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Kerry Fails to Apologize, Lashes out at Bush & GOP

I’m certainly not the first one to say this, but it’s quite clear that John Kerry has not yet apologized for his remark Monday suggesting that if students didn’t work hard in college, they could end up in the military, “stuck in Iraq.” Captain Ed called it a “non-apology apology.”

While Kerry issued a statment where he claimed that his “poorly stated joke at a rally was not about, and never intended to refer to any troop,” he suggests the problem was not so much his “verbal slip” as that his “my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform.” Note his use of the passive here. Suggest that the issue was created not so much by his words, but by others who “misinterpreted” them.

Given that his comment on Monday mirrors what he said in 1972 when he was “convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown,” it doesn’t seem that the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee was attempting to make a joke at the president’s expense, but instead expressing what he really felt about our armed forces.

What strikes me more than anything is that even in this statement of clarification, he has to lash out at Republicans, claiming that the GOP “would rather talk about anything but their failed security policy.” If he were truly expressing regret for a “botched joke,” he would issue his statement, make his clarification — and not issue any other attacks. But, making such attacks is second nature to John Kerry and his ilk.

Indeed, his words notwithstanding, he hasn’t provided much evidence of what the “change of course” he offers nor the “winning strategy” he has in store for our troops. He just attacks the president, wallowing in his own bitterness over his loss two years ago.

There is much that this latest brouhaha says about John Kerry — and those Democrats who refuse to criticize him.* Every time someone takes issue with something he says, he, like other Democrats, lashes out at President Bush and/or the GOP.

I don’t know that Kerry’s comment and failure to apologize will have the effect on the elections that Republicans would like it to have, but his comment does put another nail in the coffin of the Massachusetts’ Democrat’s presidential ambitions.

* To their credit, a number of Democrats have taken issue with the remarks of their party’s erstwhile nominee including its current nominee for Governor in Mr. Kerry’s home state.

UPDATE: So toxic has Kerry become that Deval Patrick, the Democratic gubernatorial candidate in the Senator’s home state, has cancelled a series of appearances with him. Guess the erstwhile 2004 Democratic presidential nominee has become toxic even in the only state that went for George McGovern in 1972. Patrick must fear that Kerry’s presence alongside him might cut into the 20-point lead he enjoys over his Republican opponent. (Via Dean Barnett at Hugh Hewitt.)



  1. Thanks, Dan.

    Many commentors have offered Kerry’s claim that he meant it as a slam on President Bush as a self-evident defense. It isn’t.

    First of all, Kerry said what he really said – Not what he wished he said. Second, Kerry’s proposed alternate (that he wished he said) is:

    “Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush.”

    That continues to insult the troops’ intelligence, because a high proportion of them re-enlisted precisely so they could fight in Iraq for all of us. They recognize the continued insult. Kerry’s passive-aggressive “I’m sorry you took offense, you freak” type of apology only seals it.

    Comment by Calarato — November 2, 2006 @ 8:40 pm - November 2, 2006

  2. Dan, I think Kerry’s non-apology and the graciousness of professionals like Tony Snow and Bill OReilly to accept his non-apology as one (or at least as close to one as Kerry could come) only points out the difference between forgiving GOPers and the elitist snob Mr Kerry has assumed to be given his gigilo wealth.

    Kerry CAN remake himself in time for the 08 battling within the Democrat ranks… to think not is to sell him short and to underestimate how true his demeaning comments rang for the radical Democrat activist Left –frankly, he may have cemented his leadership in the 08 race for Dem Party prez nod with his comments.

    Afterall, he just said what most Dems have always thought: military service is a notch below McD’s. Clinton-to-Carter, Mondale-to-Muskie; it hasn’t changed.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — November 2, 2006 @ 8:48 pm - November 2, 2006

  3. Here’s a scenario that I could see possibly panning out next week.

    By Wednesday morning, control of the house is still not certain, pending the outcome of recounts in 3-4 districts. (Or, control of the Senate hangs on recounts in one state). The disputed elections are counted and re-counted giving electron-orbit thin margins to Republicans. Democrats demand recounts. With each recount, the votes narrow until the Democrats win. Republicans protest, and produce ample evidence of voter fraud in heavily Democrat areas. But Democrat judges uphold the recounts, allowing the Democrats to hold the chamber.

    This would be similar to how Christine Fraudoire got elected governor of Washington state. Also, how Tim Johnson held his SD senate seat after hundreds of votes from Indian reservations materialized miraculously the day after Election day.

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2006 @ 9:26 pm - November 2, 2006

  4. By the way, remembering Ignorant And Nauseating spewing his crap about how Kostard nutjob Mike Stark never even got close to George Allen?

    This Photo Essay Says Otherwise

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2006 @ 9:31 pm - November 2, 2006

  5. As much as you might dislike Bush and his administration…always remember that this clown almost became President of the United States.
    It could have gone the other-way but for a few more disinterested-voters on the GOP-side, or a few more on the Democratic-side. Remember that on Nov. 7th and get your butt into your local polling station…and I don’t even care which candidate you vote for…just vote, damn it.

    …”If you can’st vote for ’em, vote agin’st ’em.”

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — November 2, 2006 @ 9:52 pm - November 2, 2006

  6. Kerry’s chances for 2008 have been unaffected by this silly kerfuffle: they were zero to begin with. Gore would have a good chance if he were to enter. Hillary’s not that popular with the activist base because of her support for the Iraq invasion and occupation which will still be THE major issue in 2008 as Bush himself has promised to pass the buck to the next President and has stated that the architects of the Iraq fiasco, Cheney and Rumsfeld, will stay until the end of his administration – like Cheney would give him any choice in the matter LOL!

    BTW, the latest news concerns a huge rally here in the Valley of the Sun with the Big Dog himself, Bill Clinton, stumping for the resurgent Arizona Dems, especially Jim Pederson who has surged into a statistical dead heat with Bush Rubber Stamp Jon Kyl. Taking Kyl – one of the six GOP Senate leaders – down would be a great coup as well as highly embarrassing for McCain and his Presidential ambitions. Now if Harry Mitchell can take out Foghorn Leghorn Hayworth, then the celebrations will be great next Tuesday!

    Comment by Ian — November 2, 2006 @ 9:53 pm - November 2, 2006

  7. #4: Bzzzzzzt. Your pictures show Stark was not close to Allen at all when he, Stark, was assaulted. In fact Allen isn’t even IN any of the pics when Stark gets attacked.

    Comment by Ian — November 2, 2006 @ 10:02 pm - November 2, 2006

  8. Oh, jeez, Ian… you can’t be that stupid, can you?

    What’s your definition of “close”? He is less than 10 feet away in the first three pictures, and clearly lunging towards Allen.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 10:08 pm - November 2, 2006

  9. ian, interesting that the kerfuffle as you call it has forced Dem candidates across the land to demand Sen Kerry apologize. Wonder why they have? Are you wrong or are they? Sen Kerry humiliates the troops on camera, then later attacks the Commander and Chief as a spinner. But the uppity Sen from Mass can’t appear publicly to apologize. Instead he says any of us Vets who are too stupid to understand what he meant are dumb. This is the leader of the Democrat party.
    BTW why aren’t Nancy Pelosi and the corrupt Harry Reid campaigning for their candidates across the country? Humm what are they hiding?

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — November 2, 2006 @ 10:09 pm - November 2, 2006

  10. Well, I give Pelosi and Reid credit for one thing – they have a lot more self-control than Kerry. Or Gore. Or Dean. Or Carter.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 10:13 pm - November 2, 2006

  11. Any thought on this weekends “surprises” to get out the vote?
    My guesses:
    *News breaking about the Missouri indictments of ACORN for as many as 35,000 illegitimate voter registrations. That’s one city in one state.
    *Sadaam on Sunday is sentenced to death in his first trial.
    *More Iranian missles launced pointing out the foresight in Reagan/Bushes missle defense system. Missles that can reach Israel. Of course the Dems don’t care cos they’re “only Jews”.
    *Obama oops Osama releases a tape suggesting… vote Democrat.
    *Or Rummy acknowledges Bib Laden has been captured weeks ago, but Dems won’t allow waterboarding or loud music.
    *Nancy Pelosi got a facelift Oct 22 to match her new drapes in her new office.
    *Sen Byrd renounces the Klan on the same day Teddy K. “asks” Patrick about rehab.
    *Barney Frank and Mark Foley are photographed having dinner in Georgetown.
    *CNN does a special on Sunday on how W “really, really does admire Adolf Hitler”

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — November 2, 2006 @ 10:22 pm - November 2, 2006

  12. I’m with Christopher Hitchens on this one: it was, in fact, a botched joke.

    Furthermore, if it were so evident that he was “attacking the troops,” then it wouldn’t need all this explaining. But botched jokes always need explaining.

    The people “attacking the troops” are in Iraq. And this administration leaves the troops there, for no apparent reason and without a plan. As far as I’m concerned, the White House is, by its ineptness, leaving our troops in harm’s way…for no reason but to “appear” strong. It is foolish and it is deadly.

    What is the plan? Tell us, “patriots.” What, exactly, are we doing in Iraq now? The cliches and slogans are no longer acceptable.

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 10:23 pm - November 2, 2006

  13. Drudge says that the NY Times will be running a feature article on Iraq and WMDs.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 10:24 pm - November 2, 2006

  14. So what is the Democrat’s “plan” for Iraq, Jimmy?

    Kerry can’t even make up his mind whether we have too few troops (not enough to win the war) or too many (allegedly drawing in terrorists).

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 10:25 pm - November 2, 2006

  15. #12. BTW, no one puts the Kerry quote in context. Instead, just that part of the speech is reproduced and read like a fundamentalist literalist. Put it in context and you can clearly see that it was in a series of digs on Bush. But literalists really can’t understand those subtle shifts in language. Hitchens has pointed this out nicely.

    But don’t let me me interfere with your text-proofing of points. The truth really doesn’t matter in Bush’s America. (And you only have several more days left to enjoy that.)

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 10:26 pm - November 2, 2006

  16. #14. My mother, a classy woman, taught me not to answer questions with questions. My highschool debate teacher said it signified retreat and a non-response on the part of the person who does it.

    The Administration isn’t Democratic. I’ll ask you again: What is the plan? Tell us, “patriots.” What, exactly, are we doing in Iraq now? The cliches and slogans are no longer acceptable.

    The Administration–thefolks in charge–does not seem to have a plan. Get that? The people in charge do not, it seems to me and a majority of Americans, have a plan. Since you seem to be all for this Administration and its plan for Iraq, tell us what it is. Do you even know what it is? Is it working? How is success defined? Who is accountable? Who is, in the words of George W Bush, “personally responsible” for the seeming failure that is this war?

    What is the plan?

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 10:31 pm - November 2, 2006

  17. #14. Shorter #16: Kerry isn’t the Commander in Chief. Bush is. What is HE doing? The diversions come to an end next Tuesday.

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 10:33 pm - November 2, 2006

  18. #8: Doesn’t Stark totally fit your stereotype of what people who post on Kos look like? (Yes, even the women).

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2006 @ 10:35 pm - November 2, 2006

  19. John Kyl, my second favorite senator, a Bush rubber-stamp? Hardly. Kyl was one of the most outspoken voices against the Bush-Kennedy-McCain-Hagel Illegal alien amnesty bill.

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2006 @ 10:37 pm - November 2, 2006

  20. I’m salivating at the prospect of a defense on here of the latest outed Republican: Ted Haggard. I can’t wait to see how this will be framed. Who’s fault? Clinton or Kerry or Aravosis’s? Please indulge.

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 10:42 pm - November 2, 2006

  21. V the K –

    Yes, he totally fits the stereotype.

    On the other hand, I suspect that “Jimmy” looks a lot like this guy.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 10:43 pm - November 2, 2006

  22. Apparently, “jimmy” is under the impression that there are no gay Democrats in Congress other than Barney Frank, and that the rest are all normal healthy heterosexuals.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 10:44 pm - November 2, 2006

  23. The Kerry Quote In Context, for jimmuh

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 10:46 pm - November 2, 2006

  24. Well, perhaps Senator Kerry would be president now if there hadn’t been so much voter fraud by Diebold machines in 2004. check out “Hacking Democracy” on HBO.

    Comment by Kevin — November 2, 2006 @ 10:52 pm - November 2, 2006

  25. #24: Does that tinfoil beret irritate your scalp?

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2006 @ 10:54 pm - November 2, 2006

  26. “And if you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq….AS A TERRORIST.”

    He really meant to say that you’d be too stupid to do anything other than become a terrorist.

    Darn, if Kerry had just taken my call the other day I could’ve helped him spin it this way.

    Comment by Scooter — November 2, 2006 @ 11:00 pm - November 2, 2006

  27. #22. And are those guys preaching anti-gay hate? They out there flaming up the faithful against gay people? You so easily miss the point…as you did with the botched joke, too. Poor reading comprehension and analytical skills.

    #23. LGF? As a source? Your joke is worse than Kerry’s.

    #21. Nothing left to say but make appearance stabs. Very high school, Heather.

    #25. I take that back already–it isn’t high school. “Tinfoil berret” talk renders this 6th grade.

    While we are doing what in Iraq? What’s going on in Iraq? What’s the plan? No answers yet. Just talk of tinfoil berrets, jesus off my penis songs, and recycled images from LittleGreenBalls. My query stands.

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 11:10 pm - November 2, 2006

  28. #8: Oh gawd, even conservatives can’t be so dense. The first few pictures are NOT I repeat NOT when the assault took place. Watch the video that’s all over the internet. It shows Stark is at least fifteen feet or more away from Allen when the goons wrestle him to the floor and slam his head into a glass door. The pics were obviously taken at a different time prior to the assault. You do understand the concept of time surely. It’s a very basic concept. BTW, it’s also hard to tell even from those first pics exactly how far away from Allen Stark was. If the photograpoher was using any kind of telephoto lens, then Stark will look closer to Allen than he actually is.

    Comment by Ian — November 2, 2006 @ 11:11 pm - November 2, 2006

  29. I’m not going to direct this particular line from last night’s South Park at any particular commenter, but “You’re the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt-sex with a fish-squirrel” sure does come to mind reading some of the comments here.

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2006 @ 11:12 pm - November 2, 2006

  30. #23. I read the LGF .jpg. That isn’t context. Context would mean looking at what came before and after this piece of text/speech. You gave me text. Not CONtext. Was he ripping on Bush right before this? After this? Was this part of a volley of lines about Bush? Was there a theme to them? Say, perhaps, that he is dim, soft in the head, just plain stupid? The CONtext then assists us in making a judgment about whether or not is a botched joke. LGF can’t help you with that or do the work for you.

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 11:18 pm - November 2, 2006

  31. But back to important things, besides South Park. (Do the troops get to watch South Park, by the way?) What’s Bush’s plan in Iraq?

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 11:20 pm - November 2, 2006

  32. 25: The tampering of our election system, whether it benefit republicans or democrats, is more dangerous to this country than any terrorist strike could ever be. This documentary is showing computer programs that are changed, memory cards that can be manipulated. One disturbing piece of video showed local election officials in FL attempting to destroy public voting records (a violation of federal voting law) in an attempt to save themselves embarassment. Luckily, they were unaware that once you put trash to the curb, it becomes public domain and anyone can go through it.

    We are entrusting our voting system, more and more, to private corporations. In the case of diebold, which contols 25% of the voting systems, the ceo of the company promised to deliver votes to a particular candidate. That’s pretty chilling consider the control he can exercise over voting machines. And to show that this documentary is not partisan, they documented areas where both Republicans and Democrats have voiced concerns about these systems having the possibility of defeating the will of the people.

    Comment by Kevin — November 2, 2006 @ 11:22 pm - November 2, 2006

  33. OK, since Jimmuh would rather ignore the message because he dislikes the messenger, here is the quote from #23:

    Do yo You know, education, where you end up if you don’t if you make the most of it, and you study hard, if you aren’t and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. if you’re intellectually lazy? Y If you don’t, you end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush.

    Stricken text = text which was allegedly in the original written version of Kerry’s speech, but not in what he actually said.

    Bold text = text which was in what Kerry actually said, but which was allegedly not in the original written version of Kerry’s speech.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 11:26 pm - November 2, 2006

  34. Is anyone surprised that someone who once claimed Republicans were trying to exterminate him would be prone to paranoid delusional rantings about voting machines?

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2006 @ 11:27 pm - November 2, 2006

  35. #32. Kevin, VK isn’t even going to read the complete two paragraphs. As far as she’s concerned, you have tinfoil on your head. And it is in the shape of a (French, gasp!!) beret!! ONLY when a very wealthy Democrat’s company starts making voting machines with no paper trails, etc., will she care about this issue. It will be a conspiracy between Soros and Kos, or something like that. Some people can only see others the way they think they are, not as they are. You are considered to be part of the MadDemLibLeftAmericaHatingMoonBatSockPuppet fringe (that will boot Republicans from the House next Tuesday) when you say anything; that you care about the integrity of the electoral and voting processes means nothing to some people. They only see the world in black and white, or red and blue. And only blue people in this world use tinfoil or wear French fashions. Get with the program.

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 11:29 pm - November 2, 2006

  36. Ted Haggard…Head of National Association of Evangelicals….continuous gay bashing conservative is accused of soliciting gay sex…Ahh…its so good to see another crazy evangelical get ground into the dirt!

    Comment by James — November 2, 2006 @ 11:29 pm - November 2, 2006

  37. And ignore the Venezuelan connections of another voting machine that is used in Democrat areas?

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 11:29 pm - November 2, 2006

  38. #33. That’s text. That is not context. I can’t be any more clear about this. Text; not context.

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 11:30 pm - November 2, 2006

  39. James:

    (Allegedly) being gay = “ground into the dirt”?

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 11:31 pm - November 2, 2006

  40. jimmy and the rest of the democrat robots are just avoiding John Kerry’s 35 year history of bashing the military. What he said last week was of a piece with what he said earlier this year about American troops terrorizing Iraqi children, and with what he said in the seventies about a volunteer army that would be made up of nothing but the dregs of society, and with what he said before then accusing American soldiers of committing atrocities in Vietnam.

    In addition to pretending his “botched joke” made any kind of sense other than the plain meaning of the words requires complete ignorance of everything John Kerry has ever said. And isn’t this the guy who was supposed to be so much more articulate than Bush? And if it was really joke, it wasn’t funny, not even by left-wing Margaret Cho-Al Franken standards.

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2006 @ 11:33 pm - November 2, 2006

  41. That’s text. That is not context. I can’t be any more clear about this. Text; not context.

    This reminds me of a skit on SCTV:

    Quiz show contestant: [gives wrong answer]

    Quiz show host: I’m sorry, the answer is [correct answer].

    Contestant: But that’s what I said!

    Contestant: Er, it’s what I meant.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 11:34 pm - November 2, 2006

  42. #36. NO!!! No one should be outed!! No! One!! Just because he is an evangelical pastor, in a position of power, making anti-gay and anti-homsexuality pronouncements and preaching hate does not mean that he should be outed. He votes Republican and asks his flock to vote Republican. His private life–with his wife, kids and sex worker–should be left private. He should be able to continue to work against gay people and homosexuals in general. It is a free country after all. And because it is a free country, no one should be able to speak about another’s sexual practices–even if they are commercial transactions, under the table, and without being touched by the IRS–without their own consent in releasing that knowledge. Leave Haggard alone to preach the word of hate against homosexuals and gay people. Everyone should mind their own closets.

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 11:34 pm - November 2, 2006

  43. Can he get a Purple Heart for the Botched Joke?

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 11:34 pm - November 2, 2006

  44. OT but a very funny reminder of just how corrupt the GOP is:

    Comment by Ian — November 2, 2006 @ 11:36 pm - November 2, 2006

  45. #41. Frank, sorry buddy, that you are having a hard time distinguishing text and context. Is it also difficult for you to visually distinguish figure and ground?

    If you are trying to apply that cocktail party anecdote here, it signals to me that you are, well, drunk.

    What’s going on in Iraq? What’s the plan? What’s the definition of “success” or “winning” and how are we doing with that? No slogans or cliches, please.

    Comment by jimmy — November 2, 2006 @ 11:38 pm - November 2, 2006

  46. John Kerry’s 35 year history of bashing the military… What he said last week was of a piece with what he said earlier this year about American troops terrorizing Iraqi children, and with what he said in the seventies about a volunteer army that would be made up of nothing but the dregs of society, and with what he said before then accusing American soldiers of committing atrocities in Vietnam.

    There’s your “context”, for the “text” of Kerry’s speech, Jimmuh.

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 2, 2006 @ 11:47 pm - November 2, 2006

  47. The plan is freedom. Guess thats a slogan. Oh well.
    Hey here in Pennsylvania we had our final Deibold meeting today.
    To all Republicans, if you want your vote to count 2 maybe 3 times come here. We’ve got it all set up.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — November 2, 2006 @ 11:55 pm - November 2, 2006

  48. Hey liberals….what’s the plan on the war on poverty?? It’s been 40 years and one trillion dollars. What’s the plan, what’s the plan. Don’t give me slogans.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — November 2, 2006 @ 11:58 pm - November 2, 2006

  49. #46. That’s cute and I’m happy you understand context now. Cheers!!

    However, I don’t buy that (unlinked/uncited) interpretation. And many people don’t.

    More importantly, for the matter at hand, I’d love to see the lines leading up to and following the “attack” or “insult,” to see in what kind of context the line in question was uttered. That would be more helpful.

    Comment by jimmy — November 3, 2006 @ 12:05 am - November 3, 2006

  50. #47. Freedom? For? Our Constitutional Freedoms are being attacked? By whom? Or are we nation-building and worried about other people’s freedom? (When you just spit out “freedom,” it is a slogan.)

    #48. The War on Poverty ended a long time ago.

    What’s going on, now, in Iraq? What’s the plan? Are we winning? Is it a successful endeavor? And how do we know success when we see it? When will we see it?

    Comment by jimmy — November 3, 2006 @ 12:08 am - November 3, 2006

  51. #48. It just struck me, Gene: The War on Poverty failed, for a bunch of reasons. Since you seem to think there’s some kind of correlation between the war on poverty and Iraq, are you telling us that it is a failure? What’s gone wrong? Why haven’t we succeeded? Is it Hanoi Jane again? Bill Clinton masturbated last summer? Kerry speaking French? Why on earth have we failed?

    Comment by jimmy — November 3, 2006 @ 12:10 am - November 3, 2006

  52. The war in Iraq is a work in progress. It’s not a video game. That ends when mom calls for dinner.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — November 3, 2006 @ 12:12 am - November 3, 2006

  53. Oh that’s right, leftists think tyranny reigns in America at present.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — November 3, 2006 @ 12:15 am - November 3, 2006

  54. #52. Aww, that’s cute and witty, the video game line. Does this “work in progress” make Bush an artist? Seriously, what’s the plan? We just let Administrations keep the military in other countries and figure it out as we go along? This “work in progress” must include some kind of plan, right? Please explain this “work in progress.” Most of the country would like to know.

    Comment by sean — November 3, 2006 @ 1:29 am - November 3, 2006

  55. Telling people like yourself who support terrorists and insurgents the plan for our military doesn’t make any sense, sean.

    You see, if you are so willing to tell terrorists how exactly we’ve been tracking and nullifying their financial transactions, we have no doubt that you would do the same for our troop movements and deployments.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 3, 2006 @ 2:49 am - November 3, 2006

  56. 34: So, does this mean you’re too scared to even watch that documentary? Seems you’re pretty easy about dismissing it without even taking a look. how easy for people who only want to live in their own little world. And stop twisting my words, but then again that’s something people like you enjoy doing, isn’t it? Scary and sad that people like you are responsible for raising kids.

    Comment by Kevin — November 3, 2006 @ 7:22 am - November 3, 2006

  57. Hey guys. This story’s dead, no matter how much life you try to pump into it. This is SO Wednesday. Thursday and Friday have now been given over to the hypocrisy of one of your fellow Republicans — a one Pastor Haggard of Colorado, leader of 30 million of your Evangelical pals. That’s the story. Hop on it.

    Comment by Eddie Graziano — November 3, 2006 @ 9:34 am - November 3, 2006

  58. BTW, here’s another apology that you can add to the long list of those Bushco – and a legion of right-wing bloggers – owe the American people:

    It turns out that the Bush administration’s unprecendented — and apparently foolish beyond belief — decision to agree to post thousands upon thousands of raw and in some cases unexamined or untranslated documents captured in the 2003 invasion of Iraq on the Internet had a very unintended consequence.

    Some of the Baghdad papers, from before the first war in 1991, included the most detailed instructions for making a nuclear weapon ever placed on the Internet


    Comment by Ian — November 3, 2006 @ 11:03 am - November 3, 2006

  59. The Dems “plan” is cut and run. Mr Kerry would be just perfect to implement that one. Ask his fellow swift boat vets that he abandoned.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — November 3, 2006 @ 11:41 am - November 3, 2006

  60. *another preelection surprise going into the weekend….
    unemployment report spectacular. rate falls to 4.4%, full employment, jobs report ups august and september rolls a whopping 150,000.
    Additional employment averaging +150,000 per month for all of 2006.
    Looks like the only ones not employed are lazy uneducated liberals.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — November 3, 2006 @ 11:53 am - November 3, 2006

  61. Jimmy, give it up. None of these idiots can tell you what the plan in Iraq is by the current administration because they don’t have one. And while they would rather argue that point by asking, do you have a better idea, they in turn ignore the fact that we aren’t the ones with the responsibility for the plan. And America clearly feels the way we do, that there is zero plan to make things right in Iraq. Forget that we shouldn’t be there to begin with and that the country if now far more dangerous to Americans than ever before…forget that…the question now is how do we fix it. And while Bush was really impressive rolling through Iraq and running off the army they had that we could have used later to establish peace…now he shows that he can’t fix the situation. And refused to eliminate the two boneheads that got us into this mess…Cheney and Rumsfeld. Stay the course. That’s the plan. And he can avoid using those words, but that is very much the plan. And that is going to cost Republicans the House. And about five or six powerful seats in the Senate. And if they stay the course, I’d imagine it’ll cost them a Presidential Election in 2008. What’s good is that the majority of Americans see through this Stay the Course failed policy and are making their voices heard. If Diebold will allow them, that is.

    Comment by RealGayPatriot — November 3, 2006 @ 12:07 pm - November 3, 2006

  62. #60: You forgot to mention that the gain in nonfarm payrolls was over 30,000 LESS than expected. No, the big news this weekend will be more conservative hypocrisy (Haggard) and Bushco putting sensitive nuclear weapons design info on the internet at the urging of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders. IIRC, Bruce really hyped that iraqi document dump. I wonder what he thinks about it now.

    Comment by Ian — November 3, 2006 @ 12:07 pm - November 3, 2006

  63. LOL….does anyone else find it ironic that the lefties here are screeching about how dangerous it was to put said information on the web, since someone could use it to build a nuclear bomb…….but insist that someone who had 500 tons of uranium ore and more-refined uranium, trained scientists, centrifuges, billions of dollars in oil money to spend, agreements with Western and Eastern European governments allowing him to import technology used in nuclear bombs, connections with underground groups and governments (aka North Korea) peddling atomic secrets, and had these documents in the first place was “not a danger or threat to anyone”?

    In short, leftists like Ian insist that an organized and well-funded nuclear program in possession of these documents was not a danger….but anyone off the street is?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 3, 2006 @ 1:26 pm - November 3, 2006

  64. None of these idiots can tell you what the plan in Iraq is by the current administration because they don’t have one.

    In the first place, as I pointed out above, telling you these plans is silly in and of itself, because given the fact that leftists like yourself have already deliberately sabotaged our method of identifying and tracking terrorist financial transfers, it’s roughly akin to whispering it into Tokyo Rose’s ear.

    However, the plan is quite simple. The US military will remain in Iraq to a) provide security for the country as a whole, b) train and help develop the nascent Iraqi security forces and apparatus, and c) provide support as these forces gradually take over security for the country.

    In the meantime, we will provide technical aid to rebuild the country’s infrastructure, re-establish institutions, such as schools, and advise and assist the country’s working government.

    Democrats have made it clear that they support none of those, that they will immediately withdraw all troops, and that they preferred what took place under Saddam Hussein.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 3, 2006 @ 1:33 pm - November 3, 2006

  65. In the meantime, we will provide technical aid to rebuild the country’s infrastructure, re-establish institutions, such as schools, and advise and assist the country’s working government.

    Oh really? Not reading the news, eh?

    Comment by JonathanG — November 3, 2006 @ 3:10 pm - November 3, 2006

  66. Oh really? Not reading the news, eh?

    Are you referring to the end of the Bechtel contract?

    Two questions, if so:

    1) Does the end of one contract mean the end of all aid of the sort to Iraq?

    2) Since you opposed that contract in the first place — which means you opposed all aid to Iraq, by your definition — why do you care?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 3, 2006 @ 4:06 pm - November 3, 2006

  67. More “context” for jimmuh…

    “They told stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country …”

    “There are all kinds of atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free-fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.”
    -John Kerry

    Comment by Frank IBC — November 3, 2006 @ 4:24 pm - November 3, 2006

  68. NDXXX, you’re 100% correct again.

    BTW, Jonathan cares about aid to Iraq because it is an arrow in the quiver of the DailyKos to needle away, inflame, incite, taunt, and irritate.

    They don’t want to govern –they just want to make sure everyone fails at it. It’s the new politics of “Just do nothing”.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — November 3, 2006 @ 5:00 pm - November 3, 2006

  69. #66: I know you enjoy sparring with lefties, but in this case, you might as well argue with a DNC fax machine.

    Comment by V the K — November 3, 2006 @ 5:58 pm - November 3, 2006

  70. That, 69, was good humor.

    Comment by Eddie Graziano — November 3, 2006 @ 7:07 pm - November 3, 2006

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