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Anti-Gay Obsessions, Google-Bombing — the Politics of Hate

Whenever anti-gay social conservatives write about gay people, they focus on the most extreme aspects of our culture. They are not interested in presenting a dispassionate account of gay America, but rather portraying us as sinful deviants, incapable of making moral decisions.

Many spend hours and hours rooting through gay publications and around gay websites to find examples of the most outlandish gay behavior. Some anti-gay activists even frequent gay conclaves, seeking out those things most likely to cast gay people in a negative light.

And so would the left have us see American conservatives, particularly Republicans in tight races for reelection. A reader recently e-mailed me a link to this New York Times piece about “google-boming” how left-wing bloggers are attempting to manipulate google data so that when someone types in the name of a certain Republican in the search engine, posts and articles critical of him (or her) will appear “high among the returns.”

As I read the article, I could only wonder at the extent to which extremists go to portray their adversaries in a negative light. Left-wing bloggers are practically giddy that they have manipulated so google so that when someone types in “miserable failure,” he gets the official web-site for the president.

Rather than devote their time to promoting the positives aspects of their agenda, they would rather lurk in the swamps of hatred and vilification and spend their time finding ever more creative means to demonize their opponents. I wonder about people who spend so much time stewing in their animosity.

Eighteen day ago, when I asked why some people hate, I noted “that as with most hatred, the issue is not necessarily the object, but quite frequently the subject.” What is it that makes these people so negative, devoting so much time to demonizing their opponents? Some, including gay activists, are even taking advantage of the edit feature for Wikipedia entries in order to add disparaging comments about various Republicans, even if such information is not substantiated.

If I were to ask these activists why certain social conservatives dwell on gays, they would likely say that they’re projecting, a convoluted expression of their own self-hatred. They’re obsessed with gays because they can’t deal with their own homosexual tendencies. I don’t know that this explanation always works, but I’m sure that, in some cases, it holds true.

Beyond such projection, unfortunately some people get a certain satisfaction from demonizing others. Such people include not only the most anti-gay social conservatives but also many on the left who go out of their way to vilify those on the right and to game search engines to lead with negative information about Republicans.

It’s too bad they can’t devote their time and creativity to more positive and productive endeavors.

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59 Comments

  1. If Democrats could win on issues, don’t you think they’d run on issues?

    Voters don’t want massive tax increases. They don’t want abortion-on-demand. Parents don’t want Mel Reynolds-types taking their underage daughters across state lines to get abortions. They don’t want anti-terrorism policy set by the ACLU. The don’t want illegal aliens votes to cancel out their own.

    Democrats can’t run on their agenda, so they have to run a campaign based on smears, stunts, and vote fraud.

    Comment by V the K — October 29, 2006 @ 4:50 pm - October 29, 2006

  2. The Leftists are doomed to be surrounded by their inferior fellow citizens and suffer the burden of living in a democracy that allows the rest of us a choice in policies. Righteousness practically demands that they get underhanded and manipulate others for the good of society. When the revolution comes and everything is perfect it will all have been worth it and then they can be noble and ethical.

    Comment by VinceTN — October 29, 2006 @ 5:27 pm - October 29, 2006

  3. #1. LOL. You should submit that to Colbert.

    Comment by jimmy — October 29, 2006 @ 5:44 pm - October 29, 2006

  4. It takes a lot of balls to argue that the Democrats are the ones running a smear campaign when the NRCC is, admittingly, spending more than 90% of its advertising budget on negative ads.

    I mean, really. That’s a lot of balls.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/466218p-392314c.html
    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06302/733570-84.stm
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003327465_campaignads28.html

    Comment by Chase — October 29, 2006 @ 5:46 pm - October 29, 2006

  5. Chase, don’t even bother. You have entered the alternative universe of Gay Patriot where republicans don’t engage in negative campaign tactics. To even suggest that they do only tells me that you are a “libtard moonbat” who stews in animosity.

    Comment by Brendan Flynn — October 29, 2006 @ 7:03 pm - October 29, 2006

  6. Did I even say anything in my post about GOP negative ads?

    Nope, this post was about the lengths to which certain people go to express their hatred of certain groups.

    Comment by GayPatriotWest — October 29, 2006 @ 7:21 pm - October 29, 2006

  7. I really hate that when partisans from either side, or nutjobs like the 9/11 “Truthers”, do that. It makes finding useful information very difficult and is annoying as hell.

    Comment by John — October 29, 2006 @ 7:46 pm - October 29, 2006

  8. “It’s too bad they can’t devote their time and creativity to more positive and productive endeavors.”

    In order to devote time to creative endeavors, one needs big ideas. an article from the Claremont Institute (sorry it is rather long), asks the question, why are there no big ideas on the left.
    http://www.claremont.org/writings/crb/fall2006/voegeli.html

    Comment by Leah — October 29, 2006 @ 8:13 pm - October 29, 2006

  9. In the last week, I’ve gotten three copies of the same flier from the Ben Cardin campaign. It’s nothing but attacks on Michael Steele, and doesn’t tell me a thing about Cardin’s agenda. Why won’t he come out and tell me what he believes?

    I think the Democrats use hate as a substitute for ideas.

    Comment by V the K — October 29, 2006 @ 8:20 pm - October 29, 2006

  10. I’ve also observed that lib-dems are extemely quick to squeal “smear!” If you note the fact the Ben Cardin voted against stem cell research, or that Bob Casey was absent from his job 40% of the time, or that some Democrat congressman enjoys a 100% rating from the ACLU… then a leftie will whine that noting these facts constitutes a smear and a vicious attack. Meanwhile, the left can accuse Rick Santorum of eating babies and act like they have the moral high ground.

    Comment by V the K — October 29, 2006 @ 8:44 pm - October 29, 2006

  11. I agree that sometimes it seems like hatred of Bush and the GOP is a substitution for ideas. And on some level I think they really think just hating is enough. They may have ideas somewhere, but the anger seems to be the focus.

    As for lengths people will go to-something I don’t much understand either. I sometimes think the worst offenders are just angry, bitter people who have found something to focus their anger and bitterness on-a way to sort of make them feel better, but in reality it just ends up making them more angry and more bitter.

    Comment by just me — October 29, 2006 @ 9:11 pm - October 29, 2006

  12. “It takes a lot of balls to argue that the Democrats are the ones running a smear campaign when the NRCC is, admittingly, spending more than 90% of its advertising budget on negative ads.”…….. they have balls. lol.

    Comment by samuel — October 29, 2006 @ 9:42 pm - October 29, 2006

  13. to quote your buddy rumsfeld, “dead-enders” except this time it’s true.

    Comment by samuel — October 29, 2006 @ 9:44 pm - October 29, 2006

  14. As I read the article, I could only wonder at the extent to which extremists go to portray their adversaries in a negative light.

    You criticize the left for using Google bombs to paint their opposition in a negative light, equating it to hatred, while completely ignoring the systematic negative ad campaign currently being waged by the Republican National Committee.

    If the Republicans were running an issues based campaign, it probabaly would be appropriate to say that. They are not. Much like the Democrats, the GOP campaign is simply: elect us, because we’re not the other guys.

    The Republicans are not running on any accomplishments because they have none. Their accomplishments are another 100+ billion dollars lost to the quicksands of Iraq and a special midnight session of Congress to save Terri Schiavo.

    Thus, it’s really no wonder they are spending 90% of their ad budget criticizing the Democrats. And believe me, if the RNC had thought of the Google bomb technique first, they’d be using it.

    Comment by Chase — October 29, 2006 @ 10:02 pm - October 29, 2006

  15. Apparently the Democrats and their supporters don’t understand the distinction between “negative campaign” and “smear tactic” – to be the latter, it just be known to be false by those propagating it.

    A case in point: The charges by the SwiftVets were “negative”, but they were true. Therefore they were not a “smear”.

    Comment by Frank IBC — October 29, 2006 @ 10:46 pm - October 29, 2006

  16. Dan, since you are decrying the politics of hate, why not take the opportunity to denounce the GOP tactics like those of Tan D. Nguyen in California http://tinyurl.com/t6xol or the push polls currently underway in Maryland or the disgusting racist ads that have been run against Harold Ford in TN. By comparison, the Google Bomb is pretty tame.

    As for hate, many of us DO hate what the GOP has done and continues to do to this country under the feckless leadership of Bush. Yet, in spite of our alarm, we still don’t stoop to the corruption and dishonest tactics of the GOP.

    Comment by Ian — October 30, 2006 @ 1:43 am - October 30, 2006

  17. Yet, in spite of our alarm, we still don’t stoop to the corruption and dishonest tactics of the GOP.

    Are you serious? The liberals are rife with corruption from Abercrombie to Waters. Dishonest? Every goddamn thing the libs have said in (at least) the past 6 years have been a sorry, disgraceful, shameful lie. And there’s not a damn thing you can say or do to refute it.

    Note how all the lib douchebags on here keep using the excuse “Republicans do it too!”. Pathetic.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 30, 2006 @ 2:28 am - October 30, 2006

  18. Yea, Ian. I was sitting on the couch next to my mom today when she got a phone call that was a push poll for Michael Steele.

    She sat through “are you pro-life”? “Do you believe that marriage should be defined as a union of a man and a woman”? But when they got to “Do you believe medical experiments should be allowed to be performed on unborn babies”?… that’s when she hung up. LOL

    And i’m not kidding. I could hear the call. That’s exactly how they worded it. My dad was there too. We all thought it was really pathetic.

    Comment by Chase — October 30, 2006 @ 3:31 am - October 30, 2006

  19. “A case in point: The charges by the SwiftVets were “negative”, but they were true. Therefore they were not a “smear”.”

    You have now entered the world of Alice in Wonderland where words mean what I want them to mean. You could not pick a better example than the Swift Boat Ads. Outside the right wing lunatic fringe, almost everyone agrees the Swift boat ads were complete fabrication. I was no great fan of John Kerry but for him to be attacked on his military service from a ticket that included George “AWOL” Bush & Dick “I had other priorities” Cheney and then to say this was not a smear campaign is to completely leave the world of rational discourse.

    Comment by Brendan Flynn — October 30, 2006 @ 4:49 am - October 30, 2006

  20. #19

    Of course. That’s why John F.You Kerry went whining to Bush to make them stop. Then he filed frivilous law suits, which he didn’t have the balss to follow through on. Now his ass is being sued by Vets.

    George “AWOL” Bush

    Guss you missed the story that the documents were fabricated and CBS staffers were let go. Just because you and your pansy douchebags say it doesn’t make it so.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 30, 2006 @ 5:54 am - October 30, 2006

  21. “Just because you and your pansy douchebags”

    Hey TGC: Why are you stewing in animosity? What is it that makes you so negative, devoting so much time to demonizing your opponents?

    Comment by Brendan Flynn — October 30, 2006 @ 6:41 am - October 30, 2006

  22. Hey TGC: Why are you stewing in animosity? What is it that makes you so negative, devoting so much time to demonizing your opponents?

    No! Don’t you dare address the issues. You might have to stand for something of substance. Can’t have that, now can we.

    Stewing in animosity? Hardly. Let’s just say I have an extremely low tolerance for lying sacks of crap. As far as demonizing, y’all don’t need any help from me. You’re doing just fine on your own.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 30, 2006 @ 7:37 am - October 30, 2006

  23. The ads in TN are not racist. Its just bigoted Leftists that assume that any southern Republican add will use race as a campaign issue since all southerners are cross-burners who can’t wait to bring back segregation. No one is bringing up race but white Dems. Ford has a good deal of white support in TN and I’ve voted for him myself when he was my representative. Many of us will not vote for him to the Senate for reasons that have nothing to do with race but of course you and the rest of the Left will declare it is his skin that lost him the bid if he does lose it. One could only wish that the Left could hate and mistrust terrorists with the same energy and commitment with which they hate and mistrust millions of their fellow Americans.

    Comment by VinceTN — October 30, 2006 @ 9:49 am - October 30, 2006

  24. I’m going to try hard to bypass the usual, predictable rhetoric and baloney from Ian and Chase and Brendan… it’s always good to see that their lines are plugged in tightly to the GayLeftBorg twirling wildly in cyberspace. Those folks love to taunt and bait more than discuss or debate… whatever floats their sinking ship.

    Dan, you raise a good point about the unproductive energies from the Geekladen-Land-of-the-Left… they do seem to spend inordinate amount of time using blogs to deceitful purpose (ala HRC’s role in the Foley IMs uncovered elsewhere and reported here), to help parrot talking points whipped up in the radical Left partisan chatrooms and blogs, and use the InterNet to spread misinformation like the Downing St Memo, Laura Bush the teen killer, Rove and C. Justice Roberts are lovers, etc.

    Fortunately, it doesn’t matter much… because in a large way, their efforts are targeted at each other, not voters. Wasted energies on the Left are always a good thing in my book. Let em get all geeked-out on google bombs, fake blog sites, fanciful lies and distortions.

    In a way, these guys are the newer version of the old stereotypical college students attending their first political convention –you know, the ones who stayed up all night in the ballroom making stupid signs that, after about 45 minutes of use, were left on the floor of the convention center along with candy wrappers, cigar butts, and debris from silly hats. 10 hours of effort; little or no benefit… just like all the geek-work from the partisans on the Left.

    For my money, I’ll take any day the tens of thousands of small groups of 30-40-50-60 people doing door2door lit drops in voter-rich neighborhoods and sophisticated GOP GOTV programs –coupled with GOP Voter Integrity Programs at the polls.

    Let the Left play out the geek tricks. Let the GayLeft carry the Democrats’ water on bashing fellow gays. In the end, it’s like the proverbial convention floor hand-made sign… it gets swept up and tossed at the end of the day.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — October 30, 2006 @ 10:13 am - October 30, 2006

  25. Rather than devote their time to promoting the positives aspects of their agenda, they would rather lurk in the swamps of hatred and vilification and spend their time finding ever more creative means to demonize their opponents. I wonder about people who spend so much time stewing in their animosity.

    The above qoute would be funny, if it wasn’t so sad..that you accuse the center/left of these tactics….the Dems don’t fight back (they get accused of being wimps)…when they fight back Fire with Fire…..they “stew in thier own animosity”?? huh??? Not ALL Repubs are bad…but, sorry – this group of Repubs are the lowest, of the low…rubber stamping, no over-sight, then we’ve had in decades……..these Repubs NEED to go, and TAKE thier RIGHT wing AGENDA with them. America is for ALL Americans, but NOT according to them!!!

    Comment by Sad American — October 30, 2006 @ 10:27 am - October 30, 2006

  26. One could only wish that the Left could hate and mistrust terrorists with the same energy and commitment with which they hate and mistrust millions of their fellow Americans.

    Hmmmm- who made this atmosphere…could it be the “UNITER”….I mean “DECIDER”…….under this Republican president and his cabinet..NEVER in my 46 yrs have I seen America so DEVIDED…UNITER MY ASS!

    Comment by Sad American — October 30, 2006 @ 10:30 am - October 30, 2006

  27. “Did I even say anything in my post about GOP negative ads?
    Nope, this post was about the lengths to which certain people go to express their hatred of certain groups.

    And yet every comment posted thus far has addressed the “hatred” of the left.

    It’s quite a leap of logic in any case to compare the villification of people on the basis of how they love to the villification of people for their wish to deny those people the right to love freely. It reminds me of the popular argument that attacking racists is racist.

    Comment by JonathanG — October 30, 2006 @ 12:42 pm - October 30, 2006

  28. Cardin and Steele is a good example of the difference between Democrats and Republicans.

    Steele is pointing out what Cardin supports; Cardin is pulling Steele’s credit report, making blackface pictures of Steele, and running a campaign filled with racist staffers.

    And why couldn’t your mother answer the question of whether or not she supported experiments being done on unborn children?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 30, 2006 @ 1:25 pm - October 30, 2006

  29. NDT…

    Because there are no “medical experiments being conducted on unborn babies”.

    An embryo in a petri dish is not a baby. If it were, you could leave it there and after 9 months, you’d have a child. Instead, you leave an embryo in a petri dish for 9 months and afterwards, all you’ll have is a mess.

    Comment by Chase — October 30, 2006 @ 1:53 pm - October 30, 2006

  30. An embryo in a petri dish is not a baby. If it were, you could leave it there and after 9 months, you’d have a child. Instead, you leave an embryo in a petri dish for 9 months and afterwards, all you’ll have is a mess.

    Then, Chase, are premature babies who need a respirator upon birth not real, since if you leave them without it, all you’ll have is a mess?

    Actually, the example I like to use of the Democratic Party’s priorities in this matter is the Endangered Species Act.

    (8) The term “fish or wildlife” means any member of the animal kingdom, including without limitation any mammal, fish, bird (including any migratory, nonmigratory, or endangered bird for which protection is also afforded by treaty or other international agreement), amphibian, reptile, mollusk, crustacean, arthropod or other invertebrate, and includes any part, product, egg, or offspring thereof, or the dead body or parts thereof.

    In other words, in the United States, for example, breaking or disrupting a California condor’s egg carries the same penalty as killing a live condor — even though, by Chase’s definition, said condor’s egg is not a condor, since if you left it alone without care for nine months, all you’d have is a mess.

    One of these days, “pro-choice” Democrats will have to explain to me why they coddle condor eggs, but throw out and vivisect human embryos.

    And I suggest you do it quickly, Chase, because an artificial womb isn’t that far off; at that point, are you going to redefine “human” again?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 30, 2006 @ 2:38 pm - October 30, 2006

  31. Cardin and Steele is a good example of the difference between Democrats and Republicans.

    You said a mouthful there. 🙂 From the vantage point of someone who really does want smaller government, there’s not a difference worth mentioning. I haven’t heard Steele or Cardin pitching any ideas worth voting for.

    Comment by kdogg36 — October 30, 2006 @ 3:50 pm - October 30, 2006

  32. #31 – Incidentally, Steele just got a huge endorsement today. Former Prince George’s County executive Wayne K. Curry, backed by five black Democrat members of the Prince George’s County Council, today endorsed Steele’s campaign for the U.S. Senate.

    According to the release, “Mr. Curry signaled his dissatisfaction with Maryland’s Democratic Party last spring, when a Democratic poll was leaked to the press, calling Mr. Steele a ‘unique threat’ to the Democrats.

    “Mr. Curry was incensed by the poll, and said at the time that Mr. Steele’s candidacy presented an ‘enormously historic’ opportunity for blacks that ‘may ultimately break this sort of vices grip by Democrats who feel entitled to black votes regardless of how they treat black voters.’

    “Prince George’s is also 65 percent black, and is expected to play a key role in Maryland’s Nov. 7 U.S. Senate race between Mr. Steele, who is from Prince George’s, and Rep. Benjamin L. Cardin, who is white and from Baltimore.”

    In other words, all those Oreos thrown at Steele by Dhimmicrap activists just caused a big shift in the electorate. As for Cardin, stick a fork in him, he’s done.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — October 30, 2006 @ 4:14 pm - October 30, 2006

  33. And while I’m posting, it’s a real comfort to know that I have “Sad American” to let me know that I am voting against my ‘own interests’…as if he had a fraction of a clue of what my interests actually are.

    The comments by “Sad American” would go a long way toward explaining the incurable sophistry that these Dhimmicraps seem to chronically espouse. And perhaps, why most of them are “sad” to begin with and as such are such America-haters.

    Checkmate.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — October 30, 2006 @ 5:52 pm - October 30, 2006

  34. #26 It takes two. I believe that Bush honestly desired to be a “uniter” but all I ever heard were demands that he comply with a Democrat agenda and screw the Republicans who voted for him. It’s a human sort of thing to put impossible demands on others and then blame them for your disatisfaction.

    #19 If most everyone agrees that the Swiftboat ads and charges were fabrications, please list what they said that wasn’t true. I felt that some of what they said wasn’t *important* but I never saw any actual refuting of the things they said other than in general “it’s not true” terms. Kerry still hasn’t made his military record public (a limited access is not “public”). That Bush didn’t go to Vietnam isn’t relevant to the truth of Kerry’s record or, much more importantly, what he did when he got home. Where was the fabrication?

    #16 Racist ads run against Harold Ford? There must be some ads I haven’t seen because while the anti Harold Ford ads I *have* seen weren’t very nice the charges of racism are a stretch into fantasy.

    Comment by Synova — October 30, 2006 @ 6:29 pm - October 30, 2006

  35. I can tell you which Swift Boat charges ARE true:

    – That Kerry smeared his fellow vets in the sensational, false 1971 testimony that launched his public career: Check.

    – That Kerry’s hurtfully false words were played back to POWs in the Hanoi Hilton as they were being tortured: Check.

    – That Kerry contacted North Vietnamese representatives in 1971 to learn what talking points he should push in the U.S., while Kerry was still under oath as a member of the United States armed forces (reserve), thus committing actual treason: Check.

    – That Kerry invented his “Christmas in Cambodia” story, a story central to his (Kerry’s) personal explanation of why he is politically a leftist, out of whole cloth: Check.

    – That Kerry got away with 3 Purple Hearts but never spent a day in a hospital, nor received any wound from an enemy deeper than skin deep: Check. (Note: The Purple Heart was established under George Washington to honor war veterans who lost limbs in enemy action.)

    – That Kerry was refused at least one of his Purple Hearts at first on the grounds because it was only a self-inflicted (accidental) wound, and that Kerry later re-filed and got the medal under fudge-factor circumstances: Check.

    – That Kerry’s other medals likewise have extremely fishy (signficantly false or exaggerated) action reports attached to them: Check.

    – That Kerry made a big public ceremony in the 70s of repudiating and throwing away his medals: Check.

    – That Kerry actually threw away SOMEONE ELSE’S medals and now claims pride in his own: Check.

    – That Kerry is an empty, disgusting windbag who would be all too likely to betray people serving under him via erratic, wholly political and self-serving decisions: Check.

    Comment by Calarato — October 30, 2006 @ 6:56 pm - October 30, 2006

  36. Brilliantly executed, Cal. HOO-RAH!

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — October 30, 2006 @ 7:04 pm - October 30, 2006

  37. And speaking of which, I just have to laugh when I listen to the liberals talk about how partisan the conservatives are and how divisive Republicans and conservatives are. How the hell more divisive can you be than to run ads on television falsely accusing Republicans of not wanting to cure people who have terminal diseases?

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — October 30, 2006 @ 7:05 pm - October 30, 2006

  38. P.S. Brendan, for the record, I couldn’t care less about your faux outrage over the Swifties. I see you have imbibed some falsehoods about Bush’s record, but let me skip over that and only point this out: in reality, Bush DIDN’T attack Kerry’s service record. Ever. Not once.

    The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were a group of honorable and highly decorated veterans who served with Kerry, who objected to Kerry the person (based on their first-hand knowledge of him – Not partisan), and who included Democrats, Greens, Constitutionalists and Independents with some Republicans. They tried to get their message out (first press conference) in spring of 2004, while the Democrats would still have time to change nominees. The Democrats just didn’t want to listen.

    Comment by Calarato — October 30, 2006 @ 7:08 pm - October 30, 2006

  39. thanks Peter 😉

    Don’t get me started on the stem cell fracas! Let’s see… Oh well… (1) embryonic stem cell is only 1 kind of stem cell research; (2) it remains perfectly legal; (3) it is the least promising kind – otherwise the pharma companies would be in on it; (4) the Bush Adminstration funds it – merely in forms where embryos aren’t being destroyed; (5) State governments fund the rest, i.e., where embryos are being destroyed; (6) Researchers have more funds for it today than they know what to do with….

    Comment by Calarato — October 30, 2006 @ 7:14 pm - October 30, 2006

  40. #39 Up until not too long ago I actually thought that embryonic stem cell research was illegal in the United States. It was rather shocking to realize that it’s not. I joke about not paying attention but in reality I do pay attention, maybe not as much as some, but I do, and I had no idea that the issue was only that tax funds, government money, could not be used and that private funds could be spent and the research done legally.

    (I’m probably the only person in the nation who opposes destroying human embryoes and supports cloning humans.)

    Comment by Synova — October 30, 2006 @ 7:38 pm - October 30, 2006

  41. In my area (western Kentucky) there are constant ads denoucing the ‘radical homosexual agenda.’ Of course, this can be read two ways: they only oppose a radical agenda or oppose the entire thing because it’s all a radical agenda. Naturally, Frank’s boyfriends are announced prominently. Ads like these make it hard to vote Republican.

    Comment by cbi — October 30, 2006 @ 7:52 pm - October 30, 2006

  42. In other words, all those Oreos thrown at Steele by Dhimmicrap activists just caused a big shift in the electorate. As for Cardin, stick a fork in him, he’s done.

    You really think so? As a lifelong Marylander, I will honestly be shocked if Steele wins; I’d be willing to give 20:1 odds on it (I think that’s the right terminology — I’d put up $1,000 to win $50).

    I won’t mind a bit if Steele wins, incidentally. Cardin is a run-of-the-mill establishment socialist scumbucket, who hasn’t yet responded to my rather scathing email regarding his vote to ban internet gambling (I am in the Md. 3rd District, so Cardin is my current congresman). He has no virtues to speak of, but I think it took a very week Democratic candidate for Gov. Ehrlich to win in a fairly Republican year nationwide four years ago. I don’t see Ehrlich winning re-election this year, or Steele beating Cardin. As I said, I’d put both at roughly 20:1, but I think Ehrlich has a better chance than Steele.

    Comment by kdogg36 — October 30, 2006 @ 9:14 pm - October 30, 2006

  43. “P.S. Brendan, for the record, I couldn’t care less about your faux outrage over the Swifties. I see you have imbibed some falsehoods about Bush’s record, but let me skip over that and only point this out: in reality, Bush DIDN’T attack Kerry’s service record. Ever. Not once.”

    What an idiot you are. Yes, Bush may have not personally attacked Kerry’s record but to act as if his campaign had no relationship to the Swift Vet attack is to live in a world of complete delusion. I am from Massachusetts and have no great love for Kerry and in fact have not voted him for him for Senator in years–I left it blank or wrote in someone else. But to claim that the ads weren’t fabricated is to ignore reality. There is no evidence that Kerry did not earn his awards and regardless whet you think of Vietnam, Kerry fought in the war–or was that just photo shop? Where was your beloved “I support waterboarding” Dick “I had other priorities” Cheney who managed to get one deferment after another during the Vietnam war and your beloved president?

    You people are pathetic whiny little war queens!

    Comment by Brendan Flynn — October 30, 2006 @ 10:56 pm - October 30, 2006

  44. #41
    Ads like these make it hard to vote Republican.

    Democrat candidates like these would make it a shallow win:

    Heath Shuler, NC (endorsed by John Edwards)
    Brad Ellsworth, IN
    Mike Weaver, KY

    Cue ND30.

    Comment by John in IL — October 30, 2006 @ 11:03 pm - October 30, 2006

  45. Correction: Democrat candidates like these

    Comment by John in IL — October 30, 2006 @ 11:18 pm - October 30, 2006

  46. Great evasion, Brendan.

    (1) Synova #34 asked you “please list what the[ Swift Boat Veterans for Truth] said that wasn’t true.”

    (2) I backed that up slightly with a list of what they said that I know IS true.

    (3) You dealt with neither… instead, in typical leftie fashion, you leapt at any chance you could get to change the subject – in this case, to distract by launching a personal attack on the second / lesser messenger.

    Your astounding, brilliant opening sally: “What an idiot you are.” Brendan, what powerful evidence in favor of Kerry, or against Bush, or whatever!

    Your follow-up, that shuts me up forever: A mere re-assertion, “There is no evidence that Kerry did not earn his awards.” What a comprehensive refutation of #35 (all of which is information in the public record, by the way) that is!!!!!!! I’m ANNIHILATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ROTFLMAO 🙂

    Folks, just check out this evisceration of Kerry’s Christmas in Cambodia” story alone: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27211-2004Aug23.html

    Or if you prefer to see REAL shipmates and Navy commanders of Kerry’s giving testimony about that story and Kerry’s phony medals as well, try here: http://www.swiftvets.com/swiftvetsandpows/

    Kerry talks and talks about suing them… but he always pulls the suit, just when it’s about time for them (in counter-discovery) to get Kerry’s deposition…. LOL.

    Comment by Calarato — October 30, 2006 @ 11:36 pm - October 30, 2006

  47. #43 Brendan, you’re shooting down claims that the Swiftboat vets didn’t make. There is no fabrication. On the Purple Hearts, it’s not that he didn’t *earn* them, but that they were for minor wounds. Are you saying that they weren’t for minor wounds? His other awards, it’s not that he didn’t *earn* them, but that he was a self-promoter and possibly even signed some of the recommendations, which wouldn’t be that damning or incredible. People act like those things are horrific charges, as though a medal citation is the same as God’s own Gospel… but then those are the same people who think Bush’s less than anal National Guard attendance is a horrific scandal so it probably can’t be helped. (The medal citation I have is probably more “creative” than most, but trust me… it’s an art form.) All that nit-picky stuff does is establish a pattern. No one would care except for what he did when he got home. IN FACT the interviews on the Swiftboat website, when those so passionately opposed to John Kerry were asked, prodded even, to call Kerry any sort of coward they REFUSED. NO ONE claimed that he didn’t serve a dangerous post bravely.

    What amazes me, which seems far beyond any claim to credibility, is the idea that the Swiftboat Vets for Truth were an organ of the Bush campaign rather than a genuine move by Vietnam vets who were horrified at the idea that JFKerry might possibly become president of the United States. I’m sure Rove was thrilled and Bush was happy, but it doesn’t put them behind the swiftboat vets who most certainly *were* made up of Democrats as well as Republicans.

    Brendan, you mention Kerry’s service… what about afterward? Do you really think that no one cares, that although most of us were aware of Jane Fonda’s activities that those more closely involved would have simularly strong feelings toward others and would *remember* and hold grudges?

    They still make Hanoi Jane urinal targets this many years later… do you think that anyone involved has forgotten about Winter Soldiers and “Ghengis Khan” and *throwing* away someone elses medals?

    Where’s the fabrication?

    Comment by Synova — October 31, 2006 @ 12:11 am - October 31, 2006

  48. Okay, I think that people *do* claim his purple hearts were bogus, but they were awarded for injuries and that’s up to the Navy. It’s just such terrific bad form to promote yourself on your medals. It’s another indication that Kerry doesn’t understand military culture any better than his campaign handlers do, and what’s up with that? He *should* understand, but he doesn’t.

    Comment by Synova — October 31, 2006 @ 1:00 am - October 31, 2006

  49. #23
    One could only wish that the Left could hate and mistrust terrorists with the same energy and commitment with which they hate and mistrust millions of their fellow Americans.

    I still wonder how they care more for how our prisoners are treated than they do for the Islamo-fascists prisoners.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 31, 2006 @ 3:17 am - October 31, 2006

  50. NEVER in my 46 yrs have I seen America so DEVIDED…UNITER MY ASS!

    NEVER in the last 6 yrs has ANYBODY seen the liberals even TRY to be UNITED. Bush tried and, as is the liberal MO, got screwed for it. Can anybody blame him for saying “Hell with it!”?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — October 31, 2006 @ 3:27 am - October 31, 2006

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    Comment by ccidnet — October 31, 2006 @ 10:21 am - October 31, 2006

  52. Then, Chase, are premature babies who need a respirator upon birth not real, since if you leave them without it, all you’ll have is a mess?

    The above comment is one of the stupidest I’ve read yet….petri dish/verses pre-mature birth……..whats in a petri dish is NOT birth….but a baby born/hence birth is….whether pre-mature or not…..its a baby. There IS a difference – you were the won who used the words (babies who need a respirator upon birth)….the difference is obvious ! …..and a side note: How3 any of you supposed “Gay Repubs” can back Bush is beyond me……I honestly don’t understand it at all?? The man has done all he can do Demonize US when it’s convienent for him/and elections…Is this the America you see for yourselves???

    Comment by Sad american — October 31, 2006 @ 1:19 pm - October 31, 2006

  53. That’s all right, Sad American; we know you can’t answer the question.

    Next up:

    How3 any of you supposed “Gay Repubs” can back Bush is beyond me……I honestly don’t understand it at all?? The man has done all he can do Demonize US when it’s convienent for him/and elections…Is this the America you see for yourselves???

    Well, given that Democrats like yourself call this, this, and “pro-gay” and “gay-supportive”, we’re really not sure that your definition of “demonization” has anything to do with how someone acts towards gays.

    In short, we figure that, given your past behavior, if Democrats ordered gays into the gas chamber, you and your fellows would be insisting that “they had our best interests at heart” and that killing us would be “gay-supportive”.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — October 31, 2006 @ 3:50 pm - October 31, 2006

  54. #52 I believe that you honestly don’t understand at all. If you’d like to try to understand, this might help. It’s obvious that you’re very passionate. Another way to say that is emotional. Emotions are good, but they don’t help anyone understand, and you’d like to understand. So for just a moment, do the Spock thing, okay? Analytical.

    So take a deap breath, in and out. Got the Spock zen thing going? Okay.

    We’ll start with the petri dish / birth question.

    Chase (apparently, I haven’t gone back and reread the comment thread) said that fertilized embryoes weren’t babies *because* if you just left them in the petri dish you would end up with a mess. It’s a “viability” standard. Someone else (who you quoted) pointed out another situation where the baby isn’t viable, will not live or develop, but where most people would agree that it is a baby.

    The claim that an embryo is the same as a premature infant isn’t the “stupidest I’ve read yet” because that claim wasn’t made. The claim was that an argument based on viability is flawed. If an embryo is not a baby it’s for some other reason.

    Second issue… take another calming breath, you aren’t being asked to agree, after all, merely understand.

    Gays supporting Republicans, particularly Bush. The impression I get from this board, not being lesbian myself, and from my own observations of various minority groups, women and poor people, all of whom supposedly vote “against their interests” by failing to vote Democrat, it all depends on whether or not an individual has the same idea about what their own interests *are*.

    What are my best interests? What are yours? Are they the same?

    Individuals have their own ideas about what is best for them. Some black people think that affirmative action is very bad for them for a variety of reasons. Not all women are “pro-choice.” And it seems that some gay people feel that conservative economic policies are best for them and Republican foreign policy is more realistic than liberal foreign policies, and necessary and important.

    Straight white men can have a variety of opinions about these things, so why not racial minorities, why not you and why not me?

    But Bush and the Republicans demonize gays. Right?

    Do they? Do Democrats do any better once it gets past mere talk? I can’t see that they do. In fact, with recent behavior it seems Democrats, in general, don’t seem to mind promoting the demonization of gay men or minorities if they can provoke politically useful responses. Why not portray gay men as predators if it can get people worked up to oppose Republicans because of Foley? Photoshop a Republican into “black face” or call them a house negro or house slave, claim that the fact a blond bimbo says “call me” to Ford Jr. in an ad is “racist” and nevermind that it just keeps all those negative things from ever going away. Don’t marginalize bigots, but rather dramatize them, encourage them, keep it all right up front in the public consciousness.

    It’s not unreasonable for *anyone* to decide that this isn’t promoting their interests. You have to chose which party promotes the policies you most agree with and how much weight is applied to different elements. Different people, even in similar circumstances, are going to come up with entirely different bottom lines.

    Comment by Synova — October 31, 2006 @ 4:03 pm - October 31, 2006

  55. Contradiction Alert: Isn’t one of the prime selling points of Left “idealism” supposed to be that it goes beyond mere self-interest?

    (Of course it does not. Leftists merely stand for the self-interest of the mooching classes: politicians, bureaucrats, lawyers, welfare recipients, unions and “business” people hoping to gain from government restrictions on business, and so forth. But they CLAIM to go beyond that.)

    Why, then, would the Left fault anybody for thinking beyond themselves and allegedly “not voting their self-interest”?

    Comment by Calarato — October 31, 2006 @ 4:29 pm - October 31, 2006

  56. (p.s. My gay self-interest lies with America strongly defended from Muslim jihad, the prevention of Democrat tax increases, and preservation of a relatively free / non-Hillary-ized medical system… so if I vote Republican, I am absolutely voting my gay self-interest – and proud of it.)

    Comment by Calarato — October 31, 2006 @ 4:37 pm - October 31, 2006

  57. Getting back to the thread – I think the reason the libtards use things like Google-bombing and other “creative” methods is because they simply can’t come out and be themselves to mainstream America. They constantly have to hide who they are.

    Of course, sometimes the mask does slip. Exhibit A – John Kerry.

    And I have since stopped using Google. Try Ask.com instead.

    As for me, well, I only use my powers for good.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — November 1, 2006 @ 1:43 am - November 1, 2006

  58. Haggard was outed. Are you going to defend him? He is, after all, a Republican.

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 10:38 pm - November 2, 2006

  59. Well, little jimmy, it also appears that the following report from a CBS News affiliate (and we all know it MUST be accurate, right?) contains the following:

    1. the Haggard accuser failed a lie detector test on his supposed “relationship” with Haggard;
    2. the Haggard accuser claims to have phone messages from Haggard – but won’t release them; and
    3. the Haggard accuser claims to have “envelopes of money” supposedly from Haggard – but won’t release them.

    http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_story_306172921.html

    Conclusion – this rentboy is trying to pull an Anita Hill on Haggard the week before a midterm election, trying to use the “guilt by association” tactic so beloved by the libtard left when trying to smear the GOP.

    Match, set, game. You lose.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — November 3, 2006 @ 1:05 pm - November 3, 2006

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