Comments on: “Homophobia” here, “Homophobia” there, “Homophobia” Every, Everywhere! http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/ The Internet home for American gay conservatives. Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:35:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: GayPatriot » On “Homophobia” & Gay Marriage Debate http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-196100 GayPatriot » On “Homophobia” & Gay Marriage Debate Wed, 28 May 2008 18:53:52 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-196100 [...] March, I pointed out why I don’t use the word, “homophobia,” a term which many gay people and even [...] [...] March, I pointed out why I don’t use the word, “homophobia,” a term which many gay people and even [...]

]]> By: Academy Blog http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-29005 Academy Blog Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:04:41 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-29005 <strong>Academy...</strong> Gaypatriot has a good review on academy ...... Academy…

Gaypatriot has a good review on academy ……

]]> By: Peter Hughes http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-29002 Peter Hughes Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:50:43 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-29002 Uh, Willy, Vince doesn't delete comments because this is not his blog. If you wish to know about those things, try asking Bruce or Dan, the co-bloggers on this site. (Shaking head) A mind is a terrible thing to waste, eh Willy Wonka? Does that make you a Wonkette? Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-) Regards, Peter H. Uh, Willy, Vince doesn’t delete comments because this is not his blog. If you wish to know about those things, try asking Bruce or Dan, the co-bloggers on this site.

(Shaking head) A mind is a terrible thing to waste, eh Willy Wonka?

Does that make you a Wonkette?

Sorry, couldn’t resist. ;-)
Regards,
Peter H.

]]> By: Willy http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-29004 Willy Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:38:28 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-29004 Vince, will you delete this comment because you don't like it, too? Funny how a Cabinette like you runs from words he doesn't approve of. You really are caricaturing yourself. Vince, will you delete this comment because you don’t like it, too? Funny how a Cabinette like you runs from words he doesn’t approve of. You really are caricaturing yourself.

]]> By: Vince P http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-29001 Vince P Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:10:25 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-29001 My objection with "homophobic" is that it's a term impossible to counter. It means , "fear of homos". Do you think the Army guy is afraid of homos? I really doubt that. Instead he's acting upon his convinctions as a Christian. Is Christianity afraid of homos? no. The Bible expresses God's disapproval of basically anything other than hetero marrage. Its not malice that compells the statement but instead obediance to God. Now how does a term like "homophobic" address that? It doesn't. instead it adds to the polarization of the discussion by introducing an even more extreme term than immoral. It's designed to shut off debate, not engage in one. That's why I object to it. I dont object to objecting to the army guy, but to me, it takes more than rhetorical tactic to do it right,. My objection with “homophobic” is that it’s a term impossible to counter. It means , “fear of homos”.

Do you think the Army guy is afraid of homos? I really doubt that. Instead he’s acting upon his convinctions as a Christian. Is Christianity afraid of homos? no.

The Bible expresses God’s disapproval of basically anything other than hetero marrage.

Its not malice that compells the statement but instead obediance to God.

Now how does a term like “homophobic” address that? It doesn’t. instead it adds to the polarization of the discussion by introducing an even more extreme term than immoral. It’s designed to shut off debate, not engage in one.

That’s why I object to it.

I dont object to objecting to the army guy, but to me, it takes more than rhetorical tactic to do it right,.

]]> By: Pat http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28981 Pat Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:56:51 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28981 Vince, I disagree. I do agree with you that if a person wants to spew anti-gay venom, they are free to do so. But anyone is also free to call that person homophobic. Free speech works all sorts of ways. In fact, free speech allows anyone to say that anti-gay people shouldn't be allowed to speak. And it allows people to say that the "[w]ords like'homophobia' have no place in society," like you just wrote, even though I believe it curtails free speech. Vince, I disagree. I do agree with you that if a person wants to spew anti-gay venom, they are free to do so. But anyone is also free to call that person homophobic. Free speech works all sorts of ways. In fact, free speech allows anyone to say that anti-gay people shouldn’t be allowed to speak. And it allows people to say that the “[w]ords like’homophobia’ have no place in society,” like you just wrote, even though I believe it curtails free speech.

]]> By: Vince P http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-29000 Vince P Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:16:17 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-29000 I'm not that concerned about it. I’m not that concerned about it.

]]> By: Willy http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28999 Willy Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:28:15 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28999 Vince, are you <i>trying</i> to be a self-parody or did that happen by mistake? Vince, are you trying to be a self-parody or did that happen by mistake?

]]> By: Vince P http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28998 Vince P Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:15:51 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28998 I'm sick of busybodies who go around monitoring the speech of other people. Words like "homophobia" have no place in a free society. I’m sick of busybodies who go around monitoring the speech of other people. Words like “homophobia” have no place in a free society.

]]> By: Willy http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28997 Willy Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:12:39 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28997 What's your point? Is it that homophobia doesn't exist, and therefore anyone who uses the term is making an invalid complaint? What’s your point? Is it that homophobia doesn’t exist, and therefore anyone who uses the term is making an invalid complaint?

]]> By: Pat http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28996 Pat Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:31:38 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28996 Dan, I'm not a big lover of words as you are, so it doesn't matter that the term homophobia is used the way it's intended to be used. No matter what you call it, there is always the danger of overusing it, and have it lose it's intended meaning. Regarding Brokeback Mountain/Crash, I suspect it was because of homophobia that Crash won, but there is no way to prove it. Although I am sure that most of the Academy members who voted for Crash thought it was a better movie, I am also sure there are members who did not vote for it simply out of homophobia. Depending on how close the vote was, homophobia could very well have been a factor. As for my personal opinion, I haven't seen Crash yet. Dan, I’m not a big lover of words as you are, so it doesn’t matter that the term homophobia is used the way it’s intended to be used. No matter what you call it, there is always the danger of overusing it, and have it lose it’s intended meaning.

Regarding Brokeback Mountain/Crash, I suspect it was because of homophobia that Crash won, but there is no way to prove it. Although I am sure that most of the Academy members who voted for Crash thought it was a better movie, I am also sure there are members who did not vote for it simply out of homophobia. Depending on how close the vote was, homophobia could very well have been a factor.

As for my personal opinion, I haven’t seen Crash yet.

]]> By: Peter Hughes http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-29003 Peter Hughes Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:00:01 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-29003 No thank you, I gave up meat for Lent. I appreciate the thought anyway. Regards, Peter H. No thank you, I gave up meat for Lent. I appreciate the thought anyway.

Regards,
Peter H.

]]> By: markie http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28995 markie Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:38:19 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28995 rant on pattymelt rant on pattymelt

]]> By: Peter Hughes http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28980 Peter Hughes Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:26:21 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28980 Libtrolls are even funnier when they sputter. Just my observation. Regards, Peter H. Libtrolls are even funnier when they sputter. Just my observation.

Regards,
Peter H.

]]> By: markie http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28993 markie Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:54:27 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28993 you're, doncha know. you’re, doncha know.

]]> By: markie http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28994 markie Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:53:41 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28994 you can censor all you want. doesn't change the fact that your glad to be relegated to second class citizenship. you can censor all you want. doesn’t change the fact that your glad to be relegated to second class citizenship.

]]> By: Peter Hughes http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28992 Peter Hughes Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:08:12 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28992 #4 - Lower-case-sean is wrong again. (What else is new?) Ann Coulter has already apologized to the gay community for offending us by likening us to someone like John Edwards. And as a viable representative of such a community, I have accepted her apology on our behalves. Get over it. Regards, Peter H. #4 - Lower-case-sean is wrong again. (What else is new?)

Ann Coulter has already apologized to the gay community for offending us by likening us to someone like John Edwards. And as a viable representative of such a community, I have accepted her apology on our behalves.

Get over it.

Regards,
Peter H.

]]> By: Peter Hughes http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28991 Peter Hughes Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:06:57 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28991 #9 - No, you're not a terrorist. Technically, you are a "useful idiot." Regards, Peter H. #9 - No, you’re not a terrorist. Technically, you are a “useful idiot.”

Regards,
Peter H.

]]> By: markie http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28990 markie Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:43:43 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28990 oh my, i must be a terrorist. rotf oh my, i must be a terrorist. rotf

]]> By: Vince P http://www.gaypatriot.net/2007/03/12/homophobia-here-homophobia-there-homophobia-every-everywhere/#comment-28989 Vince P Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:06:56 +0000 http://www.gaypatriot.net/?p=978#comment-28989 WHY DEMOCRATS HATE PATRIOTISM by Evan Sayet http://www.modernconservative.com/process.php?month=01&p=forums_metablog&year=2006 Karl Rove recently said (yet again) that the Democrats are not unpatriotic. It's a brilliant political move akin to the President's repeated claims that Islam is a religion of peace. No one really believes either claim, making the statements win-win for the Republican politicians. By saying Islam is a religion of peace the President shows his Christian charity in perfect contradiction to the on-going hatefest that is the Arab/Moslem world just as the Republicans, by saying that the Democrats aren't unpatriotic, show the good guys to be bending over backwards to be civil even as nothing but hateful slanders are offered against America and Americans from today's left. But I am not a Christian or a politician and I'm not feeling any more charitable towards the Democrats than I do towards Islamic fascists so I'll speak the truth: Democrats are not only not patriotic, they despise and fear anyone who is. The reason for this is simple: Modern Liberalism -- the dominant ideology of today's Democrat party -- is wedded to the childish philosophy of "multiculturalism." Multiculturalism is the fantasy that all cultures are equally good and equally right. This is why the Democrat believes that the United Nations and not the United States should decide what is best for America. It is why the Democrats believe we should "celebrate diversity," as if all differences -- say freedom of religion and massacring all infidels -- are equally worthy of celebration. Since the multiculturalist sees nothing special about America, patriotism is nothing other than a form of bigotry. To the Democrat, one loves America not for the freedoms and opportunities it affords its citizens, nor for the goodness of our people and institutions, but rather only because we were born here. After all, don’t people who were born in North Korea love North Korea? Since freedom is of no special value to the Democrat (this is why Democrat heroes like Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore can argue with a straight face that fascist terrorists seeking to create a Taliban-like Caliphate around the world are "freedom fighters") Americans’ love of freedom is nothing more than a mindless "hooray for our side" and their hatred of oppression is but mere xenophobia. Worst of all American patriots are those so blindly led by their mindless love of freedom as to actually be willing to fight and kill (or even die) for it. Imagine, if you will, something utterly undistinguished -- a piece of chewing gum, for example. Now imagine someone cherishing that gum. Now imagine someone who so cherishes that piece of gum he's willing to fight, kill or even die to protect it. And now imagine that person well trained, well fed and well armed. Pretty scary stuff. Well, that's exactly how the Democrat sees the American soldier. Insane, bigoted and well-armed. And all for something -- freedom -- that, to the Democrat, is of no more value than a piece of chewed up gum. No wonder they so hate and fear the patriot. WHY DEMOCRATS HATE PATRIOTISM
by Evan Sayet

http://www.modernconservative.com/process.php?month=01&p=forums_metablog&year=2006

Karl Rove recently said (yet again) that the Democrats are not unpatriotic. It’s a brilliant political move akin to the President’s repeated claims that Islam is a religion of peace. No one really believes either claim, making the statements win-win for the Republican politicians.

By saying Islam is a religion of peace the President shows his Christian charity in perfect contradiction to the on-going hatefest that is the Arab/Moslem world just as the Republicans, by saying that the Democrats aren’t unpatriotic, show the good guys to be bending over backwards to be civil even as nothing but hateful slanders are offered against America and Americans from today’s left.

But I am not a Christian or a politician and I’m not feeling any more charitable towards the Democrats than I do towards Islamic fascists so I’ll speak the truth: Democrats are not only not patriotic, they despise and fear anyone who is.

The reason for this is simple: Modern Liberalism — the dominant ideology of today’s Democrat party — is wedded to the childish philosophy of “multiculturalism.” Multiculturalism is the fantasy that all cultures are equally good and equally right. This is why the Democrat believes that the United Nations and not the United States should decide what is best for America. It is why the Democrats believe we should “celebrate diversity,” as if all differences — say freedom of religion and massacring all infidels — are equally worthy of celebration.

Since the multiculturalist sees nothing special about America, patriotism is nothing other than a form of bigotry. To the Democrat, one loves America not for the freedoms and opportunities it affords its citizens, nor for the goodness of our people and institutions, but rather only because we were born here. After all, don’t people who were born in North Korea love North Korea?

Since freedom is of no special value to the Democrat (this is why Democrat heroes like Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore can argue with a straight face that fascist terrorists seeking to create a Taliban-like Caliphate around the world are “freedom fighters”) Americans’ love of freedom is nothing more than a mindless “hooray for our side” and their hatred of oppression is but mere xenophobia.

Worst of all American patriots are those so blindly led by their mindless love of freedom as to actually be willing to fight and kill (or even die) for it. Imagine, if you will, something utterly undistinguished — a piece of chewing gum, for example. Now imagine someone cherishing that gum. Now imagine someone who so cherishes that piece of gum he’s willing to fight, kill or even die to protect it. And now imagine that person well trained, well fed and well armed. Pretty scary stuff.

Well, that’s exactly how the Democrat sees the American soldier. Insane, bigoted and well-armed. And all for something — freedom — that, to the Democrat, is of no more value than a piece of chewed up gum. No wonder they so hate and fear the patriot.

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