*cue dramatic music*
*enter Global Warming, from stage Left, wearing black cape as usual*
GW: Dammit! Just when I had those stupid humans eating out of my hand, Mother Nature has to intervene….again.
The average temperature in February 2007 was 32.9 F. This was -1.8 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 34th coolest February in 113 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.3 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.
She even got nasty when two snowstorms cancelled Congressional hearings on “climate change” in Washington, DC.
Damn her!
*Global Warming sulks over to his SUV, drives to the airport to take his Learjet back to California where he will retreat for a few weeks to his 10,000 sq. foot mansion which consumes 20 times the average American’s electric bill*
If the GayLeft can stop for a second from printing porn pics from Sanchez’s past, they’ll be inflamed at your hubris here Bruce.
First, how dare you use facts to rebut a political activist position?
Second, the thermometer that the alleged scientists used was a conservative thermometer, isn’t accurate and wasn’t peer-reviewed.
Third, anything you write can be discredited by repeating the GayLeftBorg mantra “But in my mind…” see Chet for instructions on the proper yoga position to employ while chanting.
Three (3) degrees in Malden, Mass. — less than two weeks from 1st day of spring.
Expecting a balmy 45 tomorrow.
Julie the Jarhead
Hmmm, data is for one month for one country yet your post title refers to “Global Warming” and you even put it in italics presumably for emphasis. Surely, you weren’t attempting to mislead your readers? I’ll be generous and chalk it up to sloppiness and the typical inability of a non-scientist to present scientific concepts in a rigorous manner.
Bruce, LOL 🙂
Honestly, statistical fluctuations can always be expected and the real blow to Manbearpig is this Channel 4 documentary which aired yesterday, showing that many scientists know it’s pseudo-science and bogus, political hype and are increasingly rejecting it.
Another major blow for the Manbearpig fanatics is that Mars has global warming, showing that solar radiation – Not human activity – is the primary cause of these planetary climate fluctuations that have always happened throughout human and geologic history, and always will continue to happen until our weather control scientists get much, MUCH better than they are now.
(Note: The second link itself does a poor job of explaining what I just said; you have to put your thinking cap on. Just reflect for yourself on the basic fact that Mars is experiencing some global warming like us, and what that must imply.)
Calarato, I love your South Park reference – SERIAL!! 😉
As I’ve always said, if these so-called meteorological scientists can “predict” what will happen years from now, how come they can’t get the damn 5-day-forecast right?
Regards,
Peter H.
Ian – you’re concerned about Bruce misleading his readers??? LOLOLOL!! I guess you think being force fed the leftist cultology of global warming is not misleading!! Give us all a little more credit than the typical Kool-aid guzzlers. We do our own homework and what is posted here is good for back-up, but not the end-all. I happen to believe global warming is a political agenda created by the left as yet another way to control our lives. When all the lefties give-up their lifestyles, and walk the walk, then maybe I will take it seriously. Until then, piss-off, hypocrites.
#3: Yeah, right, “the real blow” to human-induced climate change is a TV show. LOL!
And speaking of TV shows, it’s no wonder that in Australia, TV executives are perplexed by the dismal ratings for a “Save The Planet” climate special.
Maybe it’s because the viewers are smart enough to realize propaganda when they see it.
Regards,
Peter H.
LesbianNeoCon, welcome to the board. Love your posting.
Word of warning, however – we have all been advised that we are becoming too “harsh” in our treatment of non-conservatives. I am the one who is most guilty of calling them things like “libtards,” “Dhimmicrats” et al.
And while I applaud your sentiments and veracity, telling a poster to “piss off” will get you a reprimand from Bruce Almighty. Just FYI.
Other than that – love to hear more from you!
Regards,
Peter H.
thanks, LesbianNeoCon 😉
Thanks Peter! I will heed your advice! I wouldn’t want to be treated like Ann Coulter, or anything!! 😉
#8:
Translation: I get all my “scientific” information from Rush and Sean.
Translation: I talk with an echo.
Silly Ian – he has zero to say, so, he resorts to taking empty (& really immature) pot shots. So typical of his insignificant leftist ilk. He makes it so easy to win arguments! See, I know where Rush and Hannity stand, and while I agree with them on this issue, it’s not because they had any influence on me. I’ve thought the junk science of global warming was a crock long before those 2 had a chance to report it as such. Nice try though. Unless Ian can come up with an actual argument and not the one-liners he’s been spewing, he will continue to be regarded as yet another empty-headed leftist. I used to be one myself, so I understand his psychosis. Poor little man! Ian, if you read this, please do respond!! It’s fun to start the weekend with a good laugh!!
I don’t buy all of the Global Warming stuff myself. The average temperature has increased over 1 degree in the past 100 years, but there still has been fluctuations, and *gasp* snowstorms in places that normally get snow during the winter. And frankly I don’t care whether it’s cyclical or humans or a combination of both that’s causing it. Just as I didn’t view the nice balmy 70 degree day in NJ in January as evidence that the end is near. Oh yes, I also get the hypocrisy of Al Gore and the other politicians. I just hope that this month isn’t evidence of global cooling. That would be bad too. 🙂
Pat – Not only that, but recently the Greenland ice sheets have been slightly growing – not rapidly shrinking. And Antarctic temperatures have been dropping.
Look: I do buy Global Warming, to the following extent. It is a fact that average global temperatures have risen about a degree or so, in the last 100 years. HOWEVER –
It is NOT a fact that that is anything unusual. Even in recorded history (the last 2500 years), we’ve had several warming and cooling cycles – that were larger. The Earth was *warmer than now*, and *the ice sheets smaller*, during the Medieval Climate Optimum (1000s – 1200s).
And it is NOT a fact that global temperatures are going to rise out-of-control in the next 100 unless we immediately implement the Kyoto Protocol. Even pro-Manbearpig scientists concede Kyoto will have very little impact (on their misguided projections) for a very long time. And Kyoto excludes the two biggest-growing CO2 emitters, China and India!
By contrast, the Bush Administration’s approach to CO2 control *includes China and India*, and has the cooperation of industry. Read something about it here: http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/005069.php
You know, we’ve all met the Ian-global-warming-induced-by-manbearpig types before… around 2nd grade. The story was called “Chicken Little” and the sky wasn’t really falling, no matter HennyPenny thought or AlGore thinks.
It even inspired a national award for media-hype, scare-driven, alarmist false science parading as environmental activism… it’s called, Rightly, the Chicken Little Award.
Speaking of Chicken Little, why are the conservative blogs so quiet about the planned entry into the Prez sweepstakes by America’s foremost conservative and leading anti-war statesman ChuckHagel?
I mean, this guy has all the right conservative credentials. He’s in the stratosphere as far as American Conservative Union is concerned… well, but so was MattSanchez so that’s maybe no longer a badge of courage for conservatives… but still. Chuck Hagel = Mr Conservative.
He’s true enuff, pure enuff, and he sniffs Right on all the litmus test issues.
Pat, I have something for you but it’s in moderation… stay tuned.
Michigan-Matt, you wrote:
***Speaking of Chicken Little, why are the conservative blogs so quiet about the planned entry into the Prez sweepstakes by America’s foremost conservative and leading anti-war statesman ChuckHagel?***
If he’s anti-war, then I won’t vote for him. People need to understand that we did not start the war. Islam has been at war with Western Civilization for centuries. If we run away, like the dhimmicrats want us to do, the war won’t just magically end – it will worsen and eventually we will be hearing about, or personally experiencing the homicide attacks being perpetrated over there, here. We need a leader who “gets” what’s at stake and finish the job correctly – regardless of what the poll numbers say. We have the democratic party to fill the defeatist, poll-driven shoes. We don’t need a Republican.
and aids is the gay plague from god, cfc’s don’t degrade the the ozone layer and the massive CO2 etc. dump into the atmosphere doesn’t change it’s temperature. and adding salt to water doesn’t decrease it’s freezing point .
“I happen to believe global warming is a political agenda created by the left as yet another way to control our lives”
And you righties say people are on the left are moonies?
Jeez….that statement tops them all…
#17 –
And we’ve all met you Grasshopper types who want to sing, eat what is in front of you and do what is easy instead of what is hard.
You drive in your hummer and deride, while ignoring the difficulties ahead.
Further Chucky has publicly differed with Bush the Pious.
Thus he has been excommunicated from the Church of “Real” Conservatives,
Similar to McCain
Besides there is always Brownback and Huckebee to fall back on
keogh – prove me wrong, nutroot.
And we’ve all met you Grasshopper types who want to sing, eat what is in front of you and do what is easy instead of what is hard.
You drive in your hummer and deride, while ignoring the difficulties ahead.
Ah yes, hard…..like Al Gore living in one normal-sized house, rather than the multiple massive and expensive residences he has now, using electricity enough for one family, rather than the double-digit amount he uses for now, owning only one non-SUV car, unlike the fleet he has now, and flying commercial, rather than the private jet he uses now.
It’s a bit like the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh preaching the value of hard work, austerity, and simplicity from the window of his jewel-encrusted Rolls-Royce.
Of course, the reason Gore can afford all these things, keogh, is because people like you are dumb enough to pay $15 to see his propaganda movies and cough up six-figure fees to hear him rail against the rich as the cause of all the problems in this country.
The rest of us recognize a man who’s addicted to controlling the lives of others and sees nothing wrong with exploiting them in the process.
keogh offers anyone to substantiate the following (which he finds lacking credibility): “I happen to believe global warming is a political agenda created by the left as yet another way to control our lives.”
keogh, the same people who brought us wild fires in the West and SW because the environmentalists secured court injunctions to prohibit ANY deadwood clearing in natl and state forests (for fear it would disrupt the delicate eco-balance) are the ones hawking the global warming political action agenda —-smaller cars, no nukes, green bldg, no burbs/sprawl is baaaad and so are the rich white people fueling it, no new highways, subsidized mass transit, redevelopment in decayed inner cities, etc.
Global warming is a way for the Left and eco-purists to enforce their view of “a just and properly ordered society” upon all of us –thank you never-Prez AlGore. They’d use the tax code to hammer clean coal, new oil drilling, larger cars, etc. Additionally, they’ve waged war on American lifestyles for years in the courts… securing court remedies which stop new refineries, new nuke plants, reasonable timber management, opening up oil and propane fields, prohibiting the extension of development infrastructure to suburban areas, etc.
Sorry, but the point made by LNeoCon is right. It is an attempt to impose the Left’s values on society. It is part of the eco-purist agenda that brought us conditions which contributed directly to wildfires, the loss of human life and property in the West and SW and is strangling our economy –and would strangle it further if the Left got its bloody Kyoto Treaty protocol in place in the US.
Like Calarato is fond of pointing out for you and sean, keogh:
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTT. Wrong again.
Bruce, I for one am totally relieved that we can ignore the documented rise of average surface temperatures over the last 150 years, of CO_2 concentrations over the last 50 years, of the melting and retreat of polar glaciers, of the corresponding rise in sea levels, and that the concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane in our atmosphere are now higher than at any other point in a bit over the last half-million years, based purely on your say-so. And never mind it’s strong correlation with our use of fossil fuels!
*Wheew.*
I was so worried about that global dialogue over how best to deal with this problem without wrecking our economies or destroying our planet. Thankfully, that doesn’t need to happen!
Bruce, you truly are a costly tool!
#15:
I simply gave your fact-free comment all the respectful deference it deserved. As someone who has taught an advanced university course in environmental chemistry, I suppose I could attempt to explain some of the concepts covered therein but I see little evidence that many of the conservatives commenting here have taken any science courses at the high school level let alone passed the college prerequisites for my course. That observation and your attitude – faith based I suppose – that decades of voluminous peer-reviewed research on climate change represent “junk science” would seem to argue against a reality-based professional such as myself wasting his time.
BTW, I had a good laugh the other night watching that dolt Hannity attempt to present the deniers’ case. He made a big deal of all the “scientific” skeptics and even provided a rolling list of names. One of those “scientists” was none other than Vladimir Putin! Presumably Sean had a chance to look into pootie-poot’s scientific soul. LOL!
What if the CEO Exxon proves your wrong?
from:
“Speaking at an annual heavyweight industry gathering hosted by Cambridge Energy Research Associates, Tillerson said the oil industry should join the policy debate on climate change and take immediate steps to reduce emissions. ”
and
“Long considered the most hostile oil company to global warming policy, Exxon has gradually softened its stance under Tillerson. Last week, the largest private oil company in the world explicitly acknowledged that greenhouse gases from human activity are a factor in global warming, a reversal from the company’s long-standing position..”
As someone who has taught an advanced university course in environmental chemistry, I suppose I could attempt to explain some of the concepts covered therein but I see little evidence that many of the conservatives commenting here have taken any science courses at the high school level let alone passed the college prerequisites for my course.
Many of us are not graduates of public schools, Ian, in which children are taught not to question the professor.
I have no doubt that you, as a teacher, flunked anyone who suggested that there might be something different than what you were telling them. You make it quite obvious that you are not interested in alternate viewpoints, that you belittle anyone who doesn’t agree with you, and that your view is that something can only be correct if you agree with it.
For example, Ian, your leftist scientific dogma is that human activity is solely responsible for global warming and that solar activity has nothing to do with it.
When Calarato pointed out that global warming is taking place on a planetary body on which there is no human activity at all, you denigrated his education level and claimed he had never taken any science courses in either college or high school — a fact which you, quite frankly, have no way of knowing — rather than looking at the article directly.
Now that more and more experts are coming forward to debunk the GW hysteria, any thoughts on what the next leftists anti human cause will be?
I figured out mankind wasn’t causing climate change when I read Mars is warming at our same rate. And I believe AlGORE hasn’t even made a speech there yet.
Hey on another subject, did you see Ms Pelosi has broken the copyright laws? The most ethical Congress in history eh? Corruption from top to bottom. The rot and stench stinks.
http://newsbusters.org/node/11302
Should a special prosecuter be named or should she resign outright?
Wow, NDT – Did Ian try to denigrate my education level somewhere?
You know, I don’t even read Ian’s comments half the time (or more), because there have been past discussions where I’ve witnessed you or others catching Ian in lies. Thus, I honestly haven’t read any of Ian’s comments in this thread before this moment.
I still can’t spot the specific comment (after doing a hasty scan – spending almost no time on it) where Ian would have denigrated my education. As it happens, I am nearing completion of a supplementary degree (a professional certificate) in a life science. I’ve completed about 20 credit hours (about 8 classes).
I did see a pathetic little sneer from Ian about TV or something. I gather he might have thought that constitutes (in his mind) a refutation of that British Channel 4 documentary I mentioned earlier – the one showing that many scientists know Manbearpig is pseudo-science and bogus, political hype and are starting to turn against it.
I would further gather Ian hasn’t see the documentary – and consequently, it would contain scientific testimony he is unfamiliar with.
The Great Global Warming Swindle
http://www.mininova.org/tor/612593
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3635222/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle
here is another one
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3635143/Channel_4_-_The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle.avi
Here is the web page of the documentary.
http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/G/great_global_warming_swindle/index.html
#31 – And Gene, if Algore does decide to hop into his private jet after getting there with his SUV, let’s hope that he doesn’t try to stiff his hosts or treat the help like crap.
Algore must be channeling Leona Helmsley: “We don’t do that. Only the little people do that.”
Actually, given his recent weight gain, it looks like he ate her instead.
Either that, or he’s deluded himself that he’s the reincarnation of Paul Bunyan. Doesn’t he call Tipper “Babe,” also? Hmmm….
Regards,
Peter H.
#27:
Well, I wasn’t actually responding to Cal specifically- unless he’s undergone a sex change and now comments as LesbianNeocon – but if the shoe fits… Furthermore, I never claimed that he/she had never taken a science course, just that there is little evidence of it for many conservatives commenting here.
Well, since the vast majority of the course dealt with chemical equations, reactions and calculations, someone suggesting that 1 + 1 “might be something different” from 2 would have a difficult time, I’ll admit.
Pot, meet kettle. 😉
Ian, why do you prefer to condemn and belittle rather than debate? Is it possible that all the education and practice at teaching has taught you to be intolerant and dismissive? Even the nuns at my Catholic grade school knew that kind of conduct wouldn’t win teachers any converts. Frankly, from what you’ve written on this blog, your claimed credentials don’t track very well with your insights.
The truth is that astrophysics HAS proved conclusively (and no, it isn’t a scientific theory… it’s a fact) that Mars is warming. Man has had nothing to do it with unless we have misjudged the albedo effect of all those GayLeftBorg tin foil hats.
Here’s the rub of it, Ian.
Scientists have known for a while that Pluto is undergoing “global warming” http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html
Scientists suspected for a while that Jupiter is undergoing “global warming”
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html
NASA’s Hubble telescope has proven long ago that Neptune’s moon –Triton—is undergoing “global warming”
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/19980526052143data_trunc_sys.shtml
Scientists have known about the larger effect of the Sun’s 1000 year (1000 YEAR Ian!) heating cycle on the Earth’s surface temperatures
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/18/ixnewstop.html
It’s pretty clear that global warming “caused by ManBearPig’s wasteful consumption of fossil fuel” isn’t exactly the correct conclusion to draw —even discounting all the problems with AlGore’s overstatements and mischaracterizations in his “docu drama”.
The real issue is, why can’t you learn, Ian? Is it because you can’t imagine putting down the water pail you’ve been carrying for the GayLeft? Come on, Ian. Think on your own and use those skills you once had as an undergraduate eons ago. Think, Ian; think.
#31:
Nah, it’s retty much the same old cranks and Exxon paid shills. Maybe you’re referring to Sean Hannity’s “impressive” list of “experts” like Vladimir Putin. Now that’s scraping the bottom of the barrel, wouldn’t you say?
There are any number of non-alarmist reasons to consume less energy and out-gas less by-products than we do. The sky doesn’t *have* to be falling to put forward persuasive arguments that protect the environment.
Funniest thing I read lately (though it was dated 2001, IIRC) was a link from Baldilocks that described the eco-efficiency of Bush’s 4000 sq foot Crawford home. The writer was having kittens. How could Bush possibly reconcile the fact that he employed all the best conservation methods to reduce energy use and conserve and reuse water (even with a gray water recovery system for irrigation) but oppose Kyoto? Was this only something for the wealthy and us normal folks were denied the right to conserve? (like I said… FUNNY) And the “shockingly small” 4000 sq foot house. That’s small? Would it seem small to a single mother in Los Angeles? (the rant was priceless).
No doubt the Bush home in Maine is larger and I don’t know if they own other homes but 4000 sq feet IS shockingly small. The gist of the rant seemed to be that one wasn’t allowed to be careful of the environment if one was not publically confessing at the altar of Gaia.
No one wants to destroy the world. Taking that for granted would help the dialog a great deal. Politicizing this is absolutely opportunistic. Emotion is what get’s funding for scientists. Emotion is what gets voters out to vote. The alarmism is a tool for gain.
Something that will happen soon, in the next several centuries which is *now* in geological time, is that the Earth WILL lose the magnetic field that blocks radiation from reaching the surface of the planet. It’s already acting a little wacky (which is why scientists were looking for the reason *why*). Our magnetic poles are getting ready to flip. After they do the magnetic field will start up again but for a few hundered years there will be no natural radiation shield around the earth beyond our atmosphere.
Why do we not hear anything about this?
Simple. It can’t be used as a political lever. All we can do is sit back and watch.
Might it have some effect on climate change? How could it not?
I will take seriously the first scientist I ever hear who explains how a weakening magnetic field over the next centuries will likely affect the climate of Earth, because if they aren’t taking that into account they obviously have an agenda more than a scientific curiosity.
Ummm… gee… maybe because Kyoto is awful? Flawed beyond repair? Something hugely expensive, that will accomplish… nothing?
Even its proponents admit that if every Kyoto signatory did everything required, it would shave only half a degree off their (misguided and wrong) projections of massive temperature increases in 50-100 years.
Kyoto is like buying a hugely expensive, debilitating insurance policy… that will never pay off. Especially for the real eco-friendly people, there’s no reason to do it.
#37:
I’d be interested in seeing your source for this. NASA claims otherwise:
#39 No doubt they’ve been (“they” being real scientists with real jobs) studying the issue and revising predictions. The last thing I saw about the field being gone basically said that we’d probably pretty much all be fine anyway. The fact is that it’s a best guess and that will change again. It also doesn’t change the fact that there will be a disruption and it would be foolish to think that it won’t affect the Earth.
My test, as it were, makes sense to me. When I feel that the Global Warming Alarmists have considered adequately the complexity of it all, and the pole flip is a good benchmark for “it all”, then I’ll take them seriously.
Global warming alarmists have what many true believers have, and that is an absolute faith in their own rightness. Take something that we *can’t* know, and a lot of science counts – always more questions raised than answered, and rather than always having that curiosity and questioning reservation, claim to be sure and villify non-believers, then what you’ve got is religion and not science.
41. ian you and other leftists can change the earths magnetic field, just get all your buds to spin in the other direction. yuck yuck
#35:
Because, Matt, when people tell me to “piss off” after I make a perfectly valid point, I assume they are not especially interested in meaningful debate and so respond in kind.
As for the point I think you’re trying to make: since other planets may be warming, then the earth’s warming can’t be due to human-produced increase in CO2, it is quite illogical. These other planets are under conditions dramatically different from our own. Take Pluto for example, whose “year” is equal to about 248 of our own and it only recently passed within its closest distance to the sun in its very elliptical orbit.
There is no getting around the fact that the more we learn about the changes in our own atmosphere and how levels of CO2 compare to those from the past 800,000 years, that we are in a period of unprecedented (in that timeframe) levels of CO2. Couple that with the tight correlation between CO2 levels and temperature, the experimentally-verifiable “greenhouse effect” of CO2 and the understanding of the CO2 molecule and you have what amounts to a “smoking gun.” Could other factors be involved? Quite possibly and for some, there is little we could do. But we can do something about our production of CO2 and the potential consequences of CO2 induced climate change are serious and costly enough that we ought to try.
You might also consider who at least in the short term stands to gain the most financially from our continued reliance on fossil fuel energy and who financially backs many of the “contrarians” on this issue.
#43:
No. Yecch yecch.
What percentage of CO2 is due to humans? Last number I heard was a fraction of a percent.
This is the thing, Ian, that sets off my BS detectors. Talk to me about carbon draw down and I might be interested. Insist that I feel guilty about it, or alarmed, or that I express the correct level of emotionality and I’m likely to think (cuz I don’t say stuff like that) that it belongs up an orafice where the sun don’t shine.
We don’t know why the Earth seems to be getting warmer. Not for a certainty. What if we “fix” the problem… actually figure out how to make the world notice that we’re on it’s surface… what if we “fix” something that isn’t broken?
Excuse me for being a skeptic but I don’t see a pattern of doom sayers being right about much of anything. And I don’t notice them being interested in new or contraditory information either. As an example, idiots with PhD’s are still found preaching an over-population doctrine when we may be facing a crisis in the opposite direction.
Why are Global Warming zealots any different? Will the problem be “fixed” like the population one and leave us with the opposite crisis while true believers remain unwavering in their faith?
I could have sworn Ian was an attorney.
At any rate,
What if the CEO Exxon proves your wrong?
That wouldn’t have anything to do with Rockefeller and Snowe sending a threatening letter, would it?
Umm, why are we accepting Ian’s claims of expertise? I have seen no evidence and indeed he has listed no details at all. I would like a bit more info before accepting his assertions as fact.
BTW FYI I have a PHD in Big Science, played in the NBA, NFL and NHL (all at the same time) and am a world renowned artist with a net worth in nine figures.
Merkwürdigeliebe says:
One wonders what facts should be presented to an arrogant lib who will just ignore it because it doesn’t fit his religious beliefs of Global BS.
Both decades? You forget that it wasn’t that long ago the pending cataclysm was global cooling. That is, of course, forgetting about acid rain, Nuclear Winter, El Niño, Y2K and all the other “peer reviewed” calamities that were supposed to wipe us out.
Interesting. I’ve never once gathered that you had any interest whatever in “meaningful debate”. Although, I am aware that your definition of meaningful debate is us biting on a pillow while you espouse your lying points.
My question is who financially backs those who are foisting Global BS on the populace. Why is it ASSumed that everybody who doesn’t swallow the new Communist’s load financed from the oil companies? Why is it that the Global BS crowd guards who’s financing them?
How about Big Lightbulb? Their mercury filled compact flouresents seem to have been getting a ton of free publicity.
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to who finances the global BS movement. Surely you aren’t too scared to do so?
BTW, Ian,
I do some work for a phosphate company down here in Florida. While corn for ethanol is going through the roof, they’re benefitting financially and still mining the Bone Valley region here for more phosphate. News came out that they’re stock is expected to double in the next year.
So not only is ethanol giving us more smog and higher corn prices, you can rest assured that Big Fertilizer is set to make a killing. But you can rest assure that you’re saving the planet using ethanol, meanwhile central Florida is being dug up some more.
Calarato, I didn’t hear about Greenland, but I did see that Antarctica has been cooling over the past 100 years.
Synova, you’ve made good points about energy use. Global warming or not, there is good reason to conserve energy, and perhaps find alternative sources.
As for overpopulation, that’s trickier. The twentieth century saw the population go from 1.65 billion in 1900 to 6.1 billion in 2000. We’re now at 6.7 billion. The growth rate is slowing down and we should only have about 9.5 billion in 2050. In fact population is starting to decrease in Western Europe and Japan, but still exploding in third world areas, such as Africa. So there is definitely some concerns there. Currently there are enough resources for the population (with the problem, of course, of getting them to many people). My understanding is that we may not know, until it’s too late when we cannot renew resources fast enough to sustain the population. But that could be happening now, or when the population reaches 100 billion for all we know.
There are a lot of problems in this world… overpopulation isn’t one of them. Indeed as Pat says, in many places on earth, the population is decreasing.
Western Europe and Russia are undergoing population and cultural collapse as we speak.
When the CEO of Exxon says Global Warming is happening and its partially due to Human activity you can bet something is going on. His company has invested millions upon millions of dollars to fight global warming science and now that investment has been thrown away.
He would not do that on a whim or because of “pressure”
He would only do that because his data shows that Global Warming is happening.
Yet you rightists continue to highlight your insignificant statistical anomalies as “major blows to GW”
Truly your tactics in fighting GW are the same as those who push that ID bulls**t in school districts.
the only argument left in the global warming debate is whether it’s because of man’s actions. any and all scientists have concluded global warming is real and happening. any one who doesn’t believe it is showing their ignorance, and probably doubt evolution and probably thought a few days before the ’06 elections that the gop would retain both the house and senate (where are you Peter H?).
#53 If the CEO of Exxon jumps on the GW bandwagon it only illustrates the evil profit motives of Big Oil trying to foist the GW dogma upon us.
I’m looking forward to it since every Progressive knows that if Exxon is for it, it’s evil. Thus it will end the debate.
“BTW FYI I have a PHD in Big Science, played in the NBA, NFL and NHL (all at the same time) and am a world renowned artist with a net worth in nine figures.”
Now THIS is an example of diversity in our community. Well said, BoBo.
Regards,
Peter H.
#45 – Funny, I always say the same thing when I read stuff from the lower-case-libtrolls on this board. Especially if it is cut-and-pasted by you-know-who.
Regards,
Peter H.
Overpopulation is trickier only if the elements that influence population are ignored. That’s what those who continue to preach the evils of reproduction do. The last one I heard was a PhD fellow from Australia suggesting that, for the good of the world, it was going be necessary to take people’s choices away from them, possibly by putting something in the water to sterilize people and beginning with developed nations, of course.
Population fixes itself in relationship to economic opportunity and education… not indoctrination that having kids is bad, but education. A better standard of living results in people having fewer children for a variety of reasons. Those reasons have nothing to do with the incessant preaching that having children is bad for the planet. Take the natural reduction in fertility rates and add to it the reduction caused by convincing high school students that it’s immoral to want children (if you doubt this is done, you need to go back to school) and we may well *over* correct the problem. The fact that Russia and Europe are trying to extinct their own ethnic cultures is an indication that this is already happening. Self-selected genocide.
So… we “fix” global warming. The absolute lack of any sort of humility galls me. Are we really so brilliant that we can “fix” a problem we don’t understand? When it’s all said and done, “Ooops” just isn’t going to cut it.
Can we please be very releived that during the Global Cooling Crisis of a couple decades ago that we *didn’t* spread black stuff on the polar ice to increase insolation?
More economic & political freedom
… = more development
… = higher living standards (especially for the poorest)
… = kids becoming an economic cost, not an economic asset
… = lower birthrates
A long-proven causal chain. But lefties hate economic freedom (things being out of control of government & academic bureaucracies), so they deny or at least ignore it, whenever possible.
Calarato,
I’m a proud lefty and I love economic freedom.
Peter
You sometimes appear to me as a troll yourself.
The polar bear – supposedly one of the species doomed, DOOMED by Manbearpig – is thriving:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/whiny_losers_not_popular_somehow/
Inuit hunters say it, so it must be true!!! (After all, aren’t all primitive – excuse me, “native” – American cultures automatically superior to, and more believable than, ours? Surely their shamans are more trustworthy than our leading scienticians, oops I mean “scientists”.)
#60 – Really, Elias?
So, do you support raising or cutting income taxes?
Do you support increasing or decreasing regulatory burdens?
Do you support socialized medicine (e.g., universal payer), or trying to go back to a more privatized and free-market system?
Do you support our current Ponzi scheme for Social Security, or a system like Chile’s where workers get to fund and control their own Social Security accounts – keeping their own contributions and earnings?
Note that in all the above sentences, the first position is the “Left” position. And the second position, is the position of (true) economic freedom.
Do tell us where you stand, Elias. We’re all ears.
Oh – and, in terms of the global economy, and the subject of this thread (Manbearpig):
Do you support implementation of Kyoto? Or, instead, do you think the globe (especially Third World countries) should be allowed to develop freely?
Elias, final thought for you to ponder – before I dash. (Beautiful afternoon here in CA!)
Trolls call people trolls. (I.e., only trolls feel the need to initiate name-calling like your #60.)
I chose to respond to your troll-bait… this time. Hope it’s fun for you! 😉
seems like it would be more fun, instead of trying to swift boat gore for trying to wake the brain dead, if one would consider how inappropriate it was for him to try and fit into a skin tight tuxedo when a haitian moomoo would have been the appropriate fashion statement. the man has no taste.
#37 – Matt – those articles impress! Thanks.
It may be reasonable to attribute Pluto’s outbreak of Manbearpig to its
unusually elliptical 248-year orbit which came closest to the Sun just in
1989.
HOWEVER… Jupiter only has an 11-year (I think) orbit, and its outbreak of
Manbearpig, like Mars’, is most reasonably explained by the same solar cycle
affecting us.
1000 years would be a rough average for the Sun’s cycle; it can vary. What
we’ve seen in recorded human history is:
– a Roman Warm Period around 400BC – 100AD
– a dip, moving into the appropriately-named Dark Ages
– a Medieval Warm Period around 900-1300AD
– a dip, moving into the Mini-Ice Age of the 1500s and 1600s
– a slight turnaround around 1800 or 1850, moving into the present-day Warm
Period.
It’s possible CO2 cycles could intensify the effect some – but not
drastically. First, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is tiny – measured
in a few hundred parts per million. Even now, it’s dwarfed by other
greenhouse gases. The number one greenhouse gas by far is water vapor. I
believe the number two might be methane? CO2, even at present
slightly-increased levels, is small potatoes.
Second, the Earth very likely has all kinds of climate feedback mechanisms
that preserve climate stability. Some scientists think, for example, that
if the temperature climbs a little – and/or there is more CO2 – then upper
atmospheric clouds increase slightly, reflecting a bit more solar radiation
back into space. There is so much about climate that scientists DON’T know
today. Their models are so very primitive, they can’t even predict past
(i.e., PROVEN / KNOWN) climate changes.
I feel confident that in 20 years, we will be astounded that we used to fret
about Manbearpig – just as today, we are astounded by all the scientists in
the 1970s who sounded the alarm that climate was changing – in the direction
of a new Ice Age!
I still can’t understand why leftists don’t practice what they preach. Drink water out of streams, wash your laundry by hand, ride a horse or walk instead of using a motor vehicles, poop in an outhouse, use candles not electricity, don’t eat meat…fish for your meals, or shop organic, don’t mow your lawns use a scythe after its a cpl feet long etc. Don’t be like your heros…Edwards of the 20,000 sq foot mansion, Gore of the limos and private jets and $35,000 elec bills, Pelosi of the super jet, Kerry of the family SUV’s, Streisand of the household temperatures below 62 degrees in all 5 of her mansions whether she’s home or not.
Come on, if every leftist walked the walk, problem” solved.
Encourage people to see the video “The Great Global Warming Swindle”.
Here is an easy URL to remember to see the program. Pass it along to friends and family.
http://gorelied.notlong.com
nothing you say changes the facts gene. 6 billion on the ground and rising.
poop in an outhouse,
Luxury. Obviously, you’ve never been on a “johnny detail”. I will say this though, I’ve never had to use a corn cob, although I think G.I. TP is probably close enough.
On another note:
I STILL want to know who’s funding the Global BS religion. Those liberal “scientists” (too bad Scientologist is already taken) aren’t working for free or just to improve the world.
Oh and why is it they keep pushing back our ultimate demise? We were supposed to have been toast 2-3 times over by now. Why won’t they be as specific as they used to be?
Well that’s easy. You are. I am. Thank you Government.
TGC, “Scientologist” is already taken, yes – but you can try “scientician”. (From Troy McClure on The Simpsons.)
#66:
By mass, yes but not by effect. There is far more N2 and O2 in the atmosphere than either water vapor or CO2 or any other gas but their contribution to the greenhouse effect is negligible. Why that is can be a class assignment.
Not at all. Methane is a minor although potent contributor. CO2 is the next largest contributor after atmospheric water.
Not all feedback mechanisms need be “negative”; there can be “positive” ones as well e.g ice-albedo. Positive feedback will increase the effect of a change in the parameter and under the right circumstances cause a runaway effect.
Or the higher temperature will lead to more evaporation and higher water vapor hence enhanced greenhouse effect.
We know enough that the vast majority of scientists doing research in the area have concluded that human contribution to climate change is highly problematic. BTW, the effect of the minute variations in solar radiation apparently can’t explain the warming we’re seeing. Also, if you want to cut through a lot of the BS on this subject, RealClimate is a great place to start.
Careful. If you don’t agree with Ian, he’ll likely threaten to kill you.
Congratulations, Ian. You can no longer claim that global BS is science.
#74:
No, I’m really quite harmless. Why, I “wouldn’t even hurt a fly!”
interesting that this information selectively removes other information: temperatures from November through January reflect higher temperatures that in the same period notied in feb. In addition, overall, the period of cold weather for winter is shorter than it has been previouly, especially in the eastern half of the continental united states (not even taking into account other parts of the northern hemisphere.
Sorry, but global warming is a long term issue and if hadn’t been politicized, then maybe we would be taking it seriously. of course, I’m sure if big business can find a way to make a profit off of acknowledging that it actually exists, then maybe conservatives will change their tune.
#74
I can hear it now, “It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.”
Global warming is a faggot.
***I’m sure if big business can find a way to make a profit off of acknowledging that it actually exists, then maybe conservatives will change their tune.***
“Big business” isn’t that stupid – unless it’s being run (into the ground) by a liberal. And without “big business” you would be living like “Little House On The Prairie”, moron. It’s called PROGRESS. Move to some 3rd world craphole and see how that works for ya.
Sean, you doing an Ann Coulter impersonation??? 😉
#80 – Can’t be, LNC. He’s not blonde and leggy enough. Or able to form complete sentences, for that matter. 😉
Regards,
Peter H.
Manbearpig speaks… saying “I’m a fraud”. Courtesy of BBC Channel 4. See the video here: http://powerlineblog.com/archives/017028.php