A GP reader sent me this and I asked if I could reprint. It is a perfect example of how liberals preach and preach and preach the Gospel of Tolerance… but are the very last to actually practice it.
My two high-school age sons performed with their band at a youth group meeting at a Catholic church near where we live. Some kids from their high school were there to see them perform, including two girls they know, one of whom is an out lesbian and the other a self-proclaimed Satanist. What struck my sons is how disrespectful the girls were toward the Catholic church while they were there, using foul language, talking during the prayers, and even being disrespectful to one of my boys’ band-mates when he gave a religious ‘witness,’ saying ‘That’s what we hate about church people, always talking about how great their (f’ing) religion is.”
My sons, to their credit, thought it was just bad manners to disrespect people when you were in ‘their house.’ But they also remarked that these same girls were always complaining (actually, they used the b-word) about how intolerant and small-minded people at their high school were for not “accepting” them. As one son put it, “How can people who are always (complaining) about other people’s intolerance then go and be intolerant of other people’s religion?”
If teenagers get it, why can’t the so-called adults of the flaming left?
Maybe I should mention, this church’s chapel was destroyed by an arson fire last year.
Disgusting, but typical behavior from The American Liberals these days.
-Bruce (GayPatriot)
I wonder, how ‘respectful’ is James Dobson towards gays? Is the Pope welcoming gays with open arms and acceptance? Tell me how many Christian leaders praise Islam and Muslims?
Many in the church should look in the mirror before castigating others for ‘intolerance’.
Also, it pretty offensive to imply that the arsonist was a ‘lefty’. Where is the proof?
Um…. Elias… no one said the arsonist was a lefty except YOU. Do you know something we don’t?
And with regard to your ludicrous examples… maybe if the Left would surprise those of faith with a respectful attitude, there would be a dialogue. But all those with faith see is angry, rock-throwing bile from the Liberals in America these days.
Elias shows the problem of leftists quite clearly.
1) They claim to believe in tolerance, but won’t practice it — and then blame the victim of their intolerance for their own hypocrisy.
2) They label any disagreement with them as “intolerance”, and therefore use it to justify their intolerance towards those who dare to disagree.
3) The equate affirmation with respect and then label lack of affirmation as intolerance — and use that as the basis to show actual disrespect and intolerance towards those who refuse to affirm the liberal position.
Um, and there’s no proof that this lesbian and the other one are part of the “American Left” or are liberals. For all any of you know, they support the war in Iraq and Bush’s tax cuts. By this example I could tie Fred Phelps to the American Right. I mean, two teenage girls act like fools in a Catholic Church? Someone get Dennis Kucinich on the phone! I want an explanation! Hehe.
Elais,
The definition of any philosophy or religion is in itself exclusionary, i.e. as Christianity is defined, that which is not Christian is also defined. Merely because James Dobson does not agree with homosexuality (I assume — I haven’t spoken with him about it) does not mean he would go to the local GLAAD meeting and curse them, as did the two women in Bruce’s example when they attended the church concert (to which I doubt anyone dragged them). Likewise, there are likely many Christian leaders who praise the good works of Muslims and others and vice-versa — I think the story of the Good Samaritan is highly relevant and it’s one we would all do well to remember.
Bruce’s post deals with tolerance, yet you seem to be confusing tolerance with acceptance and a lack of acceptance with intolerance. I tolerate your liberalism, but I don’t accept it.
Also, the letter does imply that the arson is somehow associated with this incident or with liberals. Why else does the writer include it? “Maybe I should mention” they write. That’s setting up the implication.
That said, I agree these girls are out of control, and they’re behavior is inappropriate. But that doesn’t make them lefties.
Testing…
god never was. never will be. always remains the same: non-exixtant.
#1 James Dobson and the Pope are probably not in the houses of the people they disagree with. So, yes, it was in very bad taste for the girls to behave that way. Would you want someone disrespecting you in your house?
how about an original citation???
Markie – how about an original thought??
Regards,
Peter H.
By this example I could tie Fred Phelps to the American Right.
Given that he’s a self-proclaimed Democrat, I think you’d really have to stretch.
Context, people. Christian-bashing, and especially Catholic-bashing, is a mark of hipness on the cultural and political left. Remember the Christian-bashing sluts John Edwards hired as bloggers? Remember Dogma? Christians and Catholics are routinely ridiculed and villainized in popular culture to a degree that would be unacceptable if the subject were gays and lesbians. (Remember what happened to Ann Coulter?) Bashing Christianity is not only accepted on the left, you’re not one of the cool kids if you don’t bash.
Teenagers pick up on the cues of the broader culture. These girls were only reacting to Catholicism the way popular culture told them they should. Meanwhile, they demanded absolute acceptance of their lifestyles and identities… just as the popular culture told them they should.
another made up story, eh?
GPW in message 2 shows how the “right” is intolerant as well. The examples given were NOT ludicrous and were an allegory of the “right’s” pathetic positions.
Gee, teenage girls being obnoxious and rude! Clearly the Bad Gays put them up to it.
How this post could somehow drag the Pope, Dobson and Fred Phelps into the discussion is laughable. The situation is interesting to note, but it’s hardly an example of anything other than bad parenting. What are the chances they were raised in an ‘intolerant & lefty’ gay household?
Teenagers were rude?!?!?! My God!! This would have never happened if the Reps controlled the congress!!!!!
Call the right wing propaganda machine! I expect this story to be on Hugh Hewitt in a few days, then a year lady, TNR will do a piece on this…
Is it no surprise the Left cares not a bit about civil society… the need to respect one another. The Left creates these bitter acrominies. The fact that I have write yet another negative and arugementive post is because of them
None of them have class. not one. I am sick of having to fight with these people every day , endlessly.
Why didn’t these 2 girls just leave? There are bad apples in every bunch. James Dobson, militant & juvenile people like these bozos, etc. As far as painting ALL liberals as Christian-bashers, well that’s just bull-cucky. That’s why I’m always careful to single out certain people when criticizing the religious right & don’t say ALL Christians are gay-bashers. Respect is a 2-way street.
I wonder, how ‘respectful’ is James Dobson towards gays?
What does James Dobson have to do with a teenage band playing songs in their church and sharing aspects of their faith? This is the “but mom he did it first” excuse.
Not to mention, the band wasn’t playing at a public event. They weren’t out on a street corner. They weren’t even at a school or similar place. They were in a church (I am assuming their own church). Not sure that gives anyone the right to come into their place, and be rude and disrespectful.
You don’t have to agree with the beliefs, but manners, courtesy and respect should be pretty much a given in this situation.
Is the Pope welcoming gays with open arms and acceptance?
What exactly does the Pope have to do with this story? The Pope wasn’t in the band. If the girls have issues with the Pope, they by all means should write him a letter and tell him what issues they have. But I don’t think rudeness towards a group of young teens in their church is defensible on this ground.
Tell me how many Christian leaders praise Islam and Muslims?
Probably about as many Muslim leaders praise Christianity.
Honestly there are some huge doctrinal differences between the two religions, they probably aren’t going to find much about either to praise-they doctrinally aren’t the same thing.
Check out this example of the absolute fraud that is the UN Human Rights whatever.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24924&only&rss
“Wow. This is a must see clip from March 23, 2007, in which UN Watch director Hillel Neuer really unloads on the blatantly corrupt UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva—and then is denounced by furious council president Luis Alfonso De Alba, who threatens to remove Neuer’s statements from the record.
The United Nations at work”
How this post could somehow drag the Pope, Dobson and Fred Phelps into the discussion is laughable.
It’s called desperation. The libtards can’t defend it so they have to grasp at any straws they can think of.
“But, but, but X did this and Y did that, so these girls should be excused from any responsibility for their actions!”
There’s ALWAYS an excuse for liberal’s to shirk responsibility, no matter how asinine.
What else to expect from people with the mentality of toddlers?
I think–for sure, and certain, and with no doubt–that….are you ready?….lesbian=arsonist. If not in deed, then metaphorically.
Rudeness v. millions and millions of dollars poured into anti-gay politics and legislative advocacy? The rudeness is certainly the sure sign of intolerance. The money? That’s from good Catholics in need of tolerance.
How about sean=drooling lunatic?
Regards,
Peter H.
just me,
You are absolutely right. Thank you for your calm, thoughtful post.
Peter H,
I don’t consider myself a troll. I consider myself to be that crack in the rail line that derails the empty conservative train of thought. Thoughts like ‘libtards’, ‘GayLeftBorg’.
Since when do Republicans take responsibility for their actions? They always attempt to deflect it onto Democrats.
Vince P,
I seem to remember the railing against ‘Polictical Correctness’. Wasn’t that supposedly an attempt in civility primarily by Democrats/Liberals? Exactly how civil are you? How do you raise the tone of civility on this blog? Can you honestly answer that question without speaking evil of Liberals?
Vince P
How do you promote civility when you rail about about the left? Hwo do you practice civility on this board and elsewhere? Or is not hurling insults is what you consider being civil?
If everyone wants civility, but no one wants to practice it, what’s the point?
just me
Thank you for your post. I totally agree with what you said.
Peter H
I consider myself that little crack in the rail line that derails the empty conservative train of thought.