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		<title>By: tyler</title>
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		<dc:creator>tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that all acts of treason should be extensively  punished so that no lesser minded person (
 aka Sandy Berger ) will think twice about doing treason&#039;s acts not some slap on the wrist whats your views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that all acts of treason should be extensively  punished so that no lesser minded person (<br />
 aka Sandy Berger ) will think twice about doing treason&#8217;s acts not some slap on the wrist whats your views.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/01/24/will-sandy-berger-finally-face-real-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-62448</link>
		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Berger took the stuff he had to testify about because the stupid library closes at 5.&lt;/i&gt;

And then, inexplicably, rather than taking it home so he could read it, he went to a construction site and hid it.

Now you&#039;re going to tell us THAT&#039;s normal behavior for a leftist Democrat who had nothing to hide and who wasn&#039;t trying to cover up anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Berger took the stuff he had to testify about because the stupid library closes at 5.</i></p>
<p>And then, inexplicably, rather than taking it home so he could read it, he went to a construction site and hid it.</p>
<p>Now you&#8217;re going to tell us THAT&#8217;s normal behavior for a leftist Democrat who had nothing to hide and who wasn&#8217;t trying to cover up anything.</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/01/24/will-sandy-berger-finally-face-real-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-62447</link>
		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peter-  evidence for what?  I&#039;m trying to help you make this story interesting.  All you guys in the blogosphere do is tell the same thing every month hoping it will stick.  Your theory is in insane.  YOu think the entire history of clintons dealing with al queda were in sandy bergers memos?  the CIA has files.  the FBI.  Berger took the stuff he had to testify about because the stupid library closes at 5.   You can&#039;t just make this story page one because you feel like seeing it there.  you go t nothing.  there&#039;s no story.  he took the things.  he had a good reason but he took them.  it&#039;s nothing.  and the fact that no one cares is proof</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peter-  evidence for what?  I&#8217;m trying to help you make this story interesting.  All you guys in the blogosphere do is tell the same thing every month hoping it will stick.  Your theory is in insane.  YOu think the entire history of clintons dealing with al queda were in sandy bergers memos?  the CIA has files.  the FBI.  Berger took the stuff he had to testify about because the stupid library closes at 5.   You can&#8217;t just make this story page one because you feel like seeing it there.  you go t nothing.  there&#8217;s no story.  he took the things.  he had a good reason but he took them.  it&#8217;s nothing.  and the fact that no one cares is proof</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/01/24/will-sandy-berger-finally-face-real-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-62446</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14 - Uh, lester, I wasn&#039;t the one who responded to you.  THAT was NorthDallas30.

I was merely waiting to see what kind of hare-brained &quot;evidence&quot; you were presenting, either from DU or Kos talking points or your own tinfoil-hat-lined conspiracy theories.

Glad to see you didn&#039;t let me down.

ND30 - over to you.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 &#8211; Uh, lester, I wasn&#8217;t the one who responded to you.  THAT was NorthDallas30.</p>
<p>I was merely waiting to see what kind of hare-brained &#8220;evidence&#8221; you were presenting, either from DU or Kos talking points or your own tinfoil-hat-lined conspiracy theories.</p>
<p>Glad to see you didn&#8217;t let me down.</p>
<p>ND30 &#8211; over to you.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/01/24/will-sandy-berger-finally-face-real-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-62445</link>
		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peter-  that&#039;s at least a theory, I give you credit for that.  But that is not what he took.  the things that are missing are related to the millenium bombing of early 2000, which was famously averted by a attentive security guard.  Also, if he wrote memos, they would exist elswhere, namely to whomever the memos were sent to in the first place.

there has already been testimony and it is accepted wisdom that berger and clinton called off killing bin laden because of namby pamby political decisions that they have expressed regret for.  You can&#039;t destroy what people have written books about.  There are also computer files for all that stuff.  I sincerely doubt berger destroyed computer files of stuff just on the lucky chance that he now had an excuse, the 9/11 commision, to go in there and do it.

But again, thank you for at least livening the story up.  you should consider adding that wrinkle next time you post the sandy berger story.  who knows maybe you&#039;ll get some non right wing nutsos to care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peter-  that&#8217;s at least a theory, I give you credit for that.  But that is not what he took.  the things that are missing are related to the millenium bombing of early 2000, which was famously averted by a attentive security guard.  Also, if he wrote memos, they would exist elswhere, namely to whomever the memos were sent to in the first place.</p>
<p>there has already been testimony and it is accepted wisdom that berger and clinton called off killing bin laden because of namby pamby political decisions that they have expressed regret for.  You can&#8217;t destroy what people have written books about.  There are also computer files for all that stuff.  I sincerely doubt berger destroyed computer files of stuff just on the lucky chance that he now had an excuse, the 9/11 commision, to go in there and do it.</p>
<p>But again, thank you for at least livening the story up.  you should consider adding that wrinkle next time you post the sandy berger story.  who knows maybe you&#8217;ll get some non right wing nutsos to care!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/01/24/will-sandy-berger-finally-face-real-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-62444</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12 - This oughtta be interesting.  Wait, let me take my seat for this one.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12 &#8211; This oughtta be interesting.  Wait, let me take my seat for this one.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;north dallas- okay. I could explain it but what is your explanation?&lt;/i&gt;

He was trying to destroy documents that demonstrated that he and Bill Clinton in fact several times called off the killing of Osama bin Laden.

And now, let&#039;s hear your explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>north dallas- okay. I could explain it but what is your explanation?</i></p>
<p>He was trying to destroy documents that demonstrated that he and Bill Clinton in fact several times called off the killing of Osama bin Laden.</p>
<p>And now, let&#8217;s hear your explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Zimmerman</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/01/24/will-sandy-berger-finally-face-real-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-62442</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an unsympathetic but deeply factual view on Sandy Berger&#039;s malfeasance, see

SANDY BERGER SHOULD BE IN JAIL (Nimble Books, January 2007)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0978813855/ref=nosim

http://www.nimblebooks.com/wordpress/sandy-berger-should-be-in-jail/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an unsympathetic but deeply factual view on Sandy Berger&#8217;s malfeasance, see</p>
<p>SANDY BERGER SHOULD BE IN JAIL (Nimble Books, January 2007)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0978813855/ref=nosim" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0978813855/ref=nosim</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nimblebooks.com/wordpress/sandy-berger-should-be-in-jail/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nimblebooks.com/wordpress/sandy-berger-should-be-in-jail/</a></p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>north dallas-  okay.  I could explain it but what is your explanation?  I&#039;m trying to help you here.  maybe if you can come up with an intersting scenerio people will actually pay attemntion to this story the 435th time you put it out there.

what do YOU thinki berger was doing?

what was he covering up?  Do you think the memos, which he himself had written about a two years before 9/11.  have information about the 9/11 hijackers?

again, what is your explanation.  and don&#039; t re-tell me about how he took th documents.  we go it.

now, if you will, the REST of the story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>north dallas-  okay.  I could explain it but what is your explanation?  I&#8217;m trying to help you here.  maybe if you can come up with an intersting scenerio people will actually pay attemntion to this story the 435th time you put it out there.</p>
<p>what do YOU thinki berger was doing?</p>
<p>what was he covering up?  Do you think the memos, which he himself had written about a two years before 9/11.  have information about the 9/11 hijackers?</p>
<p>again, what is your explanation.  and don&#8217; t re-tell me about how he took th documents.  we go it.</p>
<p>now, if you will, the REST of the story?</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There&#039;s no motive for anything other than the stated reason of preparing for the 9/11 commision. &lt;/i&gt;

How, exactly, does one prepare for a commission by taking copies of documents out in one&#039;s pants and deliberately hiding them at a construction site?

Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and Ted Kennedy should be asked every day from this point forward how they and their fellow Democrats like lester believe that Berger&#039;s actions were simply his means of preparing for the 9/11 commission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There&#8217;s no motive for anything other than the stated reason of preparing for the 9/11 commision. </i></p>
<p>How, exactly, does one prepare for a commission by taking copies of documents out in one&#8217;s pants and deliberately hiding them at a construction site?</p>
<p>Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and Ted Kennedy should be asked every day from this point forward how they and their fellow Democrats like lester believe that Berger&#8217;s actions were simply his means of preparing for the 9/11 commission.</p>
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		<title>By: Michigan-Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michigan-Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lester, you&#039;re wrong on dismissing the value or importance of the secreted and destroyed copies of the documents... you do know those were copies of documents Berger had and that the originals are still stored on hard drives at the Archives, right?  He destroyed copies and/or hid them at a nearby construction site after stuffing them down his pants... that was the reason for the plea deal by DOJ and, in fact, the judge in the case raised the penalty from $10k to $50k, which he paid.

To help you out: we don&#039;t know which copies and what, if any, notes were on those copies... we can&#039;t know until the time-for-release embargo is met in 2017 or whenever.  Berger won&#039;t tell.  There is a record of which documents he reviewed, but releasing those would we violating the National Secrets Act... again.

Asking Berger to take a polygraph is a stunt.  I disagree with you that it isn&#039;t an important stunt... &#039;cause as the Democrats have proved readily to the GOP, PR stunts sometimes work.  And repeating even baseless accusations (W avoided the VN war service, etc) sometimes stick.

Just look at all the &quot;impeachment&quot; cries of the last 6 years... and the successful effort to discredit W&#039;s presidency by the Dems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lester, you&#8217;re wrong on dismissing the value or importance of the secreted and destroyed copies of the documents&#8230; you do know those were copies of documents Berger had and that the originals are still stored on hard drives at the Archives, right?  He destroyed copies and/or hid them at a nearby construction site after stuffing them down his pants&#8230; that was the reason for the plea deal by DOJ and, in fact, the judge in the case raised the penalty from $10k to $50k, which he paid.</p>
<p>To help you out: we don&#8217;t know which copies and what, if any, notes were on those copies&#8230; we can&#8217;t know until the time-for-release embargo is met in 2017 or whenever.  Berger won&#8217;t tell.  There is a record of which documents he reviewed, but releasing those would we violating the National Secrets Act&#8230; again.</p>
<p>Asking Berger to take a polygraph is a stunt.  I disagree with you that it isn&#8217;t an important stunt&#8230; &#8217;cause as the Democrats have proved readily to the GOP, PR stunts sometimes work.  And repeating even baseless accusations (W avoided the VN war service, etc) sometimes stick.</p>
<p>Just look at all the &#8220;impeachment&#8221; cries of the last 6 years&#8230; and the successful effort to discredit W&#8217;s presidency by the Dems.</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/01/24/will-sandy-berger-finally-face-real-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-62439</link>
		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the righgt wing blogosphere throws this story out every week and it never sticks.  just accept it, no one cares.

ever heard the expression &quot;there&#039;s no &quot;there&quot; there?&quot;  Everyone knows he took the documents when he shouldn&#039;t have.  there&#039;s nothing else to the story.  Do you think he was going to sell the memos to a foreign  memo collector?

There&#039;s no motive for anything other than the stated reason of preparing for the 9/11 commision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the righgt wing blogosphere throws this story out every week and it never sticks.  just accept it, no one cares.</p>
<p>ever heard the expression &#8220;there&#8217;s no &#8220;there&#8221; there?&#8221;  Everyone knows he took the documents when he shouldn&#8217;t have.  there&#8217;s nothing else to the story.  Do you think he was going to sell the memos to a foreign  memo collector?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no motive for anything other than the stated reason of preparing for the 9/11 commision.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/01/24/will-sandy-berger-finally-face-real-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-62438</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Davis is pushing to nail Burglar, there needs to be a push to nail al-NYT etc. as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Davis is pushing to nail Burglar, there needs to be a push to nail al-NYT etc. as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/01/24/will-sandy-berger-finally-face-real-punishment/comment-page-1/#comment-62437</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4 - Cal, that&#039;s something that libs don&#039;t do - think.  They FEEL, remember?

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 &#8211; Cal, that&#8217;s something that libs don&#8217;t do &#8211; think.  They FEEL, remember?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course.  Scooter Libby did far less damage in the whole Plame-Wilson NON-scandal - and he is literally on trial as we speak, defending himself from criminal jeopardy.

Makes you think. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course.  Scooter Libby did far less damage in the whole Plame-Wilson NON-scandal &#8211; and he is literally on trial as we speak, defending himself from criminal jeopardy.</p>
<p>Makes you think. <img src='http://www.gaypatriot.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never understood the kid glove handling of the whole Sandy Berger crime.  It is almost like he stole a piece of gum from the candy store rather than classified documents during a hearing investigating issues related to those documents.

I suspect that if Berger had been a republican the democrats and MSM would have been hollering for his head every day for months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never understood the kid glove handling of the whole Sandy Berger crime.  It is almost like he stole a piece of gum from the candy store rather than classified documents during a hearing investigating issues related to those documents.</p>
<p>I suspect that if Berger had been a republican the democrats and MSM would have been hollering for his head every day for months.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course, will anyone in the Drive-By Media ask the Hildebeast about corruption in her husband&#039;s administration?

Yeah - when pigs fly.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course, will anyone in the Drive-By Media ask the Hildebeast about corruption in her husband&#8217;s administration?</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; when pigs fly.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, we really don&#039;t know that Berger&#039;s actions have been &quot;devastating&quot; to our understanding of anything.  He could have just been hiding personal embarassments.  Clinton and Monica could have made a stain on one of the document copies he stole, for example.

I think that&#039;s the real point: We CAN&#039;T know.  Berger has denied us the possibility.  Though allegedly a public servant, Berger decided that his need to avoid embarassment supersedes the public&#039;s right to understand what went on in the Clinton Administration.

Others holders of security clearances would certainly be in jail if they committed the same actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, we really don&#8217;t know that Berger&#8217;s actions have been &#8220;devastating&#8221; to our understanding of anything.  He could have just been hiding personal embarassments.  Clinton and Monica could have made a stain on one of the document copies he stole, for example.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the real point: We CAN&#8217;T know.  Berger has denied us the possibility.  Though allegedly a public servant, Berger decided that his need to avoid embarassment supersedes the public&#8217;s right to understand what went on in the Clinton Administration.</p>
<p>Others holders of security clearances would certainly be in jail if they committed the same actions.</p>
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