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Christians the Easy Target for Gay Police

Posted by ColoradoPatriot at 6:39 pm - October 25, 2006.
Filed under: Gay Politics,Politics abroad

The Guardian of London reports that the British Gay Police Association recently aired an “advert” (as they call it there) laying violence against gays and lesbians at the foot of Christians.

Yea, like those Christians who murdered Theo Van Gogh, and all those stonings of homosexuals they hold down there at the Vatican, right?

London is lately being overrun by Muslims who refuse to assimilate into Western culture. And the Brits (along with most of Europe) refuse to demand it. At their peril.

Of course, it’s easy (and in vogue) to bash Christians. Is the British Gay Police Association afraid to admit that Islam is more violent toward homosexuality and homosexuals? Or do they even “realise” it? Oh wait, don’t answer…either way, it’s a shame.

-Nick (ColoradoPatriot)

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  1. Another nice one Nick.

    For my part, what I believe everyone should know about Islam is summarized here: http://gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=1789#comment-156278

    and is documented/supported in books like these (as starting points):

    The Looming Tower – http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Al-Qaeda-Road-11/dp/037541486X/sr=1-1/qid=1161381237/ref=sr_1_1/104-2152995-5215947?ie=UTF8&s=books

    The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam – http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895260131/104-2152995-5215947?ie=UTF8

    Comment by Calarato — October 25, 2006 @ 6:55 pm - October 25, 2006

  2. If an imam involved in the persecution of a homosexual Muslim was found to be sexually involved with another man, would you out the imam?

    Comment by jimmy — October 25, 2006 @ 6:56 pm - October 25, 2006

  3. It might come out on its own – but no, I wouldn’t necessarily be the one to do it.

    What I would do (if I had the power) is: prosecute the Imam for such of his actions as are crimes.

    If the Imam expels the homosexual from the mosque, say, that’s not a crime and not my business. But if he’s inciting people to firebomb the guy’s house, say, it probably is a crime – and should be handled thusly.

    Comment by Calarato — October 25, 2006 @ 7:05 pm - October 25, 2006

  4. If an imam involved in the persecution of a homosexual Muslim was found to be sexually involved with another man, would you out the imam?

    No.

    One, because I oppose it philosophically.

    Two, because there’s no need — publicizing the imam’s stance alone would be enough to make them immediately publicly unpopular (I hope).

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 25, 2006 @ 7:13 pm - October 25, 2006

  5. #3. Nothing “comes out on its own”…lol. A human being has to speak or type the words.

    Comment by jimmy — October 25, 2006 @ 7:16 pm - October 25, 2006

  6. #4. In Iran?

    Comment by jimmy — October 25, 2006 @ 7:16 pm - October 25, 2006

  7. #6: I have even less motivation to do so in Iran.

    What you do is set up an interesting moral conundrum…..an imam harassing a gay person in Iran is basically sentencing that person to death.

    However, from a sheerly practical standpoint, aside from my own philosophical distaste for it, all that outing the imam would do is produce two dead people, instead of one.

    It isn’t fair that an innocent person is going to die. But it’s not morally defensible that I sentence both an innocent and a guilty person to death.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 25, 2006 @ 7:25 pm - October 25, 2006

  8. #5 – Yes – And not by me.

    jimmy, what’s your point here? Your #5 was a lame response. Come out (so to speak) with your agenda here.

    Comment by Calarato — October 25, 2006 @ 7:35 pm - October 25, 2006

  9. So, reality check once again. The ad contained a picture of a Bible, yes. And there is no question the ad was designed to invoke Christian imagery. But the ad’s actual claims were non-denominational: “In the past 12 months, the Gay Police Association has recorded a 74% increase in homophobic incidents, where the sole or primary motivating factor was the religious belief of the perpetrator.”"
    Religion. Of all stripes. Guess what–that includes Muslims. So they deserve some heat for only including pictures from one religion, absolutely, but their ad did not “[lay] violence against gays and lesbians at the foot of Christians.” The ad implicated all intolerant religious belief. If you’re going to report the story, you might want to get the facts right.
    Just so you know, I join with you completely in believing that England and Europe in general are knowingly ignoring the cultural and temporal peril they face; their unwillingness to face the Islamic issue in their backyards has made the issue worse across the world. But just because the issues you mention are real doesn’t mean you quoted the ad or relayed the story correctly.

    Comment by torrentprime — October 25, 2006 @ 7:40 pm - October 25, 2006

  10. As for the hypo, I agree with ND30, so much that I’ll quote him: “No. One, because I oppose it philosophically.Two, because there’s no need — publicizing the imam’s stance alone would be enough to make them immediately publicly unpopular (I hope).”
    Although I wouldn’t be all that hopeful that the stance would make him unpopular.

    Comment by torrentprime — October 25, 2006 @ 7:42 pm - October 25, 2006

  11. “In the past 12 months, the Gay Police Association has recorded a 74% increase in homophobic incidents, where the sole or primary motivating factor was the religious belief of the perpetrator.””

    I am curious what the base line for that 74% increase was. Not that it is an excuse for the behavior, but if the baseline number from twelve months ago was relatively low, then a 74% increase sounds much worse than it is.

    I am also curious as to how many incidents there are that are not religiously motivated, and if there has been an increase in those.

    I also am not buying the excuse that the words say “religious” and is generic, when the only image is of Christianity-it is weasely.

    Comment by just me — October 25, 2006 @ 8:10 pm - October 25, 2006

  12. It would appear the secular left is using Islamist violence as an excuse to persecute Christians.

    Comment by V the K — October 25, 2006 @ 8:38 pm - October 25, 2006

  13. This sort of ad proves only one thing:

    That European secular humanists can be “fundie” in their thinking and ways, too…

    The hypocrisy of the liberal left’s way of thinking can be summed up in this one statement:
    “Prejudice is the sin that everyone in the world is guilty of…EXCEPT ME!”

    Comment by Jeffrey Williams — October 25, 2006 @ 9:19 pm - October 25, 2006

  14. #13 – Well put, Jeffrey.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — October 25, 2006 @ 11:29 pm - October 25, 2006

  15. #12. If it walks like a fundamentalist and talks like a fundamentalist, it is a fundamentalist, whether it is a Christianist or an Islamist. There are striking similarities when it comes to the worldviews of both.

    Comment by sean — October 26, 2006 @ 1:57 am - October 26, 2006

  16. #15: Yeah, like the way they both behead people, they both suicide bomb busloads of schoolchildren, they both insist on clitorectomies for women, dressing them up in Hefty bags with eye slits, they both permit killing women for dishonoring their families, like the way they both hang gay people or stone them to death, the way they both tolerate slavery in the 21st century. Yeah, you’re so right, sean of the lower-case clan. Fundamentalist Christianity is just like Fundamentalist Islam.

    BTW, I was being sarcastic.

    Comment by V the K — October 26, 2006 @ 8:08 am - October 26, 2006

  17. sean, you forgot to add atheist to your laundry list of fundamentalists.

    Some of the atheists who post here are such fundamentalists at heart that it has driven them into hating anyone who, like them, appear to be equally fervent in their own monopoly on the truth (DanielFtL, Gryph, et al).

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 26, 2006 @ 10:14 am - October 26, 2006

  18. M-Matt, True That. Also, how many millions were slaughtered by atheists in the 20th century? 30 million under Stalin. 100 million under Mao. 3 million under Pol Pot. Who knows how many in Cuba, Africa, and anywhere else an atheistic socialist dictatorship set up shop.

    Lefties profess to hate war, but they don’t seem to mind genocide so much. I think this is because war is violent, it requires hard unpleasant choices to be made, and action to be taken. A genocide… whether through forced famine or marching unarmed people out and murdering them… is peaceful and organized. And instead of fighting, the political class can go to peace conferences, sip wine, stand and model for the press, make grave moralistic pronouncements that make them look wise… without every having to do anything.

    Comment by V the K — October 26, 2006 @ 10:27 am - October 26, 2006

  19. Is there anything in England more impotent than the Christian Church today? A Koran would have had a good deal more meaning but no one in England would have dared to show it. The Left’s concerns are pointless, cowardly and out of date. Keep chasing those shadows while the real enemy creeps up relentlessly behind you. Its 1968 forever, I guess.

    Comment by VinceTN — October 26, 2006 @ 10:37 am - October 26, 2006

  20. 1st #18 “Lefties profess to hate war, but they don’t seem to mind genocide so much”
    …Jeez…..

    2nd: Get it through your heads, Christians are not discriminated against…..stop trying to make yourselves into victims.

    Comment by keogh — October 26, 2006 @ 10:56 am - October 26, 2006

  21. What the very silly person says:

    Christians are not discriminated against…

    What the very silly person means:

    Christians are not discriminated against enough

    Comment by V the K — October 26, 2006 @ 11:42 am - October 26, 2006

  22. Agian,
    Jeez…

    Comment by keogh — October 26, 2006 @ 12:06 pm - October 26, 2006

  23. #7: It isn’t fair that an innocent person is going to die. But it’s not morally defensible that I sentence both an innocent and a guilty person to death.

    Are you against the death penalty in the US for people who commit heinous crimes, based on the same reasoning?

    Comment by kdogg36 — October 26, 2006 @ 2:00 pm - October 26, 2006

  24. #18: 30 million under Stalin. 100 million under Mao. 3 million under Pol Pot.

    They were atheists, but in reality they had quite a bit in common with Islamic fundamentalists today. Their religion was worship of the State as the embodiment of their truth, to be imposed on the rest of the world by force.

    Comment by kdogg36 — October 26, 2006 @ 2:04 pm - October 26, 2006

  25. k-dog, atheists ruled dictatorships had nothing in common with Mideast Islamic totalitarian regimes except, like the radical Left in America, they think THEIR monopoly on the truth IS truth.

    And while NDXXX can answer your anti-death penalty taunt, I’d like to remind you that most Death Row inmates deserve to be there… whether for the crime they were convicted for or for the multiple crimes they got away with… the “innocent man” myth spun by many anti-death penalty groups is exactly that: a myth. Getting off Death Row because of technical manipulations of the legal system should rarely happen. Last year, it happened in 4 cases… all murderers who’s victim can no longer be heard crying their outrage at the injustice.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 26, 2006 @ 6:48 pm - October 26, 2006

  26. #25: k-dog, atheists ruled dictatorships had nothing in common with Mideast Islamic totalitarian regimes except, like the radical Left in America, they think THEIR monopoly on the truth IS truth.

    The thing that ties Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, and Osama share is their worship of a certain kind of truth, and their willingness to kill innocent people to see that their truth prevails.

    And while NDXXX can answer your anti-death penalty taunt, I’d like to remind you that most Death Row inmates deserve to be there…

    It wasn’t a taunt at all. I am pro-death-penalty for people who commit heinous crimes. I am also pro-death-penalty for Imams who call for the execution of gay people. I wan’t trying to convince NDXXX to oppose the death penalty; I was trying to have him admit that Imams who call for persecution of gays should be, ideally, given a fair trial, and, if found guilty, shot in the head like the rabid dogs that they are.

    Comment by kdogg36 — October 26, 2006 @ 7:37 pm - October 26, 2006

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