Senators Suggest FDR Missing Chance to Engage Germany
Ooops, my bad…. got this one wrong. Sorry, but the mistake is understandable.
Senators Suggest Bush Administration Missing Chance To Engage Iran – CNN.com
“What I think many of us are concerned about is that we stumble into active hostilities with Iran without having aggressively pursued diplomatic approaches, without the American people understanding exactly what’s taking place,” Sen. Barack Obama told John Negroponte, who is in line to become the nation’s No. 2 diplomat as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s deputy.
I’m guessing Obama thought that Hitler stumbled into Poland, too.
Meanwhile, the evidence is mounting that Iran is intent on attacking American troops, thereby declaring war on the United States.
“We will not accept Iran to use Iraq to attack the American forces,” [Iraqi Prime Minister] al-Maliki said Wednesday in an exclusive interview with CNN.
Asked about the role of Iran in Iraq, al-Maliki said he was confident that Iranian influence was behind attacks on U.S. forces. “It exists, and I assure you it exists,” he said.
What WILL House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s solution to the Iranian threat to US Armed Forces be? I’m waiting…
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
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Iran Has 32,000 Agents in Iraq.
And this from Rich Lowry in The Corner: “Yesterday’s Washington Post ran a story about Army Captain Brian Freeman who was killed in that Karbala raid. It’s a heart-breaking story. Dodd and Kerry say his loss has radicalized them against the war. There’s this line in the piece: “It was not just Freeman’s death that deeply troubled and provoked the two senators, but the way he died, in an apparent betrayal by Iraqi allies.” Now it turns out that Freeman may have been killed by attackers trained and paid for by the Iranians. So, I’m wondering if “the way” Freeman was killed still matters to the senators? Will his death radicalize them against Iran? Or will they mumble something and return right back to their same old anti-war talking points?”
Comment by V the K — January 31, 2007 @ 2:31 pm - January 31, 2007
V, I can’t wait for “our risadent iraan expirt” to weigh in on this one. He probably will after the short yellow bus drops him back home from class.
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — January 31, 2007 @ 2:48 pm - January 31, 2007
I just hope Bruce doesn’t take his arrival as another opportunity to insult 11 year old girls. What’s your problem with 11 year old girls, anyway, guy?
Comment by V the K — January 31, 2007 @ 2:55 pm - January 31, 2007
#0 – Pelosi’s solution the Iranian threat? Needless to say, Bruce, you’ll be waiting a long time.
Comment by Calarato — January 31, 2007 @ 4:40 pm - January 31, 2007
Bruce,
I dont follow your logic here.
Obama expresses concern about America stumbling into hostilities with Iran before exhausting other alternatives.
Your snark asks whether Hitler “stumbled” into Poland.
Are you trying to compare America to Hitler’s Germany?
Comment by Tano — January 31, 2007 @ 5:11 pm - January 31, 2007
One thing Pelosi could do is donate a pallet of her Botox vials to the Iranian leadership, arrange for some of those American-trained Iranian docs to inject Botox into the leadership’s collective vocal chords and silence the bunch for a few years.
“If we’re just nice to them and talk over coffee, they’ll grow to love us.”
I wonder how many engineers and physicists working on the Iranian nuclear arms enrichment program were American-trained at our universities? I bet a lot of American college presidents are liberally enthusiastic that the young people they helped educate can now help them HateAmericaFirst.
Comment by Michigan-Matt — January 31, 2007 @ 5:14 pm - January 31, 2007
I don’t understand the analogy at all. there is no simliarity between Iran and hitlers germany. nor is analogy a very effective way of making an argument. if we were to make analogies, the neo cons wwant war and hitler wanted war. there: the neo cons are hitler. all hawks are hitler with the power of bs.
Comment by lester — January 31, 2007 @ 5:47 pm - January 31, 2007
Are you trying to compare America to Hitler’s Germany?
Hardly.
A more apt comparison would be Barack Obama to Neville Chamberlain or Edouard Daladier.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 31, 2007 @ 6:25 pm - January 31, 2007
NDT,
So, you agree that Bruce’s little snark is incoherent.
Yeah, thats what I was figuring.
Gotta give props to you though – that was a very original insult you dredged up.
You guys think you going to get anywhere running on autopilot?
Comment by Tano — January 31, 2007 @ 9:17 pm - January 31, 2007
It appears that Obama’s concern is moot, though I’m sure it’s greatly appreciated.
That ‘diplomatic approaches’ (How many are there, by the way?) aren’t/weren’t being pursued should hardly surprise anyone. Whether by design or by ’stumbling’, a wider war including Iran was one of the dangers we considered prior to invading Iraq, right?
Comment by HardHobbit — January 31, 2007 @ 9:30 pm - January 31, 2007
#7 Let’s start with both Iran and the Nazi’s hate of and active advocation of the extermination of the Jews. Think about that and then tell us again that you don’t see the analogy or simliarity between the two.
Comment by BoBo — February 1, 2007 @ 12:55 am - February 1, 2007
I put it this way, Tano; the fact that you attempt to twist GP’s and my words to “prove” your point is, in its own way, a perverse form of flattery.
And as for the insult, now that I look at it, comparing them to Obama is degrading to Chamberlain and Deladier; they both lacked the experience that Obama should have in terms of what happens when you appease and pander to regimes that openly promote genocide.
Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 1, 2007 @ 1:39 am - February 1, 2007
WTF?
Now Osama Obama is telling Negroponte what’s up? What is that about?
Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 1, 2007 @ 2:28 am - February 1, 2007
BTW, is anybody else not at all surprised at all that the America hating libs don’t get Bruce’s post?
I know I’m not. And I know this isn’t the first time.
Comment by ThatGayConservative — February 1, 2007 @ 6:11 am - February 1, 2007
#14 – No surprise here either.
You can just imagine the complete garbage they’d be spewing, if WW2 were today. “Hitler is off in Europe, he can’t threaten us. Europeans aren’t fit for democracy; clearly they only want to kill each other. Hitler didn’t attack us; Japan did! Hitler doesn’t have any WMD. Hitler’s nuclear program could easily be peaceful like he says, and anyway, why do we think we should be the only nuclear power? This war is a quagmire! Roosevelt is INCOMPETENT!! – 1000 lost at Kasserine pass in ONE DAY!!! ROOSEVELT LIED to get us into this war!!!!! even though we all voted for it, after seeing the same events & intelligence – how DARE you mention that!”
You know, just like the garbage they’ve been spewing about Iraq – and now, Iran.
Comment by Calarato — February 1, 2007 @ 10:30 am - February 1, 2007
Oh, and lest I forget: “Hitler was CONTAINED in his European box – our sanctions on him were working!”
Comment by Calarato — February 1, 2007 @ 10:31 am - February 1, 2007
“there is no simliarity between Iran and hitlers germany. nor is analogy a very effective way of making an argument.”
Then quit doing it, kiddo.
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — February 1, 2007 @ 12:04 pm - February 1, 2007
I just remembered. There WERE idiotarians in WW2 who spewed the stuff I mentioned. (Another: “Our soldiers are idiots, trapped in a war they shouldn’t be in; support them by abandoning their goals / mission!”)
One was called Axis Sally. Another, I think, was Lord Haw-Haw.
Comment by Calarato — February 1, 2007 @ 1:17 pm - February 1, 2007
bobo- ahmedenajad doesn’t hate jews. there are 25,000 jews in iran including a jewish MP in parliment. He , like all of the middle east, hates israel. there is no law against hating israel.
if israelis really feel another holocaust is imminent they should leave. to suggest we move the whole neighborhood around for them is ridiculous.
calorato- I was opposed to the sanctions against Iraq.
Iran is no threat to the united states. You can’t prove otherwise without paranoid consiracy theories. Is Iran going to nuke the US? if not, you have nothing
Comment by lester — February 1, 2007 @ 1:29 pm - February 1, 2007
#18 – Don’t forget Tokyo Rose. She was a big hit in her day. I seem to recall both my dad and uncle talking about her radio program in the Pacific theatre.
She played popular songs and spewed hate-filled propaganda against America and all that it stood for. Sort of what “Air America” and Keith (Closet-Case) Olbermann do today. But I digress.
I asked them how they could restrain themselves listening to that crap. My dad had the perfect answer: “Rather than taking her seriously, we just laughed at her. Because we knew she was wrong.”
Again, the same could apply to “Air America” and Olbermann. Anyone else see a pattern here?
You can find out what happend to her and Axis Sally at this link:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/tokyorosemug1.html
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — February 1, 2007 @ 2:47 pm - February 1, 2007
lester – Truly remarkable. So if Iran nukes the Jews in Israel and kills millions, they have only themselves to blame? What about the Arabs that are citizens of Israel? Do they need to flee now? Does this also apply to gays in Iran? If they are hanged it’s really their fault?
Comment by Bobo — February 1, 2007 @ 9:11 pm - February 1, 2007
Pwter H There is a few of us still left. I enjoy your comments. So true! I served in the army from 1942 to 1946 most of the time in Europe. I remember ” George” and I think the lady was “Meg at the Mike”.
JohnW
Comment by John W — February 4, 2007 @ 9:23 pm - February 4, 2007
Sorry. That should have been for Peter H
Comment by John W — February 4, 2007 @ 10:08 pm - February 4, 2007
No problem, John. Thanks for being a true “gay patriot” in our country’s time of need.
I posted more info under the “Gays in the Ranks” section above. As GPW would tell you, I am a WWII historian and war buff. Both my parents experienced the war in different theatres under different circumstances.
In the meantime, I would love to hear more from you.
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — February 5, 2007 @ 3:10 pm - February 5, 2007
#23 – No problem, John. I enjoy your perspective and take on history. Thank you for being a true “gay patriot” at a time when our country needed them the most.
Regards,
Peter H.
Comment by Peter Hughes — February 5, 2007 @ 4:18 pm - February 5, 2007
#25.Peter H. Don’t know if Bruce permits e-mail addresses on here but mine is jwaggy@comcast.net
Comment by John W — February 5, 2007 @ 11:52 pm - February 5, 2007