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	<title>Comments on: Mixed Thoughts on New Jersey Marriage Decision</title>
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		<title>By: lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/10/25/mixed-thoughts-on-new-jersey-marriage-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-23142</link>
		<dc:creator>lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What everyone is failing to see is the gay agenda in our public schools. Check out www.nonjgaymarriage.org this site will enlighten both NJ voters and national voters to the true agenda of the homosexual movement which is an assault on our schools. They want to teach little children(as young as five) how to have homosexual sex and that homosexual sex is perfectly normal. I don&#039;t know how anyone could support legally raping and brainwashing our children in their schools. This is a scary thing and it must stop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What everyone is failing to see is the gay agenda in our public schools. Check out <a href="http://www.nonjgaymarriage.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.nonjgaymarriage.org</a> this site will enlighten both NJ voters and national voters to the true agenda of the homosexual movement which is an assault on our schools. They want to teach little children(as young as five) how to have homosexual sex and that homosexual sex is perfectly normal. I don&#8217;t know how anyone could support legally raping and brainwashing our children in their schools. This is a scary thing and it must stop</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 2004 campaign, Bush seemed willing to support civil unions.  But after the election, in his State of the Union Addresses, he repeated his views about marriage, and didn&#039;t say a word about civil unions.  Again, he had an opportunity to say something positive about the ruling, such as saying that this could be an opportunity for NJ to have civil unions.  But once again, he simply stated his opposition to marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 2004 campaign, Bush seemed willing to support civil unions.  But after the election, in his State of the Union Addresses, he repeated his views about marriage, and didn&#8217;t say a word about civil unions.  Again, he had an opportunity to say something positive about the ruling, such as saying that this could be an opportunity for NJ to have civil unions.  But once again, he simply stated his opposition to marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: kdogg36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdogg36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George W. Bush:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;Yesterday in New Jersey, we had another activist court issue a ruling that raises doubts about the institution of marriage. I believe that marriage is a union between a man and a woman,&quot; he said at an appearance in Des Moines, Iowa.

&quot;We believe in family values, we believe values are important and we believe marriage is a fundamental institution of civilization,&quot; he said, echoing a theme that served Republicans well in the 2004 elections.&lt;/b&gt;

I&#039;d rather the state get out of the business entirely of blessing certain relationships, but if it does give my wonderful relationship with my boyfriend the same status as that of my parents, or that of him and Laura, it simply isn&#039;t going to destroy a fundamental institution of civilization.  It isn&#039;t going to harm family values at all.

If conservatives on this site want people like me to vote Republican -- and it&#039;s not out of the question that I someday would do that -- they&#039;ll have to get their leaders to focus on truly reducing government, and not to say stupid stuff like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George W. Bush:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Yesterday in New Jersey, we had another activist court issue a ruling that raises doubts about the institution of marriage. I believe that marriage is a union between a man and a woman,&#8221; he said at an appearance in Des Moines, Iowa.</p>
<p>&#8220;We believe in family values, we believe values are important and we believe marriage is a fundamental institution of civilization,&#8221; he said, echoing a theme that served Republicans well in the 2004 elections.</b></p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather the state get out of the business entirely of blessing certain relationships, but if it does give my wonderful relationship with my boyfriend the same status as that of my parents, or that of him and Laura, it simply isn&#8217;t going to destroy a fundamental institution of civilization.  It isn&#8217;t going to harm family values at all.</p>
<p>If conservatives on this site want people like me to vote Republican &#8212; and it&#8217;s not out of the question that I someday would do that &#8212; they&#8217;ll have to get their leaders to focus on truly reducing government, and not to say stupid stuff like this.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I notice that Sullivan hasn’t said anything about THIS:&quot;

No, but he has been bleating about being Jesus to Hugh Hewitt&#039;s Pharisee. &lt;a href=&quot;http://ace.mu.nu/archives/202044.php&quot;&gt;See here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I notice that Sullivan hasn’t said anything about THIS:&#8221;</p>
<p>No, but he has been bleating about being Jesus to Hugh Hewitt&#8217;s Pharisee. <a href="http://ace.mu.nu/archives/202044.php">See here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Courts should decide if a law is violates a state or federal constitution.  However, the US Supreme Court should not create law - as they did in Roe V. Wade.   The democratic party has in many ways become hostage to the abortion rights movement.   The abortion rights advocates give millions of dollars to the democrats because they are so afraid of abortion becoming illegal that any law or action that they would otherwise support, is opposed  because of the &#039;slippery slope theory&#039;.  For example, parental notification for underage girls having an abortion.  In all other matters a parent is responsible for their child except if that child wants an abortion.  It doesn&#039;t make sense.

I&#039;m not saying yey or nay to abortion - that&#039;s not my point.  But look at what Roe did to the Democratic party.  Do we want that to happen with the Republican Party?  That is why Connecticut&#039;s civil union has gone on peacefully, while &#039;liberal&#039; Massachusetss still suffers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Courts should decide if a law is violates a state or federal constitution.  However, the US Supreme Court should not create law &#8211; as they did in Roe V. Wade.   The democratic party has in many ways become hostage to the abortion rights movement.   The abortion rights advocates give millions of dollars to the democrats because they are so afraid of abortion becoming illegal that any law or action that they would otherwise support, is opposed  because of the &#8216;slippery slope theory&#8217;.  For example, parental notification for underage girls having an abortion.  In all other matters a parent is responsible for their child except if that child wants an abortion.  It doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying yey or nay to abortion &#8211; that&#8217;s not my point.  But look at what Roe did to the Democratic party.  Do we want that to happen with the Republican Party?  That is why Connecticut&#8217;s civil union has gone on peacefully, while &#8216;liberal&#8217; Massachusetss still suffers.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read that our wonderful ex-governor, Jim McGreevey, has stated that if gay marriage does become law in NJ, that he and his partner will get married.  Hmmm.  Not that Jim McGreevey had any principles to begin with.  But since he was opposed to gay marriage, I don&#039;t understand why he would get married.  I guess that only applied to other NJ residents, and not him.  Typical.  I&#039;m still waiting for the hundreds of thousands or so he bilked out of us NJ Taxpayers for his sleaze in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read that our wonderful ex-governor, Jim McGreevey, has stated that if gay marriage does become law in NJ, that he and his partner will get married.  Hmmm.  Not that Jim McGreevey had any principles to begin with.  But since he was opposed to gay marriage, I don&#8217;t understand why he would get married.  I guess that only applied to other NJ residents, and not him.  Typical.  I&#8217;m still waiting for the hundreds of thousands or so he bilked out of us NJ Taxpayers for his sleaze in office.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/10/25/mixed-thoughts-on-new-jersey-marriage-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-23136</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;country before party!&lt;/i&gt;

If the Democrat left believed in this principle, they wouldn&#039;t be rooting for America to lose a war for the sake of their own political power, much less leaking classified information that helps the enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>country before party!</i></p>
<p>If the Democrat left believed in this principle, they wouldn&#8217;t be rooting for America to lose a war for the sake of their own political power, much less leaking classified information that helps the enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33: Ah, you’re a partisan tool. Got it.

Comment by V the K — October 26, 2006 @ 1:16 pm - October 26, 2006

I may be partisan when it comes to this brand of GOP...but you sir are the TOOL!  The GOP had thier chance and BLEW IT for ALL AMERICANS....country before party!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33: Ah, you’re a partisan tool. Got it.</p>
<p>Comment by V the K — October 26, 2006 @ 1:16 pm &#8211; October 26, 2006</p>
<p>I may be partisan when it comes to this brand of GOP&#8230;but you sir are the TOOL!  The GOP had thier chance and BLEW IT for ALL AMERICANS&#8230;.country before party!</p>
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		<title>By: kdogg36</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdogg36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I think about it, the more I realize that Harold Ford is simply a despicable human being, pure and simple.  Think about all the people in the black civil rights movement who toiled (and sometimes gave up their lives) so Harold Ford could live in a world where he could run a competetive campaign for the US Senate in a southern state. And then he says this. Simply stunning, and nauseating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I think about it, the more I realize that Harold Ford is simply a despicable human being, pure and simple.  Think about all the people in the black civil rights movement who toiled (and sometimes gave up their lives) so Harold Ford could live in a world where he could run a competetive campaign for the US Senate in a southern state. And then he says this. Simply stunning, and nauseating.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2006/10/25/mixed-thoughts-on-new-jersey-marriage-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-23133</link>
		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33: Ah, you&#039;re a partisan tool. Got it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33: Ah, you&#8217;re a partisan tool. Got it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harold Ford&#039;s comments are despicable. He could have kept his mouth shut. He would never get my vote. There are two possibilities: either he really believes this crap - in which case he should just change party affiliation - or he is simply pandering to pick up the odd homohater vote. If it&#039;s the latter, then I don&#039;t want to hear him whining about the Corker ads that pander to the racist vote. I would also suggest to him that many of the white homohaters he&#039;s pandering to aren&#039;t all that likely to vote for a black man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold Ford&#8217;s comments are despicable. He could have kept his mouth shut. He would never get my vote. There are two possibilities: either he really believes this crap &#8211; in which case he should just change party affiliation &#8211; or he is simply pandering to pick up the odd homohater vote. If it&#8217;s the latter, then I don&#8217;t want to hear him whining about the Corker ads that pander to the racist vote. I would also suggest to him that many of the white homohaters he&#8217;s pandering to aren&#8217;t all that likely to vote for a black man.</p>
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		<title>By: Britton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The court has every right to put a timeline on this.  They COULD have simply said, the law does not prevent gays from marrying.  You people act like the court is just making up the law.  They are interpreting existing laws.  The court COULD and probably should have said, the law doesn&#039;t prevent gays from marrying so they can marry.  End of story.  It mediated by even allowing the legislature to have time to fix the issue.  This isn&#039;t judicial activism or fiat.  If the law says gays should receive the benefits of marriage, there shouldn&#039;t be a holding period at all on them receiving them.  The court interpreted that law as saying they should receive them and so that should be immediate.  The fact there is even a 180 days period to me seems a bit unfair.

It amazes me how conservative gays never seem to be happy when gay rights are advanced in any way.  The court was interpreting laws already created by the legislature.  They aren&#039;t making it up as they go along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The court has every right to put a timeline on this.  They COULD have simply said, the law does not prevent gays from marrying.  You people act like the court is just making up the law.  They are interpreting existing laws.  The court COULD and probably should have said, the law doesn&#8217;t prevent gays from marrying so they can marry.  End of story.  It mediated by even allowing the legislature to have time to fix the issue.  This isn&#8217;t judicial activism or fiat.  If the law says gays should receive the benefits of marriage, there shouldn&#8217;t be a holding period at all on them receiving them.  The court interpreted that law as saying they should receive them and so that should be immediate.  The fact there is even a 180 days period to me seems a bit unfair.</p>
<p>It amazes me how conservative gays never seem to be happy when gay rights are advanced in any way.  The court was interpreting laws already created by the legislature.  They aren&#8217;t making it up as they go along.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V the K...Id rather have a dem win over the GOP anyday.....that&#039;s another &quot;seat&quot; in the house....Sure I do NOT agree with Ford on his stance regarding SSM...but his GOP opponant is against it too...so the Dem is the &quot;less&quot; of 2 evils.   I don&#039; think anyone (party affiliation aside)who was FOR SSM could win in Tennessee period!   Fine with me...Tennessee is just another state added to my list, that I will NEVER VISIT or SPEND my tax dollars in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V the K&#8230;Id rather have a dem win over the GOP anyday&#8230;..that&#8217;s another &#8220;seat&#8221; in the house&#8230;.Sure I do NOT agree with Ford on his stance regarding SSM&#8230;but his GOP opponant is against it too&#8230;so the Dem is the &#8220;less&#8221; of 2 evils.   I don&#8217; think anyone (party affiliation aside)who was FOR SSM could win in Tennessee period!   Fine with me&#8230;Tennessee is just another state added to my list, that I will NEVER VISIT or SPEND my tax dollars in.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parsing Comment #30:

1. &quot;Harold Ford&#039;s opposition to SSM is tantamount to supporting the Klan over the Civil Rights movement.&quot;
2. &quot;I hope he wins in a landslide.&quot;

We&#039;re all holding our noses this November, but that seems almost like battered wife syndrome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parsing Comment #30:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Harold Ford&#8217;s opposition to SSM is tantamount to supporting the Klan over the Civil Rights movement.&#8221;<br />
2. &#8220;I hope he wins in a landslide.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all holding our noses this November, but that seems almost like battered wife syndrome.</p>
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		<title>By: V the K</title>
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		<dc:creator>V the K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone noticed how Andrianna Sullington&#039;s schoolgirl crush on Harold Ford has allowed him to alternately ignore and rationalize Harold Ford&#039;s opposition to SSM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone noticed how Andrianna Sullington&#8217;s schoolgirl crush on Harold Ford has allowed him to alternately ignore and rationalize Harold Ford&#8217;s opposition to SSM?</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAROLD FORD, JR. COMMENTS ON THE N.J. GAY MARRIAGE DECISION:

I do not support the decision today reached by the New Jersey Supreme Court regarding gay marriage. I oppose gay marriage, and have voted twice in Congress to amend the United States Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage. This November there’s a referendum on the Tennessee ballot to ban same-sex marriage - I am voting for it.

Isn&#039;t it Ironic...while I hope Ford wins by a landslide...it&#039;s strange, that 40yrs ago...the ONLY thing Mr Ford would be running for in Tennessee would be, &quot;HIS LIFE&quot; from the KKK......but, now that he HAS his RIGHTS..it&#039;s FINE &amp; DANDY, A-OK to trample on the RIGHTS of others. While the struggle for Blacks Civils Rights are /were Different.....there are TOO MANY similarities to dismiss.  Hopefully Mr Ford will SEE BEYOND his BIBLE and realize this - sometime in the very near future! Maybe he needs to READ UP on the MANY quotes of CORRETTA SCOTT KING pertaining to Gays and Lesbians!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAROLD FORD, JR. COMMENTS ON THE N.J. GAY MARRIAGE DECISION:</p>
<p>I do not support the decision today reached by the New Jersey Supreme Court regarding gay marriage. I oppose gay marriage, and have voted twice in Congress to amend the United States Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage. This November there’s a referendum on the Tennessee ballot to ban same-sex marriage &#8211; I am voting for it.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it Ironic&#8230;while I hope Ford wins by a landslide&#8230;it&#8217;s strange, that 40yrs ago&#8230;the ONLY thing Mr Ford would be running for in Tennessee would be, &#8220;HIS LIFE&#8221; from the KKK&#8230;&#8230;but, now that he HAS his RIGHTS..it&#8217;s FINE &amp; DANDY, A-OK to trample on the RIGHTS of others. While the struggle for Blacks Civils Rights are /were Different&#8230;..there are TOO MANY similarities to dismiss.  Hopefully Mr Ford will SEE BEYOND his BIBLE and realize this &#8211; sometime in the very near future! Maybe he needs to READ UP on the MANY quotes of CORRETTA SCOTT KING pertaining to Gays and Lesbians!</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We would still have segregation if the voters were left to decide.&quot;

Well no, segregation was ended by the Legislature.

If you want to live in an absolute monarchy, let me suggest Saudi Arabia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We would still have segregation if the voters were left to decide.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well no, segregation was ended by the Legislature.</p>
<p>If you want to live in an absolute monarchy, let me suggest Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure the push for gay marriage has hurt the overall cause for gay partnership rights.  Yes, it has provoked a terrible backlash, but in some states it has been completely successful (for now) and in others it has generated increased support for civil unions as a compromise.  Demanding more than you&#039;re realistically going to get is standard bargaining procedure.  You bargain down to a compromise which is still more than you would have achieved otherwise.

Plus, the genie is now out of the bottle--gay marriage is now a reality.  Its effects can be observed.  People are already growing used to an idea which would have been outrageous a few years ago.

As for how it is achieved, if the cause is just, and I believe it is, I am indifferent to whether it is comes by vote or judicial fiat.  To believe otherwise is to favor process over principle.  Was Lincoln truly within his rights to free the slaves?  Were the post-Civil War civil-rights ammendments invalid because they were passed by a rump Congress not truly representing Southern interests?  Do I care?  No, not really.  Was there a backlash against these actions?  Absolutely.

Should we have waited until Southern opinion evolved to embrace black equality before enforcing civil rights, in some cases by judicial activism? We&#039;d still be waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure the push for gay marriage has hurt the overall cause for gay partnership rights.  Yes, it has provoked a terrible backlash, but in some states it has been completely successful (for now) and in others it has generated increased support for civil unions as a compromise.  Demanding more than you&#8217;re realistically going to get is standard bargaining procedure.  You bargain down to a compromise which is still more than you would have achieved otherwise.</p>
<p>Plus, the genie is now out of the bottle&#8211;gay marriage is now a reality.  Its effects can be observed.  People are already growing used to an idea which would have been outrageous a few years ago.</p>
<p>As for how it is achieved, if the cause is just, and I believe it is, I am indifferent to whether it is comes by vote or judicial fiat.  To believe otherwise is to favor process over principle.  Was Lincoln truly within his rights to free the slaves?  Were the post-Civil War civil-rights ammendments invalid because they were passed by a rump Congress not truly representing Southern interests?  Do I care?  No, not really.  Was there a backlash against these actions?  Absolutely.</p>
<p>Should we have waited until Southern opinion evolved to embrace black equality before enforcing civil rights, in some cases by judicial activism? We&#8217;d still be waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are at least three separte issues in the whole &quot;gay marriage&quot; debate:

1. Redifining marriage (as in specifically marriage)
2. Various legal advantages (and disadvantages) conferred by marriage
3. Imposition by the courts

It seems the NJ court tried to skirt the third issue by first telling the legislature what they had to do, then throwing it back on the legislature. I find it disingenuous. At any rate, if nothing else, it will motivate voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are at least three separte issues in the whole &#8220;gay marriage&#8221; debate:</p>
<p>1. Redifining marriage (as in specifically marriage)<br />
2. Various legal advantages (and disadvantages) conferred by marriage<br />
3. Imposition by the courts</p>
<p>It seems the NJ court tried to skirt the third issue by first telling the legislature what they had to do, then throwing it back on the legislature. I find it disingenuous. At any rate, if nothing else, it will motivate voters.</p>
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		<title>By: James G</title>
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		<dc:creator>James G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like opponents of SSM in NJ would be angry with any statement contrary to their belief.

From what I&#039;ve read of the actual decision, it doesn&#039;t seem as if the court legislated from the bench.  Rather, I interpreted the decision in the 90-page text to clarify the question of the law, then put into the hands of lawmakers the responsibility of making the law match the state&#039;s constitution.

As I told a friend, it&#039;s definitely nice to see the &quot;establishment&quot; treat us like human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like opponents of SSM in NJ would be angry with any statement contrary to their belief.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read of the actual decision, it doesn&#8217;t seem as if the court legislated from the bench.  Rather, I interpreted the decision in the 90-page text to clarify the question of the law, then put into the hands of lawmakers the responsibility of making the law match the state&#8217;s constitution.</p>
<p>As I told a friend, it&#8217;s definitely nice to see the &#8220;establishment&#8221; treat us like human beings.</p>
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