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November 1, 2006 by GayPatriot

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God Bless Our Troops!

Filed Under: Great Americans, War On Terror, World War III

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  1. Calarato says

    November 1, 2006 at 10:27 pm - November 1, 2006

    Countdown to Kerry NOT getting the joke on him, and instead intoning pompously “Today a unit of my fellow soldiers in Iraq even begged for my help in getting them unstuck…”
    – in 4, 3, 2….

  2. sean says

    November 1, 2006 at 10:52 pm - November 1, 2006

    But they are, as of now, stuck there. And that seems to be going well, huh?

  3. DoorHold says

    November 1, 2006 at 11:06 pm - November 1, 2006

    Funniest thing I’ve seen in a while.

    (And no, they’re not “stuck” there, nor are they there because they lack education.)

    BTW, I do understand what Kerry meant, but every once in a while you have to laugh when someone puts their foot in the mouth.

  4. Calarato says

    November 1, 2006 at 11:18 pm - November 1, 2006

    Ah, but DH, the secret is this: they are TOO DUMB to realize their true stuckness – which sean (#2) sees so much better, from his comfortable vantage point in the States and with his superior liberal intelligence.

    They are dumb because they signed up for the military and got stuck in Iraq. And, they signed up for the military and got stuck in Iraq because they are dumb. That’s the subtext. The Kerry Spirit Lives On, with sean!

  5. ColoradoPatriot says

    November 1, 2006 at 11:42 pm - November 1, 2006

    Dim Bulbs Unite!

  6. Gene in Pennsylvania says

    November 2, 2006 at 12:26 am - November 2, 2006

    God I love the troops. They work so hard and sacrifice so much to keep us all free. Liberals and Conservatives alike. I’d like to thank them.

  7. sloop says

    November 2, 2006 at 1:30 am - November 2, 2006

    headline from ace of spades hq

    John Murtha Proposes “Strategic Redeployment” Of John Kerry To Okinawa

    mark levin said some ‘quotes would surface’ tomorrow that will demonstrate kerry was sincere in his remarks

  8. Carl says

    November 2, 2006 at 1:34 am - November 2, 2006

    The media seems a lot more interested in the Kerry controversy than the public is. They tend to vote on real issues, whether that benefits the Republicans or the Democrats.

    John Boehner speaks:

    ” House Majority Leader John Boehner: Wolf, I understand that, but let’s not blame what’s happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld.

    Wolf Blitzer: But he’s in charge of the military.

    House Majority Leader John Boehner: But the fact is the generals on the ground are in charge and he works closely with them and the president. ”

    So apparently it’s OK to blame the troops as long as they’re generals…

  9. Vic says

    November 2, 2006 at 2:25 am - November 2, 2006

    #7 Kerry has been insulting the military for more than 35 years. This latest “gaffe” is nothing new.

  10. ThatGayConservative says

    November 2, 2006 at 3:06 am - November 2, 2006

    #4

    What? You didn’t use quagmire once in that post. What kind of self-hating kook are you. ;P

  11. Carl says

    November 2, 2006 at 6:04 am - November 2, 2006

    I haven’t seen the media talk about very much, but is it true that an American soldier has been left captive in Iraq because al-Sadr demanded the American forces not get involved?

  12. Kevin says

    November 2, 2006 at 7:16 am - November 2, 2006

    I’d like a little investigation into the military’s recuritment practices….seems they spend a lot of effort on getting guys with little or no education nor job prospects to act as the front line pawns in this immoral war.

  13. just me says

    November 2, 2006 at 7:36 am - November 2, 2006

    Kevin do you actually have stats to back that assertion up?

    And I have to agree with Calatro-Kerry likely will not get the fact that the joke this time is on him, and it is a much better joke than the one Kerry tried to tell.

  14. Kevin says

    November 2, 2006 at 7:49 am - November 2, 2006

    By the way, I listened to Bush’s call-in to Rush yesterday. Bush was talking about the importance of words and education. This from the man who has botched the english language more than anyone in history and got his Yale and Harvard educations thanks to his family’s money? I couldn’t stop laughing.

  15. V the K says

    November 2, 2006 at 8:47 am - November 2, 2006

    lester seems to have helped them with the spelling.

    Kevin the Goldfish is totally full of it as usual. My son is 15 and we have talked to recruiters and they have all been adamant that if you want to go anywhere in the military, you have to get an education. They even encouraged him to take a year or two of college before signing up.

  16. Michigan-Matt says

    November 2, 2006 at 9:16 am - November 2, 2006

    Good for these soldiers! Use humor to make a solid reply to Kerry’s stupid, demeaning comments. Unfortuantely, the Kerry Kamp is probably investigating whether the paint used to make this sign came out of the poster paints box in Karl Rove’s office. If that’s the case, Kerry wants to see Rove get frog-marched out of the WH with that box of poster paints in hand. But first, Bush must apologize for everything… for Iraq, for Kerry not winning, for oil prices, for Katrina, for Wilma, for Jennifer Flowers –opps, wrong female name.

    Let’s see, Kerry was in support of his comments before he decided not to support his comments and apologize… hmm, there’s another pattern typical of John Kerry. And yet I disagree with the pundits who say his 08 presidential hopes are toast… hell, he’s probably picked up votes in the radical core of the Left.

  17. John F in Indy says

    November 2, 2006 at 9:42 am - November 2, 2006

    These guys are putting their lives on the line day in and day out, and yet keep their sense of humor about the stuff back home. Gotta love them.

  18. Sad American says

    November 2, 2006 at 9:52 am - November 2, 2006

    Hmmm no mention of Bush pretending to look for WMD’s under his desk, behind curtains? Yea, he and his audience had a BIG LAUGH about that clip…”All the while soldiers were dying in his War of Lies”…sorry, but that TRUMPS a botched joke by a man who’s NOT the so-called President, and Instigator of this FAILED WAR!

  19. JonathanG says

    November 2, 2006 at 10:53 am - November 2, 2006

    It’s a true measure of Republican desperation when the best they can do is beat up John Kerry, not even a candidate, for mangling a joke whose context makes it clear what he meant. Many Republican pundits themselves have acknowledged this.

    And you think Dems overblew the Foley scandal for political purposes?

    As a measure of how detested Bush is, check out this video of Andrew Sullivan and Christopher Hitchens, two of the Preznit’s most vocal advocates in the past. Now that the political winds have turned against Bush, Sullivan in particular can’t slap the the Chimperor enough:

    http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/11/andrew-sullivan-on-cnn.html

  20. Patrick (Gryph) says

    November 2, 2006 at 11:22 am - November 2, 2006

    Geeze GP, do catch up with your own blog. Been there, done that.

    http://gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=1826#comment-176548

  21. Tom says

    November 2, 2006 at 11:40 am - November 2, 2006

    If any other Dim had made the same comment, it would have been ignored. Kerry has a history and that makes his comments suspect.

    Kerry’s ’72 Army Comments Mirror Latest

    By JOHN SOLOMON

    WASHINGTON (AP) – During a Vietnam-era run for Congress three decades ago, John Kerry said he opposed a volunteer Army because it would be dominated by the underprivileged, be less accountable and be more prone to “the perpetuation of war crimes.”

    Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran who turned against the war, made the observations in answers to a 1972 candidate questionnaire from a Massachusetts peace group.

    After Kerry caused a firestorm this week with what he termed a botched campaign joke that Republicans said insulted current soldiers, The Associated Press was alerted to the historical comments by a former law enforcement official who monitored 1970s anti-war activities

    Kerry apologized Wednesday for the 2006 campaign trail gaffe that some took as suggesting U.S. soldiers fighting in Iraq were undereducated. He contended the remark was aimed at Bush, not the soldiers.

    In 1972, as he ran for the House, he was less apologetic in his comments about the merits of a volunteer army. He declared in the questionnaire that he opposed the draft but considered a volunteer army “a greater anathema.”

    “I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown,” Kerry wrote. “We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam. I also fear having a professional army that views the perpetuation of war crimes as simply ‘doing its job.’

    “Equally as important, a volunteer army with our present constitutional crisis takes accountability away from the president and put the people further from control over military activities,” he wrote.

  22. Peter Hughes says

    November 2, 2006 at 11:59 am - November 2, 2006

    Funny how the lower-case-losers constantly harp upon the “moral authority” argument when it comes to Mama Sheehan’s commenting upon the war, but when it comes to those who are actually FIGHTING and WINNING the war in Iraq, “they don’t own the issue.”

    Make up your so-called minds. Do you want American to win the War on Terror? Yes or no? It isn’t that hard of a concept to grasp.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  23. Calarato says

    November 2, 2006 at 12:15 pm - November 2, 2006

    #20 – Geeze Gryph, do get a sense of humor! GP is on vacation: http://gaypatriot.net/2006/10/28/7-day-forecast-light-blogging

    #23 – Yeah Peter, isn’t that funny? A woman who did nothing in the War on Terror except suffer a passive loss and demand attention for it as compensation has “absolute moral authority”, while the guys (men and women) actually doing the fighting / dying, don’t have it! LOL

  24. Peter Hughes says

    November 2, 2006 at 12:34 pm - November 2, 2006

    And Cal, from what I’ve gleaned from Daddy Sheehan’s comments about his now-divorced wife’s relationship with Casey, they didn’t get on too well when he was alive. In fact, Casey signed up for TWO tours in Iraq just to piss off his mom.

    Lots of love there in the Sheehan family, isn’t there?

    And look who the opportunist turned out to be in all of this “tragedy.”

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  25. Calarato says

    November 2, 2006 at 12:38 pm - November 2, 2006

    Hmm, well, I think Casey also signed up for his tours (re-upping in 2004 with Iraq in mind) because he believed in defending America 😉

    From what I could gather, Cindy was the odd one out in that family – the rest of the family supported Casey, and (from their limited public statements) is not on board with what she’s doing.

  26. Peter Hughes says

    November 2, 2006 at 1:28 pm - November 2, 2006

    If Cindy Sheehan were richer, John Kerry would marry her.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  27. Gene in Pennsylvania says

    November 2, 2006 at 1:47 pm - November 2, 2006

    #21 Devastating. Kerry was the Democrat standard bearer just two short years ago. Every Democrat should be asked why their judgement was so poor that they didn’t know what was in this mans heart. Their poor judgement that almost put Kerry in the White House. Kerry loathes the military. Secretly most liberals do too. The mask is off. This wasn’t a one time misstatement or misquote. Mr Kerry should resign. Our men and women are putting their lives on the line for Democrats as well as Republicans. Imagine how Kerry has made the troops feel.

  28. Gene in Pennsylvania says

    November 2, 2006 at 1:52 pm - November 2, 2006

    If the military loathing Sen Kerry is on any military committees in the Senate, he should resign from them immediately.

  29. Peter Hughes says

    November 2, 2006 at 1:57 pm - November 2, 2006

    Gene, that would be great if one had the presumption that the Dhimmicraps had any sense of the word “honor.” Don’t count on it.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  30. North Dallas Thirty says

    November 2, 2006 at 2:00 pm - November 2, 2006

    Again, the troops don’t own the issue. These guys don’t get it. Kerry is the one trying to get them home. They’re fighting a war that your party got us into, based on lies, yada, yada, yada.

    Perhaps they get it because, everywhere they look, they see the evidence.

    Kerry voted against Desert Storm, of all things. He has shown over YEARS that he is nothing but a syncophant and puppet for brutal dictators, from the North Vietnamese through Saddam and all the way to Kim Jong Il.

    Of course Kerry wants our troops out of Iraq — they’re what’s keeping the Saddam leftovers from regaining power. Just as he wanted our troops out of Vietnam — they were the ones keeping the North Vietnamese from slaughtering and “re-educating” millions of people. Just as he voted against Desert Storm — our troops were going to expel and possibly topple Saddam Hussein.

    The reason Kerry is never challenged on this is, quite frankly, because people like you, Anon1, are easily manipulated by playing on your beliefs that the United States is always wrong.

  31. Patrick (Gryph) says

    November 2, 2006 at 2:29 pm - November 2, 2006

    Of course Kerry wants our troops out of Iraq — they’re what’s keeping the Saddam leftovers from regaining power. Just as he wanted our troops out of Vietnam — they were the ones keeping the North Vietnamese from slaughtering and “re-educating” millions of people. Just as he voted against Desert Storm — our troops were going to expel and possibly topple Saddam Hussein.

    More hysterical screaming from NDT. And his ridiculous analysis of the Iraq situation indicates clearly why he is such a demagogic liar. If the US troops left today, the Batthists will not be coming back to power. The now rather well-armed Shia and Kurds, not to mention Iran, would prevent that. The most they might end up with is with control of the small Sunni dominated provinces. Now if the troops were to pull out today, yes, it would be a disaster, a blood-bath, etc. But no, Saddam and his Party are not coming back to control Iraq.

    But you see, a mere blood-bath doesn’t suit NDT’s purposes here, which is to completely demonize Kerry or anyone else that might question the wisdom of the GOP, and to put them into knowing collusion with Saddam, the Viet-Cong and probably the anti-Christ too. It also doesn’t suit NDT’s purpose of eliminating any rational discussion and criticism of the GOP’s leadership on Iraq. So NDT goes for the over-the-top and dishonest ranting of a true GOP harpy. He makes Cindy Sheehan almost look rational in comparison.

  32. Michigan-Matt says

    November 2, 2006 at 2:46 pm - November 2, 2006

    Gryph, why do you continue to attack people on this blog and make snide, petty comments about Dan and Bruce’s efforts here if you loathe this blog as much as yourself?

    I think it might be good for you to finally go see that therapist we’ve all been urging and confront the inner hatred that burns and tarnishes your perspective on most things.

    Frankly, your pronouncements on what will happen in Iraq if the Coalition Forces cut, run and leave the country (yes, Martha, there are other nations serving in Iraq alongside the Iraqi) means little to anyone with even a pea-sized brain. I’m not surprised that fact escapes you.

    Having good natured and intelligent friends in the US State Dept who swing from the other political banner and have first-hand experience–that means real, Gryph… not your uninformed armchair perspective– in Iraq tell me that if we cut, run and leave as you want, Saddam and his people will make it back into power aided by intern’l Sunnis. They are certain of it and they know a heck of lot more than your overinflated, LazyBoy lounger perspective gleaned from the DailyKos.

    You’re just flat out wrong again. NDXXX nailed the point str8 on and that continues to piss you off. Like Anonie-non-mouse, you too Gryph, are a pair of BlameAmericaFirsters.

    Therapy, bud. Before Calarato and I have to work with your friends to pull together an intervention.

    Stick to writing poetry on your blog… it better suits your skill set.

  33. ThatGayConservative says

    November 2, 2006 at 2:59 pm - November 2, 2006

    Kerry loathes the military. Secretly most liberals do too.

    Secretly?
    The libs have been screaming it for years.

  34. Michigan-Matt says

    November 2, 2006 at 3:04 pm - November 2, 2006

    And Gryph, if you needed a money quote from NDXXX’s comments above it would be:

    “The reason Kerry is never challenged on this is, quite frankly, because people like you, Anon1, are easily manipulated by playing on your beliefs that the United States is always wrong.”

    I think you let your hatred of the military establishment (for denying you and your buds full and fair access to all things soldierly) stain your world view and that of America.

    It’s a great country, Gryph. Bush is your twice-elected President whether you like it or not. I wish they had taught you something about patriotism when you were in the service… but I guess hatred nixes patriotism and self-interest in a heartbeat for the Left.

  35. North Dallas Thirty says

    November 2, 2006 at 3:18 pm - November 2, 2006

    But you see, a mere blood-bath doesn’t suit NDT’s purposes here, which is to completely demonize Kerry or anyone else that might question the wisdom of the GOP, and to put them into knowing collusion with Saddam, the Viet-Cong and probably the anti-Christ too.

    Thank you for demonstrating my point, Gryph:

    The reason Kerry is never challenged on this is, quite frankly, because people like you, Anon1, are easily manipulated by playing on your beliefs that the United States is always wrong.

    In your case, it’s your automatic tendency to defend anyone who opposes the Bush administration as right.

    Kerry opposed Desert Storm and repeatedly tried to get sanctions on Saddam lifted, all of which facilitated Saddam’s free and brutal hand, plus cementing and maintaining his control of Iraq. Kerry openly met with the Viet Cong in Paris to discuss ways to get the American armed forces out of Vietnam. Kerry continues to this day to disparage American soldiers, as he did before Congress, as he does IN Congress, and in front of partisan audiences. Kerry even supports the “immediate pullout” that you, ironically, claim would result in a bloodbath.

    And yet, pointing all of those facts out is somehow “demonizing” him.

    What this does is emphasize, Gryph, that your concept of right and wrong is rather black and white — anyone who is anti-Bush is right, regardless of what else they say, and anyone who is in the least bit supportive of Bush — or points out the record of anti-Bush individuals like Kerry — is wrong.

  36. Calarato says

    November 2, 2006 at 3:45 pm - November 2, 2006

    Gryph seems to be slinging around the phrase “demagogic liar” as if it somehow meant something, or administered a blow. It doesn’t. By way of demonstration, let’s drill down on it, shall we?

    From the Concise Oxford English Dictionary (2002):

    – demagogue = “a political leader who seeks support by appealing to populare desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument”
    – liar = “a person who tells lies”
    – lie = “an intentionally false statement”

    For someone to be a “demagogic liar”, then, they must meet at least five conditions:

    (1) They must be seeking political power / popularity.
    (2) They must do so by appealing to popular positions.
    (3) They must do so in lieu of presenting (or possessing) a rational argument.
    (4) In the course of which, they must make false statements. And,
    (5) They must know the statements are false as they make them; i.e., they must actively intend to deceive.

    Again: They must meet ALL five conditions. Now let’s see how they match to NDT, shall we? Or Matt or Bruce or me or anybody Gryph wants to apply it to.

    (1) The idea that NDT (or whoever else) would be seeking political power by posting anonymously on an obscure blog (sorry Bruce) is so absurd as to require zero comment.

    (2) Conservative viewpoints are not popular, if you believe the MSM and the left-liberals on GP. And we know Gryph does. Therefore, Gryph has NO good-faith standing whatsoever to accuse NDT or the other gay patriots here of trying to appeal to POPULAR feelings and positions.

    (3) Whether NDT’s rational arguments are always correct in the end or not, he does always speak from a position of having one. (Unlike Gryph, BTW.)

    (4) NDT’s factual statements are almost always true.

    (5) On the rare occasions when NDT’s factual statements aren’t true, he rapidly apologizes for errors and accepts valid corrections. In other words: His intent is always to be truthful. (Not to deceive.)

    Conclusion: We could call Gryph’s accusation “exaggerated” if he were off on, say, one or two of the 5 conditions. But look – he’s off on 5 of 5.

    What do you call an accusation that is off on 5 of 5 necessary conditions? I call it, ***NUTTY***.

  37. North Dallas Thirty says

    November 2, 2006 at 3:48 pm - November 2, 2006

    I think you let your hatred of the military establishment (for denying you and your buds full and fair access to all things soldierly) stain your world view and that of America.

    Mmmm, I wouldn’t say that Gryph hates the military establishment, Matt. I think he just hates Bush and Republicans so much that he, like SLDN, will do and say anything in support of anti-military leftists like Kerry.

    What I find ironic is that SLDN and Gryph would be much more believable in terms of their “gays want to serve” message if they weren’t constantly allying with people who regularly denigrate and mock our troops and our military. But those are the people who are anti-Bush and anti-Republican, and frankly, that trumps everything else in their mind.

  38. Calarato says

    November 2, 2006 at 3:49 pm - November 2, 2006

    P.S. Folks, I have to add that, while Gryph claims to be a Kerry critic in his own right, Gryph seems to do Kerry-like, incredibly inept and self-overblown insults and (bad) arguments, quite readily. Thus, I personally find that Gryph often reminds me of Kerry.

  39. JustAQuestion says

    November 2, 2006 at 3:57 pm - November 2, 2006

    Anyone remember that the President’s own fulfillment of his National Guard duty is completely undocumented? A seriously unusual amount of paperwork is completely missing, most likely destroyed by Bush’s own staff while Governor. No credible witnesses have come forward to back his claim while several credible witnesses claim he never completed his service.

  40. Calarato says

    November 2, 2006 at 3:59 pm - November 2, 2006

    JAQ, what a strange non sequitur! How strange that you would still be obsessed with that. (I mean, aside from the raw silliness of your claims, which I could go into if I had time and cared.)

  41. Michigan-Matt says

    November 2, 2006 at 4:05 pm - November 2, 2006

    Calarato, I have to tell you… Gryph does hate the military establishment –by that, I mean the military leadership, not the rank & file. I should have used the more pointed “leadership”.

    He often ranted about how that’s where the last vestige of anti-gay homophobic (God, I love that silly term) men can be found residing –unless it’s at a religious retreat for fundamentalists. They are denying his beloved gays-in-the-military issue from being addressed… that and George Bush and the GOP in Congress.

    Because we all know, that there is no political will to enforce what “nearly everyone in the military and general public” want: gays openly serving in the Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard.

    No political will at all. It’s those evil GOPers keeping the good gays down. Thwarting the public’s will.

    Yeah, I think Gryph hates the military leadership as much as he hates GWB –his twice elected President– and the GOP.

    BTW, nice lesson on the wordsmithing.

  42. North Dallas Thirty says

    November 2, 2006 at 4:13 pm - November 2, 2006

    LOL…..let me point out something to you, JustAQuestion.

    Your story, which cites Bill Burkett extensively as a reliable source on Bush documents, came out on September 9, 2004.

    Perhaps you can explain what happened eleven days later.

    Bluntly put, Burkett admitted that he lied about where he procured said documents in order to facilitate the story being moved to the media and to smear Bush.

    Why are we to believe that he is not lying in your citation about documents then, especially since he has already demonstrated that he will lie about them to smear Bush?

    Furthermore, what is your comment on the fact that Burkett met with the Kerry campaign, specifically Max Cleland, to discuss the documents, as facilitated by CBS, whose producer Mary Mapes also notified the Kerry campaign that they were planning to run a story based on said documents so that they could coordinate messages?

  43. just me says

    November 2, 2006 at 5:53 pm - November 2, 2006

    Kevin I am still waiting to see your proof for this assertion:

    I’d like a little investigation into the military’s recuritment practices….seems they spend a lot of effort on getting guys with little or no education nor job prospects to act as the front line pawns in this immoral war.

  44. Patrick (Gryph) says

    November 2, 2006 at 6:11 pm - November 2, 2006

    Michigan-Matt says:

    It’s a great country, Gryph. Bush is your twice-elected President whether you like it or not. I wish they had taught you something about patriotism when you were in the service… but I guess hatred nixes patriotism and self-interest in a heartbeat for the Left.

    While I don’t usually correct MM anymore when he makes untrue statements about me (that I’m and atheist, or a Democrat, etc…) I do think I need to point out that I have never claimed to have served in the military. For the record, I have not.

    I do come from a military family, in that most of my relatives and ancestors have served. So maybe thats where he is getting confused. But then he’s confused so often it’s difficult to tell.

    And nope, I do not hate the military. I think its a fine and honorable calling with a rich history of service in our country. I do hate DADT however, because I think it betrays fundamental US military values that I have learned to admire and respect; fraternity, honor, shared sacrifice. I do not seek to remove DADT in order to modernize it or change its culture. In my view I’m just trying to remind the military of its own values that it has, on this issue, forgotten.

    Oh and yes, indeed Bush is my President. However, that does not mean that he is a good President and that I should pretend otherwise.

    ___

    I did see that NDT, Caralato etc. made some more effete mutterings with my name in them, but I’m not very interested reading them. No doubt they are just another variation on the same old “Gryph is the Anti-Christ” narrative they like to run so often. Yawn.

  45. North Dallas Thirty says

    November 2, 2006 at 6:20 pm - November 2, 2006

    No doubt they are just another variation on the same old “Gryph is the Anti-Christ” narrative they like to run so often.

    Oh please, Gryph.

    Antichrist is regularly described as being almost supernaturally powerful, intelligent, persuasive, and charming. If you were the Antichrist, I’d say Satan is really adjusting his expectations on those downward.

  46. Calarato says

    November 2, 2006 at 6:25 pm - November 2, 2006

    And, like he doesn’t read it. We’ve seen that claim… fail… before.

    LOL 🙂

  47. Calarato says

    November 2, 2006 at 6:48 pm - November 2, 2006

    By the way – I love looking up words. I usually know what they mean already, of course, but getting clear on the definition is fun. I looked up “effete” as well. Though pejorative, part of its meaning has to do with refinement.

    It leaves me mildly amused by the gyrations in Gryph’s slurs on us. In a very recent thread, I went from Goebbels incarnate to “nothing special” in minutes… and now I’m basically, well, refined! I know we’ve seen similar gyrations in his slurs / name-calling on you guys (NDT, Matt, V, etc.).

  48. Robert says

    November 2, 2006 at 7:51 pm - November 2, 2006

    I’ve noticed that even John Derbyshire has admitted that Kerry was mocking Bush, not the troops.
    Also, regarding Michigan-Matt’s spirited defense of our ‘twice-elected’ President – I made a solemn promise to myself about ten years ago that, whoever wound up being the next Republican President, I would show him (or her) the same respect, consideration and deference that R.Emmett Tyrell had shown POTUS #42.

  49. Michigan-Matt says

    November 2, 2006 at 7:57 pm - November 2, 2006

    I’m just sorry he won’t seek professional help, Calarato… I think we need to schedule an intervention with his friends. And this whole “I don’t read or respond” childishness is vintage raj. Right, that’s why he responds with such anger… then plays it off to bordeom (yawn) and so forth. Flip flop; ying yang. But always avoiding the main question: So why do YOU post here if you have such distain for this place Gryph?

    (I think he’s trying to get his GayLeft buds to read his blog… which they don’t by the counts).

    For the record Gryph, you’ve repeatedly said you were raised by an atheist (your Dad) and you are anti-religion and are inclined toward being “mostly” an atheist… which is sort of like, “I’m not sure God exists, but I want to impress my gay friends who also hate religion, and I’m going to hedge my bets in case He does exist.” Plus, you’re an equal opportunity religious bigot –slamming Muslims, Christianists (sic) and others without abandon. If you haven’t told yourself you’re an atheist yet, you need to get in touch with the inner self because you are one, bub.

    On the military issue I think you need to rethink your earlier statements about Army service, then. It’s ok, the GayLeft makes things up all the time when they get into a debate with a superior intellect and you’re no exception. You can backtrack and readjust… well, I wasn’t in the service, my family was –LOL. You’ve been watching LurchKerry apologize too much lately… picking up bad traits. But then, if you aren’t reading this then –a response isn’t needed. Let’s just let the truth speak for itself, Gryph.

    Calarato, I think Gryph flips around in his emotional outbursts more than LurchKerry changes his mind.

    And I agree with NDXXX, you are certainly no Anti-Christ Gryph… don’t flatter yourself.

  50. Calarato says

    November 2, 2006 at 8:03 pm - November 2, 2006

    Robert, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Why is “it was a botched joke, mocking President Bush” somehow a defense???????

    First of all, Kerry said what he actually said – Not what he wished he said. Second, have you seen Kerry’s proposed alternate (what he wished he’d said)?

    “Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush.”

    That continues to insult the troops’ intelligence, for a very high proportion of them re-enlisted precisely so they could be in Iraq. And they recognize the continued insult from Kerry.

    Kerry’s half-assed “I’m sorry you senseless freaks out there were so insane that you actually took my words as offensive” type of apology only seals the deal. He thinks the troops are dumb. He has told them in so many ways, this week. It’s unmistakable.

    One positive upside: Kerry is finished for ’08. (If he wasn’t already.)

  51. Calarato says

    November 2, 2006 at 8:03 pm - November 2, 2006

    Darn… Sorry about unintended formatting error.

  52. Michigan-Matt says

    November 2, 2006 at 8:05 pm - November 2, 2006

    Robert… and when did the great Tyrell become the model for ideal presidential deference?

    The last rally I attended where Slick Willy was the object of honor was his political stumping for candidates and wound up at MSU in East Lansing. I went, saw some fellow GOPers there with signs and encouraged them to keep them down during the Prez’s comments and while he had center stage –out of respect– and they did and I applauded when he was finished.

    Tyrell is as much a junk yard dog as Beckel or Carville or Schummer or Dean or Dodd. They could learn a few lessons in civil respect.

  53. God of Biscuits says

    November 2, 2006 at 8:08 pm - November 2, 2006

    “Mishin Akomplisht”

  54. Calarato says

    November 2, 2006 at 8:09 pm - November 2, 2006

    #50 –

    So why do YOU post here if you have such distain for this place Gryph?
    (I think he’s trying to get his GayLeft buds to read his blog… which they don’t…)

    Exactly, Matt. 🙂 Well, I thanked Gryph privately for his conceding the field readily, this time.

  55. Michigan-Matt says

    November 2, 2006 at 8:58 pm - November 2, 2006

    I kind of like the idea that if someone posts their website in the comments section, if someone clicks on it… the clicked site has to pay a small stipend to the intermediary.

    Gryph and GoB would be broke in a day jst from this site and the OutSports forum on lycra clad high school wrestlers team pics.

  56. Kevin says

    November 2, 2006 at 9:24 pm - November 2, 2006

    44: Notice that my statement starts with “i’d like to see some investigation” I think that says right there that I don’t have the stats myself, now doesn’t it?

    15: Big difference between people going into the military for a career and getting people who have little education to die on the front lines. Also, how much of the military is made up of people who have joined up to avoid jail time? Or precentage who only have a GED? not completed high school?

    Only good thing to come out of this war are the guys in the field who are in their fatigues dropping their pants for a camera that make their way to certain websites…

  57. jimmy says

    November 2, 2006 at 10:12 pm - November 2, 2006

    Iraq is coming along fabulously!! They will have gay pride parades there next year. And the Bush girls will ride in the front car of the parade! I am so happy that at least some of the troops see what they are doing in Iraq as fabulous. The MoonBatLibDemLeftQueerCommieLovingAmericaHating people, you know, have infiltrated the military and some of them think, like the MoonBatLibDemLeftQueerCommieLovingAmericaHating people, that Iraq isn’t goign so well. These MoonBatLibDemLeftQueerCommieLovingAmericaHating people are numerous! A real scourge on the nation. Something like 70% of the country!! These people aren’t hot or fabulous. They are just suckers for the MoonBatLibDemLeftQueerCommieLovingAmericaHating line.

    Anyone that thinks the President, Mr. Rumsfeld, and the rest of them in the Gloriously Fab Administration are screwing around with the lives of the troops in a war without a plan are just plain silly and need to read Ann Coulter and Gay Patriot more. Even FOX News is getting a little MoonBatLibDemLeftQueerCommieLovingAmericaHating, making mentions of how MoonBatLibDemLeftQueerCommieLovingAmericaHating people aren’t happy with this war. But we, the charmed circle, know: Iraq is fabulous.

    VOTE FREEDOM! VOTE SANTORUM!!!

  58. Frank IBC says

    November 2, 2006 at 10:14 pm - November 2, 2006

    Sarcasm addiction is such a terrible disease.

  59. jimmy says

    November 2, 2006 at 10:16 pm - November 2, 2006

    Hey Gryph, I’m SO Christian, I’d throw Jesus back up on the cross again and again, just we we could all remember that he died for our sins. Please pass the nailgun…..

  60. Frank IBC says

    November 2, 2006 at 10:26 pm - November 2, 2006

    See my #59.

  61. Gene in Pennsylvania says

    November 2, 2006 at 10:27 pm - November 2, 2006

    #57 Damn Kevin, now the troops are jailbirds too. Call Kerry and have him make another speech for ya.

  62. Patrick (Gryph) says

    November 2, 2006 at 11:12 pm - November 2, 2006

    Michigan-Matt continues lying:…..

    For the record Gryph, you’ve repeatedly said you were raised by an atheist (your Dad) and you are anti-religion and are inclined toward being “mostly” an atheist… which is sort of like, “I’m not sure God exists, but I want to impress my gay friends who also hate religion, and I’m going to hedge my bets in case He does exist.” Plus, you’re an equal opportunity religious bigot –slamming Muslims, Christianists (sic) and others without abandon. If you haven’t told yourself you’re an atheist yet, you need to get in touch with the inner self because you are one, bub.

    On the military issue I think you need to rethink your earlier statements about Army service, then. It’s ok, the GayLeft makes things up all the time when they get into a debate with a superior intellect and you’re no exception. You can backtrack and readjust… well, I wasn’t in the service, my family was –LOL. You’ve been watching LurchKerry apologize too much lately… picking up bad traits. But then, if you aren’t reading this then –a response isn’t needed. Let’s just let the truth speak for itself, Gryph.

    Well Michigan-Matt, you got it. “Let’s just let the truth speak for itself.” If you can find any instance where I have ever claimed to be an atheist or a member of the military or even “mostly an atheist” whatever the hell that is supposed to mean, then prove it.

    I know you won’t. I’ve called you out on this stuff before. You always ignore whenever I challenge you directly on your lies about me. I think its more your record that speaks for itself. Besides the glaring dishonesty, its your rank cowardice that really sticks out.

  63. Calarato says

    November 3, 2006 at 1:37 am - November 3, 2006

    “…find any instance…prove it….

    You want to hold Matt to a much, **MUCH** higher standard, Gryph, than you hold yourself to.

  64. V the K says

    November 3, 2006 at 6:59 am - November 3, 2006

    You know, this picture has received just about zero coverage in the legacy media.

    If the banner had read “Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld Suck,” how much do you want to bet it would have been the top story on CNN for three days, would have gotten almost as much play in the WaPo as the “macaca” story, would have made the cover of Time, Newsweek and USN&WR, and that CBS, ABC, and NBC would have sent reporters to Iraq to find the soldiers and interview them?

  65. just me says

    November 3, 2006 at 11:06 am - November 3, 2006

    Well Kevin I just happen to have some of that information for you.

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda05-08.cfm

    Proportionally, both poorer and richer areas provide slightly fewer recruits, and middle-income areas provide slightly more.

    This evidence directly contradicts Representative Rangel’s claim that under­privileged Americans are the source of military manpower and that the privileged are underrepresented. In fact, Chart 4 shows that every ZCTA income bracket below $40,000 provided the same number or fewer recruits after 9/11, while all brackets above $40,000 provided the same number or more.

    We find that, on average, recruits tend to be much more highly educated than the general pub­lic and that this education disparity increased after the war on terrorism began

    98 percent of all enlisted recruits who enter the military have an education level of high school graduate or higher, compared to the national aver­age of 75 percent.[5] In an education context, rather than attracting underprivileged young Americans, the military seems to be attracting above-average Americans.

    The whole article is worth reading.

  66. Michigan-Matt says

    November 3, 2006 at 1:42 pm - November 3, 2006

    Wait, wait, wait Gryph-ster. Let’s begin at the beginning of your lies. Now, you said you didn’t read any of this?

    But then you give us your contemporary proof that you DO read the comments. You wrote you don’t respond because, yawn, it’s such tedious work. And then you do respond, wildly. LOL We’ll just start with the truth and stop there? OK.

    Need more proof of your deception besides the last 5 minutes of your life?

    Didn’t think so. You are so wrong so often, you shouldn’t be allowed to drive a vehicle or vote. Thank God you’re on THEIR side.

  67. Eddie Graziano says

    November 3, 2006 at 7:14 pm - November 3, 2006

    Matt, your focus on Gryph is becoming an obsession. Ankle-biting in its most extreme form. Chill man, and go get yourself a dose of your Michigan polls again. They were looking real good last time you reported them here.

  68. Michigan-Matt says

    November 6, 2006 at 2:20 pm - November 6, 2006

    Heya EddieG, I’m just responding to the Gryphster’s rants… no obsession here, trust me.

    It’s good to see the borg unite.

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