Every now again, I come across a story which so astounds me, I’m speechless. And for those who know me well, it takes some doing to put me at a loss for words. But, this morning, when my friend Rick Sincere e-mailed me a link to his latest post, I was dumbfounded, in both the denotative and etymological sense of the word.
But, then again, given that it was the actions of gay left bloggers (and those who comment to their blogs — and sometimes even to this one) that rendered me speechless, perhaps I should have been less astounded, given their past actions and statements.
You see, these bloggers have worked themselves into a lather because an eighteen year-old conservative activist who works for the doomed presidential campaign of Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo happens to be gay. And they have determined not merely to out the teenager, but also to level the most vile insults on him.
While this story rendered me speechless (and perhaps accounted for my “brain cloud” during the better part of the day), it did spur Rick and the ever adorable Robbie to write some pretty good posts on the topic. Robbie notes how:
The gay blogosphere reacted with disdain, hatred, vitriol, and hundreds of vicious, borderline unhinged comments. From Dan Savage to Signorile to Joe.My.God, gays poured scorn, bile, and rage on an eighteen year-old fellow traveler. . . .
At what point does basic humanity take a back seat to political identity? While the justification of this mass out-pouring of hatred is (as ever) “the hypocrisy”, it is difficult not to note the deep and deeply unsettling hypocrisy laid bare in these putative guardians of the gay community.
In a prior post, Robbie had asked:
Do my fellow gays really believe this makes us look at all good? That picking on a teenager with the kind of hatred and venom of Signorile and his followers is the path to acceptance and admiration?
Meanwhile, Rick wonders:
You would think that none of these people had never gone through the anxious, raucous, frightening, unpredictable process of coming out. . . . It wasn’t that long ago that most of us — liberal and conservative alike — were facing the daunting prospect of inching out of the closet. . . .
Have any of these gloaters thought about the personal consequences for Tyler Whitney, the consequences that any one of us might have faced had we come out to the wrong person or at the wrong time? How will it affect his relationship with his parents, his grandparents — or even, perhaps, with his boyfriend (if he has one)? Could he be disowned, disinherited, sent to an ex-gay treatment facility where he would be scarred by psychotherapeutic quacks?
Rick also records some of the insults leveled on the teenager. Some of their vile and hateful remarks make some of the comments on this blog seem pale in comparison. Why do these people hate so? Why must they so denigrate a very young man with political views different from their own?
I can’t really improve on what Robbie and Rick have to say, so just recommend you read their posts (here, here and here), but will conclude this post by asking: What does this accomplish?. It seems that all these people are just looking for more means to express their hatred of Republicans. Or it is that they simply refuse to understand that a gay young man, a teenager, could have different political opinions than they? Or are they acting out some other kind of rage?
I don’t really know why they’re doing what they’re doing, so I’ll just go back to my primary question and ask again (in astonishment, curiosity and befuddlement) — What does it accomplish to out this young man? What does it accomplish?
My thoughts on the word “tolerance”: Wherever George Orwell is now, he’s looking down at us and saying “See, I told you so!”
And so is P.T. Barnum.
The posting of his address and phone number was absolutely wrong, but that’s all there’s wrong about it, period. Quite frankly, the kid begged to be outed after hanging around people like Kyle Bristow, who admitted he’d murder his son if he turned out gay, and the YAF. Also waving a flag advocating that gays should return back to the closet is hardly something most here have done when they were uncertain about their sexuality and future. Now that he’s been outed, he has a chance to redeem himself, and judging by his current actions, he’s on the right path. I don’t hold a grudge on him nor should anyone now, since he’s distancing from these negative influences. Still he might not have had a choice, since the YAF probably kicked him out when the news came out.
I think the point is that he was actively working for groups that work to deny rights to gay people. Gay people can certainly be against gay marriage, but for a gay person to be working with someone who says that he will kill a gay son, well, he may have deserved this outing.
Gay people can certainly disagree on matters of policy and not be thought of as “traitors,” but there is a certain point where supporting gay bashers is a little bit sick
I agree with the previous poster in that this kid has a chance to redeem himself. He can certainly grow up to be a proud gay conservative and I think as such, he would do a lot more for the conservative movement and gay conservatives than he would as a closeted gay guy who keeps company with the most virulent gay bashers.
I wish him the best.
“What does it accomplish to out this young man? What does it accomplish?”
Not one damn thing, Dan. Not one damn thing.
Regards,
Peter H.
He was actually “outed” about a month ago when he started telling his friends. Whitney was coming to terms with his sexuality and instead of giving the young man a chance to do this, the left spat upon him ignoring the fact that many of them once were right exactly where he is now. It was a despicable thing they did and cowardly act.
Peter Hughes:
Not one damn thing, Dan. Not one damn thing.
Nonsense, it gives Whitney a chance to be honest at life and a valuable life lesson. Hopefully he can steer minds now away from antigay bullshit.
Well, I’d say he was a wee bit more than just a “gay Republican.” Unless you’re going to claim that all gay Republicans work for and promote organizations engaged in anti-gay bigotry.
Also, as I understand it, he was already in the process of coming out. He had already told a number of people. Does anyone know what is the maximum number of people you can come out to and still be “in the closet?”
Now, as I’ve already said, I’d cut the guy some slack and wish him well with the rest of his life. But that’s because I’m a bleeding heart liberal 😉
Why would he even want to after how he has been treated by the “gay community”? This wasn’t about “life lessons” but instead was asinine vitriol that is revolting to most people who see it.
So would many of us here too, but that’s because either it’s good mitzvah or simple Christian charity neither of which requires one to check their brains at the door by embracing liberalism. 😉
John, how many were once antigay banner wavers and politically committed to antigay politicians? Ever since he got into politics and took a public role, he made himself fair game. If he were a leftist, it wouldn’t matter. Besides, the YAF is more in league with blackshirts than with fiscal conservatives.
#8 John
Why? Because it’s because about his true self, not the gay “community” which you rightfully put under quotes. As for the asinine vitriol, I think the gay “community” is already passed that since he’s now engaged in Pride celebrations for this summer. I wish him a happy Pride.
Quite a few actually. You are speaking about matters from BEFORE he came out. He just came out to his friends. Did you or any of the other shrill princesses who have the unmitigated gall to claim to speak for me give this young man time to finish his coming to terms with his sexuality? No. Instead of helping him along his difficult journey ya’ll layed into him like he’s a worthless sack of shit. If he were of a more sensitive nature and the pressure from all drove him to take his life, as far as I’m concerned his blood would be on your hands and that of the others who’ve done this. I am offended and outraged by what Whitney was subjected to and frankly ashamed of the “gay community” because of this.
Really, John, do you think Xeno and Ian CARE?
I mean, Xeno said the only thing wrong with what was done was that his name, address, and phone number — and, for good measure, the names, address, and phone numbers of his parents — were published and gays were encouraged to call and harass them.
Xeno said nothing about this gem that I cited, for example:
You have to nip these people in the bud. Today he’s fronting for YAF, tomorrow he’ll be the Roy Cohn of the 21st Century. To me, people like him are no better than a Black person passing for white and joining the Ku Klux Klan. (I’m not gay but I am Black and that’s how I see it.) When someone is working against the rights of people just like him (or her — Mary Cheney springs to mind, as do Clarence Thomas and Kenneth Blackwell), he needs to be stopped dead in his tracks.
Or this:
My heart bleeds, but not for the likes of him. Make him bleed. Make them all bleed. If you aren’t up to it. Don’t watch, or stay out of politics. This is not a polite and civil endeavor.
Now remember, GayPatriot was targeted by HRC, Mike Rogers, LCR, and their affiliated leftists for simply publishing Mike Rogers’s picture, calling him a terrorist, and asking if someone would “do something” about him.
But none of these folks have anything to say when people publish their names, home addresses, and phone numbers, openly encourage everyone to harass them, and talk about stopping someone dead, or making them bleed.
I mean, for heaven’s sake, Pam Spaulding is even allowing death threats to be posted on her blog — until three weeks later, when her being publicly humiliated by having them exposed makes them vanish. Then she whines and cries that people called her employer and let them know what she was doing.
BTW, Tyler wasn’t outed. He came out to his friends and family almost two months ago. Then a Republican blog called ‘Michigan Conservative Dossier’ wrote about it (the webmaster is his friend Sylvester) .Isn’t it interesting that Tyler Whitney is in the absolute perfect position to answer the calling of our armed forces in this time of critical need – “the military campaign of this generation”. He was 100% eligible, and suddenly he decided that announcing his lifestyle was a more important priority than fighting for the freedoms he takes for granted. Why would someone like Tyler value his sexual proclivity so much that he intentionally ruins his military status and cuts and runs from military service.
I think the actions of the people that outted and then insulted him have more to do with the fact that they are liberals rather than them being gay.
And I would agree with you on that, Rico.
But the problem is that these liberal sociopaths have figured out that they can use the “We’re gay, we can’t help ourselves” excuse to buy a small sliver of a shadow of a fragment of justification for their actions among people like Nancy Pelosi.
Hence, we are stuck with it — as well as most of America thinking that all gays are shrieking liberals who get some kind of orgasmic pleasure out of threatening eighteen-year-olds and their parents because they hold the wrong political beliefs.
To those who accuse this young man of hypocrisy, I remind you of his age — 18. Would a guy at such a young age have the chance to wrestle with his situation?
As to what Xenos says in #6. Nonsense. He didn’t need be “outed” to have the chance to be honest at life. By coming out gradually to his friends, he could have found a support structure which would have given him that opportunity.
So Aaron, are we to assume that the reason you’re not fighting in Afghanistan — which is what you leftist and Democrat types claim to support — is because you chose to come out to make yourself ineligible for military service?
As to what Xenos says in #6. Nonsense. He didn’t need be “outed” to have the chance to be honest at life.
You could also add to that the irony of someone who posts completely anonymously talking about how having one’s identity revealed against their will is “honest” and necessary.
In fact, I think all supporters of outing should be required to provide their full identities and locations for publication on the Internets. After all, if Xeno believes doing so is “honest”, he shouldn’t have any trouble being honest himself.
Sorry,
When this little sniviling rat ran around the country shouting “Homo, back in the closet” he lost all right to privacy.
I dont give a damn what his politics were on immigration, the budget, the war in Iraq, etc. But when he devoted his life and energy to denying equal rights to everyone but himself the the rest of his closeted right-wing buddies, Screw him.
[This comment just shows the hate and bitterness of the gay left. Devoting his life and energy? Um, he’s 18 years. 18. Perhaps, if he were considerably older — and wiser — you might have a point. But, given his youth, all this comment shows is the writer’s absence of compassion. But, I guess this liberal concern for the suffering of certain people goes out the window if those people hold conservative political views. –Dan]
When is the gay right wing going to stand up and get some dignity?!?!?!?!? When are you finally going to tell these assholes that you deserve your basic Constitutional rights???
Xeno, Aaron, Ian, you make me sick, you are all high and mighty that this 18 year old deserves this brutal treatment because he betrayed the gay agenda.
And what does this wonderful loving supportive community do? Smear him, call him filthy names, wish death upon him. Why, because maybe he holds standards that are different than whining: I deserve rights!
Maybe Tylor recognizes that all those so called rights come with responsibilities. For that he is vilified, hated and reviled. You guys are tame compared to what is going on at other sites – but you all are despicable human beings. On your high horses about what this young kid owes you.
He owes you nothing, and clearly after the way he has been treated by the leftie gays at large, I’m at the point of wishing upon them what they dared wish upon an innocent 18 year old.
I posted this on another blog, so I’ll reproduce it here:
I emphatically oppose the outing of others. I have seen first-hand the consequences of outing someone. In fact, I still bear scars on my body from having been forcefully yanked from the closet.
Some people claim that 18 is old enough to realize that one is gay. That may be so, but self-acceptance may still be a long way off. This is especially true if one was raised in a religious community where vitriolic anti-gay sentiment runs rampant.
How many of us know someone who has committed suicide because that person had a hard time accepting the gay part of his or her identity? I have known several. This sense of shame, this lack of self-acceptance, is a direct result of one’s upbringing, and sometimes it takes time to muster up the strength of character to reach that self-acceptance. This forced outing campaign deprives struggling homosexuals with the time to come to terms with oneself before being able to come out to others.
I view gays who out other gays for reason of an agenda, whatever agenda that may be, as cruel and spiteful hypocrites. It annoys me that gays can make such a vicious attack on something every single one of us has had to do. Coming out can be liberating, but it is also a very personal and sometimes extremely difficult thing for one to do, and must therefore be done on one’s own terms, not as part of some gay-on-gay vilification.
Forced outing implies that the outer is saying that there is something inherently wrong with being gay, and is trying to bring a sense of shame to the one being outted. They’re practically acting like school-yard bullies snickering to their friends, saying “Psst. He’s a fag; let’s go pick on him.” I have serious problems with this. Gays already have to deal with enough shame. Religious leaders like Phelps/Falwell/Robertson, etc. already do their damndest to make us feel ashamed and demeaned without us having to do likewise to ourselves.
Again, this was from BEFORE he came out to his friends. Did you or anyone else question him about this seeming inconsistency before pouncing on him? Ever think that perhaps he himself may have seen the inconsistency and that’s why he started coming out a few months later? No, none of you did that.
When are you going to stop thinking of conservatives as being all of like mind? What exactly do you think I myself have been doing on my own blog and the few times I’ve posted here at Gay Patriot? Just because we don’t go around spouting liberal platitudes or agree to the same methods of achieving those goals does not mean we are self-loathing. Finally, when are you going to reacquaint yourself with basic human dignity?
When is the gay right wing going to stand up and get some dignity?!?!?!?!? When are you finally going to tell these assholes that you deserve your basic Constitutional rights???
I am very amused.
Mainly because, as pointed out in the numerous links in those two posts, gay Democrats and liberals regularly support the FMA, state constitutional amendments, party platforms that pander to the religious, and arguing in court that gays should be denied parental rights.
Last I looked, they used to say those were all “constitutional rights” — until, of course, their Democrat pimps told them otherwise.
It makes bitter, miserable queens feel a tiny fraction better about themselves.
My question is this: Who the FCUK are you or the other snow queens to determine his “right path”? I seriously want to know.
The life lesson is that you should NEVER trust liberals and trust GAY liberals even less. They’ve screwed you once, don’t think they won’t do it again.
Did I miss something? I wasn’t aware we had volunary service.
Further, it’s just sickening watching these miserable, liberal piles of excrement defending this. There’s a lot of info out there on coming out and I don’t think a damn single bit of it advises to let others do it for you.
This has nothing to do with making his life better or the lives of the miserable, obviously sexually deprived, father lacking bitches. It’s about tearing others down to be just as angry and hate filled as they are. And we’re supposed to be “civil” with these worthless people?
Frankly Ian, Xeno, Aaron and all the other defenders, you disgust me and you are an embarassment.
Um, seems that the guy is just a homosexual, and an anti-gay one at that. You, of course, fail to mention that he was protesting against gay people and anti-gay. Unless you are finally, when saying someone is Republican, admitting that that includes anti-gay…
18. Call Foley!! He’ll help him out.
Sean in #26, let me repeat, something you noted in comment #27, he’s 18. And people that age, particularly those in difficult situations like this young man, have to sort out a variety of complex issues. You can’t hold him to the same standard to which you’d hold someone with more world experience.
Sorry I haven’t read all the comments, because I am leaving for work.
#14 BTW, Tyler wasn’t outed. He came out to his friends and family almost two months ago.
This isn’t the same.
Coming out to some family members and some friends isn’t the same as being outed in the local newspaper, and then nationally.
I don’t think anyone, especially a teenager, should be drug out of the closet, but what is even worse in this case is that the guy was drug out of the closet, and then beaten with the coathangers by the very people who are supposed to be supportive of him.
That hardly helps a person coming to terms with their sexuality, and where they should go.
I think this does far more harm than good-and it doesn’t make the gay left look very kind, considerate or compassionate-something they seem to demand of the right wing all the time.
Thanks for the link.
This topic has developed into a meaty conversation about some important issues. I hope it helps people reflect on their own views and values, especially with regard to “outing” as a political tactic.
#21:
Liar. I never said any such thing.
#22, Vic, excellent post.
I am against outing of anyone for any reason. I can almost understand it when it involves an extreme case, such as seasoned politicians or celebrities who spew anti-gay hate rhetoric and make it one of their lives’ goal to hurt gay people, be disrespectful of their privacy, etc., but then in their own private life engage in homosexual activity. I do not have sympathy for these people when they are outed. However, even in these cases, it does not help the gay community in any way. Besides, who would want these wretched creatures?
But the outing of Tyler Whitney was clearly wrong. He apparently did come out to some friends and family, but that was his choice. When someone else makes his sexual orientation public, that is outing, period. He is only 18 years old, and at this point, his views and actions are irrelevant and in no way justify the outing. And it sickens me that anyone in the gay community outs him and/or harasses and threatens violence against Mr. Whitney. I saw a video from a gay Democrat blogger who denounced the outing and harassment (hat tip? NDT). We need more left bloggers who denounce this behavior.
Tyler Whitney was not ‘outed’ at all. He’s been out to friends and family for over a month. He had just become eligible to assist our armed forces in the critical battle to free the middle east. Instead, like most homosexual Republicans, he chose to value his sexual preference more than to serve this great nation.
Tyler Whitney instead of enlisting in the ’cause of this generation’ chose to announce his gay bedroom lifestyle and thereby become instantly inelegible for military service. Why do GOP queers prioritize sexual behavior higher than service to the freedom and security of this nation? Shame on you Tyler Whitney.
“But the outing of Tyler Whitney was clearly wrong. He apparently did come out to some friends and family, but that was his choice. When someone else makes his sexual orientation public, that is outing, period.”
This is very wierd. Aren’t any of you even aware of the sequence of events? Tyler’s friend Sylvester was the one who published that he was joining other gay men at gay pride in DC. Sylvester runs the Conservative website “Michigan Conservative Dossier”. Why isn’t anyone demonizing him?
#14:
Of course, all the conservative pearl clutchers have ignored this significant detail. If they were truly honest about this, they would either take that blog to task or else admit that this guy was already effectively out. In case anyone is wondering, here’s what that conservative blog said:
Now it doesn’t take a math genius to put two and two together here. In fact, it’s clear that a lot of people must have known that Whitney was gay including all those gay conservatives and libertarians he was going to spend his weekend with. That friendly blogger must also have known or strongly suspected that Whitney was gay so he would never have written the piece if he thought Whitney might have been embarrassed by the disclosure. I strongly the blog post was actually approved by Whitney.
I will ask again: how many people can one come out to and how many public announcements of one meeting up with gay people for Gay Pride festivities can one make and still remain in the closet?
#32 – So in other words, Wonder Woman, you are blaming the victim for the ills that befell him.
Typical libtard canard.
Regards,
Peter H.
Ian, et. al. –
You can come up with all of the excuses you want for how you can condone this outing.
But what the Gay Left (and American Liberals in general) are increasingly forgetting about is …. “is it the right thing to do.”
What happened to common decency? Or did we leave that at the door during the Clinton Administration’s policy of personal destruction.
I hadn’t heard about this story until reading this post, but from personal experience I can tell you that this is a main reason that I do NOT self-identify with the destructive Gay Left in America.
Oh.. and PS – to those who continue to savage Tyler for his personal political views (something I thought was protected in America) have still not answered Dan’s fundamental question…
“What does outing Tyler accomplish?”
Considering Tyler´s age, the venom heaped upon him by the left, serves two purposes for them. First, he´s supposed to feel guilty for being a conservative Republican. Then after overcoming self loathing he´ll change his registration to Democrat. What a helluva way to make converts. They´re using the same tactics that Mohammed used in the seventh century to convert northern Africa and Middle East to Islam. Renounce Christianity or die! Maybe that is why the left is soft on the jihadists.
Massive Constitutional scholar in #33:
No, nitwit. I’ve always said I would cut the guy some slack as he’s only 18. I also wish him well and think the attacks on him are wrong. But I seriously question the claim that he was outed by the left.
BTW, your fantasies first about my “massive” endowment and now about me being a super hero strongly suggest you need to get laid or at least update your porn collection. Maybe you can see if there’s a video of Wonder Woman in leather cracking a whip!
#34:
Since it was a conservative blog that actually “outed” him, why aren’t you questioning them? I think it’s because you know the truth which is that Whitney in all likelihood tacitly approved the announcement of his DC Gay Pride activities by the conservative blog.
Ian has made some fair points. Anyone who has outed or harassed Tyler Whitney should be taken to task. And if any of these publications did so with Whitney’s permission, then fine, it’s not outing. If this is a red herring, we’ll find out soon enough.
But I don’t care how many people Whitney came out to. If these publications mentioned his sexual orientation without his permission, then he was outed, and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Oh, and to answer Dan’s question, I’ll do so in two parts.
On the positive side, nothing.
On the negative side, too much.
28: “He’s 18. And people that age, particularly those in difficult situations like this young man, have to sort out a variety of complex issues. You can’t hold him to the same standard to which you’d hold someone with more world experience.”
That’s strange. Conservatives are usually not so forgiving, for instance when a minor commits a crime. They have even been known to demand that adolescents as young as 11 be tried as adults.
Thank you, Pat.
#40 – “BTW, your fantasies first about my “massive” endowment and now about me being a super hero strongly suggest you need to get laid or at least update your porn collection. ”
Boy, talk about projecting. Let me set the record straight, Wonder Woman. I’ll do this slowly so you can understand:
1. I have never to my knowledge ever stated (much less “fantasized”) about your endowment, “massive” or otherwise. Hell, I don’t even know you – not that I would care to, anyway.
2. The reason I call you “Wonder Woman” is because you spin more often than Lynda Carter did in all her seasons of work on that great campy TV comedy. So don’t think of it as fame – think of it as notoriety instead. (The distinction between the two is blurred for libtards.)
3. Unlike you, I have a husband. And what he and I do is our business, not yours. And after seeing your vitriol and your half-baked excuses for your ilk, I can see why you are unattached.
Match, set, game. You lose. Back to Paradise Island on your invisible jet.
Regards,
Peter H.
#42: Pat, I can’t believe that the conservative blogger who first announced Whitney’s Gay Pride Weekend activities did so without his permission. Indeed, the blogger is apparently a friend of Whitney’s. It all makes sense as Whitney had been coming out for some months prior to the conservative blog’s announcement. I think it was his way of taking the final step “out” prior to his whooping it up with his gay friends at the DC Pride Weekend.
There is always an element on both sides of the spectrum that fall prey to groupthink, but it is a serious error to assume that all conservatives or even liberals agree completely amongst themselves on issues. There is forgiveness and there is justice. Tyler Whitney committed no crime and the treatment he has received doesn’t come anywhere near justice but instead makes those responsible just as vile and disgusting as those they criticize.
#45 – LOL. Even I had gotten it, Peter, and I’m often slow on such things. Ian is “Wonder Woman” because he spins so much. 🙂
43, Thomas, what John said. But also I would add that whether or not conservatives are hypocritical on this issue is beside the point.
#48 – No more calls, we have a winner on the phone! 😉
I’m thinking of calling either 401K or seantard “Drusilla” because that was the name of Diana’s younger sister (played to campy perfection by a then-unknown Debra Winger in the series).
Regards,
Peter H.
Xeno spluttered: “Still he might not have had a choice, since the YAF probably kicked him out when the news came out.”
I see you know nothing about the YAF.
Wow, ‘Between the Lines’ just released the whole letter exchange between Tyler and Heywood. This really stood out:
Tod Heywood – “First, this interview is not about your ‘personal life.’ I, and I suspect our readers, have no interest with whom you may or may not be engaging in sexual activity or what your sexual activity is. Instead we are interested in understanding how your sexual orientation, your identity, fits in with your conservative politics.”
YES YES YES!!! Journalists are finally getting it. Orientation is no more a private issue than height or eye color. Sexual proclivities and practices are actual intimate nude act, not the damn orientation itself. It would be like saying my marital status is a very private issue that is out of bounds.
Now I can’t get the Wonder Woman song outta’ my head…
Wonder Wuh-mann!
Wonder Woman
Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman.
All the world’s waiting for you,
and the power you possess.
In your satin tights,
Fighting for your rights
And the old Red, White and Blue.
Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman.
Now the world is ready for you,
and the wonders you can do.
Make a hawk a dove,
Stop a war with love,
Make a liar tell the truth.
Wonder Woman,
Get us out from under, Wonder Woman.
All our hopes are pinned on you.
And the magic that you do.
Stop a bullet cold,
Make the Axis fall,
Change their minds, and change the world.
Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman.
You’re a wonder, Wonder Woman.
Conservatives are usually not so forgiving, for instance when a minor commits a crime. They have even been known to demand that adolescents as young as 11 be tried as adults.
So gay leftists and Democrats like Thomas Horsville think it’s a crime to be eighteen, gay, and conservative.
And these sick, sick individuals whine and cry about how they need protection from “hate crimes” and why they need laws that prevent people from firing them for any reason because they’re glbt.
And I loved this one:
Instead we are interested in understanding how your sexual orientation, your identity, fits in with your conservative politics.”
Yes, because, as we all know, sexual orientation should automatically make you a leftist Democrat.
I have a question for “Between the Lines” too….why is it that they never see a conflict between their support of, say, politicians who push state constitutional amendments, and their sexual orientation?
Massively forgetful Constitutional scholar in #45:
Here ya go girlfriend:
As for my “massive hard-on”, well, that’s between me and my husband, so to speak. 🙂
#54: Thank you Tom for those lyrics. Especially a propos for what my role is around here would appear to be the following part:
Indeed, making liars tell the truth around here could easily be my full-time job!
Wonder Woman, I would pose that same question to Rosie O’Donnell. What’s your point? I could care less, since it was a rhetorical question.
Regards,
Peter H.
#54 – Tom, this clip’s for you.
Regards,
Peter H.
So for all the blathering that is going on here about how only Conservatives are interested in proecting the rights of gays and lesbians to stay in the closet, is that what is going on in Dallas? Is the Conservative Heritage Alliance prtecting Ed Oakley by creating robocalls telling citizens this man is unfit, not because of his political views, but because he was a homo? Now, I realize that Ed was not in the closet, but he wasn’t making a big deal of being gay either. Only the right wing was, and only in a negative way.
Why the silence on this issue? Why no demands that this election be fought solely on the grounds of political ideology and not sexual orientation? If the right wing was truly interested in fairness and equality, they would have ignored the gay issue. But they didn’t, and they can’t.
Is Ian really that stupid, or has he never seen “Wonder Woman” on TV before?
Just asking.
Regards,
Peter H.
Is the Conservative Heritage Alliance prtecting Ed Oakley by creating robocalls telling citizens this man is unfit, not because of his political views, but because he was a homo?
Of course not. They’re being stupid jerks. Heck, even the other candidate who it would benefit blasted it.
And I won’t bring up the fact that, if it’s homophobia you want, you’ll find far more of it in the strongly-Democrat black communities and Hispanic communities in Dallas, which tried to torpedo Ed Oakley’s previous City Council campaigns on numerous occasions because of his sexual orientation, and who savaged Monica Greene, a business owner and Latina who would have been Dallas’s first transgender City Council member.
Now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, why don’t you explain why you and your so-called ‘tolerant” leftist friends are publishing this kid’s address and parents’ address, and then making threats of violence and death against him?
By the way, word to the wise, Jack; we are not bound by your inability to criticize your own. That’s a trait exclusively reserved to brainwashed gay leftists like yourself.
I read the kid was pictured at an anti-gay rally not long ago, holding an anti-gay sign. How messed up does one have to be to do something like that when you are gay yourself?
I feel bad for the kid. What a terrible environment he must have grown up in to be that twisted.
“I feel bad for the kid. What a terrible environment he must have grown up in to be that twisted.”
We think the same way about you, Chase.
Regards,
Peter H.
OK, Dan? Bruce?… What Peter just said it a personal attack. I can now respond in kind.
Peter, you are a pathetic hater who spends hours each day dominating these message boards with opinions that nobody really cares about. Get a life that doesn’t involve sitting behind a computer, spitting out insults all day. Either your life is so vacant and empty that spending hours on here each day fills the void or it gives you some power kick to hurl insults at others behind the safety of your computer screen, free from the fear that they’ll punch you in your face. You post here bi-hourly, every day. I’m surprised you can even find time to eat.
Most people would categorize you as an addict with no life, which makes your persona on here, some tough talking conservative, a bit of a contradiction.
#12 John
From a personal note, though I never made public statements condemning being gay, I have used antigay language when I was a young teen, but by 17 I wisened up fast and apologized for my actions to those I’ve hurt in the past. We’re all held accountable, including Whitney while he was marching with an antigay banner.
However, let me restate again, I don’t hold a grudge against him nor would I throw rotten eggs or tomatoes at him like some radical leftists and rightists would, but some of the actions he did at his age are despicable, and so long as it doesn’t lead to personal harassment, people have a right to be outraged by it. If he completely rejects his previous actions and those of his compatriots, then there’s no bad blood, and he’s invited at my table.
And you think his conservative circle would have clean hands on this matter? Some of the things his compatriots have stated in public are pretty much comparable to some of things the radical left has spewed.
Perhaps he didn’t need to be “outed” to be honest at life, however the life lesson still stands about the silly things he has done.
#21 Leah
Thank you for the comment, but honestly, you’re flattering me too much. 🙂
What community?
Which neither I nor Aaron and Ian have done.
What Peter just said it a personal attack.
Nonsense, Chase.
All Peter said was that he thought the same way about you as you do about Tyler Whitney.
Therefore, the only way in which Peter’s statement could be a personal attack on you is if yours was a personal attack on Tyler Whitney.
Not that this surprises us; it’s typical gay Democrat action, insulting someone else and then whining and crying at how “unfair” and “hateful” it is when someone uses it on them.
Ian said:
Now it doesn’t take a math genius to put two and two together here. In fact, it’s clear that a lot of people must have known that Whitney was gay including all those gay conservatives and libertarians he was going to spend his weekend with.
On the one hand it seems what Ian is proposing is that since he was going to a pride parade and hanging out with gay conservatives and libertarians, obviously that makes Whitney guilty by association. Of course nobody’s ever heard of a straight person going to a gay pride parade.
On the other hand, the post in question also says the following:
It’s my guess, based on those extras that it was probably a joke. Do we even know that this Sylvester was one of the friends he supposedly came out to?
Oh well. Count on the Amazonian dyke to spin the rest of the post as well.
Say Xeno,
but some of the actions he did at his age are despicable, and so long as it doesn’t lead to personal harassment, people have a right to be outraged by it.
Doesn’t he have the right to do what he did just as you have the “right” to be outraged by it?
#70:
You cherry-picked those because three others were clearly not jokes. Furthermore, I strongly doubt that it would be considered a joking matter to imply a conservative like Whitney was gay.
“Most people would categorize you as an addict with no life, which makes your persona on here, some tough talking conservative, a bit of a contradiction.”
And that is what you get for (a) generalizing about someone with whom you have zero personal contact and (b) trying to pigeonhole me the way you libtards do with people who happen to share your sexual preference.
Suffice to say, you are comparing satire and humor with personal attacks. I’ve always said that liberals have no sense of humor. Now you have just gone and proven it.
If you don’t like it, you can just moveon.org off this blog and compare notes with your fellow Kossacks and DemonicUnderwears.
Regards,
Peter H.
#51 rightwingprof
Ummm no, I know a lot more about the YAF and its origins than I would want to.
BTW, any you know what happened to Jason Wetherington after he came out to his friends, family and church? It won’t surprise me that Tyler will end up with a similar outcome.
#71 ThatGayConservative
Of course he had the right to do what he did, I never stated otherwise. It doesn’t make it a good thing on his part though, and I’m sure he realizes it by now.
Like I’ve stated before, I don’t hold a grudge against him. I wish him a happy Pride, and encourage him in participating in the festivities openly. That alone makes a great contribution for his past actions, so there’s no need to fuss about it now.
I heard something very wise once. (paraphrase) Always treat your opponent as a friend, because that will make things so much easier when he eventually sees the light and wishes you could be friends.
I’m not exactly Jesus when it comes to that 😉 but even so, I daresay more gays should have taken that approach to Tyler Whitney.
A more concise version would run thusly: Treat your opponent as a friend, because that will make it easier for him to change his mind.
Actually, isn’t it ‘keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer’?
Anyway apparently he was mainly ‘outed’ by Joe Sylvester of the Conservative Dossier Blog.
You know, I don’t think that I can possibly express in words the absolute rage and bottomless contempt that I have for any of you ****ers who would support this kind of attack on AN EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD. This makes me viciously, viciously angry.
This whole thing really hits me close to home. As somebody who has just been coming out within the last six months, I can’t tell you how much abhorrence I have for these a**holes. I had to take time to work past instilled beliefs that I had. I had to take time to reconcile my Christian faith with my sexuality. It took years, from my self-denial in high school through trying to figure everything out in college.
I have no idea how something like this would have affected me in that process, but I am quite certain of one thing: it would not have had a positive effect, and it would not have helped me come to terms at all.
How can you do this to somebody who had to struggle with the same things you did? HOW CAN YOU DO THIS TO AN EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD??? How can you even begin to defend any part of this. This is not right this is not good. This has no possibility of helping him or any other gay conservative. It’s a scare tactic. It’s crass bullying.
Xeno, Ian S, Jack, you are all heartless b*****ds. Go craw back under your rocks, you bunch of sleazy, uncouth, troglodytic trolls.
I apologize. I’m normally a little more cogent (or I at least try to be). Going back and reading this after calming down a bit, though, I’m not entirely disappointed in myself.
I’m still utterly disgusted by you folks who defend this behavior towards this guy. You and your associates hurt real people. You do not deserve to be debated on this point. Any position which supports or puts up any defense of hurting or trying to hurt an 18-year old this way is flat wrong.
I lost my temper and posted in the heat of that. I should not have. And I apologize to everyone in this thread, including Xeno, Jack and Ian. I normally try to avoid base insults and try to stick to real debate on real points.
My explanation (there’s no excuse) is that it just cut so close to the bone on a few points. I imagined what I would have felt like if this had happened to me, as I have a leadership role.
Ian, Xeno, and Jack, I still hold you in utter contempt for this, but in the future I will try to be, to borrow my own word, a little more “couth” about it. I’m still deeply angered, but I’m not longer in a blind rage.
Again, my apologies to everyone.
I agree with Dennis Miller. He was very left-wing for a long time, then moved out of it and considers himself somewhat right-of-center (though still Independent). He said he’s seen mean Right Wingers and mean Left Wingers, but- in all honesty- he’s seen the meaness on the Left being more prevalant.
#79:
For what? All I’ve questioned is who actually “outed” the guy. There’s considerable evidence that he was “outed” by the conservative blog that first mentioned his going to DC to attend Gay Pride with gay conservatives and libertarians. Not only that but I doubt the blog would have made the comment without it being approved by Whitney who was well along in the coming out process. Furthermore, I have consistently maintained that the guy should be left alone and given some slack.
I’d ask for an apology for you vicious unwarranted attack but I suspect you are incapable of such a thing.
#77 – No Xeno. You obviously missed the point totally.
#81 – “I’d ask for an apology for you vicious unwarranted attack but I suspect you are incapable of such a thing.”
He’s already apologized to you, Wonder Woman. What more do you need, a pound of flesh?
Get over yourself.
Regards,
Peter H.
Ian. I will extend a more specific apology, as it is in order. Going back and reading again, I did, indeed misread you as being harsher than you were, and I am sorry for throwing you in with the other two and for my ascription of your motives. Nobody reads, writes, or thinks absolutely clearly when he’s angry.
That said, I still think that you have been acting as an apologist for the screeching, screaming “outers”, trying to verbally mitigate what they did. They were wrong, period, end of story. If it’s not general knowledge and it’s done without the person’s express permission, it’s outing, period, end of story.
So, now do I get an apology, too, for your assumptions as to my nature? (I’m being slightly facetious here.)
Please tell me, who among you left-wing lunatics in his community (i.e. -where he lives), took the time to sit down with him and talk to discuss with him their perception of hypocrisy about his actions? No one, of course. It’s just far easier to out an 18 year old at the end of the day and call it “good.”
He’s the kid, those who went out of their way to trash talk him are the adults. They could have at least ACTED like adults.
#84:
Yes, you do. I apologize for doubting that you could be capable of apologizing. 😉
As for Whitney, I still think that if anyone “outed” young Tyler it was the conservative blog. But I truly believe the blurb was planned and had the OK from the kid: after all, he was heading to DC to enjoy Pride weekend with conservative and libertarian friends. This was just a way for him to grease the skids so to speak and ease into informing – in a matter of fact manner – his conservative friends who might not have known.
Aaron,
Tyler is very anti war. The links in his profiles are to anti war websites.
Ian S,
You last comment is 100% accurate!
Personally I agree that sexuality is someone’s private buisness. But this kid is not an innocent victume being picked on. When you are part of anti-gay rallies, carry anti-gay picket signs, and support an anti-gay agenda like this specific young conservative you are open game to be called out on your hypocrasy.
Outing is, in my opinion, pretty much a phony issue, cooked up by the rightwingers to maintain the closet and the status quo. any gay person who has so much stuck a toe outsdie of the deepest and darkest closet is a candidate for outing. it goes with the territory. the military does it with DADT, McCarthy did it with his list. It happens all the time to gay people. It goes with the territory. As several people have pointed out, the conservative blog outed the boy first.
I also have a lot of sympathy for the boy. Being 18 years old is synonymous with not being too bright or experienced.
All that being said, I have no sympathy for people who use the closet as their hiding place while they inflict damage on the rest of us. I have no sympathy with conservatives who attack gay people and feel that they deserve less than equal treatment, whether gay or straight, right or left wing.