Hat tip to this beaut goes to Cassandra from Villianous Company.
In a Satirical Poem, Saudi Author Laments Conditions in the Arab World – Middle East Media Research Institute
“When you cannot find a single garden in your city, but there is a mosque on every corner – you know that you are in an Arab country…
“When you see people living in the past with all the trappings of modernity – do not be surprised, you are in an Arab country.
“When religion has control over science – you can be sure that you are in an Arab country.
“When clerics are referred to as ‘scholars’ – don’t be astonished, you are in an Arab country.
“When you see the ruler transformed into a demigod who never dies or relinquishes his power, and whom nobody is permitted to criticize – do not be too upset, you are in an Arab country.
“When you find that the large majority of people oppose freedom and find joy in slavery – do not be too distressed, you are in an Arab country.
“When you hear the clerics saying that democracy is heresy, but [see them] seizing every opportunity provided by democracy to grab high positions [in the government] – do not be surprised, you are in an Arab country…
“When monarchies turn into theocracies, and republics into hybrids of monarchy and republic – do not be taken aback, you are in an Arab country.
“When you find that the members of parliament are nominated [by the ruler], or else that half of them are nominated and the other half have bought their seats through bribery… – you are in an Arab country…
“When you discover that a woman is worth half of what a man is worth, or less – do not be surprised, you are in an Arab country…
“When you see that the authorities chop off a man’s hand for stealing a loaf of bread or a penny, but praise and glorify those who steal billions – do not be too surprised, you are in an Arab country…
“When you are forced to worship the Creator in school and your teachers grade you for it – you can be sure that you are in an Arab country…
“When young women students are publicly flogged merely for exposing their eyes – you are in an Arab country…”
“When land is more important than human beings – you are in an Arab country…
“When covering the woman’s head is more important than financial and administrative corruption, embezzlement, and betrayal of the homeland – do not be astonished, you are in an Arab country…
“When minorities are persecuted and oppressed, and if they demand their rights, are accused of being a fifth column or a Trojan horse – be upset, you are in an Arab country…
“When women are [seen as] house ornaments which can be replaced at any time – bemoan your fate, you are in an Arab country.
“When birth control and family planning are perceived as a Western plot – place your trust in Allah, you are in an Arab country…
“When at any time, there can be a knock on your door and you will be dragged off and buried in a dark prison – you are in an Arab country…
“When fear constantly lives in the eyes of the people – you can be certain that you are in an Arab country.”
Let me add one: “When you see your partner hanging by a rope in a public square just because he is gay — you can be certain you are in an Arab country.”
Now to Ian, Chet, lester and the other Bush-as-Tyrant Crowd… can you look yourself in the mirror and honestly say that any of those things are happening in the United States or other Western democracies?
You need to decide which side of this War you are on, folks. American “progressives” have turned into nothing more than appeasers to Islamic terror these days. I wonder if these same progressives, in 1939, would have shown the Storm Troopers the way to my home?
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
Not necessarily. You could also be in a glorious worker’s socialist utopia like Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, or San Francisco.
Or the city of Chicago….
Just to play Devil’s Advocate –
Britain is technically a “hybrid of monarchy and republic”. Technically.
That was the only one I could come up with. I’m sure some in the BDS crowd will want to claim we are a theocracy with religion in control of science, blah blah blah… hysterical, unfounded rubbish.
If it wasn’t so true, it’d be funny.
VdaK & Bruce, you can add Detroit to that list.
I have always told my gay brothers that we would be among the first to have our heads “lopped” off if the Islamic Terrorist’s were able to get control United States of America. These gay left wingers need to get there head out of the “sand” and wake up!
Let me add one: “When you see your partner hanging by a rope in a public square just because he is gay — you can be certain you are in an Arab country.”
Um, but what about Matthew Shepard, and Jack Twist — who are we to point figners??!!
Yes, because Jack Twist was an actual human being and not a novel character…
And yes, because Matthew Shepard was killed by his government, not by two intolerant beasts like those that reside in every nation.
Throbert… try again….. and don’t be so ridiculous the next time.
Bruce, I second Michigan-Matt’s statement – if it weren’t so true it might be funny. It’s not like our “You must be from New Jersey if…”, or “You must be from DC if…” jokes.
To add to it, I think what’s missing in motivating people to support the compromises we need in the WOT is that too many of us forget what life is really like in a Muslim country.
#7 – Throbert: You clearly don’t understand the difference, so permit me to join Bruce in enlightening you.
The killing of Mathew Shepard and whoever else, are crimes under American law and society. Because of their wrongness and horror, they result in protest songs being written, diversity training being given to schoolchildren, and (most important) jail time for perpetrators.
In Islamic countries, kids being killed for homosexuality is not treated as a crime, rather, it is government policy. Protest songs are not written, diversity training is not given to schoolchildren, and (most important) far from receiving jail time, the killers are often the government itself, acting in the people’s name.
So, “who are we to point figners [sic] ??!!” Answer: A society that values human life and that is, in fact, morally superior to anti-woman, anti-gay Muslim societies.
What’s really funny about this (racially suspect) post is that if you replace all the reference to Islam and backwardness with references to Christianity, and if you replace “Arab Country” with America, it still works!
For example:
“When fear constantly lives in the eyes of people — you can be certain you’re in an Arab country.”
“When religion has control over science, you can be sure you’re in America” (those silly debates over evolution in school).
“When you discover that women are not worth as much as men, don’t be surprised, you’re in America” (women still earn only about 80 cents on the dollar compared to men here, and the figures are worse for minority women, and don’t forget all of the right-wingers who want to curtail women’s liberties [abortion]).
“When land is more important than a human being, you are in America” (witness the [conservative] Supreme Court’s recent rulings on the Taking’s clause and public domain).
“When taking women’s and homosexuals’ rights away is more important than financial and administrative corruption, embezzlement, and beytrayal of the homeland — do not be astonished, you are in an arab country.”
See, it works!
–Chet
And Chet the Dippy Socialist shows up just in time to do exactly what Cal predicted in #4. Good going, Cal!
#11. Huh?
Just to pick one of your points:
“When religion has control over science, you can be sure you’re in America” (those silly debates over evolution in school).
(I wish I knew how to make the block quote thingy work)
The operative word in your post is debates. In many Islamic countries, there is NO debate. You teach what the mullahs tell you to teach, or else. Nowhere in this country is religion in control of science. Nowhere.
You guys just don’t get it. Let me help.
The very fact that you and I are free to post comments in a forum such as this with no fear whatsoever of any negative consequences is, ipso facto, proof that the US (despite the best efforts of
Darth VaderDick Cheney) is not a fascist state.It’s really quite simple.
I predicted in #4 that such an inanely trite, false and stupid comment was on its way.
Next up: Kevin and the “gay death camps” of Montana. (or Wyoming? I always forget)
P.S. And Robert, you’re right. Iran or Saudi Arabia, where religious police patrol the streets and kill (sometimes) women who are out-of-doors without a mail, and showing a calf or forearm – now THAT is a theocracy.
The U.S. is as far from being a theocracy right now as it’s ever has been – and even in the “dark” days of the 1950s, 1920s, 1850s, 1789 or 1776, it never was one.
(sorry, “out of doors without a ma-N” – I have typo fever today)
Well, Iran had a democracy once, and then the US destroyed it in 1953.
Most fundamentalist nation in the western hemisphere: America.
And Cal — what’s to “debate” about whether or not to teach evolution versus the Adam and Eve myth? There is no debate. One is science, and the other is hocus pocus. The fact that you consider this a real “debate” is telling.
In fact, if there’s any lesson to be learned from the last 6 years, it’s how thin democracy really is, how fragile when in the wrong hands. We have severely curtailed civil liberties (Patriot Act etc.), a complete destruction of due process (with the “enemy combatant” trials), and an rather forceful attempt to make the executive branch into a kingdom (the “Theory of the Unitary Executive” which President Bunny Pants used as his litmus test for choosing Supreme Court judges).
But we’re free as birds to talk about evolution versus creationism — a theatrical debate meant to distract people with no grasp of reality from the real issues.
“If at any time, there can be a knock at your door, and you will be dragged off and buried in a dark prison — you are in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, or Abu Graihb, Iraq under the supervision of American forces……in the name of, er, freedom.”
–Chet
Chet – Lets see your list of Islamic countries where one can live as an openly gay person and for extra credit those that allow civil partnerships or marriage.
Semi OT: And if you’re surrounded by people hostile to an influx of straights, you must be in the Castro
This quote from the Castro article made me snicker.
So, if you’re a white guy, forget about it.
I agree VtheK — poor white guys.
–Chet
If at any time, there can be a knock on your door and you will be dragged off and buried in a dark prison, you might be an Iranian 9 year old in Texas!”
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0228-25.htm
–Chet
Chet (#17) – Do you know ANYONE who has been dragged out of their home as you suggest?
I thought not.
Don’t peddle absurd conspiratorial talking points here, please.
PS – I note that Chet hasn’t told us whose side he is on in the War that was declared on America by the Islamists.
Ah, “Common Dreams,” the “WorldNet Daily” of the left.
If Chet is referring to the Iranian who was detained with his family for traveling with counterfeit passports then there are several points he got wrong. Chet alleges that the boy was “dragged off and buried in a dark prison,” Not so. There was no knock on the door, no being dragged off, and the family was given access to legal counsel. All of these facts are abundantly clear to anyone who checks the facts. Never mind that detaining Iranians traveling with fake passports would appear to be a legitimate exercise in homeland security.
So, Chet either lacks the intellectual candlepower to understand what really went down, or he deliberately distorted the facts to get in a cheap slam. So, which is Chet, are you an idiot or a liar?
V the K — I’m neither an idiot nor a liar. I’m a reader. I only posted something for you ditto heads to READ and, perhaps, think about how this situation is not nearly as simple as you believe it to be. America good, Arabs bad. America does not always practice the freedoms you believe it does, as that article and the examples of Guantanamo and Abu Graihb point out. As far as traveling with fake passports goes, I would imagine it’s pretty difficult to get a real passport when you’re trying to leave a country that has tortured you. All that aside — nice to see you’ll readily apologize for policies that are resulting in the lock-up of 9 year old children. Always taking the moral high road, aren’t you.
#23 and 24 — I do not need to declare myself on a “side” in this war. It’s not a high school football game. My job as a citizen is not to offer blind loyalty to people who are sullying my country’s history and good name, but rather to observe critically what’s going on. In situations like this, one must use one’s head and not one’s spleen.
And no, I do not personally know anyone who’s been dragged off to prison, but that’s not a litmus test for figuring out that our country has some screwed up detention policies for refugees, especially ones with brown skin and an Arab background — hence the reading I posted. Since when was knowing someone personally the test? I don’t know Dubya personally, but that doesn’t stop me from hating him…..right?
–Chet
“When birth control and family planning are perceived as a liberal plot – place your trust in God and abstinence, you are in an America!”
All that aside — nice to see you’ll readily apologize for policies that are resulting in the lock-up of 9 year old children. Always taking the moral high road, aren’t you.
Given that nine-year-old children are regularly used by terror organizations like Hamas and Hizbollah, both of which are sponsored by Iran, which also has a history of using pre-teen boys in combat, I think our suspicion is well warranted.
Especially when they and their parents are traveling on faked passports.
If you want to blame someone for this situation, Chet, blame the Islamic terrorists and Iranian government who think nine-year-old boys should be placing bombs and sacrificing their lives for the glory of jihad. There is a reason we don’t allow people, regardless of who they are, into our country on faked documents, and it’s called 9/11; given the support of Iran and its terrorist satellites for using women and children as cover for or as suicide bombers, there’s even more reason to not give an exception.
But you can’t do that, because it’s not “Blame America First”.
NDT — Did you even READ the story? the boy and his parents were not members of Hezbolah or Hammas. they were not members of al Qaeda. they were refugees on their way to Canada who were detained in Peurto Rico and locked up by Americans. Read the story before posting your formulaic “love American no matter what” response.
–Chet
#30 — Right, Chet. Because members of terrorist groups wear T-shirts emblazoned with the logo of their phalange on it, so that they can be instantly recognized. Terrorists would never travel with fake identity papers, and they certainly wouldn’t use children as shields now would they?
I think you just answered my question with an emphatic, “Both!”
Yes, and I’m sure Mohammed Atta announced at his crossing into the United States that he was a member of al-Qaeda.
If terrorists would be so kind as to make it known that they were terrorists upon arrival, Chet, we wouldn’t have these sort of issues, just as we wouldn’t have to have DUI checkpoints if people would only shoe-polish “STAY AWAY, I’M DRUNK” on their cars prior to driving fully loaded.
However, they don’t and terrorists don’t; therefore, we run checkpoints and we detain.
But remember: Even though you can fathom such truths and Chet can’t for the life of him, Chet is still much smarter and more sophisticated than you. LOL 🙂
Hey you two — Stop being so paranoid. Paranoia threatens the American way of life JuST as much as Islamic extremism.
When was the last time a 9 year old boy from IRAN threatened the United States? The answer is never. And the fact that you two are willing to be apologists for these types of policies tells me that you care much less about “freedom” than you claim to.
You need to learn how to differentiate from “terrorists” and “refugees.”
–Chet
6. I have always told my gay brothers that we would be among the first to have our heads “lopped” off if the Islamic Terrorist’s were able to get control United States of America. These gay left wingers need to get there head out of the “sand” and wake up!
Comment by Gary — February 28, 2007 @ 2:08 pm – February 28, 2007
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Hi Gentlemen.
it is good to see that there are many on GP that realize the threat faced by America and especially Gays in America from the cult of islam.
with America united, we will defeat this threat to our freedoms and survival.
Americans may not always agree and sometimes with vigor, but we do agree that we have the right to disagree…………..
it is astounding that America contiues to go on inspite of all of the efforts to stop America from being America.
the cult of islam intends on ruling the world and impose their vileness on all. If you are Christian, Jew, Hindu, Gay you will be murdered is the cult of islam conquers America………..
the cult of islam will bring hangs back to the courthouse lawns across America…………….and Gays will go hand in hand with Christians Jews Hindus……………
What the muslims have done in America in 2006 and 2007,
muslim, ismail yassin, in Minneapolis, went on a rampage in a car damaging autos and injuring one on 1/31/06.
muslim, mohammed reza taheri-azar, at UNC in Chapel Hill, tried to murder students with his suv on 3/3/2006
muslim, naveed afzal haq, in Seattle, murdered one Jewish soman and injuried five more Jewish women on 7/28/2006
muslim, aziz popal, in Freemont & San Francisco, murdered one and injured 14 with an auto on 8/30/2006.
muslim, sulejmen talovic, in Salt Lake City, murdered five and injured four on 2/12/2006.
Muslim, iIbrahim ahmed, in Nashville, tried to kill two with his stolen cab on 2/18/2007.
How many more crimes, rapes and murders have been done by muslims that our government will not reveal…………it is immense…….
when muslims captured non-muslims in Sudan and Darfur, the muslims murdered the male infidels and tossed the boy infidels into fires while still alive. The muslims asked the women who was muslim and Christian and the muslims gang raped and sexually sodomized the Christian women and girls and when the muslims were finished with the women they cut off their breast and left them to bleed to death and tossed the girls while still alive into fires………
Become informed and involved, visit:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum
http://www.jihadwatch.org
read the the filth that is the koran and be terrorified……
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/int/long.html
you can help to stop the cult of islam if you stand up and become involved for you very lives depend on it.
God bless.
The Texican.
God Family America Freedom the only choice at any cost.
Live free or die free.
Well that was a long one, Texican. By the way, the Koran is not “filthier” than the King James bible, but I have to say I do enjoy it when conservative racism comes out proudly and vocally — I prefer no illusions regarding the true beliefs of my interlocutors.
Would like to call everyone’s attention to the latest issue of GQ magazine. There’s an article about gay people in Iraq. These individuals certainly did not have life easy under Saddam, but gay bashings and massacres have increased since the fall of Saddam, largely due to the US support of Ali al-Sistani, who issued a “fatwah” against gay Iraqis, calling for them to be burned in the street. Sistani is, mind you, a “friend” of the US, so don’t be fooled into thinking that liberating Iraq has anything to do with gay friendliness, or that GW Bush’s idea of “liberty” extends to us.
–Chet
#36, Chet………..
Where in the New Testament or in the Bible does it instruct Christians to murder Gays????
For a nation or relegion to progress it has to review where it has been and correct its actions that are not accepable………..this is called maturity. America and Christianity have done this, neither may be perfect, but there is no comparison to the vileness of the cult of islam and the evilness in the koran.
when was the last time in America that two Gay men were hung in public for being Gay?????
realize that the cult of islam will hunt you down and murder you if America falls.
we are reaching a time in America where we either take a stand and survive or be conquered by the cult of islam.
The Texican.
When was the last time a 9 year old boy from IRAN threatened the United States? The answer is never. And the fact that you two are willing to be apologists for these types of policies tells me that you care much less about “freedom” than you claim to.
And up until 9/11, no individual who was in the United States on an expired visa and/or falsified paperwork had ever flown a plane into a building and killed thousands of people, either.
Had these individuals been tracked down and detained, as is the law, there is a good chance that the Manhattan skyline would not be missing two towers and thousands of families would not be missing people, either.
Our laws say that anyone who arrives in the United States with falsified paperwork is subject to detainment and imprisonment — period. That is because Mohamed al-Kahtani, who Mohammed Atta, the ringleader of the 9/11 attacks, was waiting outside the airport to pick up, was caught in the process of trying to enter the US on August 4, 2001, and sent back to Dubai. Had he been detained and investigated thoroughly, given the clear and obvious links and evidence he had of who he was meeting, etc., the plot could have been exposed.
And as for your “nine-year-old boy” whine, Chet, terrorists depend on the fact that Democrats and leftists like you will LET a nine-year-old boy through or not stop families out of political correctness. They have been using that trick in Israel for YEARS to cover up suicide bombers, infiltrators — or worse, sending the kids themselves to do it.
What you need to realize, Chet, is that these people are out to kill us and not only have no qualms about using children to do it, but HAVE used children to do it. They also are very well aware of the fact that insane leftists like yourself, blinded by your irrational hatred of the Bush administration, can be easily manipulated into sabotaging our armed forces and our border protections to allow them through to do it because doing so is anti-Bush.
Memo to Chet:
There is no Koranic equivalent to ‘turn the other cheek’ and ‘love your enemies.’ Just in case you weren’t too familiar with the so-called religion of peace.
Regards,
Peter H.
Texican–
“Where in the New Testament or in the Bible does it instruct Christians to murder Gays????”
–> Nowhere, and it doesn’t say to do so in the Koran either.
For a nation or relegion to progress it has to review where it has been and correct its actions that are not accepable………..this is called maturity. America and Christianity have done this, neither may be perfect, but there is no comparison to the vileness of the cult of islam and the evilness in the koran.
–>You familiar with Fred Phelps, Texican? If you can seriously sit there and try to claim that American fundamentalist Christians have somehow made “progress” on the homosexual question, then I’d say you need to open your eyes a bit.
realize that the cult of islam will hunt you down and murder you if America falls.
–>If President Bunny pants doesn’t get me first. I’m not afraid, Texican. Nearly every western democratic nation has a better record on gay rights than we do, yet you think you’re safe because of Bush’s war on terror?
we are reaching a time in America where we either take a stand and survive or be conquered by the cult of islam.
–>there are plenty of moderate muslims in the world, Tex. Of course their numbers dwindle by the day thanks to your ridiculous war.
–Chet
NDT — They weren’t trying to come to the US. They were trying to go to Canada. READ the article. Nice to see though that you will sacrifice democrat ideals so quickly in service to your paranoia. And we wouldn’t have had to bother “detaining” and “imprisoning” Atta et al. if Condi Rice had bothered to listen to Richard Clarke and if she’d bothered to read the papers on her own desk regarding an imminent terrorist attack.
It’s like Ben Franklin said: “Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.” You, NDT, deserve neither.
Once again, no Iranian child has ever threatened the US; in fact, a large number of Iranians hold friendly attitudes toward the US (until we bomb them, that is). It’s clear that these people were looking for help. But it doesn’t surprise me that you simply lump all Arab people together in your analysis of who deserves what rights. Fairly typical.
–Chet
Peter —
You wrote: “There is no Koranic equivalent to ‘turn the other cheek’ and ‘love your enemies.’ Just in case you weren’t too familiar with the so-called religion of peace.”
My reply: Who cares? The word “homosexual” is never uttered in the King James bible, yet it’s used by fundamentalist Christians to demonize us. I think you believe Islam is *inherently* an evil religion (despite historical and contemporary evidence to the contrary). You and others don’t even bother to distinguish between moderate versions of Islam and Wahabiism. Which is fine by me: I love it when conservatives are exposed as racists.
–Chet
Chet (#27) – Well, we see your answer:
1 – You “hate” the President.
2 – You won’t pick a side because it isn’t a football game.
No bro, it is the future of your nation. I think it is quite obvious who you want to win. I may ban you from this site for being an al-Qaeda sympathizer. The evidence is becoming overwhelming despite your cute attempts to seem moderate.
Bruce–
I have made patently clear that, in my view, we should crush al Qaeda — in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Iraq has nothing to do with that. Neither does a 9 year old Iranian boy rotting in a US jail. THAT is what side of the war I’m on Bruce. Being against al Qaeda does not require that I mindlessly support the catastrophe in Iraq which has never had anything whatsoever to do with the war on terror.
An al Qaeda sympathizer? You’re a sad joke, Bruce. You have a flimzy mind and you do not deserve to live in a democratic society.
Ban me all you want. That’s always been the way intimidated, small minded people maintain control.
–Chet
[GP. Ed. Note: I specifically did not ban, nor edit this comment, even though it violates …. as this commenter often does…. the community terms of conduct. I thought his comment should remain to highlight a typical liberal reaction when one challenges them with facts. Very Daily Kos, no?]
Hundreds of al Qaeda fled from Afghanistan to Iraq and were harbored there, straight after the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001.
In the years since, al Qaeda has continued to pump vast resources – tens of thousands of fighters and more – into Iraq. Such fighters are being captured or killed daily. (Chet, that’s a good thing.)
Such fighters for al Qaeda in Iraq are foreigners – i.e., non-Iraqi Arabs – many of whom would otherwise have travelled to Pakistan / Afghanistan, as they did throughout the 1980s and 90s.
If the U.S. were to retreat prematurely from Iraq, permitting an al Qaeda-led bloodbath there and basically the establishment of an al Qaeda-led state: even our allies in Afghanistan would instantly bail on us – some fleeing for their lives – as they grasp our total unreliability.
Yet, Chet says with a straight face anyway, “Iraq has nothing to do with [Afghanistan].”
Astounding. Words fail in describing such cluelessness.
The cluelessness undermines Chet’s claim to be in favor of victory in Afghanistan. Because Chet: they are connected. Victory in one, DOES depend on victory in the other. Get real. Get a clue.
Bruce — Thanks for your openness. Seriously. And any time I violate the community norms of conduct (which I’m hoping doesn’t simply mean disagreeing with people on this blog), just let me know and I’ll adjust (unless it means agreeing with you guys).
Cal —
You stated:
“Hundreds of al Qaeda fled from Afghanistan to Iraq and were harbored there, straight after the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001.”
–>Prove that Saddam Hussein harbored al Qaeda and I’ll support the war against Iraq. You specifically used the word harbored, which implies that an official governmental entity is responsible. No such claim has ever been made, not even by Bush. So, prove it: You can’t do it, can you?
“Because Chet: they are connected.”
–>Keep telling yourself that, Cal. If al Qaeda is in Iraq now, it’s because Bush threw our troops into a cauldron. That doesn’t mean there ever was a real connection between Saddam’s Iraq and al Qaeda.
–Chet
Especially given today’s comments.
Now, remember, folks, this is what Chet claims (emphasis mine):
I have made patently clear that, in my view, we should crush al Qaeda — in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Iraq has nothing to do with that…..Being against al Qaeda does not require that I mindlessly support the catastrophe in Iraq which has never had anything whatsoever to do with the war on terror.
Now, as we find out today:
A senior Taliban commander said in remarks broadcast on Friday that the Afghan Islamist group was sending fighters to Iraq to support anti-U.S. insurgents.
“Whenever there is a chance the (Afghanistan-based holy fighters) mujahideen travel to Iraq and the opposite is also true,” Mullah Dadullah told Al Jazeera television in an interview.
“We have very strong relations with the mujahideen in Iraq. The mujahideen stay in Iraq for a month for example then they come here,” he added in remarks dubbed in Arabic. “We also share intelligence.”
“Travel from and to Iraq is at a peak currently … if any mujahid wants to carry out an operation in Iraq he can travel.”
Logic would suggest that, if they are dumb enough to come to Iraq to try to get a shot in at our troops, that we return the favor, rather than running off; after all, that then means one less of them goes back to Afghanistan. And if we kill one of their Iraqi members, that’s one less to go TO Afghanistan.
But leftists like Chet don’t deal in logic. They claim they want to fight al-Qaeda, but then attempt to sabotage every attempt to do it, such as in Iraq.
Whose side are they on, anyway?
Chet, what the cult of islam has in store for you::::::
Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
Qur’an 8:52 “They denied and rejected the revelations of Allah, and Allah destroyed them, punishing them for their crimes: for Allah is strict, severe in punishment.”
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 9:73 “O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.”
Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”
Qur’an 47:4 “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; at length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burdens.”
chet, reference from the koran on Gays.
P17.3 The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said:
(1) “Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets it be done to him.”
(2) “May Allah curse him who does what Lot’s people did.”
(3) “Lesbianism by women is adultery between them.”
007.80 We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: “Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
007.081 “For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.”
007.082 And his people gave no answer but this: they said, “Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!”
007.083 But we saved him and his family, except his wife: she was of those who legged behind.
007.084 And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!
Chet, the cult of islam will murder you for being Gay…..
wake up………..quit being PC for your PCness will be the cause of your death.
The Texican.
All: In an email exchange I’ve had with Chet offline, he made the following statement:
And I cannot prove anything to you, because, well, you and most of the people on the blog seem rather closed off to real arguments.
That was in response to my asking him to prove that he isn’t rooting against America.
I think his response speaks for itself. Another typical liberal dodge. Did they all learn that from Clinton?
Sad, so sad that these people are so brainwashed by the Elite Establishment.
Bruce, I have never in all my years of posting here have said this next statement, so you realize that I am serious and not just having a knee-jerk reaction. If you choose to ban Chet, I won’t lose any sleep over it.
Regards,
Peter H.
You guys are a bunch of racists. You’ve probably never even been to an Islamic country.
And what is the “elite establishment” Bruce? Halliburton? Bechtel?
–Chet
“And I cannot prove anything to you, because, you seem rather closed off to real arguments.”
That’s basically what I’ve said to Chet before! LOL 🙂 Maybe he learned it from me? With this difference: I’ve said it, in the past, after actually engaging his arguments and actually providing valid information in support of my points. It’s an important difference.
The lower case clan / Ian / Chet / Daily Kos types like to protest that they’re patriotic because they favor a stronger war in Afghanistan. Or because they favor invading a sovereign country, Pakistan. Whatever.
It would be silly chest-thumping, if it weren’t so insincere. Picture a drug dealer saying “I was just about to throw all this stuff out and go legitimate, when you raided me.” It’s that level of protest.
We know, because we’ve been through it before. In the latest incident, some of those folks claimed as late as 11-12/2006 that they wanted troop increases in Iraq. They turned on the idea the second Bush proposed it, a month or so later.
In the shower I happened to think on what it would look like, if a Bush / Iraq war critic really wanted to win in Afghanistan. Their remarks might look like this:
I ask you: Do the remarks of the lower case clan / Ian / Chet / Daily Kos bear any resemblance to that?
NDT — I’ll tell you the same thing I told Cal: if you can PROVE that al Qaeda was being harbored by Saddam Huseein, then I’ll consider this a just war and take back everything I’ve said against it.
Of course this is a safe bet on my part, because you can’t prove the above.
–Chet
Chet said:
That’s the demand of an insane child, as I have just showed above (post held in moderation). Because al Qaeda is unquestionably in Iraq TODAY. You should support the Iraq war TODAY.
But – having said that – click here for one proof.
In other words: At the time in late 2002, Congress, using the same intelligence that the intelligence community gave to the President, stated emphatically that members of al Qaeda were known to be staying in Iraq.
That would be a formal resolution which a majority of Democratic Senators voted for – including Senators Rockefeller, Clinton and Kerry. Do you doubt their word?
I could offer lots, LOTS more. I could go on quite a long time! 🙂 But I’ll leave it there for now. Because Chet, as we established some time ago, “I cannot prove anything to you, [as you are] rather closed off to real arguments.”
Instead of starting with the kid, let’s start with his parents: Do you think adults should be allowed to travel into or through America (or any country, including their destination, Canada) on forged documents? If “yes”, we’re done and will have to agree to disagree.
If “no”, what should be done with them? I see two choices: 1) Put them on the next vehicle bound to from whence they came or 2) Detain them. I would take option 1: It’s cheaper. However, since #2 was chosen – and it doesn’t seem unreasonable (and they might be being processed for asylum – the article doesn’t say) – what should be done with their 9 year-old child? I see four choices: 1) send the child to the final destination, alone; 2) send the child back, alone; 3) treat the child as a foster child and try to find temporary placement (which may be a bit difficult in Puerto Rico if the child speaks neither English nor Spanish); or 4) detain the child with its parents. Number 4 doesn’t look so bad, now, does it?
Put your feelings about “locking up a child” aside and think it through.
You guys are a bunch of racists. You’ve probably never even been to an Islamic country.
Mhm….Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Jordan here.
And considering where I spent September 12, 2001, you might want to seriously rethink your statement.
Aside from the fact that Islam is a religion, not a race.
Egypt here.
I went, quite deliberately, so that I could get to know an Islamic country. In preparation, I studied the Arabic language, Muslim history, and (in English) parts of the Koran.
Calling “racist”, like calling “fascist”, is one of the many hand-waving (or subject-changing) tactics of the arrogant, stupid and ignorant leftist who has lost the argument.
As NDT points out often and rightly: the real racists are the people like Chet who – by their own admission – are quite happy with vicious, Pol Pot-style dictators and bloodbaths in the Middle East, whether by leaving Saddam in power, or (since that is no longer possible) withdrawing from Iraq prematurely and so putting al Qaeda in power there.
“You’ve probably never even been to an Islamic country.”
I’ve been to Turkey – a secular-progressive Islamic country. And yes, I kissed the ground of the USA when I came back.
Methinks the libtroll doth protest too much.
Regards,
Peter H.
And just listen to those crickets chirp, too.