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	<title>Comments on: Clarifying my Quote in the Times of London</title>
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		<title>By: Axel</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/10/19/clarifying-my-quote-in-the-times-of-london/comment-page-1/#comment-22746</link>
		<dc:creator>Axel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Build a bridge! I can&#039;t think of a less appealing idea. I have no intentions of compromising my values and beliefs in order to please a gay liberal, and I know from experience how unpleasant they are when they meet a conservative. I hope the river or bay or whatever it is that separates us gets wider!  The fact that such a thing would be suggested just illustrates how they define people by things like sexuality, race, gender or whatever.A person who did this is what used to be called a bigot, now they call it enlightened and consider someone obstinate or ignorant for not becomeing a faceless nameless gay robot .When faced with the fact that gay people think differently  they insist on obliterating  that personal  individuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Build a bridge! I can&#8217;t think of a less appealing idea. I have no intentions of compromising my values and beliefs in order to please a gay liberal, and I know from experience how unpleasant they are when they meet a conservative. I hope the river or bay or whatever it is that separates us gets wider!  The fact that such a thing would be suggested just illustrates how they define people by things like sexuality, race, gender or whatever.A person who did this is what used to be called a bigot, now they call it enlightened and consider someone obstinate or ignorant for not becomeing a faceless nameless gay robot .When faced with the fact that gay people think differently  they insist on obliterating  that personal  individuality.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might be cut from different cloth...I don&#039;t think two wrongs make a right.

NDT, please check your e-mal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be cut from different cloth&#8230;I don&#8217;t think two wrongs make a right.</p>
<p>NDT, please check your e-mal.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/10/19/clarifying-my-quote-in-the-times-of-london/comment-page-1/#comment-22748</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16 - Well said, ND30.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16 &#8211; Well said, ND30.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How is a bridge to be built between both parties within the community if there is no support to hold the bridge up?&lt;/i&gt;

Put bluntly, James, the conservative side is not the one cutting the cables and setting dynamite at the pilings.

This is also why more gays like myself are starting to question why we want a bridge in the first place.

To me, much of the &quot;bridge-building&quot; rhetoric is coming from groups and people that, several years ago, spat on our advice and disdainfully said they didn&#039;t need help from our kind. HRC, for example, never uttered a kind word for a gay Republican -- and in fact, had staffers working on Aravosis&#039;s and Rogers&#039;s harassment and threats campaigns against Republicans -- until they blew tens of millions of dollars, endorsements, and their credibility in 2004 on a cadre of losing candidates who, by their definition, were hateful bigoted homophobes.

In short, they ditched and dissed us because they had moonbats -- and are now crying for our help because their moonbats a) aren&#039;t controllable, b) are making complete fools out of them, and c) driving away their other supporters and donors.

Meanwhile, we&#039;ve managed to do quite nicely ourselves over here, with many out Republican gays holding high positions in government and in corporate America, and slowly but surely getting protections, such as the new pension bill that allows you to leave retirement funds without severe tax consequences to unrelated individuals, passed.

I say we let them dynamite the bridge and leave them running around, their moonbats swooping down and pecking out their eyes, like a re-imagining of &quot;The Birds&quot;.

To summarize, GPW is not destroying the bridge; he&#039;s simply pointing out the enormous amount of effort that the gay left is putting into demolishing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How is a bridge to be built between both parties within the community if there is no support to hold the bridge up?</i></p>
<p>Put bluntly, James, the conservative side is not the one cutting the cables and setting dynamite at the pilings.</p>
<p>This is also why more gays like myself are starting to question why we want a bridge in the first place.</p>
<p>To me, much of the &#8220;bridge-building&#8221; rhetoric is coming from groups and people that, several years ago, spat on our advice and disdainfully said they didn&#8217;t need help from our kind. HRC, for example, never uttered a kind word for a gay Republican &#8212; and in fact, had staffers working on Aravosis&#8217;s and Rogers&#8217;s harassment and threats campaigns against Republicans &#8212; until they blew tens of millions of dollars, endorsements, and their credibility in 2004 on a cadre of losing candidates who, by their definition, were hateful bigoted homophobes.</p>
<p>In short, they ditched and dissed us because they had moonbats &#8212; and are now crying for our help because their moonbats a) aren&#8217;t controllable, b) are making complete fools out of them, and c) driving away their other supporters and donors.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, we&#8217;ve managed to do quite nicely ourselves over here, with many out Republican gays holding high positions in government and in corporate America, and slowly but surely getting protections, such as the new pension bill that allows you to leave retirement funds without severe tax consequences to unrelated individuals, passed.</p>
<p>I say we let them dynamite the bridge and leave them running around, their moonbats swooping down and pecking out their eyes, like a re-imagining of &#8220;The Birds&#8221;.</p>
<p>To summarize, GPW is not destroying the bridge; he&#8217;s simply pointing out the enormous amount of effort that the gay left is putting into demolishing it.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brucelein,

The quote was accurate but also included a generalization.  Generalizations are rarely good.  How is a bridge to be built between both parties within the community if there is no support to hold the bridge up?

Yes, gay activists can be and are intolerant, but we&#039;re not all intolerant.  If one espouses personal accountability, one can control one&#039;s own (re)actions, but not those of another person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brucelein,</p>
<p>The quote was accurate but also included a generalization.  Generalizations are rarely good.  How is a bridge to be built between both parties within the community if there is no support to hold the bridge up?</p>
<p>Yes, gay activists can be and are intolerant, but we&#8217;re not all intolerant.  If one espouses personal accountability, one can control one&#8217;s own (re)actions, but not those of another person.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the quote as published too.  I have lost many gay friends when they found out I was republican, however not a single republican friend has abandon our friendship because I am gay.  I had a friend of 6 years find out I was republican, because I had to come out of the conservative closet to him - he simply got up walked out the door and I have never seen him again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the quote as published too.  I have lost many gay friends when they found out I was republican, however not a single republican friend has abandon our friendship because I am gay.  I had a friend of 6 years find out I was republican, because I had to come out of the conservative closet to him &#8211; he simply got up walked out the door and I have never seen him again.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan-

I don&#039;t think you should apologize or clarify.  I completely agree with the quote as it was published!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan-</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you should apologize or clarify.  I completely agree with the quote as it was published!</p>
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		<title>By: kdogg36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdogg36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10: I&#039;ll tell you one thing... in my experience it&#039;s far easier to come out as gay than, for instance, to come out as an opponent of government education (just one specific example).  If I just blurt that out before someone knows what I&#039;m about, they reflexively dismiss what I have to say.  It&#039;s a nuanced process for sure. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10: I&#8217;ll tell you one thing&#8230; in my experience it&#8217;s far easier to come out as gay than, for instance, to come out as an opponent of government education (just one specific example).  If I just blurt that out before someone knows what I&#8217;m about, they reflexively dismiss what I have to say.  It&#8217;s a nuanced process for sure. <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TGC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TGC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’d missed it too, then last night, recalling the interview, I did a search on their site and discovered the quote.&lt;/i&gt;

Set up Google Alerts for yourself under both names. I have and it&#039;s interesting what comes up. I found my full name and location on a site where it should not have been (I didn&#039;t put it there), contacted the site and they promptly removed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’d missed it too, then last night, recalling the interview, I did a search on their site and discovered the quote.</i></p>
<p>Set up Google Alerts for yourself under both names. I have and it&#8217;s interesting what comes up. I found my full name and location on a site where it should not have been (I didn&#8217;t put it there), contacted the site and they promptly removed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To echo your quote - Here in Dallas our motto is that it&#039;s easier to come out as gay than as a Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To echo your quote &#8211; Here in Dallas our motto is that it&#8217;s easier to come out as gay than as a Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriotWest</title>
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		<dc:creator>GayPatriotWest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calarato, I&#039;d missed it too, then last night, recalling the interview, I did a search on their site and discovered the quote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calarato, I&#8217;d missed it too, then last night, recalling the interview, I did a search on their site and discovered the quote.</p>
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		<title>By: kdogg36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdogg36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5 Peter: &lt;b&gt;Conservatives appraise you for WHO you are.
Liberals appraise you for WHAT you are.&lt;/b&gt;

If only, then, the GOP was actually governed by what you describe as conservatives.  It really hasn&#039;t been during the course of my adult life, though in the mid-1990s I mistakenly thought it was.

As I&#039;ve said before, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s that much difference between my political values and those on here who describe themselves as conservatives.  The difference is that I don&#039;t think the GOP today embodies those values in any respect.  Neither establishment party really respects (tolerates) each person&#039;s right to self-determination.  Thus, my disillusionment with establishment politics in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 Peter: <b>Conservatives appraise you for WHO you are.<br />
Liberals appraise you for WHAT you are.</b></p>
<p>If only, then, the GOP was actually governed by what you describe as conservatives.  It really hasn&#8217;t been during the course of my adult life, though in the mid-1990s I mistakenly thought it was.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said before, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s that much difference between my political values and those on here who describe themselves as conservatives.  The difference is that I don&#8217;t think the GOP today embodies those values in any respect.  Neither establishment party really respects (tolerates) each person&#8217;s right to self-determination.  Thus, my disillusionment with establishment politics in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, congrats on being quoted in the Times last week!  (I&#039;d missed that.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, congrats on being quoted in the Times last week!  (I&#8217;d missed that.)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/10/19/clarifying-my-quote-in-the-times-of-london/comment-page-1/#comment-22758</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5 - Kdogg, you have inadvertently echoed Peter&#039;s Principle of Politics #101.  Here it is:

Conservatives appraise you for WHO you are.
Liberals appraise you for WHAT you are.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 &#8211; Kdogg, you have inadvertently echoed Peter&#8217;s Principle of Politics #101.  Here it is:</p>
<p>Conservatives appraise you for WHO you are.<br />
Liberals appraise you for WHAT you are.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: kdogg36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdogg36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate Dan&#039;s clarification.  It probably wasn&#039;t necessary (I think most people understand that there are always exceptions to such generalized statements), but it was probably wise to clarify things, in the spirit of an abundance of caution (as they say). :)

Ted B: I don&#039;t think it&#039;s intolerant (in any negative sense of the words) to dislike or strongly criticize -- or, in extreme cases, even hate -- public figures whose values are inimical to your own.  That is, in fact, the case for me, with almost all politicians the early-21st-century two-party establishment.  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much integrity to be found there, or anyone sticking up for the values I cherish.

Another example: there&#039;s very little tolerance from many people on this blog of people on the gay left.  But, in a sense, there&#039;s nothing wrong with that: it comes from the fact that those condeming the gay left do it because the gay left fights for values that they despise.  It&#039;s not the same kind of &quot;intolerance&quot; as those who disdain people because of skin color, sexual orientation, or things like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate Dan&#8217;s clarification.  It probably wasn&#8217;t necessary (I think most people understand that there are always exceptions to such generalized statements), but it was probably wise to clarify things, in the spirit of an abundance of caution (as they say). <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ted B: I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s intolerant (in any negative sense of the words) to dislike or strongly criticize &#8212; or, in extreme cases, even hate &#8212; public figures whose values are inimical to your own.  That is, in fact, the case for me, with almost all politicians the early-21st-century two-party establishment.  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much integrity to be found there, or anyone sticking up for the values I cherish.</p>
<p>Another example: there&#8217;s very little tolerance from many people on this blog of people on the gay left.  But, in a sense, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that: it comes from the fact that those condeming the gay left do it because the gay left fights for values that they despise.  It&#8217;s not the same kind of &#8220;intolerance&#8221; as those who disdain people because of skin color, sexual orientation, or things like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3 - I second that emotion, Ted.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 &#8211; I second that emotion, Ted.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted B. (Charging Rhino)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted B. (Charging Rhino)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll second that &quot;some gay activists&quot; are intolerant...and expand that to include many of their fellow travelers in the G/L community who might not march in &lt;i&gt;Bush Lied, People Died&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Kerry-2004&lt;/i&gt; tee-shirts, but who just cheer lustfully from the sidelines all the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second that &#8220;some gay activists&#8221; are intolerant&#8230;and expand that to include many of their fellow travelers in the G/L community who might not march in <i>Bush Lied, People Died</i> and <i>Kerry-2004</i> tee-shirts, but who just cheer lustfully from the sidelines all the same.</p>
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		<title>By: sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds more like comments than you&#039;re published writing.</description>
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		<title>By: Benj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&quot;t is more difficult to change what I have to say after I have said it.&quot;


You just did...no problem...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8221;t is more difficult to change what I have to say after I have said it.&#8221;</p>
<p>You just did&#8230;no problem&#8230;</p>
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