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Has America Lost The Will To Fight?

A very interesting story from the Associated Press.  (You know the same news organization that invents their sources in Iraq….)  Anyway, this one is worth reading… and discussing.

US Toll In Iraq Lower Than Past Wars – AP

Americans may question this war for many reasons, but their doubts often find voice in the count of U.S. war deaths. An overwhelming majority – 84 percent – worry that the war is causing too many casualties, according to a September poll by the nonpartisan research group Public Agenda.

The country largely kept the faith during World War II, even as about 400,000 U.S. forces died20,000 just in the month-long Battle of the Bulge. Before turning against the wars in Korea and Vietnam, Americans tolerated thousands more deaths than in Iraq.

Has something changed? Do Americans somehow place higher value on the lives of their soldiers now? Do they expect success at lower cost? Or do most simply dismiss this particular war as the wrong one – hard to understand and harder to win – and so not worth the losses?

Keep in mind that Islamic terrorists killed nearly 3,000 American civilians in less than two hours on September 11, 2001.

Unfortunately, most elected National Democrats have politicized the War on Terror from the start.  And many of them also see World War III as a mere “law enforcement action”.  In fact, we have an entire American political party (and their supporters) holding onto their September 10th fantasy world.

It is pretty clear at this point that it will take a mushroom cloud over Los Angeles for our country to rally in full force against Islamic fascism.  I also strongly believe that much of the indifference to World War III lies with the Baby Boomer generation, as the AP article also points out.

But are Americans willing to hang in a tough fight anymore?

Some wonder if U.S. society, now populated by baby boomers who recall Vietnam and never knew the hardships of the Great Depression or World War II, has simply lost its stomach for great sacrifices. Or perhaps in a materialistic culture, priorities are simply elsewhere now. “Everybody’s looking to get theirs,” says Tony Bouza, a veteran and former Minneapolis police chief who wrote “The Decline and Fall of the American Empire.”

It is quite sobering to think that the “Me Generation” may have put the famed Sleeping Giant into a coma.

-Bruce (GayPatriot)

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19 Comments

  1. The baby boom generation has lost it’s stomach for great sacrifices? If you ask me they never had one.

    Comment by imnohero — January 2, 2007 @ 9:42 am - January 2, 2007

  2. I think it all began with Korea. Calling it a police action instead of a war didn´t help along with token participation from the United Nation.When then President Truman refused to let General MacArthur cross the Yalu to take out the Chinese permitting the hordes of ill equipped Chinese soldiers to storm across into Korea. There was no definte goal to win only containment; resulting in a partitioning of Korea into two nations.
    The poor management of the Vietnam by Lyndon Johnson continued the ¨no win¨philosphy. During the presidential campaign, Barry Goldwater advocated a scorched earth, ¨let´s win it¨policy which Johnson used to paint Goldwater as ¨quick on the trigger¨ and don´t forget his atomic bomb commercial. Since then (apart from quickie in Grenada during the
    Reagan presidency) there has been no will to win and that leads to no will to fight.

    Comment by Roberto — January 2, 2007 @ 9:47 am - January 2, 2007

  3. Every stat has a counter-stat (e.g. “3000 dead in Iraq” vs. “6 times that number in a single WWII battle”) which breeds counter-counter-stats and so on. It’s annoying when armchair quarterbacks engage in pointless statistical one-upmanship, but it’s a shame when our obsession with statistics distracts from what needs to be done to end our involvement in Iraq (hopefully with an enduring, successful outcome).

    Comment by DoorHold — January 2, 2007 @ 10:37 am - January 2, 2007

  4. Unfortunately, most elected National Democrats have politicized the War on Terror from the start…World War III…”law enforcement action”…September 10th fantasy world… LOL!!!!

    Comment by sean — January 2, 2007 @ 10:39 am - January 2, 2007

  5. IMHO, the reason why we lost the will to fight is the increasing feminization of our American males, due in part to the rabid feminist movement that emerged in the 1960s and continued for the next thirty years…

    Men are now supposed to be “sensitive,” “caring,” and “in touch with their inner woman.” No wonder the Islamofascists think themselves superior to us – look at what they do to their own women. Hello, burkahs.

    And let’s not forget what they do to those whom they suspect (rightly or wrongly) of being homosexual. Care for a noose, anyone? Or a wall of bricks?

    I wish someone would start a nationwide campaign called BUTCH UP, AMERICA. Screw the Me Generation – they’re the ones who f–ked it up for everyone else.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — January 2, 2007 @ 12:14 pm - January 2, 2007

  6. Focusing on the number of dead and maimed soldiers isn’t helpful.

    A toll of one is monumentally difficult if that one is your son/husband/partner. 3000 is an abstraction to most of us.

    To send soldiers to kill and be killed is the hardest thing a president is called on to do. When that decision is made, the president is morally bound to 1) make sure the cause is just and 2) make sure we win.

    The war on Islamofascism is just so we’ve got #1 taken care of. As far as our leadership (both the president and Congress), #2 has not been fulfilled.
    I have a problem with a president and congressmen who are reluctant to even identify the enemy (Bush said “Islamofascist” one time that I know of). We find ourselves paralyzed to do anything about, say, Muslims deliberately acting like terrorists in an airport.

    If we can’t even speak frankly about our enemies then we certainly shouldn’t be sending our own to be killed by them.

    Comment by Robert — January 2, 2007 @ 1:37 pm - January 2, 2007

  7. And… for today’s Administration suck-up to the Islamists:

    http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006631.htm

    Comment by Robert — January 2, 2007 @ 1:59 pm - January 2, 2007

  8. #7 – Robert, you are on my wavelength today. I already sent a copy of that link to GPW with my own caustic commentary. Great minds think alike.

    Time we started calling a spade a spade, and cease this mindless PC drivel. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were named “Mohammad” and they were all Arabs. Therefore, we should focus on stopping any potential terrorists who fit that profile.

    If the UK can profile all Muslims, why can’t we? Enough said.

    To quote the great Baroness Thatcher: “Now is NOT the time to go wobbly!” Hear, hear.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — January 2, 2007 @ 3:38 pm - January 2, 2007

  9. LOL. Peter, I could actually hear Baroness Thatcher’s voice in my head when I read that. Quite good, sir, quite good.

    Comment by Mike — January 2, 2007 @ 4:28 pm - January 2, 2007

  10. It’s not surprising that folks get a bit huffy when the promised “cakewalk” doesn’t materialize. The fact is that the aggressive war waged against Iraq was only acceptable if it was quick and fairly painless like the Gulf War and Granada. It’s what was promised after all. Deep down, most Americans understood that Iraq only posed a threat if it had nukes and when that failed to materialize, many felt duped but not terribly upset as long as setting up a friendly Iraqi government went as well and quickly as promised. Of course that never happened and the occupation is now an unmitigated disaster with no good solution. Iraq was NOT the threat it had been hyped to be and the people are rightly pissed about it. So much so that they turned over Congress to the Dems. Apparently, Bushco didn’t get the message since the Adminstration is about to adopt the “McCain Doctrine” of escalation of the war. Fine, have at it but I suspect the American people will not be amused.

    I also see where the usual suspects are eager to change to a really “butch” “scorched earth” policy. As I stated in another thread, it sure sounds like the right including commenters here are pushing our military to commit war crimes not unlike those for which Saddam was just hung. Of course, for such armchair warriors, it’s all talk and no walk – Operation Yellow Elephant has been pretty much a bust so far – so they won’t have to get their pasty hands dirty implementing such criminality.

    Comment by Ian — January 2, 2007 @ 11:46 pm - January 2, 2007

  11. BTW, even the military has lost interest in Bush’s vanity war.

    Comment by Ian — January 2, 2007 @ 11:50 pm - January 2, 2007

  12. And on Iwo Jima, 6800 dead in less than a month.

    Comment by Conservative Guy — January 3, 2007 @ 3:08 am - January 3, 2007

  13. http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php

    Since the war in Iraq is a failure, one which we can not salvage, can we get back to the war on terror sometime soon? I hope so. (Especially since Pat Robertson tells us that God told him that the USA will be attacked this year and severely, too.) Apparently, the troops hope so, too.

    As for the Boomers, yeah, they did do a number on America’s belief and trust in American power and military might–George W. Bush’s Boomer Administration chose the wrong war and didn’t conduct it competently and the country has seen what has happened as a result.

    Comment by jimmy — January 3, 2007 @ 5:32 am - January 3, 2007

  14. #5. Yeah!! We should have our women cover up and start executing homosexuals!! Because that is what all the Islamists do!!

    Except for the transgender folks that are on the TeeVee: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/03/world/asia/03karachi.html?ex=1168491600&en=176122f843de4625&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY

    (The ignorance that passes for opinion on blog commentaries is astounding.)

    Comment by jimmy — January 3, 2007 @ 5:43 am - January 3, 2007

  15. #11 – Again, Ian uses DailyKaka talking points to further his agenda. Typical. Some things never change.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — January 3, 2007 @ 11:16 am - January 3, 2007

  16. #14: Poor Peter, simply can’t deal with an inconvenient truth. The Kos article provides the references to the military poll that was conducted and shows just how disillusioned the troops have become. But Bush is determined to continue with his vanity war and, by adopting the McCain Doctrine of escalation – and botching it like everything else he tries – will screw the good Senator out of next year’s GOP nomination.

    And then’s there’s Rudy: carelessly leaving his top-secret campaign plans lying around for his political enemies to peruse. Goodness, one has to wonder just how careful he’d be with the nation’s secrets. In any event, for his ex-wives to be considered such liabilities to his campaign, I think I’ll stay tuned for all the juicy tidbits.

    Comment by Ian — January 3, 2007 @ 12:10 pm - January 3, 2007

  17. LOL….notice how leftist Ian tries to spin what the soldiers said for his own convenience.

    The Kos article provides the references to the military poll that was conducted and shows just how disillusioned the troops have become. But Bush is determined to continue with his vanity war and, by adopting the McCain Doctrine of escalation

    But did leftist Ian even read his own article?

    Almost two-thirds (63 percent) of those surveyed said the senior military leadership has the best interests of the troops at heart. And though they don’t think much of the way he’s handling the war, 48 percent said the same about President Bush. But they take a dim view of civilian military lead ership — only 32 percent said they think it has their best inter ests at heart. And only 23 percent think Congress is looking out for them.

    Furthermore, did leftist Ian, the usual defender of the media’s truthfulness, note this?

    But they are convinced the media hate them — only 39 percent of mili tary respondents said they think the media have a favorable view of the troops.

    I’m not surprised they feel disillusioned. How would you like to fight a war in which the media are constantly branding you as baby-killers and murderers, and claiming that, because you want to hold terrorists and those who support them accountable for their deeds, that you are committing “war crimes”?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 3, 2007 @ 12:28 pm - January 3, 2007

  18. #15 – Poor Ian, can’t even read the article properly for the talking points from the Kos Kidz. Shame, shame, shame.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — January 3, 2007 @ 1:13 pm - January 3, 2007

  19. #17:

    And though they don’t think much of the way he’s handling the war, 48 percent said the same about President Bush. But they take a dim view of civilian military lead ership — only 32 percent said they think it has their best inter ests at heart. And only 23 percent think Congress is looking out for them.

    Hmmm, the troops don’t think much of the way Bush is handling the war (barely more than 1/3 actually), less than half think Bush has their best interests at heart, less than 1/3 think the civilian (read “Republican”) leadership has their best interests at heart and less than 1/4 think Congress (again, read “Republican”) is looking out for them.

    BTW, where have I ever defended the Bush-boot-licking corporate media?

    Comment by Ian — January 3, 2007 @ 1:19 pm - January 3, 2007

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