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		<title>By: Op-ed Advice : EphBlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Op-ed Advice : EphBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] advice. Dan Blatt &#8216;85 has more.    [10] Comments 0       [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat: A lawyer gives a good (if lengthy) illustration of how a perfectly good, honest man might lie to people questioning him for no reason at all (or for totally irrational reasons):

http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2007/03/a_beldar_warsto.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat: A lawyer gives a good (if lengthy) illustration of how a perfectly good, honest man might lie to people questioning him for no reason at all (or for totally irrational reasons):</p>
<p><a href="http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2007/03/a_beldar_warsto.html" rel="nofollow">http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2007/03/a_beldar_warsto.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Hillary wins election I&#039;m going to kill myself . I&#039;ll be damned if I&#039;m going to live through another repeat of the Clinton circus in the face of global jihad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Hillary wins election I&#8217;m going to kill myself . I&#8217;ll be damned if I&#8217;m going to live through another repeat of the Clinton circus in the face of global jihad</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>July 18, 1997 Eric Holder sworn in as Deputy Attorney General

Washington Weekly 7/20/97 &quot;.It all started with the &quot;D.A. Massacre&quot; at the U.S. Justice Department. The Clinton administration in 1993 fired all U.S. Attorneys and replaced them with loyal cronies. That almost ended accountability for the Clinton administration, because indictment for crimes would have to be brought by U.S. Attorneys. An example is U.S. Attorney Eric Holder, conveniently placed at the District of Columbia-the actual crime scene for most of the misdeeds of the Clinton Administration. He has repeatedly refused prosecution of Clinton administration employees despite referrals with clear evidence of wrongdoing.. The Inspectors General of the different government agencies are the ethics and crime watchdogs. During the Clinton administration, they, as well as the respective general counsels, were replaced with loyal cronies answering no longer to the people of the United States but to the White House Counsel&#039;s office, the central intelligence office of the operation as we shall see later..Political intelligence gathered by Inspector Generals and other covert operatives of the White House Counsel&#039;s office has limited value if it cannot be turned into action. This is where political blackmail enters the picture. A truly corrupt administration can only survive if it can control public opinion, the judicial system, and the political system. Public opinion is controlled by the Clinton-friendly media. The judicial system has been taken care of as described above. That leaves the political system, which can still hold hearings and vote to impeach. The only effective way to deal with politicians is by blackmail. To blackmail a politician, you need dirt. To collect dirt, you need a private investigator or FBI agents. The White House has and uses both.. The replacement of the FBI director and the appointment of an Attorney General, both of whom are loyal cronies of the Clinton administration is an important part of the plan. Take as an example the current campaign financing scandal.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>July 18, 1997 Eric Holder sworn in as Deputy Attorney General</p>
<p>Washington Weekly 7/20/97 &#8220;.It all started with the &#8220;D.A. Massacre&#8221; at the U.S. Justice Department. The Clinton administration in 1993 fired all U.S. Attorneys and replaced them with loyal cronies. That almost ended accountability for the Clinton administration, because indictment for crimes would have to be brought by U.S. Attorneys. An example is U.S. Attorney Eric Holder, conveniently placed at the District of Columbia-the actual crime scene for most of the misdeeds of the Clinton Administration. He has repeatedly refused prosecution of Clinton administration employees despite referrals with clear evidence of wrongdoing.. The Inspectors General of the different government agencies are the ethics and crime watchdogs. During the Clinton administration, they, as well as the respective general counsels, were replaced with loyal cronies answering no longer to the people of the United States but to the White House Counsel&#8217;s office, the central intelligence office of the operation as we shall see later..Political intelligence gathered by Inspector Generals and other covert operatives of the White House Counsel&#8217;s office has limited value if it cannot be turned into action. This is where political blackmail enters the picture. A truly corrupt administration can only survive if it can control public opinion, the judicial system, and the political system. Public opinion is controlled by the Clinton-friendly media. The judicial system has been taken care of as described above. That leaves the political system, which can still hold hearings and vote to impeach. The only effective way to deal with politicians is by blackmail. To blackmail a politician, you need dirt. To collect dirt, you need a private investigator or FBI agents. The White House has and uses both.. The replacement of the FBI director and the appointment of an Attorney General, both of whom are loyal cronies of the Clinton administration is an important part of the plan. Take as an example the current campaign financing scandal.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before I get accused of having some agenda, I&#039;m not trying to build up a conspiracy against Clinton.. I&#039;m showing in context what went on the first year of his admin. No more than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I get accused of having some agenda, I&#8217;m not trying to build up a conspiracy against Clinton.. I&#8217;m showing in context what went on the first year of his admin. No more than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>markie: Disprove it.

DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, OVERVIEW



January, 1993

President Clinton takes office.

Clinton signs Presidential Decision Directive 2 (PDD 2) that approved a National Security Council (NSC) decision-making system that enlarged the membership of the NSC. The new membership of the NSC included the Treasury Secretary, the U.S. Representative to the U.N., the Asst. to the President for National Security Affairs, the Asst. to the President for Economic Policy, and the Chief of Staff to the President. Although not a member, the Attorney General would be invited to attend meetings pertaining to his jurisdiction. The President, Vice President, Secretary of State, and Secretary of Defense are members of the NSC as prescribed by law. The CIA director and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff also attend its meetings.

February, 1993

Bomb explodes in garage beneath the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people die. The FBI eventually arrests a group of Arab men led by Ramzi Yousef for the crime. Yousef is convicted in 1994.

March, 1993

Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno decide jointly to fire all U.S. attorneys at Justice Department effective immediately.

April, 1993

Former chairman of the Rose Law Firm, Joseph Giroir, incorporates the Arkansas International Development Corporation to bring Mochtar Riady&#039;s Lippo Group together with American companies looking to do business in Indonesia and China.

Clinton gives Mochtar Riady&#039;s son James Riady and Lippo employee John Huang tour of White House on the same day over 80 people die at Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. This is their fifth visit in only a week. Janet Reno would later take responsibility for the deaths.

James Riady escorts governor of Jakarta, Indonesia to East Wing of White House. White House officials provide no details of the meeting.

May, 1993

The White House fires the Travel Office staff following a review by White House Associate Counsel William Kennedy III, a former member of the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock. Kennedy attempted to involve the FBI and IRS in a criminal investigation of the Travel Office without first consulting the Justice Department.

July, 1993

Clinton fires FBI Director William Sessions at the behest of Reno. This is the first and only time in American history that a president would fire the head of the FBI.

The FBI obtains a warrant to search the Little Rock office of David Hale.

White House Counsel, boyhood friend of Bill, and former Hillary Rose Law Firm partner, Vince Foster, is found dead at Ft. Marcy Park in Virginia.

According to a Secret Service officer, White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum, Clinton aide Patsy Thomasson, and First Lady Hillary Clinton&#039;s chief of staff, Maggie Williams, visit Foster&#039;s office during the night. Ms. Williams removes some of Foster&#039;s folders.

Two days after Foster&#039;s death, Nussbaum again searches Foster&#039;s office. He continues to deny Park police and Justice Department investigators access to the office. In 1996, it is learned Nussbaum removed documents related to the Whitewater investigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>markie: Disprove it.</p>
<p>DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, OVERVIEW</p>
<p>January, 1993</p>
<p>President Clinton takes office.</p>
<p>Clinton signs Presidential Decision Directive 2 (PDD 2) that approved a National Security Council (NSC) decision-making system that enlarged the membership of the NSC. The new membership of the NSC included the Treasury Secretary, the U.S. Representative to the U.N., the Asst. to the President for National Security Affairs, the Asst. to the President for Economic Policy, and the Chief of Staff to the President. Although not a member, the Attorney General would be invited to attend meetings pertaining to his jurisdiction. The President, Vice President, Secretary of State, and Secretary of Defense are members of the NSC as prescribed by law. The CIA director and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff also attend its meetings.</p>
<p>February, 1993</p>
<p>Bomb explodes in garage beneath the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people die. The FBI eventually arrests a group of Arab men led by Ramzi Yousef for the crime. Yousef is convicted in 1994.</p>
<p>March, 1993</p>
<p>Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno decide jointly to fire all U.S. attorneys at Justice Department effective immediately.</p>
<p>April, 1993</p>
<p>Former chairman of the Rose Law Firm, Joseph Giroir, incorporates the Arkansas International Development Corporation to bring Mochtar Riady&#8217;s Lippo Group together with American companies looking to do business in Indonesia and China.</p>
<p>Clinton gives Mochtar Riady&#8217;s son James Riady and Lippo employee John Huang tour of White House on the same day over 80 people die at Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. This is their fifth visit in only a week. Janet Reno would later take responsibility for the deaths.</p>
<p>James Riady escorts governor of Jakarta, Indonesia to East Wing of White House. White House officials provide no details of the meeting.</p>
<p>May, 1993</p>
<p>The White House fires the Travel Office staff following a review by White House Associate Counsel William Kennedy III, a former member of the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock. Kennedy attempted to involve the FBI and IRS in a criminal investigation of the Travel Office without first consulting the Justice Department.</p>
<p>July, 1993</p>
<p>Clinton fires FBI Director William Sessions at the behest of Reno. This is the first and only time in American history that a president would fire the head of the FBI.</p>
<p>The FBI obtains a warrant to search the Little Rock office of David Hale.</p>
<p>White House Counsel, boyhood friend of Bill, and former Hillary Rose Law Firm partner, Vince Foster, is found dead at Ft. Marcy Park in Virginia.</p>
<p>According to a Secret Service officer, White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum, Clinton aide Patsy Thomasson, and First Lady Hillary Clinton&#8217;s chief of staff, Maggie Williams, visit Foster&#8217;s office during the night. Ms. Williams removes some of Foster&#8217;s folders.</p>
<p>Two days after Foster&#8217;s death, Nussbaum again searches Foster&#8217;s office. He continues to deny Park police and Justice Department investigators access to the office. In 1996, it is learned Nussbaum removed documents related to the Whitewater investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: markie</title>
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		<dc:creator>markie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Retract your slander. &quot;   &quot;every&quot;????...&quot;fired&quot;???? a little loose with the english language are we???? and it&#039;s nice to know that you have determined that the pixelled word in a chatroom is slander. rotf. delusional is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Retract your slander. &#8221;   &#8220;every&#8221;????&#8230;&#8221;fired&#8221;???? a little loose with the english language are we???? and it&#8217;s nice to know that you have determined that the pixelled word in a chatroom is slander. rotf. delusional is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s customary for a new Adminstration to replace all the US Federal Prosecutors. Why is this news to anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s customary for a new Adminstration to replace all the US Federal Prosecutors. Why is this news to anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31:&lt;blockquote&gt;The real question is why Bush did not do the same way back when.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, he did. These are &lt;em&gt;Bush&lt;/em&gt; appointees who are being fired. Not to mention being pressured by GOP Congressmen and at least one GOP Senator prior to the 2006 election. Domenici has already lawyered up! Looks like another good chance for a Dem Senate pickup in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31:<br />
<blockquote>The real question is why Bush did not do the same way back when.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, he did. These are <em>Bush</em> appointees who are being fired. Not to mention being pressured by GOP Congressmen and at least one GOP Senator prior to the 2006 election. Domenici has already lawyered up! Looks like another good chance for a Dem Senate pickup in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh..

Markie:  Clinton did fire every US Attorney when he took office in 1992.

Retract your slander.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh..</p>
<p>Markie:  Clinton did fire every US Attorney when he took office in 1992.</p>
<p>Retract your slander.</p>
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		<title>By: markie</title>
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		<dc:creator>markie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Clinton took office, he fired all of them&quot; another deluded republican speaks with forked tongue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Clinton took office, he fired all of them&#8221; another deluded republican speaks with forked tongue.</p>
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		<title>By: pigpaws</title>
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		<dc:creator>pigpaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11 Ian

Nothing wrong with firing federal prosecutors my friend. When Clinton took office, he fired all of them and put in his own people. The real question is why Bush did not do the same way back when. Maybe if he had, a lot of the crimes that the democrats are getting away with would have been dealt with. He should have purged all of the Clintonistas from the State Department and DOJ at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11 Ian</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with firing federal prosecutors my friend. When Clinton took office, he fired all of them and put in his own people. The real question is why Bush did not do the same way back when. Maybe if he had, a lot of the crimes that the democrats are getting away with would have been dealt with. He should have purged all of the Clintonistas from the State Department and DOJ at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;misled&quot; crap by the leftists is unreal. I remember back in the early 60&#039;s Mitt Romney&#039;s father came back from Vietnam and made a dumb statement that the Johnson Administration had &quot;brainwashed&quot; him into believing that the war was going well. It torpedoed George Romney&#039;s run for the Republican nomination, as the public and the press wondered how a potential candidate could be easily duped. But all these Democrats now with stunned looks on their faces, take pride in supposedly having been &quot;brainwashed&quot; and so easily duped by the dumb hick from Texas. It says more about how unserious this batch of libs really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;misled&#8221; crap by the leftists is unreal. I remember back in the early 60&#8242;s Mitt Romney&#8217;s father came back from Vietnam and made a dumb statement that the Johnson Administration had &#8220;brainwashed&#8221; him into believing that the war was going well. It torpedoed George Romney&#8217;s run for the Republican nomination, as the public and the press wondered how a potential candidate could be easily duped. But all these Democrats now with stunned looks on their faces, take pride in supposedly having been &#8220;brainwashed&#8221; and so easily duped by the dumb hick from Texas. It says more about how unserious this batch of libs really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have a trial in Washington DC how do you NOT end up with revolutionaries and leftists on the jury? When a special prosecuter in the future is appointed what would happen if ALL called pled the 5th amendment to prevent this kind of a witch hunt. I just heard that Libby didn&#039;t even have a dedicated attorney until he knew he was going to be indicted. He had already testified for 8 hours before the  Grand Jury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a trial in Washington DC how do you NOT end up with revolutionaries and leftists on the jury? When a special prosecuter in the future is appointed what would happen if ALL called pled the 5th amendment to prevent this kind of a witch hunt. I just heard that Libby didn&#8217;t even have a dedicated attorney until he knew he was going to be indicted. He had already testified for 8 hours before the  Grand Jury.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene in Pennsylvania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene in Pennsylvania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some questions: if Libby had $ 90,000 at home in his freezer, would he be a hero to the Dems and ian and be re elected. If Libby had made thousands of dollars on a real estate transfer could Libby be the Majority leader of the Senate. If Libby was caught on tape being offered a bribe and saying &#039;check with me later&quot; would he serve as a leader in the Pelosi House of Reps. If Libby drove off a bridge and killed his baby sitter and walked away for say a day or two would he become a Democrat icon. If Libby demanded his staff take his kids to and from school and to parties could he serve as the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. And now in the latest &quot;shrug&quot;, if Libby had unpaid parking tickets for TWENTY YEARS could he run for President as a Democrat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some questions: if Libby had $ 90,000 at home in his freezer, would he be a hero to the Dems and ian and be re elected. If Libby had made thousands of dollars on a real estate transfer could Libby be the Majority leader of the Senate. If Libby was caught on tape being offered a bribe and saying &#8216;check with me later&#8221; would he serve as a leader in the Pelosi House of Reps. If Libby drove off a bridge and killed his baby sitter and walked away for say a day or two would he become a Democrat icon. If Libby demanded his staff take his kids to and from school and to parties could he serve as the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. And now in the latest &#8220;shrug&#8221;, if Libby had unpaid parking tickets for TWENTY YEARS could he run for President as a Democrat?</p>
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		<title>By: markie</title>
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		<dc:creator>markie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One wonders why Fitzgerald pursued the investigation given that the Justice Department knew, even before his appointment that it was then-deputy secretary of State Richard Armitage who “had told Bob Novak about Mrs Wilson.” &quot;....nice to know that one can lie to a grand jury and be declared a saint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One wonders why Fitzgerald pursued the investigation given that the Justice Department knew, even before his appointment that it was then-deputy secretary of State Richard Armitage who “had told Bob Novak about Mrs Wilson.” &#8220;&#8230;.nice to know that one can lie to a grand jury and be declared a saint.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20, Calarato, as Ian stated, there was plenty of time before he testified.  It seems to me that the standard order of procedure is for people to tell their staff to cooperate fully, and more importantly, tell the truth.  As long as there are no winks, or secret meetings afterwards, then I think the message would be clear, and no witness tampering.  If Libby still wasn&#039;t sure, he could have asked Cheney privately, and Cheney could have emphatically restated about being truthful.  It just doesn&#039;t make sense that Libby would lie over nothing.  But since no other charges were made, I&#039;ll just accept it and move on.

As for Clinton, that&#039;s tougher.  I have never been a fan of Clinton, so I may not be the best one to answer, but I&#039;ll give it a shot.  IMO, Clinton has been one of the biggest offenders of the truth as President.  At the risk of sounding Clintonesque, I don&#039;t think he technically lied.  He took great pains to word things a certain way when he didn&#039;t want to be forthcoming.  Even the statement &quot;I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky,&quot; could be interpreted as the truth, because one could interpret that he didn&#039;t mean Monica Lewinsky, but some other &quot;that woman.&quot;  And I&#039;m sure there is at least one woman in the U.S. that Clinton did not have sex with.  I know people that, like Clinton, try to be intentionally deceptive and think it&#039;s not lying.  It may not be, I just think it&#039;s worse than lying.  By the way, I may be the only person who actually believed Clinton when he said &quot;I didn&#039;t inhale.&quot;  Maybe it&#039;s because it really doesn&#039;t matter.

As for perjury, that gets even trickier.  I don&#039;t have the link, but when Clinton was asked whether he had sex with Monica Lewinsky, the attorneys and the judge were given a very long definition of what sex was, and his answer was supposed to be based on that.  I think it&#039;s absolutely absurd, but in this definition, if one was the recipient of oral sex, then it wasn&#039;t sex.  Of course, it&#039;s silly that she was having sex, according to the definition, but he wasn&#039;t.  So on that count, at least, he did not commit perjury.  But he knew that he was being intentionally deceptive, and as attorney he should have elaborated on his answer, in the interest of justice.  But as we know, sometimes attorneys are not always interested in justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20, Calarato, as Ian stated, there was plenty of time before he testified.  It seems to me that the standard order of procedure is for people to tell their staff to cooperate fully, and more importantly, tell the truth.  As long as there are no winks, or secret meetings afterwards, then I think the message would be clear, and no witness tampering.  If Libby still wasn&#8217;t sure, he could have asked Cheney privately, and Cheney could have emphatically restated about being truthful.  It just doesn&#8217;t make sense that Libby would lie over nothing.  But since no other charges were made, I&#8217;ll just accept it and move on.</p>
<p>As for Clinton, that&#8217;s tougher.  I have never been a fan of Clinton, so I may not be the best one to answer, but I&#8217;ll give it a shot.  IMO, Clinton has been one of the biggest offenders of the truth as President.  At the risk of sounding Clintonesque, I don&#8217;t think he technically lied.  He took great pains to word things a certain way when he didn&#8217;t want to be forthcoming.  Even the statement &#8220;I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky,&#8221; could be interpreted as the truth, because one could interpret that he didn&#8217;t mean Monica Lewinsky, but some other &#8220;that woman.&#8221;  And I&#8217;m sure there is at least one woman in the U.S. that Clinton did not have sex with.  I know people that, like Clinton, try to be intentionally deceptive and think it&#8217;s not lying.  It may not be, I just think it&#8217;s worse than lying.  By the way, I may be the only person who actually believed Clinton when he said &#8220;I didn&#8217;t inhale.&#8221;  Maybe it&#8217;s because it really doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>As for perjury, that gets even trickier.  I don&#8217;t have the link, but when Clinton was asked whether he had sex with Monica Lewinsky, the attorneys and the judge were given a very long definition of what sex was, and his answer was supposed to be based on that.  I think it&#8217;s absolutely absurd, but in this definition, if one was the recipient of oral sex, then it wasn&#8217;t sex.  Of course, it&#8217;s silly that she was having sex, according to the definition, but he wasn&#8217;t.  So on that count, at least, he did not commit perjury.  But he knew that he was being intentionally deceptive, and as attorney he should have elaborated on his answer, in the interest of justice.  But as we know, sometimes attorneys are not always interested in justice.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Its like the lefties staged a guy in the jury to make sure things were Gorelicked.&lt;/i&gt;

Try 11 plus one &quot;Special&quot; prosecutor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Its like the lefties staged a guy in the jury to make sure things were Gorelicked.</i></p>
<p>Try 11 plus one &#8220;Special&#8221; prosecutor.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that a juror on the Libby trial already published a 10,000 (rounded figure) word article about the experience on Huffinton Bloat and that he&#039;s involved in some politics somewhat in the past makes me suspect the soundness of the trial.

Of course that isn&#039;t the only thing but right now is the most signfiicant.

Its like the lefties staged a guy in the jury to make sure things were Gorelicked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that a juror on the Libby trial already published a 10,000 (rounded figure) word article about the experience on Huffinton Bloat and that he&#8217;s involved in some politics somewhat in the past makes me suspect the soundness of the trial.</p>
<p>Of course that isn&#8217;t the only thing but right now is the most signfiicant.</p>
<p>Its like the lefties staged a guy in the jury to make sure things were Gorelicked.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/06/libby-verdict-adminstrations-clumsy-handling-of-wilsons-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-28713</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I joined the military since 9/11, I&#039;d be spitting mad at people like Ian who projects his own unwillingness to fight onto the commitment I made.  if I had joined the military I really doubt that I signed up to do nothing but busy work on Democrats pet domestic slave labor projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I joined the military since 9/11, I&#8217;d be spitting mad at people like Ian who projects his own unwillingness to fight onto the commitment I made.  if I had joined the military I really doubt that I signed up to do nothing but busy work on Democrats pet domestic slave labor projects.</p>
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