will backfire on Democrats.”

But, importantly to us, Patrick has come out squarely against “outing:”

We also criticize those who are using this scandal to push heir outing efforts of gay Republicans. Log Cabin unequivocally opposes outing. I am unaware of a single forced outing that led to passage of one piece of pro-gay legislation. Coming out on your own terms with courage is a positive catalyst for change. Forced outings don’t advance our movement because they’re motivated by vengeance and they distract us from what’s really important. Those who are trying to out gay Republicans should be ashamed.

Exactly. Just three days ago Bruce noted Log Cabin’s silence on the “List” of gay Republican staffers. We’re delighted that Log Cabin has finally taken a clear stand on this issue.

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  1. Those who are trying to out gay Republicans should be ashamed.

    Problem is that those who approve of it have no concept of shame.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 10, 2006 @ 2:12 am - October 10, 2006

  2. Blind squirrel. Meet acorn.

    So there still is some vestigial Republicanism in Log Cabin! I can understand the Gay Patriots wanting an orgnized homosexual voice within the Republican Party, but I don’t get how you think you can re-image Log Cabin into that advocate. Log Cabin has evolved into yet another useless squishy-left victim-advocacy group.

    A true voice for gay Republicans would be unapologetically libertarian inside the country and aggressive in fighting the War on Terror outside. Log Cabin is neither. As I said before, the only use I have for Log Cabin is something to put on my morning pancakes.

    Comment by Rhodium Heart — October 10, 2006 @ 2:39 am - October 10, 2006

  3. -A true voice for gay Republicans would be unapologetically libertarian inside the country and aggressive in fighting the War on Terror outside.-

    Unless other gay Republican groups form, then LCR is the only one around. I think they have an important position, even if they aren’t perfect. At least it’s an alternative to blaming everything on gays or Democrats and rarely taking anti-gay forces on the right to task.

    Comment by Carl — October 10, 2006 @ 5:12 am - October 10, 2006

  4. I agree with Patrick. I just wish he’d also say that those who remain in the closet for political gain should also be ashmamed (much more ashamed, if you ask me).

    Comment by kdogg36 — October 10, 2006 @ 7:55 am - October 10, 2006

  5. With friends like you guys, who needs enemies? I got the Log Cabin email and could not have agreed with it more strongly. Something tells me most of you guys will never be happy no matter what LCR does. For ONCE you have to realize that all gays are being attacked here, and there is nothing “victim”-like about their statement.

    Maybe, just maybe, it’s time to band together against the real enemy out there instead of hurling insults and venom at Log Cabin.

    I for one, am glad they’re there.

    Comment by Will — October 10, 2006 @ 10:22 am - October 10, 2006

  6. So how exactly do you get on the LCR list serve. I’ve tried to join LCR-DC with no success. They’ve cashed my check, of course, but I never recieved any mailings or information on events or meetings. I followed up with a couple of notes to Tobias and was again ignored. I guess they’re not very interested in expanding membership, but have no problem cashing checks.

    Comment by James — October 10, 2006 @ 10:40 am - October 10, 2006

  7. Just call or email the national office. It should be listed somewhere on the LCR website.

    Comment by Will — October 10, 2006 @ 11:09 am - October 10, 2006

  8. Will, while I may have done the post in a hurry, I intended the post to show that I agreed with the letter, having written “On the whole, I thought it was a solid letter.” And using the word “exactly” to describe the paragraph on outing.

    Yes, we have been critical of Log Cabin, but your comment notwithstanding, we’re pretty happy with this letter.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — October 10, 2006 @ 12:04 pm - October 10, 2006

  9. I just wish he’d also say that those who remain in the closet for political gain should also be ashmamed (much more ashamed, if you ask me).

    Personally, I’ve always believed that one of the biggest similarities between the religious right and the gay left was the use of shame to try to control other peoples’ behavior that was really none of their business.

    Maybe, just maybe, it’s time to band together against the real enemy out there instead of hurling insults and venom at Log Cabin.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 10, 2006 @ 12:52 pm - October 10, 2006

  10. And, for some reason, since it was left off, my response to Will: if Log Cabin wants my alliance with them against outing, they need to explain why Mike Rogers and John Aravosis both publicly said that Log Cabin (and HRC) staffers were helping their outing campaign.

    When they decide to band against our real enemy, who are the Democrat gays who are carrying out these campaigns, then we will talk.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 10, 2006 @ 12:54 pm - October 10, 2006

  11. Personally, I’ve always believed that one of the biggest similarities between the religious right and the gay left was the use of shame to try to control other peoples’ behavior that was really none of their business.

    I’m not a member of the gay left by any stretch of the imagination.

    I agree that a person’s sexual orientation is none of my business. That does not mean that I can’t condemn someone who values political success (in any party) over living openly and honestly.

    Comment by kdogg36 — October 10, 2006 @ 1:35 pm - October 10, 2006

  12. I agree that a person’s sexual orientation is none of my business. That does not mean that I can’t condemn someone who values political success (in any party) over living openly and honestly.

    Actually, it DOES mean that.

    If sexual orientation is none of your business, then don’t bother condemning people based on it.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 10, 2006 @ 1:53 pm - October 10, 2006

  13. kdogg36, NDXXX has it exactly right… it is none of your business and you DON’T have grounds to condemn anyone regarding their in/out standing… let alone thinking that your political persuasion gives you the right to expect other gays to adhere to some of those “personal” preferences about “living openly and honestly” as the GayLeftBorg demands.

    Your defense of outing people for partisan gain says a lot about any value your opinion might provide on issues of moral concern.

    Outing is wrong. It is intimidation of fellow gays. What’s next on your agenda, Iranian-styled hangings for GOP staffers after a brief trial before the GayLeftBorg magistrate?

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 10, 2006 @ 2:40 pm - October 10, 2006

  14. I agree that a person’s sexual orientation is none of my business. That does not mean that I can’t condemn someone who values political success (in any party) over living openly and honestly.

    Here’s the thing about the gay-manipulating left. They only want to out gay conservatives. There are plenty of closeted left-liberal Dems roaming the Halls of Congress, whether as staffers or as members. Why don’t the self-hating Gays of the Left “out” those Dems if the closet is so poisonous and it’s so terrible to put political expediency above honesty? Is it because their words are empty of meaning? Is it because it’s all a ruse to advance a partisan agenda? Is it because they will cheer on a left-wing agenda even if (or even “because”) it is advanced by backstabbing of other Gay Americans? Must be fun trying to ruin their lives of gay conservatives who don’t buy into the leftist groupthink.

    I thought that part of the goal of the gay rights movement was that people were entitled to live the sexual side of their life any way they wanted (as long as children, non-consenting adults, animals and some vegetables were not harmed in the process). I guess I thought wrong.

    I’ll give Log Cabin grudging credit that they’re generally more intellectually honest on this issue than the MoveOn.Org enslaved Left. Log Cabin’s politics are too left-liberal for my taste, but, hey, they’re not much further leftward than Lincoln Chafee or George Pataki or Christopher Shays. And two of those three are actual Republicans.

    Comment by Rhodium Heart — October 10, 2006 @ 2:44 pm - October 10, 2006

  15. NorthDallas30 wrote:
    “And, for some reason, since it was left off, my response to Will: if Log Cabin wants my alliance with them against outing, they need to explain why Mike Rogers and John Aravosis both publicly said that Log Cabin (and HRC) staffers were helping their outing campaign.”

    This is absurd. Just because Mike Rogers and John Aravosis said it, that doesn’t make it true. I’m blown away that you would believe them, over the very simple, unequivocal statement from Log Cabin:

    “We also criticize those who are using this scandal to push heir outing efforts of gay Republicans. Log Cabin unequivocally opposes outing. I am unaware of a single forced outing that led to passage of one piece of pro-gay legislation. Coming out on your own terms with courage is a positive catalyst for change. Forced outings don’t advance our movement because they’re motivated by vengeance and they distract us from what’s really important. Those who are trying to out gay Republicans should be ashamed.”

    How you can take that and spin it into an LCR conspiracy with liberals like Rogers, Aravosis & HRC is ridiculous.

    Focus on the bad guys here. Hint: It’s not Log Cabin.

    Comment by Will — October 10, 2006 @ 3:55 pm - October 10, 2006

  16. The List…

    Politics is unscrupulous, short sighted and hypocritical as often as not, so the revelations that various left wing and liberal front groups and some Democratic politicians have known about Mark Foleys inappropriate conduct for some time is unsurprisin…

    Trackback by A Second Hand Conjecture — October 10, 2006 @ 4:42 pm - October 10, 2006

  17. This is absurd. Just because Mike Rogers and John Aravosis said it, that doesn’t make it true.

    Then I would suggest that LCR denounce both it and them in the strongest terms possible.

    But until then, prudence would dictate that it is the truth and that we should act accordingly.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 10, 2006 @ 5:35 pm - October 10, 2006

  18. #13: “Your defense of outing people for partisan gain says a lot about any value your opinion might provide on issues of moral concern.”

    This makes me think I’m wasting my time expressing my thoughts carefully here, because I have in no way defended outing people against their will. Several times on a few different threads, I’ve said that outing people against their will is despicable, and remaining closeted for political gain is even more despicable. In the thread “Natl. Gay & Lesbian Task Force Strongly Condemns Gay Outing Witchhunt,” NorthDallasThirty in fact agreed with that sentiment (comments #22-24).

    It’s just very upsetting to have ideas attributed to me that aren’t mine at all. I suspect it’s because some people on this blog lump all ideas they oppose together in the category of “leftism” and assume that someone who holds one of those ideas holds them all. I am just plain not a leftist — I support no use of government to cure social ills, period. I oppose all taxation, no redistribution of income, period. I am a pure capitalist. These are in fact the very reasons that I despise Bush and the GOP.

    Comment by kdogg36 — October 10, 2006 @ 8:55 pm - October 10, 2006

  19. It’s just very upsetting to have ideas attributed to me that aren’t mine at all. I suspect it’s because some people on this blog lump all ideas they oppose together in the category of “leftism” and assume that someone who holds one of those ideas holds them all.

    Don’t take this knee-jerk conservatism personally. It says more about those jerking their knees than it does about you.

    Now, when I grew up as a conservative, I always figured that true conservatives would be big enough to apologize when they jump to conclusions. This is based on the idea that I always considered them more intellectually honest than their liberal counterparts. I guess we’ll see if my assumptions were themselves conclusions I should never have jumped to.

    I am just plain not a leftist — I support no use of government to cure social ills, period. I oppose all taxation, no redistribution of income, period. I am a pure capitalist. These are in fact the very reasons that I despise Bush and the GOP.

    You’re not the only one. Some of us have already figured out that there is more to the American political spectrum than right-wing Republicans and left-wing Democrats: there are also people who can actually THINK.

    Comment by CoolBreezeTX — October 10, 2006 @ 9:15 pm - October 10, 2006

  20. If someone in politics works to advance anti-gay legislation while being gay themselves, they need to be outed at once. I am not going to cooperate with them in the destruction of my rights! No kindness for homophobes.

    Comment by Terry — October 11, 2006 @ 11:57 am - October 11, 2006

  21. Then are you planning to out and publicly humiliate all the gays who worked on the Kerry campaign, especially given his endorsement of state constitutional amendments to strip gays of rights?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 11, 2006 @ 12:28 pm - October 11, 2006

  22. NDXXX, wow those are some quiet crickets chirping in the Texas fields, the Florida swamps and kdogg’s backyard.

    They won’t indict Kerry because for them, the Ends justify any Means.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 11, 2006 @ 12:37 pm - October 11, 2006

  23. Well, personally, Matt, I give kdogg a lot of credit, and I do think you were a bit harsh on him. I’ve never seen him advocate outing at all, much less for partisan gain.

    It’s important that we realize that there ARE sane liberals out there and that, quite honestly, we need them to help deal with the insane ones. It’s not fair to take them down with the Rogers types in their midst.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 11, 2006 @ 2:10 pm - October 11, 2006

  24. NorthDallasThirty: Thank you for setting the record straight; I don’t support outing anyone against his or her will.

    Matt: I don’t know why you and a few others here seem to think I like Democrats and Kerry. I have never voted for a Democrat in my life for any office; I have voted (and volunteered) for Republicans, though not since 1996.

    If you want to call me an anti-establishment nut, well, there may be merit to that, but I’m certainly not a Democrat or anyone who’d defend Kerry. 🙂 I have no clue why so many gay people voted for him when he supports turning back the clock in his own home state. He should be ashamed, and gay people should be ashamed for voting for him. If a lot of gay people had gotten together and voted for a protest candidate who supported marriage equality, it would have sent an unmistakable message that the gay vote couldn’t be taken for granted. As it was, gay Kerry voters lost the election, and insured that the Democrats will keep pandering rather than really caring about their concerns.

    Comment by kdogg36 — October 11, 2006 @ 3:06 pm - October 11, 2006

  25. Wow, who knew that an innocent little sojourn beyond the rational realms of libertarian chatrooms would yield such a rich result.

    NDXXX, wow those are some quiet crickets chirping in the Texas fields, the Florida swamps and kdogg’s backyard.

    They won’t indict Kerry because for them, the Ends justify any Means.

    Thanks Michigan-Matt for proving that it’s not only liberals who cannot read, and setting the record straight that liberals aren’t the only ones who resort to ad hominems when they have little left to contribute.

    Can I play the game too? Here’s my contribution: Eh, what can you expect from the State that crapped out shitbags like Michael Moore?

    Comment by CoolBreezeTX — October 16, 2006 @ 10:54 pm - October 16, 2006

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