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		<title>By: markie</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/08/the-surge-is-working-as-democrats-push-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-64426</link>
		<dc:creator>markie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg, they are calling it a civil war!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg, they are calling it a civil war!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/08/the-surge-is-working-as-democrats-push-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-64425</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a very logical leap to equate liberals with communists.  Just look at Hugo Chavez.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a very logical leap to equate liberals with communists.  Just look at Hugo Chavez.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: election2004.ph &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Winning Room Reference Base Blog Archive Gambling Casinos - This Recorded History Of Organized Betting</title>
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		<dc:creator>election2004.ph &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Winning Room Reference Base Blog Archive Gambling Casinos - This Recorded History Of Organized Betting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Surge Is Working&#8230; As Democrats Push Defeat . Another important point is the insistence of the Iraqi government that political factions not interfere&#8230; of the operation, about twice previous figures. With help from a government-appointed committee, people in some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: vaara</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/08/the-surge-is-working-as-democrats-push-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-64423</link>
		<dc:creator>vaara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter H - wow. All I did was predict a massive plunge in D.C.&#039;s murder rate if its gun laws are repealed -- &quot;more guns, less crime&quot; is how the theory goes, right? -- and suddenly I&#039;m just like Kim Jong Il.

That&#039;s quite a logical leap there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter H &#8211; wow. All I did was predict a massive plunge in D.C.&#8217;s murder rate if its gun laws are repealed &#8212; &#8220;more guns, less crime&#8221; is how the theory goes, right? &#8212; and suddenly I&#8217;m just like Kim Jong Il.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s quite a logical leap there.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know was so funny.. in movies where there is war and the bad guys are looking to discredit the good guys.. the bad guys put on thier false mask and then make dire cries that the good guys are &quot;war mongers&quot;.


Whats even more funny is that the leftist who make these lies never see the parellels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know was so funny.. in movies where there is war and the bad guys are looking to discredit the good guys.. the bad guys put on thier false mask and then make dire cries that the good guys are &#8220;war mongers&#8221;.</p>
<p>Whats even more funny is that the leftist who make these lies never see the parellels.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;rightiswrong: another deluded stance from the gop&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;

Can you show me where the Republican Party comes into play in the link you gave?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>rightiswrong: another deluded stance from the gop</p></blockquote>
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<p>Can you show me where the Republican Party comes into play in the link you gave?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/08/the-surge-is-working-as-democrats-push-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-64428</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And #36-37 are sterling examples of the liberal/socialist/communist idea that the way to creating a &quot;worker&#039;s paradise&quot; is to disarm the population.

Sort of like what they do in Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea and anywhere the liberals are in charge of the courts, like the Ninth Circuit.

Try again.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And #36-37 are sterling examples of the liberal/socialist/communist idea that the way to creating a &#8220;worker&#8217;s paradise&#8221; is to disarm the population.</p>
<p>Sort of like what they do in Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea and anywhere the liberals are in charge of the courts, like the Ninth Circuit.</p>
<p>Try again.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: rightiswrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>rightiswrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, lots of progress:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.meeting/index.html

another deluded stance from the gop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, lots of progress:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.meeting/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/10/iraq.meeting/index.html</a></p>
<p>another deluded stance from the gop.</p>
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		<title>By: vaara</title>
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		<dc:creator>vaara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31, 32 -- Well, now we can all look forward to a massive plunge in DC&#039;s murder rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31, 32 &#8212; Well, now we can all look forward to a massive plunge in DC&#8217;s murder rate.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGayConservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGayConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 06:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The conservatives/Republicans are doing their utmost to slaughter our men and women overseas and guaranteeing more innocent will die.&lt;/i&gt;

And cutting off funds, reinforcements and supplies to our soldiers in-country does what? Not only did the liberals in congress authorize it, they DEMANDED it. They were for it before they were against it.

&lt;i&gt;Bush is a war-monger.&lt;/i&gt;

Most folks would rather have a &quot;war monger&quot;, who stands up for our country, as president than a total p*ssy who bends over and lubes up for &quot;our allies&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The conservatives/Republicans are doing their utmost to slaughter our men and women overseas and guaranteeing more innocent will die.</i></p>
<p>And cutting off funds, reinforcements and supplies to our soldiers in-country does what? Not only did the liberals in congress authorize it, they DEMANDED it. They were for it before they were against it.</p>
<p><i>Bush is a war-monger.</i></p>
<p>Most folks would rather have a &#8220;war monger&#8221;, who stands up for our country, as president than a total p*ssy who bends over and lubes up for &#8220;our allies&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elais: The Democrats legitmized the mass killings by going along with the Congressional authorizations.

So now what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elais: The Democrats legitmized the mass killings by going along with the Congressional authorizations.</p>
<p>So now what?</p>
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		<title>By: Elais</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/08/the-surge-is-working-as-democrats-push-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-64416</link>
		<dc:creator>Elais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>North Dallas Forty

The conservatives/Republicans are doing their utmost to slaughter our  men and women overseas and guaranteeing more innocent will die.

Bush is a war-monger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Dallas Forty</p>
<p>The conservatives/Republicans are doing their utmost to slaughter our  men and women overseas and guaranteeing more innocent will die.</p>
<p>Bush is a war-monger.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... sweet!!!!!

I think the appeal probably takes it to full DC court (vs. a 3-judge panel).  SCOTUS later.  I have no idea what will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; sweet!!!!!</p>
<p>I think the appeal probably takes it to full DC court (vs. a 3-judge panel).  SCOTUS later.  I have no idea what will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/08/the-surge-is-working-as-democrats-push-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-64389</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And NDT/Cal - did you hear that the DC Court of Appeals struck down DC&#039;s gun law on a 2-1 decision?

It will go to SCOTUS next on appeal by DC in all likelihood.

The two votes favoring the Second Amendment: Judge Laurence Silberman and Bush&#039;s recent pick, Judge Janice Rodgers Brown.

The anti-Federalist dissenter: Judge Karen Henderson.  (Her ruling was flimsy because she claimed that since DC is not a state, the Second Amendment did not apply.)

Oh happy day.....!

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And NDT/Cal &#8211; did you hear that the DC Court of Appeals struck down DC&#8217;s gun law on a 2-1 decision?</p>
<p>It will go to SCOTUS next on appeal by DC in all likelihood.</p>
<p>The two votes favoring the Second Amendment: Judge Laurence Silberman and Bush&#8217;s recent pick, Judge Janice Rodgers Brown.</p>
<p>The anti-Federalist dissenter: Judge Karen Henderson.  (Her ruling was flimsy because she claimed that since DC is not a state, the Second Amendment did not apply.)</p>
<p>Oh happy day&#8230;..!</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. I think the rest of your argument is sound.  There is a world of difference between taking guns from the law-abiding and taking them from criminal / terrorist gangs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. I think the rest of your argument is sound.  There is a world of difference between taking guns from the law-abiding and taking them from criminal / terrorist gangs.</p>
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		<title>By: Calarato</title>
		<link>http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/08/the-surge-is-working-as-democrats-push-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-64414</link>
		<dc:creator>Calarato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NDT, you know how much I respect you... With respect, sometimes your brush can get a little too broad.  vaara isn&#039;t Ian (and vice versa), even if they agree on some things.  And lumping people with their real-or-imagined cohorts - thus saddling them positions they may not share - is a fallacy.  We sure know it&#039;s a fallacy, from how much some individuals have (at different times) done it to each of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NDT, you know how much I respect you&#8230; With respect, sometimes your brush can get a little too broad.  vaara isn&#8217;t Ian (and vice versa), even if they agree on some things.  And lumping people with their real-or-imagined cohorts &#8211; thus saddling them positions they may not share &#8211; is a fallacy.  We sure know it&#8217;s a fallacy, from how much some individuals have (at different times) done it to each of us.</p>
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		<title>By: North Dallas Thirty</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Dallas Thirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, vaara, a necrophiliac is someone who likes having sex with dead people.

TGC&#039;s point was that people like yourself get pleasure out of terrorist and suicide attacks.

And the reason why we would think that is obvious; Ian, for one, has made it clear that Democrats are doing everything in their power to sabotage the war effort so that we fail in Iraq and the country collapses, which they think will vault them into political power.

Meanwhile, let&#039;s deal with your argument directly.

&lt;i&gt;Conservative-libertarians fervently believe that gun control inexorably leads to more violence, not less.

It is therefore reasonable to assume that according to libertarian-conservative dogma, the Iraqi government’s gun-grabbing program is likely to lead to more violence, thus making the Baghdad security plan less effective.&lt;/i&gt;

There is a key difference there, vaara; the Iraqi government&#039;s plan involves TAKING guns from EVERYONE, not just blocking law-abiding citizens from GETTING them, as is the case in the United States.

San Francisco&#039;s unconstitutional handgun ordinance is one example. What the law did was to prohibit the manufacture and sale of handguns in the city and make it illegal to keep one in their homes.

Which hit exactly one group of people -- those who bought from legitimate businesses and who had complied with the existing law by registering their weapons. It did nothing to take guns out of the hands of people who use them for criminal purposes, who tend not to do either.

Hence the issue; you prevent the law-abiding from having guns, but you do nothing to stop their proliferation among those who DO break the law. That&#039;s why it&#039;s ineffective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, vaara, a necrophiliac is someone who likes having sex with dead people.</p>
<p>TGC&#8217;s point was that people like yourself get pleasure out of terrorist and suicide attacks.</p>
<p>And the reason why we would think that is obvious; Ian, for one, has made it clear that Democrats are doing everything in their power to sabotage the war effort so that we fail in Iraq and the country collapses, which they think will vault them into political power.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, let&#8217;s deal with your argument directly.</p>
<p><i>Conservative-libertarians fervently believe that gun control inexorably leads to more violence, not less.</p>
<p>It is therefore reasonable to assume that according to libertarian-conservative dogma, the Iraqi government’s gun-grabbing program is likely to lead to more violence, thus making the Baghdad security plan less effective.</i></p>
<p>There is a key difference there, vaara; the Iraqi government&#8217;s plan involves TAKING guns from EVERYONE, not just blocking law-abiding citizens from GETTING them, as is the case in the United States.</p>
<p>San Francisco&#8217;s unconstitutional handgun ordinance is one example. What the law did was to prohibit the manufacture and sale of handguns in the city and make it illegal to keep one in their homes.</p>
<p>Which hit exactly one group of people &#8212; those who bought from legitimate businesses and who had complied with the existing law by registering their weapons. It did nothing to take guns out of the hands of people who use them for criminal purposes, who tend not to do either.</p>
<p>Hence the issue; you prevent the law-abiding from having guns, but you do nothing to stop their proliferation among those who DO break the law. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s ineffective.</p>
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		<title>By: vaara</title>
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		<dc:creator>vaara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for my intemperate outburst in #24. I was attempting to respond in kind to #22, in which I am accused of being some kind of necrophiliac.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Please provide it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for my intemperate outburst in #24. I was attempting to respond in kind to #22, in which I am accused of being some kind of necrophiliac.</p>
<p>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Please provide it.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number 23 poster above is obviously impervious to the truth that violent deaths in Baghdad have gone down 80% since the surge began.

That&#039;s a direct quote from Army intelligence, BTW.

Try again, lower-case-libtroll.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number 23 poster above is obviously impervious to the truth that violent deaths in Baghdad have gone down 80% since the surge began.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a direct quote from Army intelligence, BTW.</p>
<p>Try again, lower-case-libtroll.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for the aura of civility that Bruce and Dan are trying to impose on this board.

Regards,
Peter H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for the aura of civility that Bruce and Dan are trying to impose on this board.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Peter H.</p>
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